Hell yeah, tried it at the range today. I used to think he hit thin every time. Everything clicked when he dragged the club against the ground and explained the kink in right wrist. I tried the swing with every club in the bag and now I have a knock down swing for every club. Thanks!
Been looking for GOOD video that can help me hit a stinger, not a punch. I love how you address the misconceptions! Super important in golf instruction, there's a lot of perpetual mis-information that's hurting the game. Thanks for the video clay, can't wait to try this out when the snow goes away :(
Hi Ryan, thank you so much for the kind words. I'll be sure to pass it along to Clay. Let us know how it goes when you are able to try it out. Stay warm! ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
Thanks for this *correct* explanation. 99% of "stinger" tutorials are actually tutorials for standard punch shots. Tiger's real stinger is a full shot, not cut off or shortened or any of that. The length of the swing is the same as his full shots. I believe the only difference is he (1) delofts the face more through forward shaft lean and (2) Hits the ball slightly lower on the clubhead. The second part I've never actually seen addressed in tutorial videos, but even a lot of forward shaft lean won't produce a shot as low as Tiger's stingers. He must also be hitting it lower on the face. But it takes tremendous talent to do that without topping it, which most of us would struggle with. Just go out to the range and try to hit a few lower on the face. You'll top most of them. Once in a while you might get lucky and you hit this perfect low, piercing shot. Difference is Tiger can execute it every time.
MrElculver2424 wouldn’t say it’s ever a good idea to try to hit the ball anywhere other than the sweet spot. Especially lower on the face when hitting a stinger because hitting the ball lower on the face will create more spin which creates more drag which is a killer for distance on a stinger.
@@aaronmacchia1011 Exactly. Always hit the sweet spot. Ethan is right though that most tutorials are for punch shots. What I liked about this one is that it addressed the hip turn. I was hitting 3i stingers, but in reality they were more of a punch shot because I wasn't turning my hips enough. Next session though I'll be doing as instructed here.
Honestly, I hit stingers, attempt to, with all clubs in my bag, LW-Driver, as a drill. The absolute only way for me to successfully do it is to clear my hips. So I use it as a hip clearing drill. Similar to driver off the deck (drill for me). Thanks Clay for walking me through what is actually happening for such a shot. Do you have anything on driver off the deck. I assume it's similar, in that youth must come in shallow, as such, you must clear the hips.
Hi Daryl, thanks for the comment. I typically don't recommedn hitting driver off the deck unless you have a fluffy like the ball is on a tee. The sweet spot is too high on the face and the loft is usually too low on the lower part of the face where you'll be able to strike the ball. This results in a very low launch and high spinning shot which is trough to control. I would recommend just hitting a 3 wood. It will usually go further and be easier to hit. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
I think that people are getting confused between the punch, knock down and the stinger which are 3 different shots. I know that I have been. Thanks for clearing up this. Question, Tiger hits a draw with his stinger, is this the shape we should be looking for?
Hi Brian, not necessarily. You can hit a stinger that is a fade, draw or straight. Draws will typically be lower because you it's easier to deloft it when you are hitting a draw. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
I want to clear up some confusion....when a club manufacture stamps a #2 on a club, it's not really so important what the number is but how much LOFT it has compared to a driver (hence the name "driving iron") Tiger struggled to get his driver off the ground with a right-to-left shot, so he used his 2 iron as a substitute. but his natural swing path was OUT to IN and that is where the "stinger" comes from, since Butch Harmon told him to keep the ball down out of the wind in Scotland.
If i try doing this, will it hurt my regular swing, because if i practice turning my hips and shoulders more for this shot, it might leak into my full swing, so should I try doing this?
Clay, what software are you using for your shot tracking?? I am looking at getting something for the range as I am training for long drive competitions and need to see my progress. Thank you!
