What David Cameron's return means for Israel-Palestine
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- Has prime minister of Spain Pedro Sanchez behaved undemocratically? What does David Cameron's appointment as Foreign Secretary mean for the UK's policy towards Israel and Palestine? What happened at the pro-Palestinian and against-antisemitism marches?
Rory and Alastair discuss all this and more in today's episode of The Rest is Politics.
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This is fast becoming one of my favorite podcasts on UA-cam. I'm am American very interested in politics... So thanks for what you guys are doing.
Agree 💯
It's one of my favourites as well
They are incredibly well informed. Balls and Osbourn can **** off.
American listener as well. For variety of circumstances, yesterday's emergency podcast was the first one I'd listened to in many weeks. Hoping to get back into TRIP. Conversation, analysis, perspectives, all A+.
European here and I too am shocked how good the information is presented in this podcast. I guess the fact that there is civility in the discussion it does not attract the pointless hyper chaotic banter of more childish podcasters. Been watching a bunch of Destiny and Hasan videos over a few months and youtube has finally decided to recommend something better.
Rory for Foreign Secretary under a Labour government? Yes Please.
David Lammy to stay FS. one of labours best
I could see that.
Could Rory join the Lib Dems?
Would need to be a member of the Labour Party (I think?)
@@JoBroughton-yw7un😂😂😂
Honestly it's really refreshing to see politicians (or former, anyway 😅) speak in very detailed and intellectual manners about nuanced topics, not worrying about being soundbite-able for the electorate. Very interesting listening!
They are not running for office or in office or that influential as it were to be soundbited. They are not electioneering here.
You seeing some of the Best of British thinking. But unfortunately we don't have that right now in the UK or US.
@@mandarinandthetenrings2201 Rory can retreat to Yale, I've a residual onus from an International Organisation I closed.
Rory was always an intellectual politician - probably in part why he didn't succeed in the current populist culture.
Rory would have been a far better choice for UK Foreign Secretary.
There is no way he'd play patsy to Sunak.
So would Campbell!! Lololol 😀😀
@@JelMain Sunak would have feared for his job if Brexit had not been an issue in the Tory Party.
I don’t know. He def an apologist for him.
@@annettekearney9798 I do know. Rory was starting to discuss a project with me in 2017, when we were ripped apart by Boris on the rise. I'm probably the original weirdo and misfit - we call ourselves Neurodivergents. I'd done quite a blinder shortly beforehand, roughly the equivalent work of one ministry-year in six hours live time, landing a significant diplomatic deal, and removing any doubt about the record in my security dossier. There aren't that many in the world able to deliver at that level, and I was actually under study by some top shrinks at the time, because of my claims to a decent share of the 2012 Nobel Peace Prize. You'll have heard of their thinking from Dominic Cummings a couple of weeks back, Boris discovered he was a numpty in charge of numpties, and they needed folk like me - but there was no way I'd volunteer, particularly on the slavery terms in the job description. In particular, in completing Gandhi's unfinished business, I'd laid the ground rules for Rory's work in the area.
Rory's his own man, but this much I know: neither of us want to ever deal with Parliament again. Boris destroyed the heritage, and the quality people once produced by our education system were dumped by the diagnoses of ADHD and ASD popularised in the 1970s. Add in demand from rich foreigners, and rich parents of donkeys, and the competence of the First Division has become disastrous.
I just love Alastair Campbell's impression of Jacob Rees-Mogg from 8:14 to 8:28, it's so entertaining yet spot-on and informative about the different responses to David Cameron's return to the Cabinet!
I’m a British Muslim expat living overseas and even rarely when I disagree with both of you, this is by miles still my favourite podcast and political discussion in any format.
It's impossible to disagree with BOTH of them. They're so NICE 👍🙂.
Atifraza sorry but you are not an expat but an immigrant unless you have been sent by your company for one or two years
@@miakeogh6844 It depends which country he's in. There are some countries where you can't "immigrate" but you can "work" until you get fired (or tell your Sheikh to "stick it where the sun don't shine ☀️" 🤣).
