In my 30 years of experience wearing all the different types of fabrics..I have come to the conclusion that if you truly want to stay dry then you wear Wax Cotton..if you travel any significant distance or out for long periods of time wax cotton is the only product that actually works. If you are an urban city rider then a waterproof 'over jacket' - 'pull on trousers' is ideally the most protective.. in my experience all the modern fabrics give up over time and need replacing wax cotton can be re-waxed and repaired if damaged.. waterproof over jackets/trousers are cheap enough to replace when worn out.. don't waste your money on expensive technical kit.
Thanks for the heads up. Being a new rider and mainly pottering around suburbia/town/city…I invested in (what I think) an expensive over-trouser…..I was specifically after not just something waterproof but also high-vis seeing as the days are getting shorter here in Blighty….might get a chance to test it tomorrow as it’s supposed to be quite heavy rain down south …..and if it does, it’ll be my first ride in the wet ….😂
I absolutely agree with you about outer layers. I use the Scott ergo from more than 5 years (just one Scott pant failed between legs after 4 years of daily riding). Great product ! Outer layer keeps your cloth dry and you don't have to let your motorcycle gear dry for hours or all night long + it's efficient and reliable. Layers can be packed in dry bags after rain and let it dry back home. The down side is that, if your riding without them, you have to park the bike to wear your outer layers (if it already raining...).
No technical gear is really waterproof for long. The scott waterproofs are good, but for really long rides in the cold and wet, a waterproof boiler suit is warmer, as there are no draughts, but a pain when stopping for a toilet break. Always take 3 pairs of gloves. Wear waterproof socks under you so-called waterproof boots, or go with rubber boots. Horse riding boots aren't bad. If you're jacket doesn't go up to your chin, add some waterproof material to the front of your buff, and have it outside your collar. Keep you gear in dry bags. Get them from a kayaking supplier, they won't be marked up to biker prices. Take a waterproof hat for when you take off your helmet. My two penneth 🤗
Yep I’m a golf pro that loves riding motorcycles- look to other sports for gear. Bike brands rip us off. Dont get me wrong Gore-tex isnt cheap but from Motorcycles brands it is
Thank you. Great content. In my experience if it has to be waterproof or dust proof it is about layers. Like your laptop. Waterproof bag inside a waterproof bag. Waterproof over waterproof jacket. When one fails the second is there to catch the ingress.
I spent years using hiking waterproofs but they’re just not durable enough i had many holes and zip failures. The Scott ergo jacket has been the best by far for torrential rain. My belstaff crosby has been daily use through winter months for 7 years now and still perfect. Just needs re-waxing from time to time. Genuinely spot on advice in this video, thanks
One name you didn't mention was Knox. I know we tend to think of their mesh jackets as summer gear, but they're also really good when the weather turns wet, because you're separating the protective layer from the insulating and waterproof layers, so you can tailor what you wear, and use the best gear without being restricted to motorcycle only clothing. I'm personally not that keen on Knox's own outer layers, they're a bit too fell-walker for me, perhaps because they're based in Cumbria, but a Knox Urbane Pro combined with decent outdoor gear works really well, and doesn't weigh you down half as much as a single motorbike jacket that's trying to do everything at once.
I've used a North Face waterproof outer layer for over 10 years and have now replaced it with one from Arcterix. I just find that I can have it in my bag always with me, regardless of whether I'm on or off the bike. For my bag I use Yeti backpack, it's technically water resistant, but I've been heavily rained on and it has done the job well enough. My laptop and all the internals were kept dry
Great Video. Thank you. As a newbee (4y) i had to learn it the hard way, that waterproof doesn't mean waterproof. And i can totaly aggree with most comments made here: •Cotton Wax! Great. I own the legendgear panniers, and troubled myself with waxing them, (4 times waxing and baking it in) and i never needed the inlays again. •Motorcyclebrands are too expensive for outer layers. I do use my decathlon hiking gear and it never failed me so far, and of course i can use it for hikingg as well. Wich, the other way round wouldn't work half as good, and not half as good looking.... As for boots, after quite some time of returning "waterproof" boots to the store, i had, and have my best time with some Stylemartin Rockets. But even with them i tend to have some of theese ugly trashbaglike things to put over them when its going to get biblical.. same for the gloves. Nevertheless when the world seems to come to an end, my - now - waxlayered panniers would be a little moist on the inside but still waterproof in my eyes.... ending here, my best antifog i had so far is an open/cross helmet and googles. Getting a little wet round the neck, wich can be solved by a good buff, but ways more secure concerning visibility in the rain. I've never had a issue with visibility on the street. And especially in the rain you don't want to miss anything going on traficwise.....
