Was Palpatine a Misunderstood Hero of the Galaxy? [Yuuzhan Vong Theory]
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
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Palpatine was the Hero of his own Story and the Villain of everybody else's.
Palpatine didn't care about being a hero or a villain, just about being in power.
@@cioplasmmajic8327 I thought he only cares about being the Senate
@@isaackim7675 and Darth kitten, cuz he has cute toe beans
@@pathevermore3683 cease and repent
@@pathevermore3683 I’m with @Jonathan Wells on this one
Palpatine is my favorite villian in all of fiction. Everything he did, from the murder of his family to lying to Anakin to pull him closer to his side, was all for his own gain. I love him as a character but come on, he would watch everyone in the universe die if it meant getting more power and control. His evil had no limits. A lesson many learned far too late...
On top of that, everything he did served some sort of purpose and wasn't done just because he's evil
I still prefer dio brando
"UNLIMITED POWER!!!" -Imperator Palaceman
@@andrewmeyer3599 not everything mate, torturing Luke didn’t accomplish anything unless you argue that he was summoning dark side energy for the encounter, but why would he? He was arrogantly daring him to kill him I don’t think he was worried about having to fight, he had Vader. So, he was being evil for evils sake.
I just like that they didn't do the whole "He's evil but he turns good in the end" bs with him. Wayyyyy too much of that these days.
In his hubris the emperor probably thought he could dominate the Vong and use them as living weapons like the empire did with the Nohgri.
If I remember right, Palpatine did see the Vong as a legitimate threat after his encounter with the Chiss Ascendancy
@@andrewmeyer3599 I haven't read that book, but on the other hand Palpy's Ego is as big as the galaxy.
@@Ptaaruonn I don't know, he dealt with his master carefully instead of just taking him straight on
@@luck_adiante That is true, yeah, he is not stupid, but he has a huge ego.
You really should do a longer video going over the Yuuzhang Vong war, going over its prelude, the war itself, and its aftermath.
He should do what the empire would be like under the rule of Plagueis.
Like if Plagueis woke up & killed Palpatine & somehow created the empire. Or if he was magically resurrected after revenge of the sith & was installed in Palpatine place.
Would he create a more advanced efficient empire?
@@SlashinatorZ Unfortunately, we don't really do hypothetical-scenario videos! But, we may do a long video on the Yuuzhang Vong war in the future! Stay tuned :)
I suggest reading the novels, they are great
I need a video like that in my life
@@SlashinatorZ The evidence is there to say that he did, his essence could reside in Palpatine.
Sidious might’ve known about the vong but I highly doubt he built the empire for the sake of protecting the galaxy. If anything he probably considered them a huge threat to his power alone. Even more so before the rebellion grew stronger.
Wow, you just commented exactly what the video says. Congrats.
I don't totally agree.
I think he genuinely cares in a twisted and evil way.
The Sith are Darwinists; only the strong deserve to survive in his view.
Anyone weak is expendable And they would never survive the Vong anyway
His evil behaviour is why Bail is justified.
However.
It would have been far better for Bail to TAKE HIS PLACE.
Not destroy the Empire.
Let’s be honest here, if the Vong never existed in the first place, Sidious would still have gone through with his plan anyway. At best, the Vong would have just served as a convenient excuse for his actions.
Empire looks cooler than all other factions. Thus, the Emperor did nothing wrong.
Hahaha
I always thought the nazis looked cool.
Hugo Boss designed some bad ass uniforms in the 1930s
Just to clarify... I don't think the nazis were cool. They just looked damn good as they screwed Europe in the A
*PALPETEIN JUST NEEDS A HUG*
*-Darth Vader*
It's possible maul was the one who first told darth sidious/palpatine about the yuuzhan vong since he encountered and killed one while on a mission to the prison cog hive seven in the (legends) novel maul: lockdown.
Although palpatine could have learned about them beforehand.
Tarkin had encountered them also.
@@adfdasdfadfadsfareae when?
@@adfdasdfadfadsfareae Oh? Which book? Where was this? I love learning new things.
@@adfdasdfadfadsfareae was it not thrawn?
