Seiko SNE569P1 - Solar Perfection or Overpriced Quartz? (vs. Citizen)
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- The watch that made me return to Seiko once more!
A short term review of the pros and cons, and also a comparison with the Citizen World Time GMT!
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It’s a great value at under $400. USD in 05/2022. I have plenty of automatic watches. I also have some Citizen solar quarts watches and they are my daily work watches. They keep great time without having to change a battery every few years and they are extremely reliable. I’m in hvac and they are not babied. I just bought this one and can’t wait to get it on my wrist!
Yes, it's overpriced, but sapphire crystal and true diver certification have to be taken into account as well. It looks way better than the Citizen but that's of course subjective.
That’s true. Thanks for watching 😊
@@jamessher6956 Exactly what do you mean with “not true”? Just because you bought it at a lower price, doesn’t mean the initial msrp was the price you paid. At the price they wanted when they released this watch (when I made the video) the price was, in my opinion, too high. Now, if you bought it for $360 that’s another story and I congratulate you on a great deal 😊
@@backintimewatches sorry for the confusion. I’m going by current prices that range from $360 to $405. I agree with Francisco that it can’t compare to the Citizen in the video as they’re different size and style. I agree the bracelet is crap but I don’t wear bracelets anyway and have at least a half dozen straps already that look great on the watch. It’s really hard to find a diver in this size , very comfortable and great looking. If Citizen made something in this size I would be very interested.
I’m paying $380 Australian dollars for mine which is absolutely insane, about $270 US dollars
Nice review and comparison to the Citizen model. One point of clarification about your comments at 20:46 - just like the Citizen Eco-Drive, the V147 solar movement in the Seiko is powered by any light source, not just the sun. The details on charging times for different light sources are detailed in the manual for the Seiko.
I got mine in Sep 2022 for $370. I love this watch. That bezel is perfection.
The price is very close to what I paid for my Casio Oceanus which is a titanium watch with a fully milled titanium bracelet, Sapphire crystal running a Tough Solar movement with Multiband 6, and World Time for 29 cities. I also own a few Eco Drives and they all have really decent specs for around 300 USD. Seiko seems to be ruffling a few feathers lately 😀
Thanks for watching and you can´t beat Casio when it comes to value :)
This is very overpriced.
The casio oceanus is a spectacular watch. I can't remember where I read this, but the company that seiko contracts out to do their GS finishings is the same company that Casio contracts to for their casework on the Oceanus and MRG line of watches.
@@pibblesnbits I've actually owned three Oceanus pieces and three Grand Seiko pieces and can confirm the Oceanus fit and finish is 95% as good as GS. Where Casio struggles is with the dial and hand finishing, which doesn't quite match Grand Seiko.
It might be a bit overpriced but design wise, you get pretty much perfect proportions... to me, that tips the scale as I won't long for another quartz in the 38mm category for a good while (well, at least for a year :))
Got my SNE571 (copper bezel and dial) for an equivalent of euro 230 / USD 264 recently where I live. Like you said, it's a great piece man.
That is a steal. May I know where are you from? The cheapest in Malaysia is 295usd, it is a banger if I can find a more affordable alternative at your country
I go for the Seiko just for its size, sapphire crustal and drilled lugs. However, I do think it is a bit expensive.
Bought (the SNE575P1) for just 440 € (20% discount in an official shop) I find it a very equilibrated and nice looking watch, although for the MRSP of 550€ I wouldn't have bought it
Iam impressed by the world map still saying Zaire.
I’m a huge Seiko fan but even I have to admit that Seiko doesn’t offer great value in the sub-£500 range anymore. Quartz or automatic. Citizen and Orient, IMHO, offer better value in that price range for quartz and mechanical respectively.
Above £1k Seiko still offers great value, and GS offers unbelievable value.
Thanks for watching 🙏 In my eyes, that’s a true fan. Being able to praise the company they love when praise is deserved, and call them out when needed 👍
The watch is definitely not too expensive. I have a Seiko SPB143 with the 6R35 caliber and it is so inaccurate that it is no longer fun. It cost well over 1000 euros and is garbage. It looks very good, but that's about it. Repair attempt ended in disaster: First it went +10s/day, then again the old story.