In 30 years of commuting the only kit to keep me completely dry are my Hideout custom 2 piece textiles, made to order, flipping expensive but worth every penny when you are riding all year round.
Reference pinlock in the Summer take it of your visor to let it dry out, because it absorbs moisture while on the visor , so it will work properly again . Reference waterproofing getting laminated kit it works a lot better than layers ( 53 years experience.reference a layer of water on the outside of your jacket , while in the winter it freezes and your really driving in a fridge not good . And it’s heavier 🤪😊👍
Rain X is still the best for visors IMHO and tiny, tiny bottle I have has lasted a year. I recoat it every time I clean my visor (wet paper towel to soften the bugs and NO soap or chemical cleaning).
urban rider accepting it aint as hot as Texas is the woke mindset the world needs. Much love from cowboy town love the content because all the gear has a nice aesthetic and that's exactly what I'm looking for. good gear that doesn't look like garbage from north face.
Great vid. I have the Scott waterproofs. They are excellent. I put a mark on the storage bag so I can identify which is the jacket and which are the pants.
8:00 this is the only time i actually choose high-viz. I hate the color any other time, but for any heavy rain i prefer high viz. It also helps distinguish the jacket from the trouser
Have seen a tip to wear thin workshop plastic gloves under your main ones, not tried it yet, but it seems it could be a low-cost solution for when gloves wet-out.
10000 is definitely not waterproof. That's ok in a shower but not goid for actual rain. 30k is waterproof. Laminated layers are best especially as the good ones have excellent through venting.
4:30… “not that anyone ever does”… not so fast there Tim! Recoated my Merlin Kurkbury with Merlin Wax treatment… boom! Back to looking, and performing, like a brand new jacket. 😂
In my 30 years of experience wearing all the different types of fabrics..I have come to the conclusion that if you truly want to stay dry then you wear Wax Cotton..if you travel any significant distance or out for long periods of time wax cotton is the only product that actually works. If you are an urban city rider then a waterproof 'over jacket' - 'pull on trousers' is ideally the most protective.. in my experience all the modern fabrics give up over time and need replacing wax cotton can be re-waxed and repaired if damaged.. waterproof over jackets/trousers are cheap enough to replace when worn out.. don't waste your money on expensive technical kit.
Thanks for the heads up. Being a new rider and mainly pottering around suburbia/town/city…I invested in (what I think) an expensive over-trouser…..I was specifically after not just something waterproof but also high-vis seeing as the days are getting shorter here in Blighty….might get a chance to test it tomorrow as it’s supposed to be quite heavy rain down south …..and if it does, it’ll be my first ride in the wet ….😂
I absolutely agree with you about outer layers.
I use the Scott ergo from more than 5 years (just one Scott pant failed between legs after 4 years of daily riding). Great product !
Outer layer keeps your cloth dry and you don't have to let your motorcycle gear dry for hours or all night long + it's efficient and reliable.
Layers can be packed in dry bags after rain and let it dry back home. The down side is that, if your riding without them, you have to park the bike to wear your outer layers (if it already raining...).
No technical gear is really waterproof for long.
The scott waterproofs are good, but for really long rides in the cold and wet, a waterproof boiler suit is warmer, as there are no draughts, but a pain when stopping for a toilet break.
Always take 3 pairs of gloves.
Wear waterproof socks under you so-called waterproof boots, or go with rubber boots. Horse riding boots aren't bad.
If you're jacket doesn't go up to your chin, add some waterproof material to the front of your buff, and have it outside your collar.
Keep you gear in dry bags. Get them from a kayaking supplier, they won't be marked up to biker prices.
Take a waterproof hat for when you take off your helmet.
My two penneth 🤗
Yep I’m a golf pro that loves riding motorcycles- look to other sports for gear. Bike brands rip us off. Dont get me wrong Gore-tex isnt cheap but from Motorcycles brands it is
Thank you. Great content.
In my experience if it has to be waterproof or dust proof it is about layers. Like your laptop. Waterproof bag inside a waterproof bag. Waterproof over waterproof jacket. When one fails the second is there to catch the ingress.
I spent years using hiking waterproofs but they’re just not durable enough i had many holes and zip failures. The Scott ergo jacket has been the best by far for torrential rain. My belstaff crosby has been daily use through winter months for 7 years now and still perfect. Just needs re-waxing from time to time. Genuinely spot on advice in this video, thanks
One name you didn't mention was Knox. I know we tend to think of their mesh jackets as summer gear, but they're also really good when the weather turns wet, because you're separating the protective layer from the insulating and waterproof layers, so you can tailor what you wear, and use the best gear without being restricted to motorcycle only clothing.
