@SonicTheHedgehogX15 if sonic wants to change at best just a little bit like become less impatient and nore level-headed that's it! He would remain fundamentally the same.
I don’t know man. In Frontiers Sonic felt sorta too un-energetic. The voice direction wasn’t the greatest either but at least it’s a pretty good attempt
@@stephaniejohnson5361 I’m not a fan of them doing that but I can understand why. Especially in the movie trilogy as it’s great for introducing new fans and doing serialized stories instead of the relatively episodic nature of the games.
@@chaoticmeep I can agree on the lack of energy but that has nothing to do with learning, in fact he quite literally helped every character in that game develop just by being there and giving them a little push. Frontiers also has some of the rawest Sonic moments such as when he was in pain running up the towers almost fully drained of his strength. Yet he does it all with a smile in his face, without even second guessing himself. Dude was impressing Sage the entire game, but that's the one that made her see the light.
@@AtomicoMacaco TALK YOU SHIT MAN Gah I'm so emotional rn and I agree with this statement, frontiers is "a step in the right direction" as they say, because it started to try and go back to what sonic is all about, it wasn't perfect but it was there, I could feel it resonating within me, it was like seeing sonic, that force of nature that he is, come back and inspire me again after years of him gone 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
The reason why everyone’s really talking about the video, besides how good it is, is because he’s been gone for what *feels like years,* but has actually been _2 years_ if that makes sense His editing/animation style for presentations, ESPECIALLY the music choices, is SUPERB, Lythero actually left a comment on the vid that describes it very well He has a secondary acc where he released little amv’s, and by god does he cook I encourage you to react to the one titled “Wonder” with ITSV Peter B Parker
Let me put it like this: Sonic's that one unit in Fire Emblem games that's already Promoted, making him OP for as early in the game he's in. He's not going to change much throughout the game (not entirely true, Second Seal is a thing in some games, but even then, you're still probably better off using those on your regular units). He's just there to carry your other units as THEY develop and promote and gain Skills, and THEY can carry themselves and stand on their own.
i feel like if they run out of ideas, they could make sonic go through some shit and get real mad and use the chaos emeralds to go dark sonic, but then have the very same friends he helped and changed along the way break him out of it
This video was so good made me remember about time I was trying to make serialized sonic story. And I'm not gonna lie it was a long fun thought. but long story short the my fannmade is an exact clone of sonic that inspires to be as special as sonic but after some conflict and self exploration and some help from he learns that he doesn't have to be like sonic to feel like sonic. So he works on himself in his own way and he ends becoming a character that embodies "the importance of dreaming" or to dream itself. Ngl this thought was in my head for a long time and still is but I hope someday i get to write a story about the character
You don’t know how long I’ve been waiting for this dude to upload again. Y’all haven’t heard of this man cuz that’s the only thing he made last year 😭 But seriously, his stuff is so good, his edits are phenomenal and the way he articulates his thoughts are so well written that it makes it seem so obvious when you hear it.
I think it's funny how people can still find room to complain about Sonic's character. How he's written in games like Frontiers is a godsend after shit like Colors, Lost World, Forces, etc. Ya'll are never happy lmao.
"I wanna understand Sonic Lore, where do I start?!" Quick answer: you don't. If you really want a Sonic game: Generations + Frontiers (and some of the DS games too)
I hate this idea that sonic characters need to grow and mature... like when does it end?? how old are they gonna get? i miss when they were silly teenagers who liked doing cool shit, i don't want them to "grow up" it's dumb.
