Is The Stranger in The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power going to be Gandalf?
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2022
- The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power features a bearded Stranger who looks a lot like a famous wizard by the name of Gandalf, but is there any evidence to this claim?
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I think most people going into the show don’t know any version
Exactly. And all of those non-LOTR fans can keep whatever show this is.
Speak for yourself buddy, everyone knows Gandalf appeared in third age, even more now, people are reading the books too!
The rings were already made by the time his master even sent him over the seas. They can't butcher it this bad
So they just take this beloved IP and mythology with a huge fan base just to destroy completely the lore and instead of giving the fans something faithful to the Middle Earth they want to appeal to people who dont really care about Tolkien and the books?, wow thats so smart
100% hahaha
Of all the fandoms to mess with Amazon chose the wrong one hahaha
There are literal scholars and historians for LOTR. They could’ve paid for some to come in lol
@@cauzie8281 One did came in, expert on Tolkiens work, but he didn't like anything they were and was vocal about it so they cut him off
@@cauzie8281 what dam, i mean made up fantasys are cool and all, but making them your job just kinda feels weird
@@sallmandar1027 yeah but hey they are literary works so they study Tolkien and all his writing
There are people who study Shakespeare and his writings as their careers so studying Tolkien and his works aren't exactly crazy or a stretch. Just because Shakespeare didn't have any dragons nor orcs doesn't mean it isn't fiction. Maybe it feels weird because Tolkien's works feel relatively young (being 20th century works) compared to those 18th-19th Century writers who became part of literature syllabus
Tolkien was very cl- he was sorta clear😂😂😂
Considering Cirdan gives him his ring of power as soon as Gandalf arrives in Middle Earth, it would make sense that Gandalf came in a ship
No. Tolkien actually did go back and revisit the blue wizards specifically towards the end of his life. He pretty much stated that the blue wizards were the first to arrive during the second age and that they were instrumental in creating discord among the Easterlings to undermine Sauron's influence in the area.
The Harfoots are said to have resided somewhere East (East of the Misty Mountains). I strongly suspect that this stranger is one of the blue wizards.
Yes but the two blue wizards came together in a ship not a god damn meteor😂 also, imagine the valar thinking to themselves the best way to transport a wizard to middle earth is on a meteor, it doesn't make much sense tbh. Also we know that the harfoots lived in the vales of the anduin, and in the show they decided to move them further south and east.
Still absolute shit though isn't it? 🤣
and still, Gandalf, as Olorin was there in the First Age.
He just left for rhun so he is acting accurately
@@bradleywoods3742 meteors are faster than ships
They dont own the rights to the silmarillion so the entire series is a very very expensive fanfic
A shitty one to boot.
I actualy have a theory that this guy is a bolrog. I dont know too much about tolkin lore, but i know that if the wizerds where angles, than bilrogs where demons
@@basedgod5223 yeah pretty much. They are both Maiar some followed Morgoth and became Balrogs while others kept being faithfull to the other Valar. Some of the faithfull later became the Istari in the third age took the apearance of old men and were send to middle earth to and the free people against Sauron.
You have to be a fan first before you can write fanfiction, lol
Yes except they are no fan
If you look at canon timeline, the show is taking events across 2500 years and putting them all together at the same time
@WeAreIt very much so🤣
No they are taking events from 3400 years, if this is really gandalf 4400 years, and putting them altogether into a very few decades.
Yeah, it's cos they want you to grow more attached to the human characters..... if anything it completely misses the point of Human vs Elf and the duality of immortality and mortality. The point IS to grow attached to the humans and then watch them die as the elves live on. Game of Thrones style, people should be dying as we progress through seasons. But Amazon didn't want to hire new actors
@@guru7968 what are the first event and last event you are using to get 3400? Still holding out hope that the stranger is NOT Gandalf🤞
@@finns23653 supposed to be the second age, isildur and elendil were alive around 3400. Considering they just found Mithril in the mines which according to lore was around 750, it’s a strict minimum of 2700 years of mash up. If we consider that Galadriel should be married and have a kid in the year 300 and this will presumably happen or has already happened, it gets us closer to the 3400 year of history happening simultaneously.
Don’t think they have the rights to the name Gandalf so he will just go by wizard, istari or some made up name
Yep Radaghast, Saruman and Gandalf all came in the 3rd Age. In the latest edit tho, he said that the two Blue Wizards came before the three Istar. In the second Age so I do hope this is Alator or Pallando.
Yes the two blue wizzards came with Glorfindel
@@christianefiorito3204 ah well. Guess we throw that out of the billion dollar budget but if they introduce Glorfindel, that would be epic.
It can be balrog
@@samlagrimas5039 Glorfindel is such a chad
Balrogs cannot shape shift.@@woogyx6909
When the fandom is almost 100 years old, you better believe they are going to be coming at you strong if you blow it.
The worst part is its nearly 100 years old and hasnt gotten a good movie in years and the only show about it is terrible
Hobbit movies sucked, rings of power is absolute dog shit
And the first three. Films so far are the only good movies
“Always trust your nose” Gandalf
This
There's literally no known character in the lore he can be where it doesn't mess with it. Hell, maybe he's a balrog, they were maiar too once, he clearly seems to be a maiar of some kind, and not all the balrogs are necessarily accounted for. Even Tolkien didn't know how many there were, there could be others about still other than Durin's Bane.
