Calling Elizabeth Woodville greedy is disingenuous in the extreme. Having been impoverished as a widow, she would have known the importance of wealth in the survival of herself and her sons. She didn't do anything that the other nobles around her didn't do. She was more a survivor than a greedy woman. If she'd been greedy, she would have submitted to Edward's sexual advances and became his mistress in exchange for worldly endowments, especially as she didn't have the benefit of hindsight and could never have imagined that she, a commoner by birth, would have been fit to be proposed to by a king.
@@idontgiveafaboutyou But still nothing. It's like calling today's workforce "greedy and ambitious" just because they want promotions and payraises to be able to raise their standard of living.
@@aislingyngaio ok but someone like George Duke of Clarence for example wasn't necessarily trying to survive when he plotted against his brother for throne. That's the greediness I am talking about and it's what most people were doing during the Wars of the Roses. Plotting and doing anything to have power for themselves. While some may have done all of those things to survive, others did it because they wanted to. It isn't really bad to be ambitious, which is what I think Elizabeth Woodville was, for better or worse.
No one actually knows for certain. There are bones in Tewkesbury Abbey that may be those of George & his wife Isabel. The problem is that they have been re-interred a couple of times, and there was also a flood in the Abbey. The male bones are of a man about 5'3", the woman about 5'4". George was supposed to have been quite handsome.
We don't know for sure, but I think it's rather unlikely. Edward was indeed illegitimate and his biological father was most likely a tall English archer, rather than the Duke of York. Like the other response also indicates, there's also been some issues surrounding the identification of his bones (though if those are indeed his, than he would've been noticeably shorter than Edward--though to be fair, most people were).
Sorry, but there's no actual evidence that Edward was illegitimate, much less that his "real" father was an archer, the show by Tony Robinson notwithstanding. Read the actual primary sources; there is nothing there at the time.
@@VeracityLH there is. In the French abbey were they were born, they did some calculations and found out Richard, Duke of York, was most likely away on campaign, hence why Edward, the believed first born, had a small christening, but the second born was very celebrated. Why celebrate the second born and not the first? Even Cicily (their mother) said so
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Calling Elizabeth Woodville greedy is disingenuous in the extreme. Having been impoverished as a widow, she would have known the importance of wealth in the survival of herself and her sons. She didn't do anything that the other nobles around her didn't do. She was more a survivor than a greedy woman. If she'd been greedy, she would have submitted to Edward's sexual advances and became his mistress in exchange for worldly endowments, especially as she didn't have the benefit of hindsight and could never have imagined that she, a commoner by birth, would have been fit to be proposed to by a king.
They were all greedy and ambitious in that time
@@idontgiveafaboutyou That's disingenuous too. Some were just trying to survive regime change and not get their bloody heads chopped off.
@@aislingyngaio Yeah but still
@@idontgiveafaboutyou But still nothing. It's like calling today's workforce "greedy and ambitious" just because they want promotions and payraises to be able to raise their standard of living.
@@aislingyngaio ok but someone like George Duke of Clarence for example wasn't necessarily trying to survive when he plotted against his brother for throne. That's the greediness I am talking about and it's what most people were doing during the Wars of the Roses. Plotting and doing anything to have power for themselves. While some may have done all of those things to survive, others did it because they wanted to. It isn't really bad to be ambitious, which is what I think Elizabeth Woodville was, for better or worse.
What did george duke of Clarence look like? Was he big and tall like Edward?
No one actually knows for certain. There are bones in Tewkesbury Abbey that may be those of George & his wife Isabel. The problem is that they have been re-interred a couple of times, and there was also a flood in the Abbey. The male bones are of a man about 5'3", the woman about 5'4". George was supposed to have been quite handsome.
We don't know for sure, but I think it's rather unlikely. Edward was indeed illegitimate and his biological father was most likely a tall English archer, rather than the Duke of York. Like the other response also indicates, there's also been some issues surrounding the identification of his bones (though if those are indeed his, than he would've been noticeably shorter than Edward--though to be fair, most people were).
Sorry, but there's no actual evidence that Edward was illegitimate, much less that his "real" father was an archer, the show by Tony Robinson notwithstanding. Read the actual primary sources; there is nothing there at the time.
@@VeracityLH there is. In the French abbey were they were born, they did some calculations and found out Richard, Duke of York, was most likely away on campaign, hence why Edward, the believed first born, had a small christening, but the second born was very celebrated. Why celebrate the second born and not the first? Even Cicily (their mother) said so