Pretty sure Anakin had also encountered a Vong scout during the Clone Wars in Legends
Palpatine was created by writers as just the embodiment of pure evil.
Like Morgoth from the Lord of the Rings.
@@msmith1890 More like Sauron, Abeloth makes more sense as Morgoth
George Lucas pretty much says that was his thinking.
Eh he started off as a corrupt politician who’s just the face of the power while the military aka the moffs would be the power behind the throne
Clearly Geetsly is a rebel sympathizer. Just remember if you join the rebellion you’re not starting on THE HIGH GROUND
The only way sidious would care about saving the galaxy would be for his own benefit
“I will not rule a Empire of Corpses!”- Darth Sidious to Darth Vader when he caused to high of causalities on a mission
@@mysteryjunkie9808well the only reason he said that was because he wouldn’t have anyone to oppress and cruelly rule over if everyone was dead.
I never doubted Sidious knew about the Yuuzhan Vongs. The Chiss made contact with them before the Clone Wars and Thrawn was aware of the threat. But one thing is certain a Galactic Empire in peak of the power led by Dark Empire Palpatine would beat the Vongs.
Imagine what Eclipse SSD's, World Devestators, etc would do to the Vong. They'd be wiped out in a few months.
Imagine if thrawns campaign was successful after the civil war and the vong faced thrawns empire
@@thelordofcringe Days, literarly days, less than a week. The Vong wouldn't be able to establish a foothold in the Galaxy. But that's of course when we are talking about hypothetical peak Empire had it won Endor, never splintered and gained Byss' technology, world devastators, Galaxy Gun etc. The actual peak Empire, so c. 0-4BBY woukd have stomoed the Vong as well obviously but maybe not so easily at first.
The thing is, the Vong would have always been beaten. They were a far smaller faction than any significant galactic power. The only reason why they managed to do such mess was because the Galaxy wasn't prepared to fight another major war merely 6 years after a treaty with the Empire that ended a decades long most devastating war of all. Even then, the New Republic could have beaten the YV early on had they responded with an immediate counterattack. But the leadership and bureaucrats on Coruscant dismissed the invasion as a local outer-rim threat.
"I love the republic. I love democracy..." - Emperor Palpatine.
Disney about the Vong: "We do not do that here."
Palpatine was one of the pure evil Sith out there. Everything he ever did was in his own self-interest.
However, an interesting topic is looking at others in Empire, like Thrawn who actually believed this was the best approach to stopping the Vong. He speaks to people in both Canon and Legends who point out all the evil and oppression, and tells them that there is an even greater threat and evil out there and he believes the Empire has the best chance to stop it, which is why he fights for it, he sees it as the lesser of two evils. Would we consider Thrawn evil because of all this? It is quite the question of debate. Palpatine was absolutely evil, so there is no debate to be had, he was never a hero, but characters like Thrawn, or as you pointed out, Raven, are a lot harder to determine and are much more debatable. I think either of them or similar characters would be a cool idea for a video topic later.
Also, this is you're 996 video Geetsly, and at your rate of 4 videos a week, that means that this time next week you'll hit 1000. I can't wait for that. :)
I think many folk, due to Thrawn being such a popular character (heck, I like em too!), are perhaps giving Thrawn a bit too much benefit of the doubt. Thrawn is very morally gray, however, despite him doing a fair few good things for his own reasons during his life, he still did a lot of evil things too. While he didn't do it out of malice, I want to mention that his intent hardly matters when consequences are as they are. Thrawns personal motivations and intent are interesting, but do they excuse what he did? Thrawn also ultimately always had his spots where he had no clue or little clue to what was going on. He was a tactician, not a people person. A military man, not one who is there to talk and look out for people. He thought of the world though the lens of battles, conflicts, and tactical maneuvers. Whatever benefited the battle he was waging currently is the path he would take. If the situation calls for calm, he will be calm. If it calls for bloodshed, then there will be bloodshed. It's best to remember to think of what Thrawn looked like to an average citizen of the Galaxy far far away...a guy who could seemingly turn his table completely at the drop of a hat: One moment offering you amnesty, while the other ready to blast your planet to dust if it served a larger tactical goal in his battle plan, where the benefit of your planet being kept as it is gets shadowed by the benefits of it being destroyed. Most likely, in such a situation, Thrawn would take the useful pieces of the planet, and sacrifice what are not useful for a bigger payout later. Even if his tactical judgement is sound, this sort of policy system still isn't very people friendly. Though, it is entertaining to see play out as a far removed reader.