Personally, I think it's just gonna be one of the istari and amazon are just gonna spit in the faces of everybody.
Welcome to the reality of screen adoption
Even the author didnt know how many there were - you dumb bro? He was just undecided
Being a Balrog wouldn't really work. In Tolkien's words, _Melkor alone of the Great became at last bound to a bodily form; but that was because of the use that he made of this in his purpose to become Lord of the Incarnate, and of the great evils that he did in the visible body. Also he had dissipated his native powers in the control of his agents and servants, so that he became in the end, in himself and without their support, a weakened thing, consumed by hate and unable to restore himself from the state into which he had fallen. Even his visible form he could no longer master, so that its hideousness could not any longer be masked, and it showed forth the evil of his mind. So it was also with even some of his greatest servants, as in these later days we see: they became wedded to the forms of their evil deeds, and if these bodies were taken from them or destroyed, they were nullified, until they had rebuilt a semblance of their former habitations, with which they could continue the evil courses in which they had become fixed._
That is to say, Melkor's greatest Maia servants, like him, became bound to their physical forms. Moreover, bound specifically to the "forms of their evil deeds," unable to mask their hideousness.
Sauron of course is a noted exception to this, but even he experiences something similar later on, when his fair form as Annatar is destroyed in the Fall of Numenor. From that point onward he can no longer take fair shapes, only foul ones reflecting his own evil nature. He can no longer mask his internal hideousness.
All that to say, a Balrog shouldn't be capable of assuming the fair form of a man.
@@sorvex9 -- Not undecided. Just many versions.
In the first version of the Siege of Gondolin Balrogs were everywhere.
But if you take in the latest revisions, there were no more than 7 Balrogs.
So which version do you want to believe?
This is entirely untrue. In his later writings, Tolkien states that the two blue wizards arrive in middle earth in SA 1600. This is the same year that Glorfindel arrives, and also (coincidentally!?!) the year that the rings of power were forged. I really don't understand how people are so confused about this meteor man when there is a very clear and viable explanation in the lore.
When Gandalf arrived he talked about knowing the place, hinting that he had been there before. So it could be introduced under a different name (gandalf had other names) and then as long as he leaves it wouldn't be story breaking.
Also, all the wizards didn't arrive in the third age. The blue wizards arrived in the second age.
I was confused because I thought the wizards came in the second age too. He seems really confident about this
@@jayfron6012 people who are wrong usually do
It depends what account you read. In one specific book, Peoples of Middle-Earth - one of Christopher Tolkien's various unpublished draft publications - the Blue Wizards arrived first. Every other account says the Wizards all arrived at the same time.
Either way, they certainly didn't fall from the sky as meteors.
Traveling from Valar to Middle Earth has always involved taking a ship. Also Gandalf had many names in Middle Earth however his true name was Olorin.
Pretty sure the writers of this show didn’t realize there were even ages, or read anything about the characters they were writing. Im beginning to wonder if they can even read.
They are already swimming in contradictions
Well with their take on galadriel, we better get used to them swimming.
It's not the book... Get over it
@@Majormoose1 it'd think elven royalty would have the wherewithal to not get into a boat rather than changing her mind in the middle of an ocean
@@Majormoose1 No.
weird how people would rather imagine contradictions instead. it's almost like people are stuck in a imagined world lol. would explain why they were complaining about it for 2 years before it came out too
It was just one of the blue ones, that he thought about coming in the second age.
They didn’t come like that and nor that time. Many great lore channels out there. Nothing beats there original man himself
@@Makkaru112 actually we know next to nothing about the Blue Wizards, so this is fair game. It could also be a Balrog
Olorin (the maiar name of Gandalf) was in middle earth before the third age. In the first age he was said to go around middle earth teaching the elves, dwarves and men his wisdom.
Though he was never documented by the elves to have been there, since he preferred to go disguised as an elf or dwarf. He was kinda shy.
Exactly
Olorin in true form is not portrayed as an old man, but rather as a maiar race. Olorin also don't have the ability to transform his appearance (unlike sauron). Also, stranger and brandyfoot are heading for Rhun, which Olorin/Gandalf never travels to in the book.
He is definitely one of the blue wizards. Which Saruman and them are the only three out of five wizards who have travelled to Rhun. Saruman/curumo also won't be coming until third age as he is still in Aman, along with orolin
Um no, he was in Valinor learning from the Vala Nienna in the First Age. He came to middle earth in the Third Age.
Idk what you're reading.
@@geoadi2323 All Ainur can change their appearances.... they don't have corporeal bodies.
That "You Cowards!" came outta nowhere and had me laughing!
Blue wizards actually came during the second age, immediately after sauron, hence their being 2 stars missing from the constellation
He won’t see this or reply, every clip ive seen is this dude just trashing LotR and dick riding GoT
That is literally the note he mentioned. Everywhere else it isn't that way.
That is why I think it is extremely likely that the stranger is going to be one of the blue wizards, I think even a note saying it gives them freedom to make that decision
@@DanAlexification except that in two actual published books it says otherwise. Most importantly, the written material they have the rights to: The Return of the King.
They didn't actually come. None of this shit ever happened. Therefore its very ok to greatly change storylines in this series
I think he is evil given the fact that after Nori falls in she touches fire and says “it isn’t even hot,” while in the first episode when Galadriel and her company are in the “fortress” likely Utunmo she says “this place is so evil even our torches do not release heat.”