So you just want them to go back to being boring one dimensional characters like the 2010 era? what is this super Mario?, sonic stories wouldn't be as amazing as they are if these characters weren't given so much depth and growth, plus they've literally been doing that since the adventure games this ain't a new thing
Think my entire comment got deleted so yeah. So eff it, cliff notes. I should do my own essay one day. Might be better anyway. Loremaster is good not in a narrative and franchise sense, but in development of future and expansion of past stuff. Shadow Gens is a result making sure his lore is right, and keeps stuff like Frontiers to make our cast sound like this isn't their first rodeo. Gotta make sure no BIG conflicts, ya know? Sonic's Character Role is on point in this video, Don't even realize how much the games follow that formula and why when some media and games break the balance for him(06, 2010s) it comes off extra cheesy or dumb. Partly why I get annoyed when people say Sonic and GOku are the same when they really aren't for their each other's worlds. Sonic incites change and inspiration for it. The World incites Goku and his friends to change IT. Goku's been doing better in Super doing this when Toriyama writes for him in Broly and Daima. Goku has a goal in the adventure! Sonic does not, it just happens. Prime almost had this good, but they broke the balance making it all about Sonic's guilt and this random Hero complex. Prime shoulda been using Sonic to JUSTIFY these worlds and work that towards his finale with Nine. Something like "Don't lock yourself away from the world. Let me help you feel free to be comfortable who you are to find a friend and new adventures!" SINCE THATS BASICALLY WHY HIM AND TAILS BONDED! Prove to show the Iconic bond we never actually saw happen on Screen and why Sonic and Tails are the Mario and Luigi against Eggman.
@@ProjectSparky Who are they who fumbled the bag for the past 10 years? Do you mean the Japanese writers from the 2000s era of Sonic or the writers we have been getting since 2010?
@@calebgoodman3028 We are talking about the writers, not the developers. When it comes to Sonic Team (the developers) yeah they are not the most competent developers. Some sections of Sonic Team are even more incompetent than the other. Particularly Morio Kishimoto and the members of the Sonic Team who made Sonic and the Secret Rings, Sonic and the Black Knight, Sonic Colors, Lost World, Forces, and Frontiers. Yeah, as you can see, not a good track record. While it's true that the members of Sonic Team that made the games mentioned above did make Shadow Generations which was good, Morio Kishimoto wasn't a director of that game which is probably for the best.
Al be cookin’. I learned about him from Fadel’s AMV contests. Legit only thing I disagreed with him in that video was specifically gassing Sonic/Elise’s “story” in 06 because fuck that lmfao but otherwise awesome video/analysis from him and dope reaction from you 🫡.
@@LocalTrapTV the other thing is I’m happy that SEGA/Sonic Team (finally) caring about continuity, consistency, canon and etc because storytelling and writing do matter and Sonic isn’t a series like Mario that doesn’t try to have any story or narrative HOWEVER, and Al said this, Sonic doesn’t RELY on it because this isn’t a serialized series with an end. The continuity is a bonus, not the main focus, and because of that you can hop in and enjoy it whenever because it’s cool and lore and everything else is a bonus. I feel the problem now is that they’re trying to make it the focus instead of the bonus. Like take Prime, Flynn said he and the lore team TOLD them that shit would not fit and to just let it be it’s own thing and according to him they said “nah make it canon anyway” and look what happened a damn disaster 😂. Anyway enough of my yappin’
Im not gonna hold you Trap. I might temporarily stop playing sonic games for a bit. Which is crazy because i never thought id ever say something like that but im very passionate about characterization. An entire game can be TRASH but ill be happy as long as my boys act like the boys i know and you can just imagine how much stronger that feeling is when i tell you sonics my 2nd favorite character in fiction. Frontiers was a good direction but he lacked the carefree energy and finesse dark age sonic had. The movies make him a joke, the shows make him a joke. The comics, i dont even know. I just cant take it anymore. The only thing i liked him in recently is dream team. Still not as good as dark age but way better. I cant stand seeing my heros butchered so yeah, i might pull back for a few years since sonic games come out once every 3 years IoI. And i know this shouldnt mean so much to me. But it does. So it is what it is. Great reaction.