@@videocrowsnest5251 Now to be fair, I think intent should be considered, as there were a lot of good people who did fight for the Empire, like Gilad Paleon. He seemed like a good dude, despite working for the Empire and doing some bad things. I wouldn't say he was evil. Not everyone in the Empire was evil, just like not everyone in the Rebellion was good. Both sides had people fighting for good nobel reasons and people fighting for evil selfish reasons, Palpatine being the biggest example of the evil selfish reasons side.
That's the interesting thing about Star Wars, especially the Clone Wars, it shows how things are a lot more complex and there are a lot more greys in the world or galaxy in this case, instead of just simple black and white.
@@zexalbrony4799 Intent as defense only goes so far. The imperials in the Empire's military were fully aware of what they were doing. The trick here I think is not to drag the Rebellion into this (though I understand why in your example you used them to demonstrate a veri valid point), but to look at what the Empire did on its own merits. To use a real world comparison: How far can just intent justify really nasty stuff? This question I think is a good launchpad to look into how the Empire as a faction is to be examined. It's tricky business, to be sure. I think safe to say that intent doesn't really excuse exterminatusing entire planets, or the intent being to establish a militarized society, as this is just one being trying to put their will over that of the billions who ought to have a say in it too.
While things are complex, the Empire is without a doubt evil to the core. Even considering how everyone is morally gray, it was a very evil regime by all accounts that helped nothing. Noble intents hardly justify cruelty, oppression, and all that. Though true, not everyone in the Empire was evil, it still does not mean the Empire itself was anything but evil.
@@videocrowsnest5251 Oh yeah, the Empire as a whole is 100% evil. There is no doubt there.
I was just pointing out how not every in it was evil themselves. Some of them would probably actually get along with some of the people in the Rebellion. In fact, I recall hearing in Legends how when the Rebellion became the New Republic, they were very fair to the people of the Empire they had captured. Those in just support roles, like the tech officers who just made sure the equipment like the computers were running properly, they got off pretty easily with very light sentences, which is fair. Like I imagine it was at worst a year or 2 in a New Republic prison, and the best they got was just some community service. Then the soldiers who blindly followed orders, they got harder sentences but not unreasonable ones, like several years in prison, but the actual decent ones who only followed the Empire out of fear or just wanted to be good soldiers like Dogma from The Clone Wars, probably got off all right, with a chance to get time off their sentence for good behavior and maybe even a chance to work for the New Republic when they got out so they could fight for an actual good cause instead of the lies of the Empire, since I don't see all of them as evil monsters, just brainwashed by all the Imperial propaganda and do want to do actual good. And then of course you have the true evil monsters like most of the Moffs who no doubt got executed for all their horrible crimes, which again is fair and what those monsters like Palpatine deserved.
@@zexalbrony4799 That's a pretty low moral standard though, as obviously not everyone within a nation is evil... But if the nation is evil and you are blindly serving it by committing atrocities in its name then you are definitely evil, maybe not all the low-ranking guys in the Empire were evil, possibly many of them if they could get the Imperial propaganda out of their heads would defect to the Rebellion, and I understand that, but... The higher-ups of the Empire, which would include Thrawn and Paleon were Absolutely responsible for the greatest crimes of the Empire, not only for those they did directly, but also for being complicit in Imperial atrocities by knowing about them and still continuing to fight for that system.
You know he wasn't ok with Tarkin blowing up Alderaan right?
Can’t deny that the boys in white still looked and did good when plot armored hero’s weren’t around
My brother came in and thought I just had a screensaver with 1000 pictures of Emperor Palpatine
Palpatine is the definition of evil.
I agree. Palpating is evil. Palpatine is good.
@@romanemperor3160 Other Sith are jackasses but Palpatine take it to A new level.
Also, Magnificent Bastard, Chessmaster, and Complete Monster.
@@michaelandreipalon359 His ego was one of the contribute factors why the rule of two came to an end.