I wouldn't compare a mineral glass, 4 month battery life, world time watch with a sapphire glass divers watch with a 10 month battery life. I'm sure it has comparisons, but not this citizen. And also it MAY Appear that both are water resistent to 200 meters, but if it doesn't say 'Divers" it's not tested and approved to go down to 200 meters.
Bought it for $388 on eBay. Happy so far.
Right in the beginning, I have noticed nice quality video done outdoors. The audio is good too. I wonder what gear you used for the outside footage?
I appreciate quartz to, and I'd like to get a nice HAQ watch at some point. No radio reception, no bluetooth, no problem.
If it's any help, I bought the Longines VHP Conquest HAQ and couldn't be happier. For the money, it's good value when compared to a new 9F GS. I recommend it.
@@citizent6999 HEY NOW, that looks like quite an interesting option actually. Thanks very much for the recommendation!
@@vonkruel if you do then check for aligned second hands and look at both sizes - they are fairly close - also look at the GMT HAQ option in the range.
The white dial seems most legible in all lighting and the least likely to date. Note the perpetual calendar and other interesting features. The whole case is very attractive and robust and the case-back is a stunner!
It's really a scientific instrument designed to tell THE exact time.
@@citizent6999 Actually I was thinking a GMT HAQ would check two boxes for my modest collection here. My wrist size is 20cm so I take the larger size when there are options. The Conquest VHP does look like a nice value proposition for sure. +/- 5 sec in a year is about twice as impressive as +/- 10, and the latter is no mean feat. Yes, I noticed the perpetual calendar and that's also an attractive feature to me. Legibility is important to me also (eyes aren't what they used to be), and I've been gravitating toward white dials. I recently received the Phoibos PY032E (white dial DLC dive watch) and I love the high contrast between hands & dial. There's not a ton of selection for HAQ, but 1 attractive watch that really shows what quartz can do -- that'll do it for me. Thanks again for pointing me toward Longines (move over, Grand Seiko).
@@citizent6999 Looking into this a bit more, I came upon the issue of changing out the battery (which is normally simple on a quartz). Do you plan on changing the battery yourself or sending it to Longines? It seems like you _can_ do it if the battery wasn't totally dead, but if it completely died you'd have to reprogram the watch (do instructions exist for that?). I also saw what you meant about the alignment of the seconds hand being something to look for.
Really, are solid end links and milled clasps better? Are they better because the watch world says they are, or do they perform the same? For me those things wouldn’t bother me so long as the watch is comfortable and doesn’t rattle, other than that only I’ll know these things, no one who sees my watch would know, so it’s not a deal breaker for me. Even sapphire is kind of gimmicky to me, but maybe that’s because I’ve never had a problem with mineral crystals. I just wanted to point out that these small details are, well, small, and probably more preference than anything. I would say build quality of this watch is excellent as is. My main concern would be how well the solar cell and battery hold up. I had a Seiko solar dive watch about 15 years ago and it didn’t last long. I just bought this model so I’m really hoping it’ll last longer this go around. The specs and looks are spot on, and the small details i mentioned really aren’t a problem to me, but then again that’s just me.
I have the SNE573, solar perfection for sure. Been waiting a loooooong time for a mid-sized Seiko. It's about time. Great video, great review. And, yes, I agree with some of the comments that it is a bit overpriced. I got lucky and snapped up a used one for $325.00 Don't regret it a bit.
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Thanks for the great review! I agree it looks like a homage to a vintage Rolex/Tudor which I don’t even mind since it’s Seiko. (To be honest I think they knew it would be part of the appeal) It’s £500 in the UK. I absolutely would love this as an everyday watch but I think I would feel angry that I paid that price after purchasing it. £30 more gets you a seiko ‘King Samurai’ with an automatic movement with hand-winding and hacking, ceramic bezel and sapphire crystal.
