But on the positive side, it will prevent some amount of increasing their numbers due to their couples that can't conceive without the help of science.
I hear what you're saying, but where do you draw the line? A secular group feeding the homeless issues a statement explaining why the GOP would be bad for them? Tough call.
If they really believed their BS about the sanctity of life they’d refuse to fight in wars. They’d refuse to buy and own guns. They’d oppose the death penalty. They don’t. Hypocrites.
It's really shocking that an extreme view would come out of the Southern Baptist Convention, which has had declining membership and church attendance for 17 consecutive years.
Of course not. Once baby is born, Southern Baptists won’t help its survivability, health, or well being. Pro-Life is just Anti-abortion & nothing else!
The pro-life movement is nothing more than selfish virtue-signaling. Showing off to impress each other, or to score brownie points to 'get to Heaven'. Either way, it's for themselves, not to 'save babies'.
And each organization(smaller church members) should lose tax exempt status when SB ministers start telling congregations how vote in public elections after this organization's vote.
I agree with you. However, only JESUS can save a soul if the person owning the soul comes to JESUS willingly and privately. I hate it when supposed Christians come up to me in a mall or store and asked me if I am saved. I don't want to be rude but I asked JESUS into my heart years ago so I don't need your pamphlet or intrusive questions about my personal spiritual relationship with GOD. Christians need to stay in their own lanes.
He said "Alabama's supreme court decision.... Sometimes "awakens" the church" So.... You went "woke"? They have no sense of irony or hypocrisy or shame
Is this not a good thing for democracy? Trump will be forced to adopt this position to keep the Christian nationalists onside, even though this is bound to be a vote loser among the majority of Americans!
I'm afraid the Christian nationalists who already worship Donald Trump will not desert him because he decides abortion is okay, and Donald knows that. They believe their god has anointed him and the anointed one can do whatever he wants to.
I just love the fact that Mika and Joe actually call each other by there names and have real conversations on air that transcends the normal media talking heads that can get a little repetative. This is refreshing to witness and also brings hope to a real life married couple on air that can actually treat each other with dignity, equality and respect. Bravo to the both of you.
They oppose it for their church members. Essentially a Club policy. As long as they don’t seek to make it the rule of law for all Americans, those club members are not prohibited by law. They are allowed to relinquish their membership and seek out other Christian clubs.
I have had to say more times than I'd care to, "I don't dismiss anyone's beliefs. What I dismiss is the arrogant, conceited, and delusion opinion that anyone else's beliefs apply to me too."
Asking again for a comprehensive explanation of why churches continue to enjoy tax-exempt status in the U.S. The policy makes as much sense to me as lifetime appointments to the Supreme Court of the U.S.
"Aristotle wrote on this" Oh, what did he say? "Aristotle considered the embryo to gain a human soul at 40 days if male and 90 days if female; before that, it had vegetable and animal souls." So....not a board certified obstetrician?
When I was young I visited one of those southern baptist churches. It was the worst church experience I have ever had. The preacher and friends were the devil. Maga follows that same path.
Protestant denominations never worshiped mary, it has always been the catholic church that believed mary could expedite prayer to god. Southern baptists on the other hand, have always believed a womans place is to serve men and reproduce their offspring.
They've been going strong at it since the beginning of the Doctrine of Discovery in 1455 when the Pope told the Portuguese to go do as they may whenever they sailed and found non white European christians.
@@alcrow1458Yes, it says that in several places... Life begins at first breath. As it was in the beginning. Genesis 2:7 Then ADONAI, God, formed a person [Hebrew: adam] from the dust of the ground [Hebrew: adamah] and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, so that he became a living being. New International Version 7 Then the Lord God formed a man[a] from the dustof the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. New King James Version 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. Oh , and to add. Harming a pregnant woman causing a miscarriage, it's a fine.. That shows you in the womb was not life in that sense of taking air...