@@savagedarksider His ego could have destroyed the vong in one hour.
The Empire apologism reminds me of a quote from a comic that took some inspiration from Flash Gordon and had the man returning to the planet 40 Years Later.
"Say what you will about tyrants, at least they keep the other predators at bay."
Honestly, with how all over the place his characterization is, its impossible to tell. Sometimes he's the only sane man, constantly reigning Vader in and keeping him from causing too much collateral damage(mostly in Disney comics though), other times Palps is deliberately instilling his Empire with incompetence and chaos for no other reason than his own amusement...
Civilians: “why are you killing is?”
Empire: “we’re trying to save you”
The senators on coruscant: "they'll be fine, probably."
Exactly! Thank you for finally clarifying this. Palpatine is the MAIN villan of Star Wars (both canons), not the Vong or Tenebrae. It is him, who's the primary threat. Yes, he did know about them and yes, the Empire at its prime was far stronger than the vong fleets and would have stopped them propably before they could even enter the galaxy but it does NOT mean destroying the Vong was Palpatine's motivation. If he hadn't found out about them, everything would've still played out as it did. And if the Rebels had lost the Galactic Civil War, the galaxy's fate would've argubly been even darker than the goals of the Yuuzhan Vong. The latter wanted to destroy all of technology and replace it with their biotech, they wanted to build their civilisation on top of the previous one's ashes and subject the galactic society to slavery, transform it as part of their's or if not possible - destroy it. The Sith however wanted to ultimately saturate the entire existance with the dark side, brainwash ALL life and dominate it with their will. I don't think this is any better than the Vong. So yes, everything said in this video is correct.
A small part of Palpatine's plan COULD have involved making the Empire strong enough to fight the Vong. But it would be so he could stay in power, not for the greater galaxy. While I think the Empire would have fared better against the Vong than the New Republic, it doesn't make his other war crimes acceptable
Palpatine: "For 53 years, I've put up with it now. I must stop the Yuuzhan from coming! But how?"
I wouldn’t say Everything Palpatine did was for the Yuuzan Vong but I have no doubt he was well aware of the incoming threat.
And had he succeeded past Endor he could’ve lead the Empire into an overwhelming victory against the invaders, could possibly unite the galaxy, and lead to future expansion efforts.
Palpatine: pretends to look like himself from when he was chancellor
Also Palpatine: builds superweapons, enslaves aliens, looks like a 100 year old man and master of Darth Vader
Its an intetesting thought, but simply put Palps was sure he could beat thr Vong by doing what always planned to do - take over the galaxy.
*the emperor does not share your optimistic appraisal of the situation*
Didn't his actions result in a more militarised and prepared Galaxy, though? Like, both New Republic and Remnant had strong, experienced from decades of warfare militaries, unlike what the Old Republic had before the Clone Wars.
Palpatine: Yo dudes the Empire is pretty chill
Also Palpatine: Genocide be like
The theory is ultimately an excuse for other theorists to say "Palpatine/the Empire did nothing wrong in the hindsight, it's just that the Rebellion/the New Republic is too blind to see it & never knew of Palpatine's true goal"
He was a hero but we just didn’t see it
You're honestly right. Even *if* the Empire's existence was somehow justified, there's no justification for the crimes it committed. If they were truly there to protect the galaxy from the Vong, they could have been a heck of a lot less human-centric, at the very least.
What if Plagueis ruled the galactic empire without Palpatine?
Couldn’t be any worse than Palpatine.
He didn't want an Empire in the first place, Plagueis wouldn't even want to be recognised as an emperor, he always preffered to controll others from the shadows. He wanted the Republic to continue, simply under the Sith's secret controll.
@@elibridgers2781Eh he’d be better. He’s against harming those who are weaker than him and he’s an alien so there’s no xenophobia
Never gonna see this on Disney sadly
The Senate is a hero, PERIOD.