Correct me if im wrong in frontiers he completely lost his sauce and edge and instead he's kinda soft like he's too nice and friendly now if that make any sense..like he still remained that cockiness and confidence abit but he doesn't have that sauce and edge anymore he's too nice now if that make any sense. Same thing in IDW he still has that cockiness, confident and such but...he's abit too nice. Like his edges kinda soften down.
Kinda. Frontiers somehow was contradicory. He was both too nice and overly anxiety ridden. Thats why some ppI make jokes that hes depressed in frontiers. Barely any quips, barely any of that signature sonic grin. Like WHO IS THIS DUDE BRO!? Lemme calm down IoI. And listen sonic does get like that sometimes like at the end of unleashed before the final fight, he told chip to run. That was one of the few times where sonic was really feeling the weight of the situation but frontiers just overdid it imo. He wasnt even sonic anymore. Only moments i liked with him is when amy told him to becareful and then sonic looped back around to respond to her and his reaction after dodging the saucer from knight. And maybe some moments with him and sage but its just as you said. That signature sauce? That edge? That ATTITUDE just isnt there anymore man...its just not there anymore man.
Also i wanna be clear, i think the movies are great. Its just the character i dont like. TaiIs is goated, knuckIes is alright too. I still like game knuckles more and his friendship with sonic in the games. But Sonic himself. Ugh. I think shadow was the best done for the sole fact he wasnt over the top moody and emo. Shadows another character that ive grown to not like recently but thats another topic for another day
@@justinholmes1214ngl it sound like you complaining to much. While you can point some flaws here and there it just sounds like you complaining and severely downgrading some portrayals of these characters
Sonic changes only *a little bit* because he's static. He can become a bit more patient and less impulsive but overall he stays the same because he doesn't need to change. Also I don't think he's more empathetic now, he just lost his edge.
Just adding to the replies to this comment, you can't call a change in character writing "development" when none of the development is shown to us. Development is something we're supposed to see. You don't go from A, then skip B, to get to C. It's like saying the moon not being broken in games after SA2 is because it got fixed off screen. That's the definition of inconsistency/intentional change in direction.
Ive come to the conclusion.
Dont write Sonic like Spiderman, write him like Uncle Grandpa.
Idk what this means but somehow I feel like you’re spitting
A chaotic force
@ yea pretty similar. another character is also the cat in the hat and also sonic team's own nights into dreams
That is actually perfect.
Is that a joke?
13:40 good point Sonic never changes he's static but...his cast of friends are the ones are allowed to change and growth not Sonic himself.
Fr
Like sonic should learn and stuff but not change, only get better
@SonicTheHedgehogX15 if sonic wants to change at best just a little bit like become less impatient and nore level-headed that's it! He would remain fundamentally the same.
I really wish they write Sonic as a force of nature again instead of making him learn shit he already learnt
he was a force of nature in frontiers. It's only the movies and tv shows where sonic has to learn
I don’t know man. In Frontiers Sonic felt sorta too un-energetic. The voice direction wasn’t the greatest either but at least it’s a pretty good attempt
@@stephaniejohnson5361 I’m not a fan of them doing that but I can understand why. Especially in the movie trilogy as it’s great for introducing new fans and doing serialized stories instead of the relatively episodic nature of the games.
@@chaoticmeep I can agree on the lack of energy but that has nothing to do with learning, in fact he quite literally helped every character in that game develop just by being there and giving them a little push. Frontiers also has some of the rawest Sonic moments such as when he was in pain running up the towers almost fully drained of his strength. Yet he does it all with a smile in his face, without even second guessing himself. Dude was impressing Sage the entire game, but that's the one that made her see the light.