Then you get taken to the airport with your wife and kids and given your passport(s) back as you get on the plane (but you knew that, didn't you Mia 👍😀? Think "Rwanda Programme", it's a bit like that).
@@miakeogh6844 I never got that memo .. anyway this podcast is still the best way m to stay in touch with Britain and its politics .
I'm so depress you can see what British politicians can be but what it has just degenerated not only in the UK but around world. I guess the old saying is true. "Every dog has it's day!".
First time listener after reading Rory's book! Hope Rory goes back into the deep one day!
I love the way Rory's sincerity shines through his smile, the way he grins like a crocodile for a split second and then immediately seems to forget there was anything to smile about. That's the key to being genuine. 🤣🤣
Another great video by rory and Alistair wish every politician was like this honest straight talking honest and very informative keep up the good work
I've just discover by chance this channel. I'm an Italian citizen but I like to understand what is going on in British politics. I'm also an English learner and want to get familiar with different British accents. I love the way you discuss calmly and with a great knowledge about the political situation in UK. Thank you so much fro your remarkable work.
Been listening to these podcasts for years, its a moment of clarity, in hands down the maddest most chaotic, political times in this country, it has to stop, we have to find some kind of moral path, the corruption and accountability is off the scale.
32:55 I’ve been waiting for Rory to suggest that he could be part of Labour. Please someone make him an offer. Such a brilliant man. I am also trying to imagine Cameron and Sunak’s face if he did become shadow foreign Secretary! This UA-cam channel is superb, honest and well balanced. Thank you.
Couldn’t agree more! Sunak and Cameron’s faces would convey an awkward look of indigestion I imagine, since they would know they’ve been totally outclassed!
These podcasts could be played in secondary schools for points of discussion and to show how to have reasoned, informed and friendly conversations around sensitive political issues.
How did we end up with Boris over Rory??? Intelligent, Well informed and a seems like a decent person.
I used to love politics but the current political and economic climate really put me off. I found your podcast last year while on my placement year and I loved it, and now I love politics again too... Thank you 😊
Thanks to Rory and Alastair for increasingly good political podcasts. You're giving watchers far more balanced insight and knowledge to what's really going on in politics. Please keep going.
At 8:50
Hé says Cameron looks prime ministerial and Sunak in he’s white shirt looks like a peasant Indian railway tea boy
I think that’s what he was trying to say! Racists!
I'd watch it, but Campbell is absolutely insufferable. A washed up dipso who was never even elected.
Amazing conversations each time. I'm addicted.
I have two new hopes. Firstly, that Starmer watches this podcast. Second, that Rory was only half joking about being Prime Minister Keir Starmer's first Foreign Secretary. Sharp minded, world wise, and honest. Lord Stewart gets my vote, even from my leftist position.
I like Rory, he's "A Serious Man" and I could easily have a few pints with him. But he's still a tory. If you want a competent outsider as FS then look no further than David Miliband. I once watched him in committee for 3 hours explaining European legislation and his command of detail was incredible. David would have been a great Labour leader and PM. I know the work he does now is important and useful but the UK has lost a great talent IMO.
I love this podcast which is unusual because both Alastair and Rory are QUALIFIED to provide content and analysis upon which we can rely. Furthermore they exemplify Public Service - an ethos which is endangered under the current Tory "set-up".
getting relevant texts from relevant people in the middle of the show is something you will only find here! so many podcasts (especially political ones) are run by people with literally 0 real world experience. This show is very refreshing
New statesman podcast comes to mind with its cast of 25 year old political editors.
For me, the highlight of Cameron’s career was when he resigned.
🤔what about that 7 million that fell in his lap🤔
Cameron's most important mistake of all was hubris around Brexit, not campaigning effectively and simply not seeing that the Brexit referendum would be used by a significant number of people as just another opportunity for a mid-term "eff-you" vote. The mid-term protest factor wasn't picked up in the polls and was enough to tip the balance.
Ah, democracy, messy isn't it.
We specialize in Fake and Fraudulent De-Mockary .
Glad the podcast is getting the love it deserves
If Cruella spoke for 70% of the country I may top myself.
She doesn’t, so don’t.