I actually have been voicing the thought of the theory that Palpatine was actually trying to prepare for the Yuuzhang Vong war for a really long time, I just didn't expect someone would twist that into portraying the horrific things Palpatine did as heroic. They were tyrannical, horrific and mercilessly brutal (and incompetent, holy Terra was he stupid sometimes...) But the lack of shields of Tie Fighters, the fact that the Empire NEVER adapted to fighting the Rebellion but stayed the way the way they were and so many other factors play into the concept that Palpatine wasn't even interested in combatting the Rebellion to the point he never took it seriously (till it killed him) because he was possessed with preparation for something far bigger and far more horrific.
He also never told the Galaxy about it because he just didn't care about the wider Galaxy and as with Operation Cinder, if he wasn't around to deal with the Yuuzhang Vong, he wanted the Galaxy to suffer as a result.
Wasn’t Operation: Cinder in the Disney Timeline, while the Vong were in Legends? Either way, I understand where you’re coming from. Palpatine would have used the Vong as an excuse to militarize his empire.
I wonder if the impending Vong invasion made Palpatine worse, after all he now had to accelerate his time table and think of ways to keep them back. In his planning he could then realize that he could do so many more things to increase his power.
"Just because you're a bad guy doesn't mean you're a bad guy." - Zangief from Wreck It Ralph movie
Palpatine probably made the Empire stronger than originally planned to make sure he doesn't get caught with his pants down. Plus Palpatine wants something to rule over. He even said in the Book of the Sith (I think) that a master without an apprentice is a master of nothing, so an emperor without people to rule over is a ruler of nothing
Good and evil is a point of view. ( obi wan kenobi) no he wanted what was best for himself and his empire. Its survival and expansion.
This theory reminds me of the Golden Path that Frank Herbert wrote about in the Dune series, and all the horrible things Leto II had to do for such as the Golden Path and the survival of Humanity. Leto II took on the Golden Path knowing himself it was a necessary evil for the greater good and it weighed upon him. Palpatine was just pure evil doing everything for his own benefit and powerbase.
I wish I'd checked comments before posting, I've just pointed all this out myself. Ah well. :)
If you describe the jedi as baby stealing space wizards, and the emperor as someone who outlawed space wizard baby stealing, he doesn't sound that bad.
About the “baby stealing”, the Jedi at least asked the parents for their consent first before adopting them into the order. The Empire on the the other hand, forcibly took infants away from their families.
@@elibridgers2781 I don't think they had a choice in many stories.both societies were flawerd.
@@mr.wookiesack they always have a choice tho. There were many instances where the parent refuse and the jedi were like "ok sure" and left.
Heck even Mace Windu once returned a child to his familly.
The reason many parent gives their child away is that being a Jedi is one of the highess honor you could have
@@enracktyuo5964 space wizards that buy children, and strongly encourage everyone to hand over their kids. I love star wars, but it's weird. They can't form emotional connections. Best case scenario you live like a monk.
Palpatine prepared the galaxy against the Yuuzhan Vong invasion.
Not the Galaxy, HIS Galaxy.
I would love to see Matpat and Geetsly discuss this as they both make great points
I like that he put humanity first most of the time while hating and using aliens. A true human hero (We wont mention that one planet)
I just checked the Je..., the imperial archives and there never was such a planet. Never ever... 😉
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- The Podracer sequence.
- Duel of the Fates, combined with the rest of the Battle of Naboo.
- The chases against Zam Wesell and Jango Fett.
- The Battle of Geonosis.
- The Battle of Coruscant.
- Order 66.
- The Battle of the Heroes and the prior purging of the Separatist Council.
- The birth of Luke and Leia.
Need I say more?
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Humanity first. Empire poppin', rebels droppin'.
No, he was not. He was the epitome of evil. Ian McDiarmid himself has mentioned something very similar to that in more than one interview. ‘Nuff said.
0:33 So that's how Palpatine used a Force Illusion to look like a kindly old man in public after "recovering" fron Jedi assassination.
How great would it be that when Ezra pulled Asoka through time it created a new time-line and Ezra is with Thrawn fighting the Vong
Or just a show or movie following legends and not including the new Disney stuff
I think that’s what the grysk is. I’m hoping that’s what Ezra and Thrawn have been up to this entire time.
Realtalk: In my opinion defending the Empire is the same as defending the Third Reich. Arguing that the evil of the Empire was necessary in order to be able to defend the Galaxy against the Yuuzan Vong, is the same as arguing that Germanys atrocities were necessary in order to defend the world against the Soviet Union and communism im general.