Credit to this goes to Nerd of the Rings
I was reading your comment and said to myself, I've heard this somewhere before. Someone had the same view or said the same thing. And then you mentioned Nerd of the Rings and I'm like, thats where I heard it 😅
@@B3llaBambin4 lol a fellow fan of Nerd of the Rings! Tell me, how is Bambin4 enjoying the films thus far?
I thought Utunmo was completely destroyed
@@sallmandar1027 it was not completely destroyed as it was not in Beleriand but further north east in the lands of Arda. It may be possible you are thinking of Morgoths latter fortress of Angband which was indeed in Beleriand and thus fell into the sea with the rest of the continent in the years following the War of Wrath.
Edit: technically it is said that the Valar after laying siege to Utunmo and after breaching it’s gates destroyed the fortress. However it is also said that they did not discover nor destroy some of the deeper and more evil locations of the fortress.
You guys are taking for granted that the people behind the series KNOW AND WILL RESPECT the lore.
They don't and they won't... They're just looking for content that will make people talk on social media...
Tolkien has one of the most, if not the most faithful, fans in the world and Amazon pissed on all of them.
I died when he called them COWARDS 😂
I could be wrong it's been a while since I've been on Lord of the rings Wikipedia for 2 days straight but I thought the blue wizards came in the second age and then left and came back
You are correct good sir.
Only according to one book in particular.
@@smartalec2001 I also made the comment without watching the hole video he mentioned the blue wizards I have to say if they just got rid of gladriel the show would be better she's so cringe
That's sort of a debate among the fandom as Tolkien had several iterations of their story. But the last one he had made was that they succeeded in their goals in the east that directly helped the fellowship and company to defeat Sauron. But I don't think he ever elaborated on what exactly they did other than "fought the shadow" so...maybe killed a balrog or a Drake/dragon that was going to answer Sauron's call?
how about elendil and isildur showing up more than a thousand years before they're even supposed to be born XD
Yeah they definitely should have done it with the Tolkien timeline and cast new characters every episode. Lmao
Use your head bud
Or elendil having a daughter Tolkien never knew about..
@@danielsaxton9748 not every episode, they could made it a way that after every season a big timeskip follows. And only the humans would need to be changed every season, dwarves every two or 3 seasons while the elven cast would stay. That would also support the fantasy vibe when we see several human kings dying in war or from age (what is called the gift of men) while the elves are basically immortal. But to begin with, nobody ever forced amazon to adapt a story which is going 3400 years onto screen. They did it because they wanted their own game of thrones, because they are greedy. But with creative minds they could also have gone other paths like just making their own events and stories, which are set in middleearth without contradicting Tolkiens Lore. Or they could just have told a story from the second age that is going only a few years. Again nobody forced amazon to show us the whole second age (and cutting it down, raping tolkiens lore to a few decades). They could have told stories in the south, show us the 2 blue wizards tolkien didnt write much about, or they could have shown us aragorns life in the third age, before Lotr started.
@@danielsaxton9748 how small is your brain that this is the only other option you can figure out to make a story from parts of the universe that are interesting? you don't HAVE to try to squash 3000 fucking years into 200. pick an interesting segment that you can focus on with your writing. this is what good writers do.
"bud"
@@guru7968 would be such a bad and boring show
It’s lame to think you can just copy/paste from a medium to another
It’s a serie, not a book, changes have to be made to « adapt » it
Watching all the nerds have aneurysms everywhere is such a joy.
The snob in this video is hilarious
The version you say about wizards being introduced in the second age is true, but it was the blue wizards. They were sent before gandalf and saruman.
They literally were an order of Ainur sent as a group. And not many years spaced between. The lore channels cover it in detail. Check them out. Many big ones out there
Which is a single copy of an unpublished draft, rather than the two published works that day otherwise. I'd agree with him on this and say it's unlikely and rather inane to make it a wizatd
Those blue wizards came in around SA 1600 when Sauron made the ring. But in show we've already seen Elendil who was born in SA 3119 and Isildur in 3200 .
@@vishhusingh9404 there is a major time compression in this show, clearly. The dates mean nothing when they have to show the entire second age over a couple of lives of men
@@Makkaru112 this is not entirely true. They arrive at different points in different versions of Tolkien's legendarium. In one version they arrive long before the other istari, around 1600 SA
It's not even the first complete middle finger to the established history.
Galadriel was barred from returning to the undying lands, due to her being amongst the elves who disobeyed the Valar in chasing Morgoth to Middle Earth. Gil-Galad didn't have the authority to lift that ban, nor would Galadriel have dared get on that boat.
It also miffed me that they went to the trouble of showing Galadriel during the Time of the Trees, but not bothering to show Feanor demanding a strand of her hair, which, if we're focusing on portions of the lore that tie to LOTR, is a very important piece of lore that gets a huge payoff in Fellowship.
Galadriel’s clan sided with feanor brother and had to traverse the icy waste after feanor burned the ships. Only those who managed to get to middle earth by ship were forbidden from returning to valinor, everyone else got pardoned, including galadriel
Whether or not Gladriel was barred is shaky
@@stevenotch7324 She followed her Uncle Fingolfin. She didn’t follow Fëanor. She already had a burning desire to visit and reside in middle earth as t they were all meant to in fact. But Fëanor’s passion kindled her further. She also went to keep an eye on Fëanor and keep him in check in case he does things like try and mess with Aqualondë and she played a big role. And also Finarfin came too. Small debates as to when he showed up but true Teleri pushed them back and even many even backed into the water from the shores and the boats and they sank in their armour.