If Jesus came back and said they were wrong they woule absolutely argue with him. The words they can put in his mouth are more important to them than what he actually said.
hmmmm....so an embryo is life worth honoring but women with problem pregnancies, humans living on death row or in decades of solitary confinement, civilians (not to mention soldiers) living in "enemy" territory......those lives are NOT worthy of honor and protection. This smacks of hypocrisy but, sure, explain and justify it in a way I can understand.
The push this claim that we are a Christian nation...is difficult at best. There are so many places where it is documented that we claim no specific religion as a nation. The people that traveled here were leaving countries that had state authorized religions so they could practice thier own religion. Not all religions that claim christ are the same. Wars have been fought over this issue. Just type in "factions of Christianity" in your search bar and tell me who's God are we going to choose? Everyone assumes it will be theirs. They need to think things through a little bit. Have we already forgotten that the election of the Catholic JFK was a shock to the system. There are at least 4 Lutheran synods, 3 versions of Catholics that I know of. The list of "Christian" faiths is long and varied and they will not all agree on the same things.
I fully understand religious people wanting to have a conversation about the morality of reproductive rights. Here's the thing though. This is America. The Bible isn't the law. So believe what you want and do what you want in your own life, but don't try to legislate your beliefs against the rest of us.
The thing is, that i am not a member of the Southern Baptist Church or even religiousat all. And the problem is that this is shaping our politics...go right ahead....people will increasingly abandon churches!
The SBC is not condemning IVF. They ask that Southern Baptists don’t support the fertilization of an unnecessary amount of embryos that become unused and eventually thrown in the trash heap.
I'm going to say the hard and honest truth. I am from a Southern Baptist family. I was growing up in the 1970's and heard nothing about abortion at church. I did hear a lot about segregation and skirt lengths. That changed with Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority. Skirt lengths were still a big topic but now segregation was replaced by abortion but everyone understood it was code. Falwell had run a segregation academy and was running what was effectively a segregation university. It simply was no longer acceptable, nationally to talk about segregation in public.
Donald Trump support IVF. If they vote for him, then they accept IVF too! Trumps actually quite supportive of abortion. He's stated it many times over many years. I love that they be forced to vote for Trump knowing these facts, which makes them supporters of abortion too.
Trump doesn’t support abortion. Why do you think he appointed Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, & Barrett? But he needs more women votes to win in November. After he’s elected, he’ll ban IVF!
Dumpty von Shitzinpants cares about nothing but himself. He will pretend to be in favor or against anything, depending on his audience. Make no mistake, he has no belief or political position except what he sees as benefiting him at any given moment.
I personally know of many Baptist couples for whom this idea went right out the window once THEY were having a hard time getting pregnant. Like a lot of things to the religious right, it's forbidden for everybody else right up until they realize it's something they might need themselves.
Good. All this does is make evangelicals look more extreme. You know who most of them vote for, right? And to think that in 1971, they passed a resolution in favor of abortion in some cases.
Remove their tax exempt status….separate church and government. Vote Blue 💙💙💙
13 million Christofascists are going to tell 317 million Americans how they should live? No.
They already are in Texas Idaho Florida Louisiana Tennessee Etc etc all thanks to trump and his pet SCOTUS judges
Why not. Communist blue and the incompetent fascist briben are trying to
But on the positive side, it will prevent some amount of increasing their numbers due to their couples that can't conceive without the help of science.
Religion is poison
Exactly
Church issues political viewpoints? Church loses tax advantages of the organization. Simple and effective.
@@sergeant_salty🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The SBC is a Political organization, not a religious organization.
I hear what you're saying, but where do you draw the line? A secular group feeding the homeless issues a statement explaining why the GOP would be bad for them? Tough call.
@sergeant_salty Here's an idea, give an example with the full speech.
Worked on the Mormon church
Southern Baptists need to start paying taxes.
So does the Bribens
@@Americasinertia womp womp
@@mile_high_topher😅😅. Cannibal supporters are funny
@@Americasinertia "Not paying taxes makes me smart." --- DonaIdTrump 2016
@@AmericasinertiaYawn off topic
They're free to follow whatever ideology they choose. Not a good idea to push their archaic and dangerous views on the rest of us.
Beware the American Taliban!