Damn faithless imperials
ive thought this since i first read about thrawn and other legends but i think his main goal was still to conquer other galaxies.
Imagine how cool it would be to see Palpatine square up on the Vong
Totally believe this. Feel like it may have been mentioned in the book series
Palpatine has a weird thing of solving problems unintentionally.
Yes, definitely more Empire bashing!! Another commentor brought up the Vong War. I'd love to see an in depth exploration of this conflict
"What the Empire would have done was build a super-colossal Yuuzhan Vong-killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandiose. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors, and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? It wouldn't have worked. They'd forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and blow the whole thing up." - Han Solo
If that’s true that he saved the galaxy by preparing it, I doubt he knew he was doing it. I find it more likely to be the will of the force
Hate Palps all you want, that's completely reasonable, he's pure evil; but he took a galaxy that had barely any armies or warships to speak of and turned it into a galaxy that was armed to the teeth. Imagine if the Vong had invaded a decade or two before he took power; there'd be no Star Destroyers, no SSD's, no Mon Cala Cruisers, no X-wings, or any of the other countless weapons the galaxy needed to defeat the Yuuzhan Vong; they'd be screwed. This is why you ALWAYS have a capable standing military, pacifism is for the weak and easily-conquered. If the planets of the Galaxy all had armies and fleets to start with then Palpatine might not have taken over in the first place.
Palpatine was basically the revan of that era! Awesome theory, I would like that to be true because it would add a whole other layer to his personality.
All the homies love Papa Palpatine
4:30 One subtle clue in Revenge of the Sith suggests Palpatine cared more about Sith Ideology than he did about his own life. He fully expected Darth Vader would overthrow him and expressed as much to Yoda ("Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us"), yet still took the time to corrupt Anakin and train him as his apprentice anyway.
"It takes a Napoleon to fight a Hitler".
Imperials.
Me as a Sith: "Are you Sure? I mean maybe not really?!? Or just maybe he is power hungry and does like playing with other tyrants."
Both sides calling a apple, apple.
Just in different ways.
I could believe maybe at Palpatine's most arrogant he could view himself as the savior of the Galaxy, but he was still a villain who wanted power. He didn't give a Sith about anyone else but himself.
That's is so true
Palpatine was looking out for #1 and Thrawn probably know this but seeing what great resources the Empire had he decided to go along with it but not forgetting the real reason why to stop the Yuuzhan Vong since he had reports about them in his system!
Thrawn I would be willing to argue had the Yuuzhan Vong in mind when he tried to take over the New Republic in Legends. Palpatine though, nope, don't believe it. He'd have tried to use the YV to further his own agenda/power, never mind suffering and consequences to the galaxy.
@@FairbrookWingates Thrawn wanted to take back territory to to secure the new republic and his system that is why Thrawn going the empire,but Palpatine knew about to justify his power but people had enough they wouldn't believe him but he would be glad that the republic was destroyed even if he did take care of the empire
@@FairbrookWingates As much as I like Thrawn: Just like Palpi, he knew about the threat but kept quiet. If defense against the Vong would have been his ultimate motivation, he would have shared this knowledge and tried to unify the Rebellion and the shattered Empire.
Instead, he kept his knowledge to himself. Just like the Emperor.
So, any theories as to whether the Galactic Republic, Separatist Alliance, or both United would stand a chance against these extragalactic invaders? Given how the New Republic and Imperial Remnant came damn close to losing, the answer seems to be no.
Also historically the Republic has been opened to unlikely backgrounds to take lead once in awhile. It was said that Blotus the Hutt was a former Supreme Chancellor and was admired for the economic boom and prosperity he brought to the Republic. With how Hutt Space was governed I would never think an institution grand like the Republic would ever consider a leader from such area but they made the exception and it paid off. When Palpatine was revealed as a Sith Lord the Galaxy didn’t really care at this point in fact the Sith were believed to be extinct for a millennia so by then grudges from republic citizens towards the Sith had waned.
It's like Fable 3. You can assume that everything Logan did was just to be an evil tyrant. Only to find out that you'd have to do the same things he did if you wanted your kingdom to survive the coming evil.