Hi April, the iPad is connected to a FlightScope launch monitor. The app on the iPad just displays the data that the launch monitor is gathering. The FlightScope runs about $12k. I wish there was a cheaper way to accurately get this data. Maybe there will be in the future. Play well ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
I think the problem is people don’t practice with the clubs they have to learn how to hit them, Iv learned how to hit all my clubs using a impact net then started adding power and wider swings im smoking the ball now dead center and getting the ball up and have mastered the clubs I have, that’s how I learned how to play! Then I decided to watch these youtube videos and learn everything I can but everything y’all are teaching I learned my self but the biggest tip I got that really made me super consistent was from Calvin Peete watching him teach someone and he told the person to bend there knees then grip the club best tip I could of ever learned I think because I keep my knees bent now all the way threw the swing and that allowed me to really smoke the balls speed and allowed me to be more persistent in my shots
Hi, I'm not sure exactly how high Tiger's stinger is but if it is lower than he is just getting more forward shaft lean to launch it lower. He is using the technique that Clay demonstrates here. To get it lower, he is opening his body more and getting those hands more out in front at impact. He is also coming in nice and shallow which gives him more compression on the ball and less spin so that the ball doesn't balloon. Play well ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
No disrespect but in Tigers video he specifically states that you need to stop your follow through about shoulder height so therefore it wouldn’t be a full swing you’re supposed to cut off the finish slightly. Basing off of how tiger stated it.
@@TopSpeedGolf of course! By the way been watching your videos for a long time now and I gotta say you do a wonderful job with your videos thank you for all the helpful content. Keep up the great work!
When you watch tiger do it he comes across the ball tjen delofts the club at the last second amd follows tjrough with a full swing and they fly knee high all the way down tje fairway.
Just so I get it, you take a 3 iron, de-loft it and hit it pure. So, the same as a nice sweeping 1 iron? Why would you choose one over the other? Genuine question from someone who doesn't see the difference! lol
Hi Toby, I get this question a lot. If you don't have forward shaft lean then you'll be losing speed. Also, if you don't have forward shaft lean then your impact will be unstable. You want the force (hands) leading the mass (club head). Imagine a boat pulling a skier vs the other way around. It doesn't work. Also, if you flip then you'll typically just be able to hit thin shots unless the ball is sitting up like it's on a tee. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Tiger explains stopping his hands quickly after impact. So this isn’t a full swing shot. I think that is a big reason your shot was 71’ off the ground. That true stinger is staying much lower.
Top Speed Golf - Clay Ballard I think you had all the rest spot on. But that full backswing to stopping hands so you finish below shoulders might explain some back and knee problems. Problems you likely/luckily haven’t had to deal with. 🤣
The stinger is nothin more than a strong-punch. They are easy to hit, just practice punching the ball. Most people would never pull a 2i (or any iron) and try to punch from a tee box or fairway, that is why everyone is in such awe when they see him do it. The time you hit it in the water was the stinger, but you shank'd it. 70' in the air is a regular swing-height for some people with a 2i. Strong punch = Stinger.
Hi Mr. Sig, you are right more or less but there is a little more to it than that which is what Clay covers in the video. Hope you are playing great! ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
Mr. Sig I hit my strong punch shot like he did when the ball went in the water, but I also close my clubface to correct for the slice. Is this okay? My ball starts low, but rises? The height is about half as high as my regular shot.
@@magicmike1122 It all depends. You can hit a stinger fade, or stinger draw. There are a couple of reasons for a natural slice, and a couple reasons why even if you close the face down to correct for it and the ball still slices. Someone knowledgable would have to watch and evaluate your swing. If your swing is a mirror image of a his when the ball went in the water, then your ball goes right because of a slight shank. He didnt have much of an open stance, and he didnt swing over the top, his weight looked centered and balanced. Closing the face down with a descending blow sometimes traps the ball against the hosel even though the ball still contacts a good portion of the club face to give it an initial straight flight.
Like Clay Ballard a lot, and I know he's just trying to get views (and teach a valuable shot), but I just get _so_ irritated with this "stinger" thing every time. Like guys weren't hitting hard knockdowns back when Snead and Hogan were playing. Or Jones, or Vardon, or the Morrises, for that matter. There's just something that smacks of the whole "Tiger invented golf" thing in it. But yeah, the info is good here as usual.