Of course she does, as polling bears out. If the demos had their way the boat people would be sent back to France the day they arrive.
I think 7% is a more realistic figure.
Well of course you do because you live in an echo chamber
Loving the video episodes! They add so much more to the discussion.
When you need a minister for common sense, you are admitting that the rest of your cabinet have none...
I'm a Brit living in Barcelona and I moved here just before the vote...it was carnage absolute carnage... Things are much better now thankfully
I really enjoyed the part where Rory explains the situation in Catalunya. I have lived in Catalunya for 47 years and he did a good job. I think that a lot more people were in favor of independence in 2017, including myself, than they are now.
Yes please, be Keir's foreign secretary. Rooting for you!
Brilliant love❤you guys...
Camerons biggest mistake was complacency especially when he called the referendum
I know that politicians from all sides can strike friendships out of the Westminster bubble, but Alastair and Rory, you two are a revelation. Thank you for sharing your insights and intellects. I wish C4 would commission a series from you two to further ridicule the BBC wokists on what real journalism and considered commentary are all about. I watch every release with glee... All the best....
I'm nota born conservative- quite the opposite- irish, lefty but, I like your brain Rory.
Biggest issue facing anyone facing election is the sheer apathy and mistrust in government created. Nobody can be arsed to even because nothing changes.
Could you change a whole nation's mentality?
I’m glad these are now on UA-cam because I can have closed captions👍🏻
29:45 somehow made my day better within five seconds. Thank you for everything you do.
You've just been watching Social Media and just posted on it.
True. I rarely do :) @@FoobsTon
Can't believe I click so unhesitatingly on a political podcast. Thank you for making this!
Thank you Chaps do like fact based content and informative
Hearing Rory without hesitation saying he supported Israel just shows how strong and influential the Israel lobby is.
Palestinians don't stand a chance 😢
Was introduced to your podcast by my wife and now I'm hooked. Such interesting, insightful and non-polarised discussion is a blessing in this world of soundbites and shite...soundshites?
Thanks so much for posting.
As a 'learner' of English you write the language extremely well. As an 🦘I also thoroughly enjoy these two chaps' insightful and considered perspectives. Given they originate from opposite sides of the political landscape (Campbell Labor and Stewart Conservative) makes their interactions especially unique and interesting and is a tribute to both their individual personalities and culture. Rory Stewart is an especially impressive fellow.
Great listening and learning to you two... Thanks Both
In 2010 David Cameron called Gaza a "giant open air prison". I guess you could speak some truth back then.
In Finland, Common Sense is called Country Sense and that is perhaps a better definition. A farmer will consider what to do/fix and when.
I do so enjoy your informative pod casts. 💕
It's one word sue xxx
Watching from Canada. I love your podcast!
The Odd Couple. Brilliant
Whatever you think about Cameron, he's a grown-up. We've just had a succession of child-PMs showing off or staging public tantrums, so his appointment is a relief in a way. Though that may be an entirely false impression.
Gentlemen. Thank you.
Ian Wright famously played for Arsenal
Absolutely loving the content
If Cruella Braverman becomes Prime Minister of Britain, it will speed up the process of Scotland independence.
Yes , but I can't see a load of racists actually voting for her even if they agree with her. And gammon coming back just reminds everyone how long they have been in government and what a shitshow from the start.
100%
McHumza wants Scotland to join OIC
If it weren´t for the lousy climate, I´d move from Kent to Scotland.
Great to hear some discussion about Portugal! Please continue giving more emphasis to the 'underdogs'.
It is long past time to distinguish between the use of "anti-semitic" to refer BOTH to visceral hatred of Jewish people AND to principled criticism of the cruel and suppressive anti-Palestinian policies being pursued by the current government of israel under Netanyahu. You two could do everyone a favour by making a clear distinction between the two, since Sir Keir Starmer seems unable to do so.
The best political commentary on UA-cam in my opinion. Its like having a bug in the musty halls of Westminster. Rory is politician/historian/philosopher/pragmatist and humanitarian rolled into one. He needs to join Labour. The entire country will benefit.
There is always so much to learn from you. Excellent as always....very civilised.