I know in canon he's purely evil but it's even more poetic that someone on the dark path would believe they are more capable then the rest of the galaxy at fighting a massive threat so instead of telling everyone so they can prepare they keep everything secret and make everything even worse when it happens.
You know what would be a good thing to have against those Vong world ships? A Death Star.
The Vong were a good excuse to conquer the Galaxy. He would have down it with or without the Vong.
the emperor was sadistic and really enjoyed making others suffer
he is only interested in helping himself in anyway possible
helping you and or others is only a byproduct
You do realize Palpatine was lawfully elected emperor and that the Jedis did indeed try to mind control and take over the Galaxy and his order to execute them was justified. Yeah even the kids since they had lightsabers and were killing people.
If thrawn and Pelion had been able to take over after palpatine died that would’ve been amazing id love to see what they could have done with a more intact empire rather than the bread crumbs they had to work with. Can you do a what if video? Like what if thrawn took over after Endor
The Rebellion was responsible for weakening the Galaxy against the Vong.
Blame Fey’lya
@@neofulcrum5013 that Bothan fool was easily manipulated by spies from the Intendant Caste.
That's quite possibly the most intriguing Star Wars EU theory...
How did Palp know about the Vong? Ya they'd made incursions before the main invasion but they were also invisible in the force. Did his future sight foresee a war against an invisible fow? Did Thrawn successfully interrogsye a vong?
Plenty of people had encountered Vong scouts face to face during and before the Clone Wars, pretty sure even Anakin had encountered one in Legends
@@andrewmeyer3599 ya the "far outsiders" but they never mentioned a galaxy wide invasion. Vong suicide when captured.
🤔 . . . Just a follow up video about the Galactic Empire’s machines of war designs & how they’re affected by the Vong. Otherwise, I’m in complete agreement with you: Palpatine didn’t care about the various life forms in the galaxy, he only wanted power & to keep power and more. The Vong was going to be a problem for him, thus he did have A say in which direction his Empire was going to go on that. Afterwards, he’d probably would do far worse things than the Vong & such…
Indeed, palps is the main villan, not the vong. However his war machines, while they would have wiped the vong out, were not crrated specifically for them. Palpatine did not adjust his plans in any way dur to the Vong, all he did was use their existance as a way to turn Thrawn to his side.
That is propaganda, @@emzonik8851. I was referring to design choices.
@@nickvinsable3798 Any specific examples?
@@emzonik8851 Well. I can image star destroyers, for example
In the Legends Novels that covers the Vong invasion, the New Republic’s ships, especially their starfighters, weren’t effective. However, @@emzonik8851, the Imperial Remnant’s ships, especially their standard TIEs, with their chin mounted twin laser guns, were more effective against the Vong. Another factor are the differences in the starfighters shields.
Granted, I’m not arguing against Geetsly’s final say, but I honestly still believe that, at best, the imperial’s design choices were focused towards the Vong, at worst, it was just coincidental convenience about the design choices.
If one compares the Empire with the Imperium from 40k it’s clear that the Imperium is more evil but still being praised, because they are in an actual all out war (instead of just dealing with rebellions)
Mothmatists... I was not expecting that but I'm here for the disrespect
Palpatine knew all about the vong but that wasn't why he did everything.
He was going to form the empire anyway, but he didn't want the vong coming in 30 years on and trying to topple him, so he took steps to fight them as well.
Geetsly is clearly a rebel plant with this video
I love stormtroopers and imperial asthetic, Palpatine was a self serving demi sith that would have had Bane rolling in his tomb. Dunk on palpy all you can but give me cool trooper content like you have been and I'll keep watching. Content from this channel is awesome. Would love a vid about the maw installation if you don't have one up already.
There's always a bigger evil.
If you want an end to justify your means, you can always find one.
True, but the Vong weren't even bigger evil than Palpatine.
There's always a bigger fish
I’m glad he lost ngl. The last thing the galaxy needed was the “Nose of Palpatine” to sabotage the war effort.
In all seriousness the Empire’s tendency to shoot its own foot and cause insurgencies through the policies of its human centric governance would likely have seen Vong agents like Nom Anor not just causing instability,but actively crippling the Empires war effort.