@@AtomicoMacaco TALK YOU SHIT MAN
Gah I'm so emotional rn and I agree with this statement, frontiers is "a step in the right direction" as they say, because it started to try and go back to what sonic is all about, it wasn't perfect but it was there, I could feel it resonating within me, it was like seeing sonic, that force of nature that he is, come back and inspire me again after years of him gone 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
The reason why everyone’s really talking about the video, besides how good it is, is because he’s been gone for what *feels like years,* but has actually been _2 years_ if that makes sense
His editing/animation style for presentations, ESPECIALLY the music choices, is SUPERB, Lythero actually left a comment on the vid that describes it very well
He has a secondary acc where he released little amv’s, and by god does he cook
I encourage you to react to the one titled “Wonder” with ITSV Peter B Parker
Let me put it like this:
Sonic's that one unit in Fire Emblem games that's already Promoted, making him OP for as early in the game he's in. He's not going to change much throughout the game (not entirely true, Second Seal is a thing in some games, but even then, you're still probably better off using those on your regular units). He's just there to carry your other units as THEY develop and promote and gain Skills, and THEY can carry themselves and stand on their own.
So, Sonic is a Jagen? Wow, that is a good way to describe it...
There's so many peak Sonic videos from AlTheGoat 🙏🙏🙏
Might have to tap in to some moreeeeee
Just a perfect video, it’s difficult to even put into words just how perfect it is🥹
9:10 Mathew McConaughey said that
this video is exactly why al the boi is one of my favourite youtubers
If you want a good video imo AL’s video about leitmotifs in sonic games. It’s fr one of my favorite videos on UA-cam.
i feel like if they run out of ideas, they could make sonic go through some shit and get real mad and use the chaos emeralds to go dark sonic, but then have the very same friends he helped and changed along the way break him out of it
Oh god, FINALLY. I’ve been searching long and far for somebody to react to this video!!
OH MY GOSH HE COOKED! THANK YOU (for showing me this) I'M SUBBED (to him and you)
GOATTTT
Al the boy has never missed, his editing is fantastic!
Altheboi makes such peak videos, absolute cinema
My soul sinks every time I see the Archie comic cover of Sonic crying over Sally marrying another man.
May I please have a timestamp?
This video was so good made me remember about time I was trying to make serialized sonic story. And I'm not gonna lie it was a long fun thought. but long story short the my fannmade is an exact clone of sonic that inspires to be as special as sonic but after some conflict and self exploration and some help from he learns that he doesn't have to be like sonic to feel like sonic. So he works on himself in his own way and he ends becoming a character that embodies "the importance of dreaming" or to dream itself. Ngl this thought was in my head for a long time and still is but I hope someday i get to write a story about the character
6:09 They gave that kid of lesson to Lightning Mcqueen from Cars, being a race car and all
the year just started but sonic videos are already peak!
if you liked this one react to his other videos AL doesnt miss
You don’t know how long I’ve been waiting for this dude to upload again. Y’all haven’t heard of this man cuz that’s the only thing he made last year 😭
But seriously, his stuff is so good, his edits are phenomenal and the way he articulates his thoughts are so well written that it makes it seem so obvious when you hear it.
I think it's funny how people can still find room to complain about Sonic's character. How he's written in games like Frontiers is a godsend after shit like Colors, Lost World, Forces, etc.
Ya'll are never happy lmao.
Right I was so glad they went back to the serious tone I couldn't stand what they did to sonics character in the colors era
Why should we be complacent with something that could ultimately still be a lot better
Ngl
I recently played chronicles
Gameplay sucks but I love the vocab and interactions it fits them to near perfection
Sonamy was well written too
That game is written like fanfiction, what are you on about?
@ its perfect
That’s the shit man, this perfectly explains why Sonic is awesome.
4:47 Manga Sonic/Nikki sitting in the corner
That's also happened in the Rush games too 24:36
AL the goat
"I wanna understand Sonic Lore, where do I start?!"
Quick answer: you don't.
If you really want a Sonic game: Generations + Frontiers (and some of the DS games too)
27:17 Especiallly the Werehog?
Im saying this as the #1 Frontiers glazer I dont care bout sage dawg 😭😭😭
Watch Al’s Eggman Unleashed video
We need a Sonic Heroes remake
ah...this video i did watched it like the way he edit these videos is great like the style is good.