Hi Stephen, thanks for the comment. I agree, Tiger certainly didn't invent this shot but no one really does it better than he does. Hope you're playing great! Quentin | TSG Instructor
If Tiger claims him inventing the stinger,?...then he is dishonest! Low ball flight shots were the ORIGINAL GOLF SHOT in and around early days.....home of golf, St,Andrews. Every hack and Jack played it as it was effective in the wind. Im sure Tiger copied it and renamed it. I think its a common punc shot
A low golf shot. Really common about 30- 50 years ago. A 1 iron into the wind. Why is it called a stinger ?. Sounds really silly. Like a drink or something.
Hi Brandon, thanks for the comment. That's exactly it! You just want to make sure that you don't get it too far back in your stance like Clay mentions in the video. If you do then you'll come down too steep and chop into the ball. You can see how much distance Clay lost doing that. The key is to get more forward shaft lean to lower the ball flight and come in nice and shallow so that you get that really good compression. Play well ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
Hi Joseph, hope you are doing well. You're exactly right, it probably isn't that high but I'm not for sure. I haven't even seen the launch numbers on one but I would imagine it's around 50 feet. It was definitely not our intention to mislead anyone. The technique that Clay went over in this video is correct but Clay may not have executed the shot the way he wanted to. As you can imagine, it's not an easy shot to master. Hope you're playing great! ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
I hit a stinger with my 60 degree all the time.
loganchamp hahaha
Hahaha .... blade stingers are the hardest shots lol 😂
Bitchn' Fishing its a joke
Jasonallen Price picking your head up doesn’t matter if you’re keeping the same angle in your back
Haha me too lad.
Honestly, I only learned how to hit a stinger to hit the range picker/ball collector cart.
As someone who drives one, I hope you are bad at stingers hahah
Josh L can you feel anything if the cart gets hit?
Arjun Anand no but it’s really loud, the doors are metal. Hurts my ears and makes me jump
So your the guy
Hell yeah, tried it at the range today. I used to think he hit thin every time. Everything clicked when he dragged the club against the ground and explained the kink in right wrist. I tried the swing with every club in the bag and now I have a knock down swing for every club. Thanks!
That's awesome Dale! Thanks for sharing. Keep up the good shooting! ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
Been looking for GOOD video that can help me hit a stinger, not a punch. I love how you address the misconceptions! Super important in golf instruction, there's a lot of perpetual mis-information that's hurting the game. Thanks for the video clay, can't wait to try this out when the snow goes away :(
Hi Ryan, thank you so much for the kind words. I'll be sure to pass it along to Clay. Let us know how it goes when you are able to try it out. Stay warm! ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
Thanks for this *correct* explanation. 99% of "stinger" tutorials are actually tutorials for standard punch shots. Tiger's real stinger is a full shot, not cut off or shortened or any of that. The length of the swing is the same as his full shots. I believe the only difference is he (1) delofts the face more through forward shaft lean and (2) Hits the ball slightly lower on the clubhead. The second part I've never actually seen addressed in tutorial videos, but even a lot of forward shaft lean won't produce a shot as low as Tiger's stingers. He must also be hitting it lower on the face. But it takes tremendous talent to do that without topping it, which most of us would struggle with. Just go out to the range and try to hit a few lower on the face. You'll top most of them. Once in a while you might get lucky and you hit this perfect low, piercing shot. Difference is Tiger can execute it every time.
MrElculver2424 watch the backswing and then lag which is directly down and through just like a 1.5 driver
MrElculver2424 wouldn’t say it’s ever a good idea to try to hit the ball anywhere other than the sweet spot. Especially lower on the face when hitting a stinger because hitting the ball lower on the face will create more spin which creates more drag which is a killer for distance on a stinger.
@@aaronmacchia1011 Exactly. Always hit the sweet spot. Ethan is right though that most tutorials are for punch shots. What I liked about this one is that it addressed the hip turn. I was hitting 3i stingers, but in reality they were more of a punch shot because I wasn't turning my hips enough. Next session though I'll be doing as instructed here.
Awesome detail in what to do and not to do and not confusing at all keep it up.
Glad it was helpful!