That’s crazy thinking about that you could get a King Samurai for almost the same kind of money… Thanks for watching 🙏
I just got mine delivered today 😌 it looks great and feels good on the wrist 🤙🏽 thinking of replacing the original hollow bracelet with the one from uncle Seiko
Hi, is uncle seiko offer a bracelet for this particular watch? Or do you buy uncle seiko bracelet for other watch model but it is suited to this watch? Glad if you can share, I would like to change the bracelet when I received mine ariund end of this year
citizen really needs to come out with a mid sized eco drive diver. they can even just make their bn0151 model sub 40mm and that's it. (i know there's a ladies version out there but it's just too small).
btw the seiko looks awesome. but at that price point there is a ton of better options
What about the Citizen Divers Eco Drive Bn0100-? Got one myself with a 6.5 wrist.
They gotta make an update to their BN0000-04h, some updated details but the same size and proportions
@@Televisiontechnology that one ist 41mm right? Just a tad too big I think
@@yuu0minae yes the 41mm version, im wearing on a 6.5inch wrist, though changed the strap to slim single pass nato and fits well.
Somehow they sell it cheaper where I live, only 275 US$ so I bought it with no hesitation.
I just bought this for 356.00 tax in. At that price, this watch is a steal.😉👍🏼
Dude it’s like you saw a top-100-tattoos list and decided to get all of them!
Almost like that 😂
But seriously, I wanted a sleeve made of things I like and think look cool, but not necessarily the same motif all the way. 😊
Thanks for watching man 🙏
Something has to be said about pricing and styling. Not sure if I'm putting into the correct words but the Seiko looks like its price would suggest. Comparing the two to me the Seiko is a better looking what aesthetically by a long shot.
Yes, I agree, it certainly is. But, better looks does not cost more...
Both companys probably have design teams. Both desgin teams spent money designen their respective watch. Now, what me and you find more appealing is quite subjective and should not matter when pricing something.
Thanks for watching :)
Excellent review! Beautiful watch but the price is too much though. The bracelet should at least have solid end links and a milled clasp IMHO.
Totally agree at this price point 👍🏴
You’re totally right, it’s either too expensive or lacking at the price point that it is 🤷♂️ Thanks for watching and commenting 🙏
Great video, man. Thanks.
These look great. Really great. But like other commenters here, I just can't countenance the price. £360-400 and I'd give it a long hard think. £500 is just too keen.
I agree 😊 Thank you for watching and commenting 🙏
Love your reviews! (Also that Citizen music was pretty damn rocking!). Can’t wait for an SKX review. As for price / quality I feel that most value is within current Seiko Presage line (I’m a diver guy, however JDM Presage is such a step up!). Just a tip on how to enjoy Seiko more. Try JDM Presage!
Thank you so much. I’m just doing my best and I’m glad you like it 😊
The watch looks great and the dimensions are perfect but no solid end links or milled clasp for the price is a not great. Nice review. 👍🏽
I totally agree 😊 Thanks for watching and commenting 🙏
Looks like a Tudor SUB !Indeed! LOL good catch.
I don't feel your Seiko & Citizen comparision is "apples to apples." The Citizen specs are 42mm case x 13.3mm thick, is a field watch style, with GMT and international time around the bezel. The Seiko is a "prospex" diver that is 38.5mm case x 10.6mm thick, with a traditional bezel and is dive rated. The Citizen is actually a GMT field watch and the Seiko a smaller, mid-size dive watch. I would not be looking at both of these for the same reason because of the size and style of each. You will typically pay more for a Seiko Prospex watch than similar Citizen. BTW: I own both Citizen Eco-Drive and Seiko Solar watches. I do, however, agree on your price issue. You can get this Seiko, and in other color variations, on Amazon or other sources for under $400.