In the midst of so much biased media coverage of such important topics, I have been coming here to witness some nuanced discussions. ImThank goodness there are still intelligent and balanced views in this country.
What makes this podcast interesting is Rory wearing his professorial hat and Alister his journalist one.
Rory. Watching what Alistair said, from that text, Cameron called for Brexit to shore himself up in his own party and to shut up the swizz eyed loons ( on even his right) It was unnecessary for our country. He is the architect of our demise. And then ran away and made a very lucrative career across pond, talking about it. Lecture circuits.
How is that ever okay?
Why are you two so surprised that people care what you have to say? More more more please
From across the pond, great podcast! Rory made a point about how Cameron has an advantage in that he doesn’t have a constituency and won’t be called in for a vote; thus, he will be able to travel for the Foreign Office. That brings a question to mind. Why, under the British parliamentary system, are all the cabinet officers members of Parliament? In the US, if a congressperson is chosen for the Cabinet, they give up their congressional seat. It would seem to me to be very difficult to juggle the requirements of being in Parliament and the requirements of being in the Cabinet.
Its a product of the long complicated history of the UK's constitutional monarchy. But also I think it keeps them grounded in a way. I would certainly not want that change done here in Australia (which has a very similar system based off of the UK's model).
Lets hear that list of Cameron's 260+ mistakes
Why do I need to know this.
Promised it would be in newsletter - worth signing up to - for sourced information.
Since yesterday, Israel has achieved one of its main goals in its war on the health system. The death count in the thousands was a factor that pressured her from international public opinion, and the pressure increased every day. With the collapse of the health system and communication lines, yesterday the health administration in Gaza stopped counting the death toll and updating the total victims. From today until the end of the war, and perhaps years after that, we will not know the number of dead. The victims will be buried en masse without restriction or registration, or their bodies will be left in the open and under rubble until they decompose. We wanted to say that the Palestinians are human beings, with names, lives, and faces, not numbers. Now the Palestinian has lost his right to be merely a number. Even this was imposed on the Palestinian by the world.
I have to say on the Palestine march - I was there and it was the most beautiful and peaceful demonstration I'd ever seen. If there were any troubleraisers they were overwhelmingly drowned out , I don't think it's fair highlighting a handful of non violent placards/placards considering that context
Top material.
Why is Rory Stewart not Prime Minister?
It's great that you have supporters from all colours of the political rainbow (except the fanatics I guess), how rare and how very encouraging 😊
Indeed 🇦🇺
So not 'all colours' then? Just the ones that agree with them.
We don't need media performers. We need delivery performers.
I'd like to congratulate Alistair and Rory on halving inflation.
They had as much influence over it as Sunak.
I'm certain Sunak would claim responsibility for the sun coming up tomorrow.
@@StopTheRot It's not as if he can control international oil and gas prices, nor does he have control of interest rates.
@@philipvanbergen3924He’s a squirming chancer who doesn’t appear to have a reason for becoming the big dog.
If they have no influence on lowering inflation, then presumably the Tories had no influence on any increase in inflation. Good for them.
@@0w784g Correct. The Ukraine war caused it.
@@0w784g Although, sending arms to Ukraine so Ukraine could fight the war made it last longer, if you want to be 100% accurate, not that I hold that against them.
Love the podcasts - one can learn so much - a bit more about Poland and how they managed to buck the trend would be welcome
We all remember when Mitt Romney commented that London was not ready for the Olympics, Cameron replied in a reasuring way while making Romney appear irrelevant. The perfect slap down.
I've just rechecked the Vienna Convention on Treaties 1969. Article 54 makes Sunak's unilateral withdrawal from the ECHR impossible without the agreement of every other signatory.
Rory should definitely be a labour foreign secretary 🎉🎉😂😂😂😂
You may have a point there.
Why is calling the pro-Palestinian marches in London not anti-Semitic & Braverman’s comments out of line, when people were chanting ‘from the River to the Sea’, wearing Islamist bandanas, carrying anti-Semitic placards, etc, etc?
Genuine question, why not tell the truth for a cataclysmic change?