No one ever sees themselves as the bad guy
I feel like we could probably use the names Palpatine and Trump interchangeably.
aside from other real world dictator influences, palpatine from the PT is heavily inspired by George Bush.
I like how is the ultimate villain to play both sides to come to power. He was not a good site, that he killed his master in his sleep, not face to face, how the rule of two was supposed to be.
I agree; Palpatine did nothing to prepare the galaxy against the Yuuzhan Vong and went crazy with power. However, Having Thawrn as emperor of the Galactic Empire would be better. The Fel Empire under the Fel Dynasty was a way better government and a united government with a constitutional monarchy. Anyway, this a great video, my friend; please keep up the fantastic work, and may the force be with you!
Thrawn actually had a purpose other than power for power's sake.
@@FairbrookWingates Yeah, Thrawn's purpose was to reunify the remnants of the imperial warlords to unite a dangerous threat: the Yuuzhan Vong. Too bad Thrawn is dead, he would be the leader with an actual purpose, and the Empire deserves it since he is brilliant, charismatic, and care under his command. If only he wasn't assassinated by Rukh. He kind of reminds me of Char Anzable.
I know that Dark Empire certainly wasnt perfect, but i actually like it, Reborn Palpatine leading the empire from a secret throneworld still has a great pull for me. resources of the Dark Empire wouldve been so extremely useful against the Vong, not only was the Galaxy Gun the best possible Vong Worldship killing machine, Palpatines fleet of World Devastators wouldve been able to whittle down the Vong with wave after wave of reinforcements.
I have no doubt that Palpatine wanted to protect HIS galaxy from the Vong. It wasn't about the citizens of the galaxy, it was "this is mine, it will stay mine."
Liked for “didn’t give a Sith” 🤩😂
Never thought I’d see those words, palpatine did no wrong and palpatine was misunderstood. This man is so evil, he makes the devil himself blush. palpatine was so good at playing the weak old man play. Good cover with this video though, so the isb doesn’t coming knocking on your door.
The Empire's biggest problem is that it was run by a Sith.
Its officers were trained like Sith Lords and its soldiers like Massassi, and so just like the Sith Empire founded by King Attas, it collapsed with the loss of its leadership.
one person they could have used instead of palpatine was trawn. his goal was acctualy to prepear the galaxy and destroy the vong
Your points about Palpatine not giving a "Sith" about anyone but himself are spot on. However, the military machine of the Empire -- especially if it had more officers like Thrawn, who actually cared -- would have been a very effective weapon against the Vong, certainly more than the infighting of the New Republic. I wish Thrawn had succeeded in his campaign. At the Battle of Bilbringi, he specifically wanted Home One to be taken intact. I think he wanted to talk to Ackbar, to give him proof of the Vong's existence and of their threat tot the Galaxy. I'm sure Ackbar would have listened, and Thrawn's Empire and the New Republic *together* could have really prepared for the invasion. It's a real shame we didn't get to see *that* future for Star Wars.
If Thrawn, or someone else, had managed to inform Palpatine that the Yuuzhan Vong COULD overthrow his world, it may help explain the motivation behind his unrivaled ambition to control everything; as plenty of powerful sith before him either never bothered, or were unsuccessful... It helps to show that Palpatine perhaps felt a threat as justification of his goals and potential. I think Palpatine already inherently believed (being a sith), regardless of an external military threat to justify it, maintaining order through force and dominance is inherently the only way to rule - and that anything is permissible to get to that point, and to win.
Palpatine does say to luke that he's mistaken about a "great many things" which is vague enough to work here.
It could very well be that Palpatine took it upon himself to finally act, using the Yuuzhan Vong threat, or potential of another force taking advantage before him, as motivation. He chose to become every side of a war of his own construction, to build up a supreme standing galaxy wide military force... If he didn't do everything possible to become a living god of a military empire, than many forces that could possibly take over (post-galactic empire republic, for example) would be comparably incompetent to stopping a force-resistant military like the Yuuzhan Vong.
Palpatine wasn't inherently concerned about the safety of the galaxy, but he was concerned about the safety of HIS galaxy, were it to become his.
yes more of this please