Just my own opinion but I think you might be better to stick with watches over 42mm. My wrist is 180 and I have a 39mm diver that I always find myself looking at and thinking it’s a couple mm too small, even though beautiful. My 42mm watches I don’t think that of. My 44mm watches I think look a bit too big but still wearable. With the size of your wrist and all the tatts I think you need more wrist presence. Having said that it is a nice looking watch and if you’re happy with it then awesome 👍🏼👍🏼
Nah, I actually like smaller watches now. Not small small, but around 40mm. And it actually all depends on the lug to lug ratio and how the bracelet tapers. A younger version of me would agree with you but I guess we change throughout the years 😊 Thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it 👍
@@backintimewatches I’m getting used to my 39mm. There are no rules. In years gone by watches were much smaller, possibly in the years ahead they will go back to smaller sizes. It’s a nice looking watch.
Way over priced, should be £350 maximum in price!
4k, cool shades, sushi.... sure I subscribe. Need to start buying more quartz watches.
Hehe, thanks man 🙏 Yeah, good choice. We all need some quartz in our lives 👍
A local dealer sells this one new for 439€. I still don't know if it's a good deal. For 530€ he sells a king turtle.
Get the King Turtle. You won’t regret it, I have two of them.
Hard disagree on the price. For a solar diver with saphire, this is worth every penny because at that point its an investment watch that will take anything you throw at it. The Seikos that arent worth the box they come in? Any of the Lux line with the 6r series. Garbage unreliable movement. Yes, everyone knows a guy who knows a guys whos second cousin has one and hasnt had any issues with his, but the overall complaints of the irregularities of that movement are plentiful.
Seiko solar is fine, and old kinetic is fine, anything GS is fine. Don't bother with Seikos lower to mid tier auto's.
Also, if we're talking cost and think ~$500 is expensive, go take a look at Breitlings superquartz offerings and then get back to me.
Then I guess we will have to agree to disagree :)
@@backintimewatches I guess I'm a little lost as to the value metric used. It's an entirely in-house watch, and one that should last a lifetime. The only brand that can come close to offering that level of spec and price is Citizen due to economics of scale.
And let's be honest, anyone that pays msrp on a watch does it on purpose. Most Seiko AD'S offer 20% across the board anyway, even in 2023. Both my Breitlings were bought grey market, knowing full well they were ETA based and an in-house warranty wasn't needed.
Otherwise great review. If this was powered by the 4r movement and cost over $400, or a 6r and cost over $700 than I'd agree with you all the way to the bank. The best value Seiko has is anything not auto, or GS if the pockets are deep enough.
Just looked... $500.. wow. If I was into diver style, wanted solar, I would've just got a Casio MTP-S110-1AVCF for $90. Of course, I'm frugal.
Great looking watch. I collect solar watches. This along with the new Cartier Tank will be joining my collection this year. I’d jump on a Grand Seiko if they put a solar movement in a watch.
I have newer brother of this watch - SNE593P1. I was about to get new Seiko GMT SSK003K1, but for about the similar price apart of Solar, it's Sapphire glass, screw down crown, prospex series logo, and Diver's 200m WR. Solar does not bother me, and thickness 10.7 is fantastic.
Another fantastic entertaining review. I’m down to one Seiko as well for all the reasons you mentioned. I sold my Captain Willard because the 6R35 was losing 90 sec per day. I still have my skx009. I love quartz and especially solar but this video will keep me from buying this diver. Thank you!
$280 in Australia on a black Seiko strap I love it
That's a sweet price!
where is it $280?
Very beautiful and suits you
I don’t understand the whole mechanical thing. Maybe I’m not enough of a enthusiast. But if I can put a watch in a draw for a week I want it to still tell the right time and work.
I really like the look of the Seiko. I've been debating between the Seiko and the Scurfa Diver one. The Seiko just seem a bit overpriced when comparing the two. Still like it though.
Very very different builds. Different movements.
I went with the Tissot seastar 40mm quartz instead of the Seiko.
It's an option 👍
Love the video very honest informative
I found it at Joma for $299 after $20 discount. June 12, 2024. Seiko's list prices are like Invicta. Yes. The sne569. That one.
Great job on the video!
Thank you 😊
I want the bracelet but the black bezel version only comes on the strap. How blue is the bezel on this one, or does it appear more grey or light black in real life?
It´s actually more grey than blue when looking at it in dayligth.
