“I Gave Them Statutes That Were Not Good” (Ezekiel
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- How does a perfect god say he gave them statutes that were not good? How could the embodiment of what is good and just and holy give Israel statutes that were not good as he said in Ezekiel 20:25-26? What were these “not good” statutes? How do we make this make sense?
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It's odd at this point in my spiritual journey, looking back at "Christianity", how they make it look like Yeshua came to save believers from Yahweh. Like Yahweh was some hard dictator whom imposed impossible laws and rules, that Israel could not possibly follow if they wanted to. But Yeshua came speaking only Yah's word, and telling people to follow Yah's instructions.
Amen! Yah is in your life. Keep on the true path my friend.
The term for that is marcionism. Marcion taught that the God of the Old Testament is different than the God if the New Testament. He taught that the God of the Old Testament was evil. It’s crazy that some teachings in Christianity mirror this
I agree, it’s basically modern-day Gnosticism disguised as “Christianity”, it’s disgusting.
Yes! Amen! This was my experience also.
This is the verse that came to my mind right away
Regarding child sacrifice
Jeremiah 29: 4 ¶ “Because they have forsaken Me and made this an alien place, because they have burned incense in it to other gods whom neither they, their fathers, nor the kings of Judah have known, and have filled this place with the blood of the innocents
5 “(they have also built the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings to Baal, which I did not command or speak, nor did it come into My mind),
Mine too!
In my NKJV, it says in verse 25, Therefore I also gave them up to statutes that were not good, and judgments by which they could not live 26and I pronounced them unclean because of their ritual gifts, , in they caused all their first born to pass through the fire, that I might make them desolate and they might know that I am Yahovah
This is a great academic rebuttal! This argument is really just trying to force Ezekiel to fit a specific Source-Critical theory. Your reading makes far more sense within the context of the greater sermon, which is the reason for these verses existing.
You are delusional😂😂 yahway is clearly commanding human sacrifice but this contradicts your delusion so you can't accept
when Gods Words are changed and removed from HIs Word you lose the meaning. verse 24 tells why but you didnt include it. why not? you also dont include all of 26 that says " to the end that they might know that I am The Lord." most things are defined or explained in the text around whatever is cherrypicked out of the scripture. context is everything.
Took a lot of words when one could just look at other translations. Yahweh gave them over to bad statutes...
Torah is a mix of obligations and prohibitions. These are statutes - positive and negative requirements. Do good and not evil. Do good and be blessed with life. Do evil and be cursed to death.
God gave statutes that declare things to be evil and prohibit doing them.
Deuteronomy is an incredibly important book to understand, especially the plea God makes with Israel.
This teaching was not lost on the 16th century reformers per their notes in the Geneva Bible.
I like your masculine and feminine distinction. Torah is a feminine word, shabbat is feminine.
I am about ten minutes in. Really looking to see if you tie it into the "law of sin and death" that Paul writes we are " no longer uner". If you have statutes you have a Torah of some sort. Not good would be death contrasted to the good Torah. Also this not good Torah is given because of sin.
I have a question slash statement.........?????? Why do you David use so many human writings ans opinions as a kind of proof to help others to understand??? Why don't you use only scripture? It doesn't help your point but hinder . Yahweh says to only speak in/with only the Strength that He gives graces us with. Meaning only His Wisdom, Knowledge and Understanding. His Will be done ty and Love and shalom be with you brother. I Shawnas husband am asking.
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McClellan insults our Elohim and His Kindness and mercy, as if he can stand in judgment and is more moral than The Almighty. What a joke he is. guaranteed he'll change his mind when some day he will be standing or kneeling before him and His glorious Majesty and Righteousness!
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I find it very interesting that a common 'method' of interpretation or even plain reading of scripture by both 'athiests' and 'christians' is to make assumptions based on each one's dogma, doctrine or evil heart. Even if you do NOT have Emunah with YHWH, and think it all just a bunch of 'fables', you cannot come to certain conclusions regarding the character of YAH or His Son, Yahshua without creating 'narrative' contradictions.
HE GAVE THEM [UP] TO STATUTES THAT WHERE NOT GOOD
STATUTES OF THEIR OWN CHOOSING-THOSE NOT GIVEN AT SINAI BY [YAH]
BUT THE GOD OF ISRAEL IS SPEAKING UNTO AN ISRAELITE PROPHET TO ISRAELITES.
THERE IS NO INTERNATIONAL/UNIVERSAL AUDIENCE AND SHALL NEVER BE.