Honestly, I hit stingers, attempt to, with all clubs in my bag, LW-Driver, as a drill. The absolute only way for me to successfully do it is to clear my hips. So I use it as a hip clearing drill. Similar to driver off the deck (drill for me).
Thanks Clay for walking me through what is actually happening for such a shot. Do you have anything on driver off the deck. I assume it's similar, in that youth must come in shallow, as such, you must clear the hips.
Hi Daryl, thanks for the comment. I typically don't recommedn hitting driver off the deck unless you have a fluffy like the ball is on a tee. The sweet spot is too high on the face and the loft is usually too low on the lower part of the face where you'll be able to strike the ball. This results in a very low launch and high spinning shot which is trough to control. I would recommend just hitting a 3 wood. It will usually go further and be easier to hit. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
By far the best explanation of how to hit the stinger! Nice job Clay
Thanks Bob!
Your a awesome teacher. Easy to listen to and watch
Thanks Michael!
Thanks MIchael!
You and Robin do a great job, and from my home town! Love Alaqua Lakes and Heathrow.
Thanks Wayne!
Good video, short and simple!!
I think that people are getting confused between the punch, knock down and the stinger which are 3 different shots. I know that I have been. Thanks for clearing up this. Question, Tiger hits a draw with his stinger, is this the shape we should be looking for?
Hi Brian, not necessarily. You can hit a stinger that is a fade, draw or straight. Draws will typically be lower because you it's easier to deloft it when you are hitting a draw. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
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Thanks!
My best stinger is when I skulled a 9 iron 80 feet past the green
Haha...that's one way of doing it. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
That wasn't a stinger. That was a long iron.
I want to clear up some confusion....when a club manufacture stamps a #2 on a club, it's not really so important what the number is but how much LOFT it has compared to a driver (hence the name "driving iron") Tiger struggled to get his driver off the ground with a right-to-left shot, so he used his 2 iron as a substitute. but his natural swing path was OUT to IN and that is where the "stinger" comes from, since Butch Harmon told him to keep the ball down out of the wind in Scotland.
What golf ball flight analyzer did you use in your iPad?
FlightScope
Thanks for the great instructions!
No problem Jorga! Glad you are enjoying it. Play well! ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
What a detail !
Thank you so muchXD
No problem Lena! Glad you liked the video. Play well ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
Nice. I enjoyed the HD. I think it's great to have this shot in your bag, really comes in handy.
Thanks! Glad you liked the video.
What are you using for the ball Monitor system.
If i try doing this, will it hurt my regular swing, because if i practice turning my hips and shoulders more for this shot, it might leak into my full swing, so should I try doing this?
Clay, what software are you using for your shot tracking?? I am looking at getting something for the range as I am training for long drive competitions and need to see my progress. Thank you!
Hi, this is the FlightScope software. Do a quick google search and you'll find their website. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
What’s sysytem are you using to track the stats?
FlightScope
When I think of a stinger, the ball is 9 ft, maybe 20 ft ball height max.
Yeah, for sure. I always visualize trying to hit it through a doorway :-) Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Much appreciated, excellent tutorial.
That wasnt a stinger. That ball came out pretty high.
I can’t even hit my pitching wedge properly but meanwhile I’m here learning how to hit stingers
Just out of interest are you a left outward pull or a right inward throw release ? Great vid!
Both!
Thank you for this video. Wha iPad software or app are you using? It would really improve my game to have this instant feedback.
Hi April, the iPad is connected to a FlightScope launch monitor. The app on the iPad just displays the data that the launch monitor is gathering. The FlightScope runs about $12k. I wish there was a cheaper way to accurately get this data. Maybe there will be in the future. Play well ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
Do you ever come back to Winchester to visit?
Hey, how's it going? Oh, yeah. 3-4 times a year.
What app is that on your iPad?
Hi, it's the app for our FlightScope launch monitor. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
What software you use?