95% of Republicans are going to re-elected. They don't care how it is dangerous.
I'm sickened by these extremists!! They are beyond ignorant.
I say that about the cheating cannibal supporters
@@Americasinertia Everyone rolls their eyes when they read your gibberish.
@@mile_high_topherlike when criminal 46 speaks
@@Americasinertia You're still less articulate than Biden LOL
@@Americasinertiayou will make a great lot lizard
If they really believed their BS about the sanctity of life they’d refuse to fight in wars. They’d refuse to buy and own guns. They’d oppose the death penalty. They don’t. Hypocrites.
Or support sustaining the life of wemen generally.
They would also better advocate for support to kids and families but they don't.
There are millions in the denomination, many are consistent in this way and do real work in real life to try to spread that message among Baptists
Proud of you Joe! You didn't change. They did. You're doing the right thing.
Hypocrites
In the NT, the ONLY group Jesus threw down on was the hypocrites.
Republicans just straight up don't care about the establishment clause, huh?
They feel entitled to RULE over the majority of Americans, against their will, by any means necessary.
Now you’re getting it.
White Conservative Evangelical "Christians" never have
They have no reason to.
They have been allied with Evangelicals and Democrats barely say a thing.
@@uponcripplecreek1 how so?
It's really shocking that an extreme view would come out of the Southern Baptist Convention, which has had declining membership and church attendance for 17 consecutive years.
Don, Religion is outdated and is replaced by social media and suicide!!!! Great!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂
You drive away all the rational members of your church and you are left with a core of crazies.
Religion is going the way of the dodo
@@Muttinchopsforever
"Religion" will result in all of us going the way of the dodo.
@@harveywabbit9541 not if we don't let it
Another story of a religion deciding to become even more irrelevant 😂
Yes exactly. But when a group like this is losing the argument they get even more extreme.
@@charlesmartin1121 they aren't known as "Talibornagains" for nothing.
@@garyhoover9983 Took me a moment. Haha.
Another example of religion losing relevance so to counter they demand more privilege and more power. NO, they must and will lose.
@@garyhoover9983 The unhinged ravings of you people are humiliating 😂
Welcome to the American Taliban.
As to why I call them Talibangelists!!
@@Swnsasy Great! "Talibangelicals"
@@footbru Heeey, I like that one!! I'm stealing 🤭
@@Swnsasy I got it off someone else. I liked it so much, I bought the company.
Horseless carriages not mentioned in the Bible or the Constitution. Just sayin......
these people are crazy
This is not pro-life!!!!
If you believe an embryo is the same thing as a a baby (it isnt) you would have to be against IVF. Believing stupid things has consequences
"Pro-life" was never pro-life.
Of course not. Once baby is born, Southern Baptists won’t help its survivability, health, or well being. Pro-Life is just Anti-abortion & nothing else!
The pro-life movement is nothing more than selfish virtue-signaling. Showing off to impress each other, or to score brownie points to 'get to Heaven'. Either way, it's for themselves, not to 'save babies'.
@@mile_high_topher 💯
It is not for the church or government to have the right to tell you what to do. We are becoming third world country....disgusting.
And each organization(smaller church members) should lose tax exempt status when SB ministers start telling congregations how vote in public elections after this organization's vote.
We are a 3rd world country with nukes
Southern?? Same Guys
OK with Slavery ???
That’s exactly why the sbc was founded. Google it.
Slavery is sanctioned in the Bible…. Sky daddy loves slaves
Unlike Abortion, Slavery is fully endorsed by the god of the Bible. How anyone believes anything in that evil fairytale is embarrassing.
Hey, they apologized for slavery.......
......in 1995.
@@soonerwhirle 🤣🤣🤣🤣
NEVER reward a Republican with your vote.
Christian consciousness has no place in civil or criminal law.
Or the 21st century
Shouldn’t Christians be trying to save souls rather than bossing people around.
Amen
I agree with you. However, only JESUS can save a soul if the person owning the soul comes to JESUS willingly and privately. I hate it when supposed Christians come up to me in a mall or store and asked me if I am saved. I don't want to be rude but I asked JESUS into my heart years ago so I don't need your pamphlet or intrusive questions about my personal spiritual relationship with GOD. Christians need to stay in their own lanes.
