This MAD Sister Of Catherine Of Aragon Refused To BURY Her Husband...
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- One of the most tragic wives of King Henry VIII was his first wife Catherine of Aragon, who despite being married to the infamous Tudor Monarch for the longest, was shunned and dumped out of her house and marriage with shocking brutality. She was banned from seeing her daughter, the future Mary I all because the King was obsessed with Anne Boleyn and his quest to divorce and annul his marriage with Catherine. The Tudor Monarch treated Catherine awfully, and she died practically under house arrest living out her final years in complete misery and solitude. But she had a sister who became the nominal Queen of Castile and Queen of Aragon who despite being incredibly powerful in Spain became known in history as Joanna the Mad. But what is the story behind the madness of Catherine of Aragon’s sister?
The story of Juana and Philip's corpse is another legendary exaggeration. Her idea was to follow Philip's wishes and have him buried with Isabel at Granada. At the time of Philip's death, in late fall, Juana and the court were in the north of Spain and had to make the long hard journey down to Granada. The traveling by night and with the restrictions of women are all in line with mourning traditions of the time. She opened the coffin three times, not continually; once because of a rumor the body had been stolen; twice for reasons aligned with religious practices at the time. The long journey was also a strategy to break away from the regency of Cisneros. The legend of the corpse is only a legend, and based on misinformation, both accidental and deliberate.
Thank you for all the real facts I greatly appreciate it
You go Marie … like how you just set everyone straight on this ‘history’
@@rebeccamiskovic2872 Thanks! Glad it's helping or at least opening up discussion.
@@doonewatts7155 So glad to hear that. History is filled with questions, but there's been some investigation of primary documentation over the last few generations which should be taking the place of some of these older beliefs.
I have heard that too, regarding the body. Also, having Phillip buried in Granada as a king helped her children politically as far as sustaining their succession.
I think Juana is misunderstood and misrepresented. She was a devoted mother who wanted to give her kids the best shot. She put her own needs aside for her family and country.
I doubt Joanna was " mad."
Right, she was a woman that two powerful men wanted out of the way.
There is documented affection between Juana and Isabel during Isabel's lifetime; and Juana, as much as she could, based her aborted rule on her mother's. Also in addition, there is no indication of Juana's skepticism toward religion until after her marriage, just as there is no indication of her madness until it was broadcast by Philip after Juana became heir apparent.
Please stop perpetuating the story of Isabel's torturing Juana for her beliefs: this story is based on a letter written by the Marques of Denia to Charles V, in 1520 or 21, more than 2 decades after the story Denia is telling, and is being used to justify the treatment he is giving to Juana. There is no contemporary report on this sort of treatment from Isabel to Juana; and foreign ambassadors, such as Roger Machado, ambassador to England, would have been very happy to report this sort of gossip to their masters. This is a legend, and one based on extremely suspect sources.
And yet it was reported. Which makes it interesting.
@@cwtao Interesting, but considering the source and the length of time between the supposed event and the reporting of it, highly questionable.
Knowing what I do about Isabella, I find it totally believable. The woman invented the inquisition and we all know how much fun that was.
Do you have any proof or source material?
@@cwtao Isabel has a lot to answer for, the Inquisition being only part of it. But she should answer for what she is responsible for, not for anything she did not do.
Contemporary accounts, foreign included, document her fondness for all her children. No contemporary documentation says anything about her mistreating any of them, and a foreign ambassador would have been quick to do so.
In addition, it is impractical treatment for a young woman intended to be used as marriageable: to be hung by ropes, with weights, is to cause severe physical damage, endangering pregnancy possibilities, among other things. It would be foolish, as well as cruel.
Never realized until comparatively recently that Juana so called the mad was Catherine of Aragon's sister.There is another story that when Henry VII of England was widowed and his son Arthur died Henry entertained the thought of marrying his son's widow Catherine of Aragon himself but Catherine's mother Isabella tried to deflect his attention away by suggesting the widowed queen of Sicily instead and envoys were sent to Sicily to investigate but nothing came of this eventually and Arthur's brother married Catherine and the rest as they say is history.
I've never believed that she was crazy. I always thought it was gaslighting.
Same... To me, she looks like someone who needed help, suffering with the pressure she was under, with the amount of tragedies she had to endure and with her husband's behavior... Needing help, she found only judgment and abuse.
She could have suffered from Borderline or Bipolar disorder. The symptoms usually get triggered under the circumstances she had to go through.
@@di3486 Yea but, those disorders don't make her crazy and they aren't constant.
She was made out as if she was just a bat shit crazy woman her whole life and she lived a long one for those days.
@@HabrenOdinsdottir the word “crazy” or “mad” is on the context of medieval times. There was no psychiatry back then. She was definitely not good mentally.
My take is if you treat a person as a monster, they will become one. I think this is what happened with Joanna. They treated her as a mad woman and sadly spiralt to become one. If I would constantly be told I was mad by everyone (including husband, farther and son) I would have fits of rage and later just give up on life myself
She still managed to hold on to her throne till her death!
FYI: the portrait of the beautiful blonde woman in red is not the Juana under discussion but another Juana of Aragon, based in Italy.
Just based on what I've read about her before it seems like she may have had severe PTSD or Bipolar I, they can present similarly (I have both for example).
I imagine just being a royal, especially a woman, at that time could cause it. The beginning root cause of mine was my dad being a cop in a dangerous city.