I hate this idea that sonic characters need to grow and mature... like when does it end?? how old are they gonna get? i miss when they were silly teenagers who liked doing cool shit, i don't want them to "grow up" it's dumb.
So you just want them to go back to being boring one dimensional characters like the 2010 era? what is this super Mario?, sonic stories wouldn't be as amazing as they are if these characters weren't given so much depth and growth, plus they've literally been doing that since the adventure games this ain't a new thing
Bro you need to watch sonic paradox's sonic legacy comic dub, it's sonic paradox's fancomic
im so glad u watched this. Its pretty good.
It was sum special 🙂↕️
This dude was spitting🔥
Think my entire comment got deleted so yeah. So eff it, cliff notes. I should do my own essay one day. Might be better anyway.
Loremaster is good not in a narrative and franchise sense, but in development of future and expansion of past stuff. Shadow Gens is a result making sure his lore is right, and keeps stuff like Frontiers to make our cast sound like this isn't their first rodeo. Gotta make sure no BIG conflicts, ya know?
Sonic's Character Role is on point in this video, Don't even realize how much the games follow that formula and why when some media and games break the balance for him(06, 2010s) it comes off extra cheesy or dumb. Partly why I get annoyed when people say Sonic and GOku are the same when they really aren't for their each other's worlds.
Sonic incites change and inspiration for it. The World incites Goku and his friends to change IT. Goku's been doing better in Super doing this when Toriyama writes for him in Broly and Daima. Goku has a goal in the adventure! Sonic does not, it just happens.
Prime almost had this good, but they broke the balance making it all about Sonic's guilt and this random Hero complex. Prime shoulda been using Sonic to JUSTIFY these worlds and work that towards his finale with Nine.
Something like "Don't lock yourself away from the world. Let me help you feel free to be comfortable who you are to find a friend and new adventures!" SINCE THATS BASICALLY WHY HIM AND TAILS BONDED! Prove to show the Iconic bond we never actually saw happen on Screen and why Sonic and Tails are the Mario and Luigi against Eggman.
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The moral of the story: Don't replace Japanese writers with American ones. You may not agree with me, but Sonic is fundamentally Japanese.
Yet they were the ones who fumbled the bag for the past 10 years.
@@ProjectSparky Who are they who fumbled the bag for the past 10 years? Do you mean the Japanese writers from the 2000s era of Sonic or the writers we have been getting since 2010?
@@alexandrpeterberg390Keep in mind the games that flopped the most in Sonics history were from Japanese developers.
@@calebgoodman3028 We are talking about the writers, not the developers. When it comes to Sonic Team (the developers) yeah they are not the most competent developers. Some sections of Sonic Team are even more incompetent than the other. Particularly Morio Kishimoto and the members of the Sonic Team who made Sonic and the Secret Rings, Sonic and the Black Knight, Sonic Colors, Lost World, Forces, and Frontiers. Yeah, as you can see, not a good track record.
While it's true that the members of Sonic Team that made the games mentioned above did make Shadow Generations which was good, Morio Kishimoto wasn't a director of that game which is probably for the best.
@ Well I would have to disagree then since I prefer Ian Flynn’s writing for the games.
Al has so many peak videos bro, just to into any of em tbh
Bet🫡
🎉
Al be cookin’. I learned about him from Fadel’s AMV contests. Legit only thing I disagreed with him in that video was specifically gassing Sonic/Elise’s “story” in 06 because fuck that lmfao but otherwise awesome video/analysis from him and dope reaction from you 🫡.