They'd have to read their guidebook to save souls
Have they checked what their Golden Idol MAGA God dementia Donnie thinks about this?
Is he allowed to answer in Stalin Bribens America? He is American
@@Americasinertia Trump never stops talking. What are you rambling about?
@@Americasinertiayou will make a great lot lizard
"Dementia Donnie" - love it!!! Pass it around!!!
Don’t they also oppose toilet paper?
Under his eye
The Southern Baptist Hypocrite Convention
He said "Alabama's supreme court decision.... Sometimes "awakens" the church"
So....
You went "woke"?
They have no sense of irony or hypocrisy or shame
Hahaha and they wonder why people leave the church
Is this not a good thing for democracy? Trump will be forced to adopt this position to keep the Christian nationalists onside, even though this is bound to be a vote loser among the majority of Americans!
You're assuming America is sane and rational.
I'm afraid the Christian nationalists who already worship Donald Trump will not desert him because he decides abortion is okay, and Donald knows that. They believe their god has anointed him and the anointed one can do whatever he wants to.
Watch the movie Conqureing Worm with Vincent Price what the damage religious zealots can do. Take this serious! 😢😢
Are we sure they qualify for tax advantages?
Joe is right. This is not Jesus’s issue; it is the issue of Christian’s who are making God and Jesus over into their own human liking.
As always, since humans created the first gods.
As it always has been with every religion. News flash, it’s all fairytales written by men.
That is god, made in man's likeness
I just love the fact that Mika and Joe actually call each other by there names and have real conversations on air that transcends the normal media talking heads that can get a little repetative. This is refreshing to witness and also brings hope to a real life married couple on air that can actually treat each other with dignity, equality and respect. Bravo to the both of you.
I was raised southern Baptist. Thankfully I escaped from that traitorous cult.
Ditto
if they are against it then they should not use them.... case closed...
the American Jihad
I left the Baptist Church when they supported Trump. Now, thanks to this vote, I'll never go back.
I left in the late 70's due to it becoming political..my best friend said that whom I not seen in 40 plus years ..I feel the same ..😮
They oppose it for their church members. Essentially a Club policy. As long as they don’t seek to make it the rule of law for all Americans, those club members are not prohibited by law. They are allowed to relinquish their membership and seek out other Christian clubs.
Did you listen to the report? They said this is explicitly POLITICAL and they should lobby congress. Please catch up.
Kinda late, Alabama already banned IVF because of their religious views.
... and they are relinquishing their membership ...
I have had to say more times than I'd care to, "I don't dismiss anyone's beliefs. What I dismiss is the arrogant, conceited, and delusion opinion that anyone else's beliefs apply to me too."
I was Catholic until I reached the age of reason. -- George Carlin
Ditto...also was republican till I got educated ..😮
The rest of us think this group has no ethics.
Hello from the UK. Why are those who are so pro-life also so pro-death penalty?
“If you’re pre-born, you’ve got all the rights in the world. If you’re pre-school, you’re fu**ed!”
George Carlin
'Mericans. You know.
@@maryseflore7028 Xtians, you know.
Just watch their membership drop.
For the love of God, Southern Baptists - leave politics out of religion, and religion out of politics. Amen 🙏🏽
Religion poisons everything!
Go Joe! Fight the lie!
Monumental ignorance and intolerance.
Baptist Church bringing in politics. Need to have tax exempt taken away. Now.
SB = BS
Just one more reason I left the Baptist Church.
These people reject science except when they need science to save their sorry butts.
Asking again for a comprehensive explanation of why churches continue to enjoy tax-exempt status in the U.S. The policy makes as much sense to me as lifetime appointments to the Supreme Court of the U.S.
Freedom of religion! But only the religion of the crazy people!
A church has the audacity to act like it's a political entity and it's being allowed to??? Absolutely not. Tax them.
If they want the government to respect human dignity, they should start doing the same. Until then they need to shut up.