Imagine growing up, not knowing if the man you'll be given to will be kind or not? Knowing you'll be expected to produce heirs until you can't or you die from the process? Knowing there's a good chance many of those children will die. Then imagine suddenly having the throne and all it's responsibility when you never were supposed to, and having to fight your own father for it.
I know, in my personal case, I didn't sleep or eat while my dad was dying (12 days), I have control issues, and can have outbursts when confronted or questioned. My sister, who also has ptsd, has psychosis as a symptom, which means she hears and sees things, which could be seen as schizophrenia (it's not. We have schizophrenic relatives, but if you just heard reports I could see where you might think it).
Just a thought. (Sorry, working on my masters in psychology lol)
Thank you
Sorry about your sister I hope she gets better
@@julietm5267 thank you. The psychosis has seemed to subside quite a bit since one of our major triggers hasn't been in our lives in about half a year (our brother. If you mixed a drug addict and a viking berserker, you'd have our brother). He's off actually getting help now, and hopefully that will help us all.
@@SessaV I know that must be a lot but I’m happy he is getting help keep your head up 🤍
@@julietm5267 thank you, we're trying!
I don't think she was mad at all. She was disgraced by her husband and father. She was intelligent and smart woman of her time. She deserves much more credit and appreciation in history. She's being defamed unnecessarily.
Please do a video about Countess Ermesinde of Luxembourg! An obscure but fascinating and pioneering female ruler in the Middle Ages
She never got to Granada with Philip. She was forestalled by Fernando's arrival and her incarceration at Tordesillas. Philip was placed at the nearby convent at Tordesillas (where Juana, incidentally, not often allowed to visit) and was only placed at Granada in 1525.
Thank you for another great video!! I enjoy them all appreciate your facts and knowledge
Thank you for sharing on these videos with us. They are all so interesting. I will be binge on them today 😊
Honestly, I am not sure why this video is titled in this manner. Joana of Castille is known in her own right. So why is her relationship to Catherine of Aragon so prominent in this video? I am a bit appalled that Henry the VIII and Catherine are even mentioned before Joanna.
As is mentioned in so many other comments, Joanna is not mad. This is perpetuating a lot of rumors.
She was probably the only sane person in that family besides her sister Catherine
I always enjoy your videos
So much misinformation. This is not history but hearsay. Please do proper research before throwing this out on UA-cam. There is a certain responsibility that comes with sharing information as fact.
Thank you.
If she really did love her husband that much and her mom really did torture her she’s not mad. She’s a victim of abuse and her husband having affairs didn’t help her
Sigh.... When i first started watching your videos, this channel wss still getting its sub numbers up and was so passionate about hiatory, and dedication to telling facts with hard work and research, but now its rather idk bashing dead ppl with rumors really it's kinda gotten more disappointing seeing how some creaters choose to push out videos faster with less accuracy and less time less research, rather than be dedicated to actual telling history.
I feel the same I’ve felt for a few months now the videos are rushed and factually incorrect more often than correct sadly it seems more of a quantity over quality. I used to enjoy the channel but I have become quite infuriated with the intentions and direction the channel has gone in. It feels more like a “history gossip channel” much like todays media channels based on lies, twisted truths and gossip mongering with little to no facts to back them not to mention the haphazard and half a**ed attempts of pronunciation and forced narration. I have tried to continue watching hoping that maybe it’s just a teething issue but I’m seriously considering unsubscribing 😞
Yup like claiming the princes in the tower were murdered by their uncle.
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I cant say I wouldn't have done the same in media times if I was traveling with my husband
I've never heard her called Joanna before.
Because her name is Juana of Castile.
@@sophiarose7610 "Juana" is not pronounced "Joanna." The J is a sort of hw sound.
To clarify you must add that she, Catherine, was betrothed to Henry's brother. She was forced upon Henry as much as he to her. There was never love or attraction according to contemporaries. Just forced relationship. Never a good thing to start with. She suffered yes. But that was, one would think, because the lack of choice, age difference and and the unevenness of their relationship.
I have often wondered what would have happened if Catherine of Aragon had come back after King Henry VIII left her for Anne Boleyn. I wonder if she would have been put away in the palace as though she never existed. Just like they did to Juana.
It sure sucked ti be a woman in those days. You were married away to whomever your parents thought would help them achieve more power. Or you could die during childbirth. You never seemed to have a right to rule because there were people willing to kill you or say you were crazy all because they felt a woman wasn’t fit to rule. Although Queen Isabella proved that wrong. Along with Queen Elizabeth I .
But then I wouldn’t want to be a man and have to fight in their wars. With those swords.
I guess I’m happy to live during the times I live in 😂
Hehehe first! I love ur vids!!! They r so interesting :D
This is all wrong please do more research before doing a video
This is all so wrong. I would be so happy to support you but I have serious doubts on the sources used here and you telling them as truth. It actually makes me doubt anything I watched from you, because I believed you did proper research and now that has been disproven. Anyways, the age old lesson bit me again, don't believe anything on the internet🤣
Can you give a couple of examples? I'm not defending an author in any way, just being curious
You mean Queen Juana?
This is all bullshit. Respect Juana, she was not mad, she was abused by men.
seems to me that perhaps she had poor emotional regulation for the times, too passionate in her nature. In today's world she wouldve been recognised as someone who deeply loved her hubby and was jealous/insecure due to his affairs. Paranoia can and has been created in people through traumatic experiences and she certainly had enough reason to fear for her life in those latter days imo. I do not think we today would consider her insane