Homie They don’t have the rights to the Silmarillion therefore they can’t go into detail about really anything that was mentioned in the book anything that was mentioned in the appendices such as Morgoth the two trees of valinor, and I’m fairly certain Galadriel’s brother those can be mentioned but they can’t mention the fact that Feanor asked Galadriel for strands of her hair is that as that is mentioned in tolkiens works they do not have the rights to
@@stevenotch7324 no, galadriel was banned because of the rebellion against the valar.
People should not even try to find any sense or fidelity to the Lore in this series, I mean, I watch it as a fanfic just for fun 😂😂😂
I know and I tried but instead it bored me this show doesnt make any sense,Storytelling,plot,characters I could go on and on the only thing that looks decent are the Landscapes but besides that....
For what other reason than fun would you watch any fantasy series in the first place?
@@r4ng0_o I mean I watch it without any commitment, you know, like you watch a comedy or some film that doesn’t require much thinking, actually I stopped watching after four the ep
The note he's referring to wasn't actually a note. Tolkien said it during an interview that the blue wizards came and impacted middle earth during the second age. 🤷🏽♂️
Everyone’s giving GOTs the benefit of the doubt here when there are numerous points in the show that contradict the books. It’s whatever in Game of thrones but we are nitpicking everything in LOTR? it’s like you’re searching for things to convince ppl that the show is not going to be very good. That’s wack.
At least Martin is alive and doesn't seem to care that much if they mess up his world, as long as he gets his money. Tolkien is not alive to defend his works, and yet he showed that he cared very, very deeply about interpretations. I am not a strict book purist, and I agree there are some things people don't need to nitpick over... but I see the show overall as fundamentally opposed to the spirit of Tolkien's work.
Well it's not good, and atleast GOFT and HOD have an identity, you could show me HOD without telling me that's realted to GOT and i can figure it out, if you don't tell me this is supposed to be LOTR i couldn't because it just looks like a generic fantasy show that they named LOTR for some reason with elves that look like they moved from The Witcher to ROP, there's not a hint of the ecsence the characters are supposed to have since that's what differenciates them form one another inside the story and other productions, we can't even who this guy us, HOD has an identity this doesn't
No one gave it the benefit of doubt. It's just a vastly superior show.
I have a theory that the Meteor guy is actually Sauron and is currently suffering from memory loss. The symbol he keeps scribbling is very similar to Sauron’s symbol
I also believe this
Uh, no. That symbol is not at all similar to “Sauron’s symbol”. It’s literally a mirror reflection of Gandalf’s rune, which is the letter “G”. The stranger’s rune is “Gh”
Let’s stop giving Amazon benefit of doubt. They’ve not just ruined the lore but smeared Tolkiens good name and have been hardcore goading and bullying us all over the place. On and offline. We are sick of being called things we are not and gaslit. As George The Giant Slayer says “We will never back down we will never bend the knee”
@@voiceofdistortedreason5998 I don’t even have words for how dumb this is
@@harryosborne8215 cool story bro! 👍 You do you.
a note also says Gandalf was the 1st creature Eru made, but he was skittish, afraid, hopeful
I thought I was the only one who had read that
@@matwatson7947 I now think he might be the
"Man in the Moon" a poem by Bilbo
“Gandolf”
ITS NOT GANDALF END OF STORY THERE IS NOT EVEN A POSSIBILITY unless they are saying that gandalfs power is of the darkness when the flames around him are not hot not to mention he kills fireflies how could you possibly think this is gandalf
Because it’s the rings of power..
Because Amazon... they already race swapped and changes characters completely like Galadriel. Do you really think they wouldn't put Gandalf in this and change his character up?? Like really???
@@onepunchdoggo they gonna make a episode of how oppressed the orcs are and it’s mens fault they are the mean orcs that they became💀😭
@@Johnlilly252 at this point I wouldn't doubt it
@@Johnlilly252 Honestly, like I wouldn't mind there being some orcs that were not just "KILL EAT FLESH", it seems like the orcs in most adaptations forget that Tolkien's orcs were quite crafty and inventive. And it would be nice if someone would point out that they were TORTURED elves - it seems they didn't really have much control over their creation, poor fellas lol. I'm not saying have them be redeemable or sympathetic or victims, but their existence is pretty tragic and that they're reduced to dimwits all the time is a waste imo.
But considering the rest of their changes, I wouldn't really trust the Rings of Power to handle that without going into "they're just misunderstood!" territory.
This has fallen angel imagery
Agreed 👍
He is definitely bad imo. Did you see how he killed all those fireflies?😱🤣
The books are based off the themes of good and evil inspired by the Bible. I think the Stranger will be helpful until he accomplishes his purpose and remembers who is something evil. I wonder if Arondir will be turned into an Ork.
Sauron is a maia. Angelic type of being. He wasnt bad in the beginning but got corrupted by morgoth.
@@purplepheasant4776 lol, the showrunners probably buy into the whole "orcs are black people so Tolkien was racist" Schick. There is no way in hell these people will turn a black elf into an orc.