I'm personally not that keen on Knox's own outer layers, they're a bit too fell-walker for me, perhaps because they're based in Cumbria, but a Knox Urbane Pro combined with decent outdoor gear works really well, and doesn't weigh you down half as much as a single motorbike jacket that's trying to do everything at once.
I've used a North Face waterproof outer layer for over 10 years and have now replaced it with one from Arcterix. I just find that I can have it in my bag always with me, regardless of whether I'm on or off the bike. For my bag I use Yeti backpack, it's technically water resistant, but I've been heavily rained on and it has done the job well enough. My laptop and all the internals were kept dry
Great Video. Thank you. As a newbee (4y) i had to learn it the hard way, that waterproof doesn't mean waterproof. And i can totaly aggree with most comments made here:
•Cotton Wax! Great. I own the legendgear panniers, and troubled myself with waxing them, (4 times waxing and baking it in) and i never needed the inlays again.
•Motorcyclebrands are too expensive for outer layers. I do use my decathlon hiking gear and it never failed me so far, and of course i can use it for hikingg as well. Wich, the other way round wouldn't work half as good, and not half as good looking....
As for boots, after quite some time of returning "waterproof" boots to the store, i had, and have my best time with some Stylemartin Rockets. But even with them i tend to have some of theese ugly trashbaglike things to put over them when its going to get biblical.. same for the gloves. Nevertheless when the world seems to come to an end, my - now - waxlayered panniers would be a little moist on the inside but still waterproof in my eyes....
ending here, my best antifog i had so far is an open/cross helmet and googles. Getting a little wet round the neck, wich can be solved by a good buff, but ways more secure concerning visibility in the rain. I've never had a issue with visibility on the street. And especially in the rain you don't want to miss anything going on traficwise.....
In 30 years of commuting the only kit to keep me completely dry are my Hideout custom 2 piece textiles, made to order, flipping expensive but worth every penny when you are riding all year round.
Reference pinlock in the Summer take it of your visor to let it dry out, because it absorbs moisture while on the visor , so it will work properly again . Reference waterproofing getting laminated kit it works a lot better than layers ( 53 years experience.reference a layer of water on the outside of your jacket , while in the winter it freezes and your really driving in a fridge not good . And it’s heavier 🤪😊👍
Rain X is still the best for visors IMHO and tiny, tiny bottle I have has lasted a year. I recoat it every time I clean my visor (wet paper towel to soften the bugs and NO soap or chemical cleaning).
urban rider accepting it aint as hot as Texas is the woke mindset the world needs. Much love from cowboy town love the content because all the gear has a nice aesthetic and that's exactly what I'm looking for. good gear that doesn't look like garbage from north face.
Great vid. I have the Scott waterproofs. They are excellent. I put a mark on the storage bag so I can identify which is the jacket and which are the pants.
8:00 this is the only time i actually choose high-viz. I hate the color any other time, but for any heavy rain i prefer high viz. It also helps distinguish the jacket from the trouser
Rewaxed my Merton - works a treat
Great vid for those of us in Seattle 🌦️. Nice to see Tim’s Duc. Heard about it on the podcast. 👍🤪🏳️🌈
Waterproof socks makes all boots waterproof, quite warm too
Have seen a tip to wear thin workshop plastic gloves under your main ones, not tried it yet, but it seems it could be a low-cost solution for when gloves wet-out.
I’m a gloves under my jacket sleeves person! The feeling when you stop and rain gushes down into your glove is horrible! Always gloves in!
Cool video!! Thanks for the job!!!
Go to the tropics and redo the wet & dry videos. 😀
What is the little side messenger bag that you have and the name brand and model please. Thanks
10000 is definitely not waterproof. That's ok in a shower but not goid for actual rain. 30k is waterproof.
Laminated layers are best especially as the good ones have excellent through venting.
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Trench 2 GTX ❤
Ergo pro , sleeves & legs r short 👎 big belly. Not ergo at all😂😂😂 design failure and still they dont have Ergo2 , why ?????
Doesn't IP goes up to 9? IP69?
4:30… “not that anyone ever does”… not so fast there Tim! Recoated my Merlin Kurkbury with Merlin Wax treatment… boom! Back to looking, and performing, like a brand new jacket. 😂
I use the car.
First 🥳