A legacy for you could be about leaving the world with an understanding of what it means to be truly human 🎉
Rory, what's that about Scotland not having a separate language? Gaelic is nothing like English, even if Lowland Scots is. Granted, Gaelic was hugely diminished in the 17th and 18th centuries.
I quite enjoy hearing Alastair imitating the voices of those that he qjotes. His mimicry of Rees Mogg isn't bad at all.
David Cameron will be a better Foreign Secretary than he was a Prime Minister. His past involvement in international affairs, his contacts, the fact that he is not being distracted by other areas of government, his specific ambition to have a positive impact. He would not want to be back in government again if he was not sure he could improve his political image.
Please tell me what Labour has to offer the working man or woman in their two-up two-down in Accrington or Burnley?
Rory might be mixing up Catalan with Euskera ( Basque ) because having lived there for 10 years and learned both languages and despite what Catalans and Castillians might tell you the languages are _very_ similar . ( granted the pronounciation is quite different )
35:00 Rory talking about coalitions, seems he's forgotten about the Conservative-DUP agreement that allowed him to hold junior ministerial offices under Theresa May.
36:40 Rory imagines a Gordon Brown-Lib Dem agreement in 2010 as a solution to stay in office and never mentions the five-year Cameron-Clegg coalition.
Cameron taking a shoeing for the referendum yet nothing compared to Blair and Iraq. Maybe people find Camerons mistake more digestable to challenge.
Possibly because it hit much closer home…
Could you do something on the UN ? Particularly in relation to Israel/Palestine. Why is it being effectively ignored and having no obvious influence/effect ?
Alistair, writing an opera based on the Portuguese issues. Hearing what went on, might be a script for Allo Allo
Cameron must be more even handed regarding Israel and Palestine!
The only trouble with the police "handling it well" by having a "quiet word" with troublemakers, is that the world has a look to see what IS the response of the British to offensive acts, and sees NOTHING!
Seem to recall Holden is standing elsewhere as NW Durham is being axed with the boundary changes. He got in as a reaction against Laura Pidcock who didn't engage locally, but i imagine he's not worried about his majority.
Cameron' s return shows that the upper class no longer believe that their status means they must live up to princples of honor, which in a way justified deference to them. If Suez had happened today, Eden would have been back in government
Suggested theme for a future podcast: To what extent is politics simply based on tribal loyalty rather than supposed ideology? This is explored in (for instance) a book called "The Myth of Left and Right: How the Political Spectrum Misleads and Harms America", which essentially argues that that ‘left’ and ‘right’ do not name coherent worldviews but coalitions that bundle a largely arbitrary set of issue positions that are highly variable and unstable across time and place.
Erm, that's basic anthropology.
@@FoobsTon Erm, no it isn't. There are no "basic anthropology" courses that teach the delusionary existence of all left-right political ideologies.
I laughed when Cameron's experience was put forward as a plus and then there was mention of his early job as adviser to Lamont where the country was nearly handed over to George Soros. Cameron's judgment damaged a lot businesses and individuals.
Sunak must be really close to surpassing that proud achievement if he hasn’t done so already.
Rory casually talking down Scottish independence 50+1 votes as being less important than unionist votes.....while talking about a political "union" that was gained by the blackmail of a few Scottish noblemen while the Scottish people rioted & showed their anger at the outcome. These unionists are happy to casually talk about subverting Scottish democracy while opining on introducing democracy around the world.
Completely agree. A shame really as both Rory and Alistair have a Scottish background, there seems to be an ignorance towards Scottish independence and democracy for sure.
Completely uninformative regarding what David Cameron's return means for Israel-Palestine.
Instead read "Israel-Palestine war: Which David Cameron will show up?" by Peter Oborne in The Middle East Eye, 14 November 2023
Are these YT videos the same as the podcasts? I listen to all of the Podcaats? So are these extras? I’m confused…
Fabulous 👍👏👌
please ask Gordon to come back, the country needs him more than ever before.
Great episode guys, really enjoyed that one.
Love your podcast also I admire you both.
Alistair, what was the correct spelling of 'Weasel Words'?
Common sense is most uncommon.