We use FlightScope to track the flight of the ball. We use Adobe Premierre to edit videos. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
I think the problem is people don’t practice with the clubs they have to learn how to hit them, Iv learned how to hit all my clubs using a impact net then started adding power and wider swings im smoking the ball now dead center and getting the ball up and have mastered the clubs I have, that’s how I learned how to play! Then I decided to watch these youtube videos and learn everything I can but everything y’all are teaching I learned my self but the biggest tip I got that really made me super consistent was from Calvin Peete watching him teach someone and he told the person to bend there knees then grip the club best tip I could of ever learned I think because I keep my knees bent now all the way threw the swing and that allowed me to really smoke the balls speed and allowed me to be more persistent in my shots
Tigers stinger is not 70' high. It's probably half of that. How does HE do it?
Hi, I'm not sure exactly how high Tiger's stinger is but if it is lower than he is just getting more forward shaft lean to launch it lower. He is using the technique that Clay demonstrates here. To get it lower, he is opening his body more and getting those hands more out in front at impact. He is also coming in nice and shallow which gives him more compression on the ball and less spin so that the ball doesn't balloon. Play well ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
EXACTLY
The punch shot way
I’ve had this shot in my bag before tiger made it famous.
Thanks for sharing!
No disrespect but in Tigers video he specifically states that you need to stop your follow through about shoulder height so therefore it wouldn’t be a full swing you’re supposed to cut off the finish slightly. Basing off of how tiger stated it.
Thanks for sharing!
@@TopSpeedGolf of course! By the way been watching your videos for a long time now and I gotta say you do a wonderful job with your videos thank you for all the helpful content. Keep up the great work!
Clay , I need that shirt . Send me one .
Haha...I don't think so :-)
When you watch tiger do it he comes across the ball tjen delofts the club at the last second amd follows tjrough with a full swing and they fly knee high all the way down tje fairway.
So in a nutshell, one ball back, and a slightly more compressed swing?
...and very shallow angle of attack.
Just so I get it, you take a 3 iron, de-loft it and hit it pure. So, the same as a nice sweeping 1 iron? Why would you choose one over the other? Genuine question from someone who doesn't see the difference! lol
Hi Toby, I get this question a lot. If you don't have forward shaft lean then you'll be losing speed. Also, if you don't have forward shaft lean then your impact will be unstable. You want the force (hands) leading the mass (club head). Imagine a boat pulling a skier vs the other way around. It doesn't work. Also, if you flip then you'll typically just be able to hit thin shots unless the ball is sitting up like it's on a tee. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Video starts 3:50
Instead of torquing your body to get this shot to happen just get a really stiff shaft.
Tiger explains stopping his hands quickly after impact. So this isn’t a full swing shot. I think that is a big reason your shot was 71’ off the ground. That true stinger is staying much lower.
Yeah, I agree, it's definitely going a little lower than that. It's more like 50' probably. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Top Speed Golf - Clay Ballard I think you had all the rest spot on. But that full backswing to stopping hands so you finish below shoulders might explain some back and knee problems. Problems you likely/luckily haven’t had to deal with. 🤣
Boo 71 ft high not a stinger , could be half that high
Hi, thanks for the comment. I agree, it definitely could be lower. Hope you're playing great! Quentin | TSG Instructor
video starts around 4 minutes in
Thanks!
Traj like goaty
Haha...thanks for the comment Daryl!
Awesome vid...But tbh you don't know how tiger does it. So you title should be how you think the stinger is done.
Sure max_eh, consider this Clay's opinion of how he does it. Hope you're playing great! ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
Only Tiger can hit a Tiger stinger.
Sure but you can hit a Boone stinger :-)
@@TopSpeedGolf That's what happens to my elbow everytime I try to hit a 2 iron lol.
your stinger was way to High and you didnt mention what the Hands Are Doing But Good Shatt Lean Content
Not much of a "stinger" @ 70 feet.
Uh negative. His initial shot was 101, 70 is half of 101??
Kyle Opperman 🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴😏
The stinger is nothin more than a strong-punch. They are easy to hit, just practice punching the ball. Most people would never pull a 2i (or any iron) and try to punch from a tee box or fairway, that is why everyone is in such awe when they see him do it. The time you hit it in the water was the stinger, but you shank'd it. 70' in the air is a regular swing-height for some people with a 2i. Strong punch = Stinger.