At the grey market price (€350 or so) I think it offers quite good value. Still not Orient/Citizen level probably, but close enough. The looks is perfect though!
440 eur now in several jewelers websitea in Germany. That is acceptable IMHO, top of the list for me now!
@500 it's too much
@350 it's a good offer
Great video! Whatd you do to the bezel on the SKX009 - it looks lighter? I love it!
Du pratade om scratch resistant. Hur känner du inför repor o eventuellt dings på din Rolex Gmt master2?? Har själv en datejust o känns förjävligt med repor o dylikt speciellt med tanke på att datejusten är polerad överallt..
Ska jag vara helt ärligt så är det ju inget man gärna vill ha på din klocka oavsett prisklass 😊 Och särskilt inte dings. Repor är oundvikliga och det kan jag leva med utan problem, men dings är lite värre…
Wrist size is a strange thing; wrist diameter goes a long way compared to circumference .I have a 17cm wrist and my sinn 556i + Casio duro fit great. I’m a 190cm athlete. Pieces with a slim design and good lug to lug fit easily. My 15.5mm high garmin on the other hand…
Those clasps are just terrible for a watch at this price point. The second hand hits just behind the tick marks.
Nice tattoos, where did you get them done?
Thanks man 😊 Most of them are done at Adventureland Tattoo in Höganäs, Sweden. By the owner Daniel Norin 👍
great vid thanx! hey what the difference between the sne 569p1 and sne 589p1? is it solely cosmetic?
I agree! I recently purchased the green one which I returned. I didn't care for the solar cross on the dial and the QC was lacking. I too have now left Seiko, underwhelmed by them. No value left, oh well plenty of other killer brands out there.
Thank you for great review. can you tell me what material of bezel? SS or ceramic?
the issue is : you can find citizen promaster titanium 200M diver watch for...250-300 bucks :/
I respect those citizen watches in their own right, but it makes more sense to pay an extra 200-300 bucks for a much better looking watch
paid 380 usd for my Padi solar just today
it cost exactly 300 usd in my country, i think its a bargain, and the size, its perfect
I like the Seiko and solar is the set it and forget it way to go , but talking value Citizens can’t be beaten . My opinion is they don’t promote some watches enough , their Eco Drive system is faultless and will last 20 years plus .
WHats the lugwidth on the seiko? :)
It’s all in the video my friend 😊
Haha the clasp and the end links at that price xd. Always amazed of the balls of steel on seiko! 600 euro is like 750 dollars tho not a little over 600.
I like ⌚ it!
Is this pretty similar to the SNE591. I’ve been wanting that one but haven’t seen much info on it
Quartz watches have no souls? Haha that a bit dramatic. 😂
It is 😀
How do you know when it’s fully charged??
i can get it for 281 usd brand new, should i pull the trigger??
Write the size of your wrist under the description of the movies;)
Thanks for watching and commenting 😊
But should I do that? The info is always in the video and if I wrote it, then you wouldn’t have to watch the whole video 😊
Citizen is just the way to go if you are looking for value in general, still the seiko looks better.
I got the SNE, it’s a handsome watch but too small.
Ok so it’s a little overpriced but a maintenance free, solar quartz diver makes a lot of sense
Obviously Citizen have the market sewn up in this segment and make some fine divers
However - while they’re excellent they do lack character
Seikos have warmth and charm and if you’re going to buy a quartz watch it might as well be one made by the people who actually invented the technology
I love seiko. But compare this to a yema Pearl diver and the value is just not their. It’s a good looking watch though and you get the name but I’d probably get a Pearl diver.
Not even close aesthetically
A beautiful watch! For $275-$300…
$420.00 usd on EBay. By the way the “beveled “ edge is called a “chamfered” edge.
the degree of angle determines whether it is a chamfered or beveled edge.
Thanks, there’s always room to learn something new 😊
@@cameronkrause4712 chamfered edges are use to ease sharp edges and may or may or may not be polished. Bevels are used for fit or esthetic purposes.
I get dizzy watching you hold that watch. You move in synchronized beat with every syllable you speak. Had to hit the pause button to look at the watch.
Yeah, I’m sorry about that… I will make sure o think about that in future videos. Thank you for watching, commenting and giving me some constructive criticism 👍🙏
Yeps, but the citizen doesn't have the looks...and it is bigger.
The size man... perfect size.. 38.5mm and 46.5 lug to lug..
Nice watch
I disagree. For 600 dollars this is about as perfect a watch can be. Looks like you are really into bracelets
Thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it 🙏 Looks like we’ll have to agree to disagree on that one. I’ve had a bunch of watches on my channel without bracelets, and still didn’t think they were overpriced. This one is though. And judging by the comments, a lot of people feel the same 😊
@@backintimewatches good point. To be fair, I bought the SNE 573 with the rubber strap for $365. Feels like the watch is worth every penny at that price point. 600 is more but values of watches seem so subjective
Can I find the same Citizen but in 38 diameter?
Great looking reliable watch, thinking about picking up its bigger 43.5mm brother
I do think it is over prices but not got $200.00. I think that if the bracelet was better it would be ok. Maybe $ 100 overpriced.
Great info, but the video could be shorter. My 2 cents.
Citizen looks miles better!
That misalignment… why seiko!?
Much cheaper in the USA you can get them for $350
No worries mate, there's ink everywhere
It's just me or the lugs scream Rolex Maxicase?
No, you actually have a point there 😊 Thanks for watching 👍
It’s a nice watch but it’s not worth $600 to me. Having the true diver certification is nice but who is actually gonna go diving with one ? Swimming or snorkeling maybe but Seiko can do better with the bracelet that’s just chintzy, especially nowadays. These major brands to me like Seiko don’t offer the value for money that some of the micro brands now can. Just my opinion.
What micro brand?
Which model watch you are using on start of the video?
Do you mean the G-Shock Casioak Grey?
At 0.12 while you hold your hands behind your head there is a jubilee bracelet watch on your wrist, i meant it
That is $970 Australian why would you pay that much for a Seiko Quartz and it’s not even that accurate and to say that it looks like a tutor really
If only it had a ceramic bezelinsert...
I definitely can see the vintage submariner vibe you're talking about. It's actually a really nice looking watch. I like the size as well, I've been looking for a smaller diver as 42mm divers don't really sit well on my child sized wrists.
Definitely have to agree on the price though. I was thinking $250 would be a fair price for this, but $600? For a China assembled quartz watch? Seiko is smoking crack.
They're 400$ on ebay(brand new), bruv
So I bought the sne569 from a german dealer online. It arrived today. Stunning design, but for the first time I'm really disappointed in the finishing of a Seiko. The sides of the case are brushed unevenly in my example and the finishing of the top/upper edges of the bezel is shockingly bad. It's full of pitting. There were metal particles, dust from the bezel, in the box upon opening it. I was considering sending it back but I suspect they're all like that. Don't know what's going on but someone was sleeping in the factory. The bracelet looks like the mini turtles' and turtles' bracelets but it's a lot lighter. It's seiko 5 quality. I have mixed feelings. I fully agree on sight the watch is amazing, but handling it it's kind of a major disappointment. The finishing of skxes, turtles,... is a lot better. I will keep it but it's the last time I'm buying a Seiko (online) 😬
buy vintage. Look into the 7c43 professional or the 7548 watches. Built really well! Sorry about your experience. Personally, I'd return the watch and see if you can find on in person so that you can inspect it first.
I only own quartz watches. Can't stand the inaccuracy and need to wind mechanical watches.
Thanks for the review. This is a good watch but has some flaws. I hope Seiko takes their solar watches to the next level because battery quartz and solar watches are the only ones I want and sold all my mechanical watches.
Original Seiko Tuna with high end quartz movement is my favorite dive watch.
The Citizen you show is a better watch. I own the Citizen BN0150 Japanese model with the incredible factory sliding clasp stainless strap and it is a better watch than the Seiko you review as well.
looks great, but yea unfortunately a bit overpriced
Nice mid-sized dimensions but overpriced :(