IF YE BE NOT ISRAELITE /HEBREW/JUDEAN THESE WRITINGS PERTAIN [NOT] TO YE.
Good teaching.
Deuteronomy is terms to live by and terms to die by. Yahweh begs Israel to chose the terms to live by.
Israel chose poorly and got the curses described in Deuteronomy instead of the blessings.
I defiled them vs I declared them defiled is so different that the only way to argue one over the other is context and usage of the verb Tame. The context of pronouncements of being defiled is ceremonial as you seemed to indicate with your example. Assuming a certain univocality, maybe this is the right interpretation.
This is confusing to me! The scholars you are quoting seem to go to great lengths to misinterpret scripture. To me that says they are scoffers, not believers, and I have no need to hear their opinions, nor does the Christian world, much less the Messianic world. Yeshua said “sufficient to the day is the evil thereof,” but these scoffers like to pile evil on evil.
No. God never demanded human sacrifices.
So, is the statutes that were not good likened to the ones He spoke through Jeremiah, for Israel to submit to the King of Babylon and pray for their welfare, that their welfare may be good as well?
Originally, they thought those commands were "not good" but it was still for Israel's betterment during their punishment/exile.
That is a really good God to be so kind to do that. And it also hints toward the message Jesus was conveying to pray for our persecutors and love our enemies. When we are being afflicted by them, we may consider those commandments "not good".
It all ties back to Deuteronomy. God pleades with Israel to chose to live by His laws and also gives them terms (statutes) by which if Israel chooses, Israel will die by. In Deuteronomy, God repeatedly pleads with Israel to choose to live by His statutes. He lays out the blessing (life) and the curse (death).
@@MrKook Oh... I just looked it up. The proper rendering of that verse in Ez. says He "gave them over" to the statutes and judgments that were not good, which was the outcome of their choices to follow other gods and not the torah. That makes sense. Some translations say "gave them over to" rather than just "gave them" ordinances that were not good. And some commentaries say it was the ordinances of the other nations that were "not good," apart from the consequences of following them.
@@MrKook Thank you, by the way. I greatly appreciate your comment.
Always thought the passage was in reference to the Oral Torah they use to circumvent the Law, which was developed in Babylon by the rabbinical priesthood. ????
Jesus himself followed the oral Torah. Jesus calls his followers to do as the Pharisees say. He does things that come from the oral law, like the wine cups at the Passover and many other things.
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If Yahusha followed the "oral law" he wouldn't have kept rebuking them and healing on the sabbath and letting his disciples eat grain from the field on the sabbath and eat with unwashed hands. Yahusha said do what they say because they read the TORAH on Sabbath. But do not what they do, because they don't do the Torah, they do their own oral law
@deweyfosworth7833 I think the passage is talking about that too
@@cherryblossom412 where did Jesus rebuke the Pharisees? You’re talking about the instance about the hand washing? The thing is it’s never said that Jesus didn’t do it, but some of his disciples. He also asked the Pharisees why they ALSO don’t keep the commandments of G-d, so he called hand washing also a commandment of G-d? Jesus had many many arguments with pharisaic rabbis, do you know why? Because he was very likely one of them. Those were his peers and that’s what Pharisees did. They argued a lot. If you look at the sadducees, Jesus never really argued with them, they were against rhetoric oral law and he saw them as a lost cause. Many things Jesus did come from the oral Torah, he also commanded his disciples to keep the oral Torah: Matthew 23:
Then spoke Jesus to the multitude and to His disciples,
2 saying, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do ye not according to their works; for they say, and do not.
Please have a different representative !
One component that was not considered here was whether the context of bad statutes could be the oral torah, or some part of it.
The claim is it came from Moses, and we know it's caused a lot of problems, twisting some commands that give life into those that do not bring life.
Also how the masculine and feminine words and all the identical words making parallels between 2 "laws" so to speak, one that helped them and another that didn't.
I'm not suggesting all the oral law is bad, but it's obvious that it's not all good either.
Considering Yeshua's harshness toward some of their traditions later, it doesn't surprise me at all to think Ezekiel knew about it too, obviously it was well before the era of the written mishna, again seems like that could have something to do with it.
Literally IN the Babylonian exile is where many of the traditions were codified. So it's not just a guess.
It kept leaping out at me as a possible consideration worthy of a relook.
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God allowed Israel to do their evil intentions,in order to receive the consequences
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