@@nathanmorgan3647 The Stranger is starting to look a little Gandalf but I am hoping not. Now that it is episode 5 I think everyone has enough info to sound off. It's looking kind of odd and boring.😒
Gandalf also invited fireworks
I remember one of the five stars reviews on IMDB said that "this is (Amazon's ring of power) the most accurate representation of the book..." and I just know that person never read any💀
Amazon also owns imdb so yeah… 😂
People say book as if it there is a clear cut story, it’s really just a bunch of scattered notes and background abt the world that Tolkien wrote.
The two Blue Wizards were confirmed to arrive in the second age (which this is set in) the other wizards came in the third age. Odd that so many people don’t know that
People just want to make shit up. Like "the wizards arrived in the 3rd age"... Yeah the wizards in LoTR did, not the Blue Wizards tho. We don't know much about them during this time period, only bits and pieces of where they end up by the 3rd age. This is fair game and people just want to complain for the sake of it
@Orb_ yeah that's a good point. Maybe this is all a red herring. Making us think of wizards when it may be a Balrog or something else. The fire and the fact that the area wasn't hot despite the fire may foreshadow that the meteor man is something more sinister
@@msaadah1223 exactly and the blues you pretty much have free reign over most of their story and could even explore the idea that saruman went with them during the third age and stole their power and that's why he came back stronger but that's a very debatable topic
@@josh6689 like half of the LoTR lore is a debated topic 😂
@Orb_ lol we don't even know if it's a wizard in the first place, but glad you're judging a show that you haven't even watched
If he is Gandalf in Olorin form that works fine
But how weird would it seem for Olorin the Maia to randomly come to Middle Earth on a meteor… in the 2nd Age. Do…stuff ? Then travel BACK to Valinor… only to wait again till 1000 of the Third Age, when he sails on a boat to the Havens, with Saruman and Radagast… ?? 🤔
No it doesnt
Guys! If you forget everything you know and just turn your brain off, it all works great, promise!
Uh oh someone is going to be attacked by amazon marketing campaign 😂
Amazon: look at me I’m the lore master now
It’s Sauron, they spoke of it in the end of Episode 4 that the meteor was Sauron himself who has not woken to his true self
That's a good one. Would you like to try again for the bonus round? Sauron is already in the story. lol
Sauron is with Galadriel on Numenor.
@@vinnyganzano1930 nah he would be the one to become the King of Angmar leader of the nazgul
@@roweltancio5484 no really that's Sauron.
Though it is said Olorin had visited Middle Earth in other forms, sometimes as an elf. I personally don’t think it’s Gandalf because it just feels like they’re leading us into that too much. Same with if it’s Sauron. I think he’s one of the blue wizards
What about the letter he scratched out when they first attempt to talk. Same letter he put on Bilbo’s door. His ID
Debatable. It is STILL a possibility.
Towards the end of his life Tolkien returned to the issue of the other two Wizards. In a brief outline he noted that the two Wizards were sent to Middle-earth in the Second Age and were destined to disrupt the work of Sauron in the East.
Edit: One can say whatever about this being just a draft and not published. However this was a change the author mentioned. So it is still attached to the LORE.
I highly recommend to read "Last Writings", The Peoples of Middle-earth
This won’t get likes because it’s just too popular to hate the show right now. I don’t get why “LOTR fans” are so determined to never get any new content.
Also there are clues in my opinion in the Silmarillion that make this make a lot of sense that it could be Olorin or Gandalf. All I know is, if the hobbits call him stormcrow at any point it's a done deal lol
His claim was not that this means Amazon isn’t making this Gandalf, his point is that it SHOULDN’T be made to be Gandalf.
@@ktn8329 Exactly, and that's why this is dumb. Getting angry at videos of someone saying "I don't know what's gonna happen but it better not be THIS THING or I'm gonna be MAD" it's small-minded and a waste of time
Noone else noticed that meteor crater looks like saurons eye
I’m thinking he’s one of the blue wizards. Amazon has a lot of wiggle room with that storyline if that’s the case.
I prefer wizards falling from the sky over a guy arriving in a boat saying hello anyway
May be it was one of his epic adventures that ended with him falling off the sky like a meteorite. And btw he was supposed to be old from the beginning wasn't he? Maybe he was riding an eagle and smoking pipe... And that's why smoking is not allowed in planes
Can I get some links referencing the "ages" please
Not only that the old dalf is handsome as fuck in valinor. And he didn't age into an old form he chose to take that form. So yeah I really hope that's not him
I do have to admit, even though it is not lore-friendly, the idea that Gandolf fell from the sky in a meteor like an angel falling from the heavens is kind of bad ass.
It’s a lot cooler in the books
What is?
Gandalf just loves to fall from the sky 😂😂 jumping off building and trees, I think he’s low-key suicidal 🤣🤣
@@Makkaru112 I’ll second the question someone asked you. What is cooler in the books!?
If this even IS gandalf. This could be anyone right now. But I agree. I don't think it matters (to me) at all on HOW or WHEN Gandalf makes it to middle earth, but what surely comes afterwards ...
Ehhh I’d rather have this be a blue wizard besides it would make more sense because they came in the second age
No they also came around in third age like all the other Istari
@@gabriele3665 ehh in “ the peoples of middle earth “ it talks about them arriving in the second age .
@@jessefrancis8976 and in the Return of the King, as well as Unfinished Tales, it says they came in the Third Age.
The book your references merely notes a letter Tolkien wrote in a draft, not the works that Tolkien himself published when he was alive (which I would argue take precedence)
@@jessefrancis8976 that's one book of random notes against the unfinished tales, the silmarillon and the official notes of lotr
@@gabriele3665 still
Matters 🤷♂️
Maybe they're trying to slap in a bit of gandalfs Maia past before he took up the his human form?
The Stranger certainly appeared Gandalf-esque when cupping an insect in his hands, as Gandalf did to summon the eagle on Orthanc tower.
Actual Tolkien fans wouldn't touch" Rings of Power" with a ten foot pole.Their heads would explode like this guy's. It's designed for mass consumption but with Tolkien's name slapped on it for brand recognition. Ugh.
I’m watching it. I’ve put it in a different category altogether. It’s not Tolkien as was evidenced with the show runners comments “Tolkien needed a new voice”. Tells me it’s something else altogether. I will say it’s not as bad as Amazon’s wheel of time, but it’s not hard to be better really.
@@DaPeasant I refused to even consider this show specifically because of Wheel of Time. They absolutely butchered it. My favorite book series of all time next to LotR. Was such a disappointment.
@@RadialNoah Same, but I expected them to shite all over Jordan from the start.
@@nathanmorgan3647 after seeing the initial trailer, I knew they were going to butcher it. They didn’t prove me wrong, and season 2 only sounds like it’s doubling down. Very unfortunate.
@@RadialNoah Indeed. Absolutely disgusting.
Lol I died at. “Ya cowards” lol
Besides they are showing a middle aged Gandalf, implying he eventually aged to look like an old man. In canon it’s stated that wizards don’t age, they are stuck in the “old man” form.
They aren't necessarily stuck, as they can change their form, like Sauron can. Old men is the visage they took, if I'm not mistaken, to hide in plain sight. It's also why gandalf kinda acts the way he does. A wanderer who's known for making fancy fireworks, rather than "that ripped god-like dude who could level a mountain"
“Probably” = “ I really don’t wanna like this”
I want to see you do one of these on The Hobnit”. It’ll be 9 days long.
Hobnit
I don't think is Gandalf the Mystery Man is Tillion a Maia chosen to handle the Moon. Frodo sings the music about him in Bree. Gray beard and cloak; fast meteor; fell into the night, like a shooting star from the sky; I was looking for wine and food; did not find what he wanted (rubies, sapphires and diamonds); he was in love with Arien (who controlled the sun), and looks for the stars; He says "mana ure" (blessed heat).
Tilion was originally a Maia of Oromë the Huntsman, but often came to Lorien, to the pools of Estë during his free time. While in Valinor he took a form similar to that of the Valar, but when he left he was a "naked flash of light, shining in the fullness of his splendour." He was said to be less mighty than Arien, the guardian of the Sun. However, when the Two Trees of Valinor were destroyed, Tillion took the last surviving flower of Telperion, the silver Tree of the Valar, in a vessel forged by Aulë and carried it away in the Heavens. As Tilion is the guardian of the Moon, he was a lover of silver, and used a Silver bow. Tilion was reckless at times, and did not always follow the correct path, causing the Moon to be at times in the sky at the same time as the Sun, not appear at all, or even block out the light of Arien.
I can guarantee you it will be Gandalf in the show.
@@hbsblkk3842 maybe everything is possible or the Blue Wizard but in the book Tillion was the only one who was the one who fall like a meteor in the Second Age. But like I said everything is possible.
@@hbsblkk3842 Oh, were you in the writers' room too with all these other angry little people?
@@webkid4567 lol wait and see my friend.
Not all wizards came in third age but I feel you on the Gandalfs timing tho.
“All good stories deserve embellishment” -literally gandalf
look up the meaning of Embellishment for me.
@@scartioantolare5825 No thanks
And yet amazon took that to mean that all good stories deserve bastardization 🙄
I would appreciate it being Gandalf to better understand his obsession with the Hobbits.
I immediately thought the same. For better or worse that's something Amazon would do. A neat explanation for a trait that general audiences are familiar with
I dunno, if I saw their cult like behaviours, the way they abandon each other at the drop of a hat, and general uncouth grubbiness, I would run as fast and as far as I could.
Besides, everyone knows it's addiction to pipeweed that explains gandalf's obsession with the shire. ;)
It’s not Gandalf. It is a new original character named Gaydalf.
He gets voted woman of the year in the series finale
Why would peoples' first thought not be the blue wizards?
In later versions of the legendarium, they:
1. Arrive in SA 1600, the same year as Glorfindel and the FORGING OF THE RINGS OF POWER (sound familiar?)
2. Have the task of sowing discord among supporters of Morgoth and weakening the enemy forces
3. Have very little specific detail given about them, meaning Amazon could write two new characters without being compared to another version, while still being able to use them as a gandalf-esque mentor character
4. Are never really heard from again, leaving them open-ended. Maybe the reason no one knew where they went was because the were destroyed in the Sinking of Numenor? Just an example of how the characters could be adapted for the story without making any major lore alterations.
It is said that these two wizards went "South and East", which is not the direction of Numenor from Middle Earth, but it COULD potentially be argued that these directions were from Valinor (where they originate), and Numenor IS "South and East" from Valinor. Again, it is a slight change but it could definitely be argued for. They could also be travelling to South East Middle earth VIA Numenor, meaning they could have made a stop at Numenor during the second age, before moving to the South East of Middle Earth during the third age and the second rise of Sauron.
The last paragraph is a theory and just one adaptation/interpretation of the lore. I am not saying this is definitely what happened or what will happen in the show. This is just to demonstrate that there are characters in the lore that meteor man could feasibly be, and that it's not necessary to assume it's gandalf because he's old and has a beard. The blue wizards passing to East Middle earth through Numenor is, to me, a lot more believable than Gandalf arriving 2000 years and whole age too early.
I believe it's mentioned in a note or letter that the blue wizards may have arrived earlier than the other three. But only the blue.
My theory is this: the Stranger returns to Valinor after the war of the last alliance, and when he is debriefed says "next time send me in a boat. The meteor was horrible, 0/10 would not recommend"
Nerds get pissed over story beats that haven't even happened lmao
Damn, man how do you not know that Gandalf never went to the East Hell, one of the blue wizards names literally translates to East-helper.
He's 100% one of the blue wizards.
Isn't it mentioned/hinted at that all the Istari had been to Middle-Earth before being sent in physical bodies? Like Gandalf and co had basically been an essence floating around observing. It's strange that nobody seems to mention that Meteorite man could be an all new creation.
They just play Diablo 3 and like how Tyrael came to Sanctuary
Exactly what i thought too
After the third episode, I want the stranger to be gandalf, the cute bastard. Also cause it'll piss people off and at this point, I'd love that.
People like you are what’s wrong with the world. You’d probably get a job working in the media.
Are we can just wait until we discover.
Glorfindel also live in middleearth, then travel to Valinor and came back to Middleearth in the 3. age. Probably Gandalf also was in Middleearth during the 2. age and when he reappeard in the 3. age Cirdan already know he is trustworthy and reliable and gave him the ring.
Gandalf is a maiar who is still faithful to eru, there is no need for cirdan to be unsure of his loyalty
You gotta watch these shows with a grain of salt. You gotta look at them as sort of a separate universe like the comics do. I'm watching it knowing it is not the books.
No, I don’t.
I ain't watching it at !!!!! Without respect ,I reject!!!!!
That’s not respectful of JRR Tolkien since he only made one singular continuity in mind. Comic books and any media stemming off of said comics play into the the multiverse theory. False equivalence.
The mystique of Gandalfs origin could quite possibly span beyond what we know. Considering the fact that he can re-incarnate...
Go and find the Hill of Tears and Bury yourself under it.😁
Forgetting blue wizards came in second age
I thought the meteor guy was Tom Bombadil lol
my ignorance of the books is turning out to be bliss! 😂
I’ve never read any of the books, have only seen the movies once, and I still find this show insufferably boring and a chore
The story can't be like the book because the mediums don't translate. The books amount to a fairytale version of the Bible and overly complex folklore, evidently books fans aren't intelligent enough to understand that. The show is inspired by the books not based on them and never pretended to be. I am having a blast!
@@harryosborne8215 Maybe it's going over your head. They have set up the shows heroes and villains well. I don't understand how so many have such a strong opinion over 1, 2, or 3 episodes.
@@purplepheasant4776 you’ve just revealed yourself as someone completely devoid of intelligence. It’s not going over my head. If anything, it’s under my feet. Miles below.
There are 8 episodes in this show. That means that after this weekend, nearly HALF the show is already over. What’s happened? Barely anything, and that’s being exceedingly generous to not say “nothing.”
“Why do people have such strong opinions about 1, 2, or 3 episodes” sounds as ridiculous as “I don’t understand why people are complaining about two seasons, they should stay tuned for the third!”
A SINGLE episode needs to absolutely hook an audience. If not one, then two is REQUIRED. Not a suggestion, a concrete benchmark. There is too much good content out in the world to waste ones time on absolute drivel like this filth, and people can figure out if a show is going to be worth their time early. Very early.
Do you understand what the purpose of a pilot episode is? Are you so ridiculously young and naive that you’ve never even heard of that term?
This show is taking for granted that it has a built-in audience, and assumes that you’re going to watch the whole thing regardless of what they do. This is an immediate recipe for failure, and is incredibly lazy.
And if you’re one of the simpletons that thinks I’m talking about an action piece, no, you don’t need one to hook an audience.
You need one of a few things. You can have an interesting story (missing here COMPLETELY), or engaging dialogue (some of the worst dialogue ever written for a tv show), relatable characters (again, competent failing in this department save for maybe one, and that’s not enough).
Horrendous dialogue, mostly bland characters, absent story, this show feels like it’s written on children’s list of chores in between wash dishes and clean room. I was actually painfully bored the entire time.
The ONLY good aspects are the visuals and the music, but that has never been why you watch a show. Never. It has to have some other good aspect to tie it together.
There are so many problems with this show that I think Amazon’s strategy was to make SURE that there were so many problems that you have a tough time talking about them all. You don’t make a show this bad on accident.
Just to explain one of the thousand glaring issues, have you noticed how many lines of “dialogue” are delivered with a close up on that characters face? Do you even understand how lazy and cheap those kinds of shots are? When you just move from closeup to closeup of various people talking?
This is considered very poor form. With a close up on a characters face while they talk, you aren’t seeing what’s going on in the background. You don’t have to worry about blocking (other actors milling about and whatnot), or visuals (extremely ironic given how much money went into this show, you would expect this to be the ONE problem the show wouldn’t run into but here we are), or anything. Again, it’s just considered extremely lazy since you don’t have to do any actual work with it.
Watch how little, if EVER, other shows do this except for a very specific purpose, such as possibly seeing a reaction on one characters face while another is speaking.
This is a MASS MARKET FANTASY show. It ain’t that deep idjit.
@@purplepheasant4776 “the show can’t be like the book because the mediums don’t translate.”
Hmmm, I wonder then how the original trilogy are some of the most revered movies of all time. Return of the King IS actually in the top 10 list in the history of time according to IMDB rank.
That’s a lazy attempt at deflection of valid criticism. Not interested in you any longer
My prediction is it’s Sauron. The flames didn’t burn Nori as the same in the first episode when Galadriel said it’s so evil that the heat from the flames is removed.
Wouldn't make much sense being Sauron though as the meteor comes from the west across the sea, so from the direction of Valinor, Sauron wouldnt have been there and if he was, he definitely wouldn't just be ejected
Halbrand is Sauron. The show ain’t discreet about it.
@@bienenfluegel definitely not
@@bienenfluegel Doubt that. For me I think Halbrand May be one of the Nazghul
@@ricoalphen1693 its literally been leaked months ago 😆 but feel free to let me know if I was right or not at the end of the season
I think they’re banking on everyone thinking it’s Gandalf and then BAM! it’s Glorfindel. Look it up, Glorfindel Second Age.
5$ says they will fuck this up royally and it'll end up being a self insert
Amazon - " well Tolkiens never said gandalf WASNT in the second age, he just said they came in a boat in the third age. "
Also Amazon - " Tolkiens never said ANYTHING about hobbits in the second age, let's throw that too"
this meteor guys is probably Tom the fu**ng Bombadil....because tom's origin is mystery
simplest answer is, nothing on books translates to the screen directly is impossible. its like complaining about every movie related to books that have existed. they have to compress time a lot.
that says, almost anyone knows nothing about it.
only like 1 person of every 30 that I've met have read anything about lord of the rings. lets say 10 have seen lord of the rings movies.
Yeah who cares about staying true to the source material when there’s money to be made
the way I understand it, Tolkein Enterprises, or whoever controls the rights was very strict on what Amazon could actually use and what timeline they could use it in.
Well, it turns out Elendil and Isildur are already alive, and the writer’s don’t care about being true to the timeline.
So it’s probably Gandalf.
the timelines been compressed and "Streamlined"
Don't worry about it, it isn't a documentary.
The note in "The Peoples of Middle-earth" that you're probably referring to is about the two Istari that were later known as the blue ones. And that note says that those two Istari might have arrived in Middle-earth in the SA, around year 1600, same as Glorfindel.
However also in "The Peoples of Middle-earth" there is one more note which says that Olórin, as a Maiar, might have visited Middle-earth before he arrived on the continent in 1000 TA as one of the Istari known later as Gandalf.
“I am the servant of the secret fire”
*whispers to insects*
“300 lifetimes I’ve walked this earth and now I have no time”
It’s Gandalf!!!
I think by the end of the show he will turn into a Balrog. 👀
Having him turn into the Balrog Gandalf fights would be pretty amazing
I loved seeing the dwarf mines before they "dug too deep." I was impressed.
The Blue Wizards were sent to Middle-earth at roughly the same time as Glorfindel in c. S.A. 1600 (and similarly at the behest of the Valar), the Year of Dread, when Sauron forged the One Ring and completed the building of Barad-dûr.
Nah meteor looks cool. I don’t wanna see Gandalf comming of the boat 😂
So we disregard the lore just to make it look cool lol ok see how that worked out amazon, not good
@@angryvaultguy Lore? Tolkein’s work is so vast that most of it isn’t even drafted yet. You seem like a 15 year old who’s read 2-3 books and think you’ve read everything. Mate I admire Tolkien’s work and love other people’s interpretations beacuse I know nothing can match the original work.
@@SP000 yeah alright that sounds like an excuse for defending amazons soulless adaptation of tolkein's work 'mate' and age dose not means one is more right just because your older or something
His probably one of the blue wizards who arrived in the second age.
They still arrived in the 2nd age a few years before Gandalf, Saruman and Radagast
It’s gonna be a lot of this shit sadly
Someone made a theory that that's one of the blue wizards because in Tolkien's later writing, it stated the blue wizards arrived in middle earth in the year 1600 Second age the same time glorfindel arrived
It’s Olorin, the first version of Gandalf
It still doesn’t make sense Olorin lived in Valinor with the other Maia he was sent to middle earth with the other wizards by Manwë and he came via ship not a fire ball from the sky with amnesia
Gandalf is the first thing I thought when watching the episode, despite having read all the appendices, Silmarilion, and other posthumously published material. My thought was that he is such a gigantic draw, and so beloved that excluding him seemed a liability or at least lost opportunity to grab casual fans with something familiar. It truly is not a continuity breaking change and Gandalf can take the advisor/back up/elf-human liaison role occupied by Glorfindel in the campaigns against Angmar.
I will burn down amazon if that turns out to be gandalf
you do remember that Olorin, did walked on earth before he come back as a istari
Full video?
The only wizard that would make sense introducing in the second age is one of the blue wizards, but if they want it to make sense they’ll need to introduce a second Stranger character and make them team up in Rhûn, since the blue wizards were a pair and were working in the east and not the west