"Aristotle wrote on this" Oh, what did he say?
"Aristotle considered the embryo to gain a human soul at 40 days if male and 90 days if female; before that, it had vegetable and animal souls."
So....not a board certified obstetrician?
Don’t talk about Christian ethics. Time to pay taxes if you’re denying hard working taxpayers their autonomy. Enough!
When I was young I visited one of those southern baptist churches. It was the worst church experience I have ever had. The preacher and friends were the devil. Maga follows that same path.
Just another reason to stay away from organized religion of all kinds.
Ahh yes the people formally known as child predators. Telling us how we should act
Protestant denominations have removed the worship of Mary from their church. Why should I expect them to honour women in this world.
Protestant denominations never worshiped mary, it has always been the catholic church that believed mary could expedite prayer to god. Southern baptists on the other hand, have always believed a womans place is to serve men and reproduce their offspring.
Mary is a fairytale too you know. Grow up.
This has nothing to do with God or the teachings of Jesus Christ and everything to do with control!!!!
They've been going strong at it since the beginning of the Doctrine of Discovery in 1455 when the Pope told the Portuguese to go do as they may whenever they sailed and found non white European christians.
Insane. The Bible teaches that life begins at the breath of life.
Does it?
That's right!
@@alcrow1458Yes, it says that in several places...
Life begins at first breath. As it was in the beginning.
Genesis 2:7
Then ADONAI, God, formed a person [Hebrew: adam] from the dust of the ground [Hebrew: adamah] and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, so that he became a living being.
New International Version
7 Then the Lord God formed a man[a] from the dustof the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
New King James Version
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
Oh , and to add. Harming a pregnant woman causing a miscarriage, it's a fine.. That shows you in the womb was not life in that sense of taking air...
Yes it does.
The Bible never had anything to do with it.
Just when Southern Bapists can't get more superstitious. Keep your beliefs in your home and church. NO WHERE ELSE
And they wonder why people leave their churches.
Vote ? LOL
And what right do they have to get involved in politics?
"A new Command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you." Jesus
Alabama: leading the way back to the 12th century.
When religions dictate policy to he followed, by definition they are cults. That's America, listen to AM radio 😂😂😂
if the Chruch wants to play in the both politics and business realms then lets have them also participate in the Taxation process...
Good ol Baptists. Always right with the times. Very cutting edge. Those cats are really "with it".
If given the the choice to save a toddler or a dewer of hundreds or thousands of embryos NOONE would argue to save the embryos.
Why do you believe that the fetus and embryo have the right to take an organ when no other person has that right?
@@ronaldking1054 What are talking about? You must be responding to someone else.
They don't want to use it that is their choice - but don't try and force anyone else to follow your backward and ignorant religious view.
If we have to follow a sky wizard, I choose Yoda.
Why now ????????
Project 2025 is revving up. Smdh
Outlaw Religion in America.
That’s the dream.
If Jesus came back and said they were wrong they woule absolutely argue with him. The words they can put in his mouth are more important to them than what he actually said.
They’d insist he’s not Jesus and crucify him.
Many on the religious right should not reproduce at all.
Keep your religions at home and at your temples, please.
Stay out of our secular governments and our secular institutions. This is not a theocracy.
hmmmm....so an embryo is life worth honoring but women with problem pregnancies, humans living on death row or in decades of solitary confinement, civilians (not to mention soldiers) living in "enemy" territory......those lives are NOT worthy of honor and protection. This smacks of hypocrisy but, sure, explain and justify it in a way I can understand.
Against IVF? I bet they’re also against surrogacy but isn’t surrogacy the whole start of their religion? 😂
The push this claim that we are a Christian nation...is difficult at best. There are so many places where it is documented that we claim no specific religion as a nation. The people that traveled here were leaving countries that had state authorized religions so they could practice thier own religion.
Not all religions that claim christ are the same. Wars have been fought over this issue.
Just type in "factions of Christianity" in your search bar and tell me who's God are we going to choose?
Everyone assumes it will be theirs.
They need to think things through a little bit.
Have we already forgotten that the election of the Catholic JFK was a shock to the system.
There are at least 4 Lutheran synods, 3 versions of Catholics that I know of. The list of "Christian" faiths is long and varied and they will not all agree on the same things.
I fully understand religious people wanting to have a conversation about the morality of reproductive rights.
Here's the thing though. This is America. The Bible isn't the law. So believe what you want and do what you want in your own life, but don't try to legislate your beliefs against the rest of us.
Imagine trying to prove this gibberish omg HAHAHAHA
The thing is, that i am not a member of the Southern Baptist Church or even religiousat all. And the problem is that this is shaping our politics...go right ahead....people will increasingly abandon churches!
And they say they are "pro life" ... ?
The SBC is not condemning IVF. They ask that Southern Baptists don’t support the fertilization of an unnecessary amount of embryos that become unused and eventually thrown in the trash heap.
Protection to religion is protection to the cult's who abuse it? 😊
They make god in their own image.
And what a “Dorian Gray” image it is!
I'm going to say the hard and honest truth.
I am from a Southern Baptist family. I was growing up in the 1970's and heard nothing about abortion at church. I did hear a lot about segregation and skirt lengths. That changed with Jerry Falwell's Moral Majority. Skirt lengths were still a big topic but now segregation was replaced by abortion but everyone understood it was code. Falwell had run a segregation academy and was running what was effectively a segregation university. It simply was no longer acceptable, nationally to talk about segregation in public.
Donald Trump support IVF. If they vote for him, then they accept IVF too! Trumps actually quite supportive of abortion. He's stated it many times over many years. I love that they be forced to vote for Trump knowing these facts, which makes them supporters of abortion too.
Donald Trump is supportive of abortion for all the women he's knocked up over the years.
Trump doesn’t support abortion. Why do you think he appointed Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, & Barrett? But he needs more women votes to win in November. After he’s elected, he’ll ban IVF!
Donald Trump put three Justices the SCOTUS that are responsible for the fall of Roe VS Stop lying
At this point Donald could support child sacrifice and his cult would still support him because they believe the fate of the Earth lies with Trump.
Dumpty von Shitzinpants cares about nothing but himself. He will pretend to be in favor or against anything, depending on his audience. Make no mistake, he has no belief or political position except what he sees as benefiting him at any given moment.
I don't understand how so many people can actually believe in this god crap.
Lets see how fast they reverse their position
States where BOTH Senators voted AGAINST both the IVF Protection Bill AND against the Contraception Protection Bill.
Arkansas: Boozman (R-AR), Cotton (R-AR) ; Florida: Rubio (R-FL), Scott (R-FL) ; Idaho: Crapo (R-ID), Risch (R-ID) ; Iowa: Ernst (R-IA), Grassley (R-IA) ; Kentucky: McConnell (R-KY), Paul (R-KY) ; Mississippi: Hyde-Smith (R-MS), Wicker (R-MS) ; Nebraska: Fischer (R-NE), Ricketts (R-NE) ; No Carolina: Budd (R-NC), Tillis (R-NC) ; No Dakota: Cramer (R-ND), Hoeven (R-ND) ; Oklahoma: Lankford (R-OK), Mullin (R-OK) ; So Dakota: Rounds (R-SD), Thune (R-SD) ; Texas: Cornyn (R-TX), Cruz (R-TX) ; Wyoming: Barrasso (R-WY), Lummis (R-WY). Source: U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes
Isn’t this the same church that split over the LBGTQ issues?
I personally know of many Baptist couples for whom this idea went right out the window once THEY were having a hard time getting pregnant. Like a lot of things to the religious right, it's forbidden for everybody else right up until they realize it's something they might need themselves.
How does a person live with a mind divided between the 21st century and the 1st? It must be danaging
Why now?
They believe EVEN war is a sin 😂
Yes Joe it is
Good. All this does is make evangelicals look more extreme. You know who most of them vote for, right? And to think that in 1971, they passed a resolution in favor of abortion in some cases.
"Religion poisons everything" (Hitchens).