Nah if elise if executed properly would of been cool but shitty romance between a human and hedgehog is NOT IT Lmaooo
@@LocalTrapTV the other thing is I’m happy that SEGA/Sonic Team (finally) caring about continuity, consistency, canon and etc because storytelling and writing do matter and Sonic isn’t a series like Mario that doesn’t try to have any story or narrative HOWEVER, and Al said this, Sonic doesn’t RELY on it because this isn’t a serialized series with an end. The continuity is a bonus, not the main focus, and because of that you can hop in and enjoy it whenever because it’s cool and lore and everything else is a bonus. I feel the problem now is that they’re trying to make it the focus instead of the bonus. Like take Prime, Flynn said he and the lore team TOLD them that shit would not fit and to just let it be it’s own thing and according to him they said “nah make it canon anyway” and look what happened a damn disaster 😂. Anyway enough of my yappin’
Im not gonna hold you Trap. I might temporarily stop playing sonic games for a bit. Which is crazy because i never thought id ever say something like that but im very passionate about characterization. An entire game can be TRASH but ill be happy as long as my boys act like the boys i know and you can just imagine how much stronger that feeling is when i tell you sonics my 2nd favorite character in fiction. Frontiers was a good direction but he lacked the carefree energy and finesse dark age sonic had. The movies make him a joke, the shows make him a joke. The comics, i dont even know. I just cant take it anymore. The only thing i liked him in recently is dream team. Still not as good as dark age but way better. I cant stand seeing my heros butchered so yeah, i might pull back for a few years since sonic games come out once every 3 years IoI. And i know this shouldnt mean so much to me. But it does. So it is what it is. Great reaction.
Correct me if im wrong in frontiers he completely lost his sauce and edge and instead he's kinda soft like he's too nice and friendly now if that make any sense..like he still remained that cockiness and confidence abit but he doesn't have that sauce and edge anymore he's too nice now if that make any sense.
Same thing in IDW he still has that cockiness, confident and such but...he's abit too nice.
Like his edges kinda soften down.
Kinda. Frontiers somehow was contradicory. He was both too nice and overly anxiety ridden. Thats why some ppI make jokes that hes depressed in frontiers. Barely any quips, barely any of that signature sonic grin. Like WHO IS THIS DUDE BRO!? Lemme calm down IoI. And listen sonic does get like that sometimes like at the end of unleashed before the final fight, he told chip to run. That was one of the few times where sonic was really feeling the weight of the situation but frontiers just overdid it imo. He wasnt even sonic anymore. Only moments i liked with him is when amy told him to becareful and then sonic looped back around to respond to her and his reaction after dodging the saucer from knight. And maybe some moments with him and sage but its just as you said. That signature sauce? That edge? That ATTITUDE just isnt there anymore man...its just not there anymore man.
Also i wanna be clear, i think the movies are great. Its just the character i dont like. TaiIs is goated, knuckIes is alright too. I still like game knuckles more and his friendship with sonic in the games. But Sonic himself. Ugh. I think shadow was the best done for the sole fact he wasnt over the top moody and emo. Shadows another character that ive grown to not like recently but thats another topic for another day
@@justinholmes1214ngl it sound like you complaining to much. While you can point some flaws here and there it just sounds like you complaining and severely downgrading some portrayals of these characters
@@rickyronny4019Nah it sounds like he has an opinion and he is expressing it. Which is justifiable
Sonic does change, just not as character development. He's far more mature and empathetic now. Look at Sonic from adventure 1 to Dream Team.
What you’re describing is inconsistency with character portrayal than actual maturing. Plus Sonic was empathetic WAYYYY before Dream team happened lol
Sonic changes only *a little bit* because he's static. He can become a bit more patient and less impulsive but overall he stays the same because he doesn't need to change. Also I don't think he's more empathetic now, he just lost his edge.
@ factuality👆🏽
Just adding to the replies to this comment, you can't call a change in character writing "development" when none of the development is shown to us.
Development is something we're supposed to see. You don't go from A, then skip B, to get to C. It's like saying the moon not being broken in games after SA2 is because it got fixed off screen.
That's the definition of inconsistency/intentional change in direction.
peep AL's video on sonic Leitmotfs. thats the og video i watched and i was hooked ever since