Hi Mr. Sig, you are right more or less but there is a little more to it than that which is what Clay covers in the video. Hope you are playing great! ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
Mr. Sig I hit my strong punch shot like he did when the ball went in the water, but I also close my clubface to correct for the slice. Is this okay? My ball starts low, but rises? The height is about half as high as my regular shot.
@@magicmike1122 It all depends. You can hit a stinger fade, or stinger draw. There are a couple of reasons for a natural slice, and a couple reasons why even if you close the face down to correct for it and the ball still slices. Someone knowledgable would have to watch and evaluate your swing. If your swing is a mirror image of a his when the ball went in the water, then your ball goes right because of a slight shank. He didnt have much of an open stance, and he didnt swing over the top, his weight looked centered and balanced. Closing the face down with a descending blow sometimes traps the ball against the hosel even though the ball still contacts a good portion of the club face to give it an initial straight flight.
You got the technique, but you can get it lower
Thanks!
Like Clay Ballard a lot, and I know he's just trying to get views (and teach a valuable shot), but I just get _so_ irritated with this "stinger" thing every time. Like guys weren't hitting hard knockdowns back when Snead and Hogan were playing. Or Jones, or Vardon, or the Morrises, for that matter. There's just something that smacks of the whole "Tiger invented golf" thing in it.
But yeah, the info is good here as usual.
Hi Stephen, thanks for the comment. I agree, Tiger certainly didn't invent this shot but no one really does it better than he does. Hope you're playing great! Quentin | TSG Instructor
71 feet high? Not a stinger!
Clean your grooves with a towel and not your foot, should get even lower.
Hi David, you're exactly right. Clay is just lazy ;-) Hope you're playing great! ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
Your shot wasn't stinger
It was topping ball
If Tiger claims him inventing the stinger,?...then he is dishonest! Low ball flight shots were the ORIGINAL GOLF SHOT in and around early days.....home of golf, St,Andrews. Every hack and Jack played it as it was effective in the wind. Im sure Tiger copied it and renamed it. I think its a common punc shot
Hi MJ, thanks for the comment. I agree, people have been hitting this shot for a long time. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Nice, simple explanation 👎🏿
Dude, you didn’t hit a stinger.
Can we get tips from a guy that doesnt slice his example shots?
Sure. There are TONS of other instructors out there. I'll stick with these guys.
A low golf shot. Really common about 30- 50 years ago. A 1 iron into the wind. Why is it called a stinger ?. Sounds really silly. Like a drink or something.
Hi, thanks for sharing. Hope you're playing great! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Tiger can't even do the famous" tiger stinger" anymore! get real!
This doesn’t teach it at all
Amateur way of hitting a stinger
Amateurs and pros do this. This is how Tiger hits his stinger. Hope you're playing great! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Put it towards the back of your stance, stand a bit open get your hands out in front and swing normal
Hi Brandon, thanks for the comment. That's exactly it! You just want to make sure that you don't get it too far back in your stance like Clay mentions in the video. If you do then you'll come down too steep and chop into the ball. You can see how much distance Clay lost doing that. The key is to get more forward shaft lean to lower the ball flight and come in nice and shallow so that you get that really good compression. Play well ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
Is Tiger's stinger 70' high? Sure doesn't look like it. Not good to mislead your viewers. I was a fan until now.
Hi Joseph, hope you are doing well. You're exactly right, it probably isn't that high but I'm not for sure. I haven't even seen the launch numbers on one but I would imagine it's around 50 feet. It was definitely not our intention to mislead anyone. The technique that Clay went over in this video is correct but Clay may not have executed the shot the way he wanted to. As you can imagine, it's not an easy shot to master. Hope you're playing great! ~ Quentin | TSG Instructor
Dont mess with clay joe! Bowling in your future!
Why are you such a fragile princess Joe?
Joseph Lewis you’re the worst
Joseph Lewis wow. You just took one little wrong piece of information and now you dislike him?
What app are using on your iPad?
Hi, it's the app for the FlightScope launch monitor which is similar to a Trackman. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor