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Stupid, just improve public transit, especially trains, so people can commute longer from where they already live, and more people settle down outside the big cities.
.............. but I thought the seas were rising and Manhattan island was going to be underwater in ten years. You cannot trust the trillionaire elites and their plans. Its all fear mongering to seize control. The same goes for Miami. They claim it is going to be underwater in ten years and here we are 40 years later and it is not only not underwater but they are planning to turn it into a mega city for the Americas rivaling Shang Hai all while they also claim the seas are rising and we are all doomed and must adopt their authoritarian control over your life.
I unfortunately can’t see any scenario where NYC would actually build low cost housing. The public sector here can’t get anything done and there’s no money in low cost housing to entice the private sector to bother investing in it
@@AAthlete34 I live just fine I own a home, but we’re bringing it vast numbers of illlegals and as it is the working class can’t afford apartments. The amount of homeless people we have is a huge problem and it’s going to get worse. The city can’t seem to get out of its own way, the amount of red tape there is with construction permits and costs makes low income housing unprofitable for developers and this city blows its budget on other things. Long term it’s not viable for the city to be completely unaffordable for majority of the people who do live here and are forced to rent. You’re seeing the middle class fleeing to Florida, Tennesee, etc and those tax payers are being replaced by people coming here with no work and forced to sleep in front of these hotels. you can’t have just the wealthy and the poor
There are so many rules about residential construction and rentals that it is impossible to build new affordable housing. Change some of those to make it profitable and it could be just like the middle of the country. Not likely to happen, rules increase, which raises prices.
Which is why I think locals would vote it down and have fierce resistance. We can see what these investors are doing to borrklyn and now the Bronx it is pushing more people out.
@@bruhbutwhytho i mean that sounds great until you remember the same group of people set the prices for all of them are are literally leaving a ton of apartments empty right now to inflate the prices, so i am skeptical to say the least.
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This will not solve the housing shortage problem. Throughout the existing city of New York there are hundreds of thousands of empty properties, belonging to speculators and renters. When the new neighborhood is built, the new homes will certainly end up in the hands of these same guys, who will continue to charge unaffordable prices, making the problem of housing shortages persist.
Rent control laws and restrictions have limited housing growth in New York. Simply adding more land isn't going to domuch to solve the affordability problem that exists in NYC. The laws would need to change or be repealed.
Do you think it is just people moving in making it expensive. And sounds like you already live there ,if you rent I understand your statement but if you own sell and move somewhere else ,take the money and run .But I feel companies buy up housing and it isnthe reason rents are so high as it is a way of providing pension funds for employee or companies profiting.
Heh bow much was the average house umin Connecticut before the invasion of new yorkers? I daresay it wasnt all that cheap befote they all moved there. The whole tri state area is average about 400 to 500 k for what people think is a decent house and then there's property taxes, while they may be cheaper than nyc or long island, many young people still cant afford it.
@@corilia9529 There were some decent homes below 200k for sale before 2020, now thats only run down crack houses in Hartford or Bridgeport. Even decent condos start at 200k now.
Well, the title of your video is wrong. It isn't a proposal brought forward by NYC. It was a conceptual plan by a professor from a college in NJ. Not once did you tackle the subject of how NYC's government responded to Jason Barr's idea.
NY isn't near a major fault line like San Francisco is. If an earthquake hits on the east coast, it travels a lot further but is very tame in comparison. We had an earthquake hit a hundred or so miles away and we felt it up in central NJ.... but it was more of a minor shimmy.. and I've lived here for decades.
So this won’t get built. It’s almost universally understood at this point. Why this channel is choosing to make this a video so far after the fact can only be for clickbait. There is no point in discussing it further, it was already voted down.
Bad idea, sorry. The city is more than just Manhattan. 1. The New York Harbor is a very real waterway. 2. There is so much land that can be upzoned in the outer boroughs which could lead to more affordable housing. 3. No way on Earth, that new development will generate enough affordable housing. 4. Housing for a Mega Region cannot be on NYC's shoulders alone, the suburbs will need to add housing.
Civil Engineer here. Where would all of the fill come from? Harbor dredging? This would require significant sourcing of material with extensive cofferdams. If ground conditions for structural support called for soils with greater bearing capacity than the marine sediments could provide, huge importation of fill would be required, causing construction costs to get really, really, expensive.
With sea level rise anticipated the extension platform will no doubt be built on tall pylons to survive any sea level rise or storm surge. Any other option would likely be pointless.
During proposal they make it seem like the 250 thousand people living there will be regular bums like us but guess who's gonna be living in those brand new condos in the extension? ...I'll give you a clue. it won't be you,
How expensive would housing in New Manhattan be? If it’s too high, not enough American people would be willing to move there and thus make it harder to justify its construction.
If they're gonna build sumthn to fill sum body of water, shouldn't they do that in Jamaica Bay instead, I hear that was proposed over the years when subway planners were speculating where to extend their lines.
And who would be the first persons to own the property, to sell it off? If taxpayer money was originally used to build it, wouldn't taxpayers be the original owners?
Depending on the task at hand, the desired quality and the money invested in the project, Cinese can complete construction overnight. And the project will stand for centuries, like the Chinese Wall and be as sophisticated and reliable as Chinese Bullet Train railway system.
I wonder why that's never happened to any of the already existing reclaimed land in NYC, oh wait, nevermind, I don't wonder, it's cause we don't get earthquakes in NYC
@@alouie001 5.9 is a small earthquake that only does damage at the epicenter and that's the largest earthquake in NYC history, anything less than 5 doesn't do any damage and the 1944 earthquake is the only earthquake over a 5 in the last 150 years and 1 of only 3 ever recorded in NYC's entire history so your comment about quicksand was ridiculous
why dont they break the project down into 10 or 20 layers if its such a huge and expensive project, if the city wanted to do this, why not extend the island 1 or 2 blocks or so, than start building on that so you can sell/tax the land and reinvest money into building the next layer, who says it has to be done all at once before you can build anything?
Sadly this dont help situation at all. Like 10years ago i could think to live in Manhattan but not any more. Maybe Brooklyn is better today? I like history of N.Y. Not this Billionere thing. I rather move many other citys today. Gladly i live in Helsinki so i have time or i dont have to even move at all.
I wish I just had the transporter Power from the film jumper or the anime Saving 80,000 Gold in Another World for my Retirement. My perfect New York apartment would be where there’s just a door that I walk into after work, and I pay 20 bucks a month, I transport myself somewhere else. I would love to go to work and hang out in New York, and then transport myself back to a more cheaper place possibly in the south. lol 😂
Since this would take decades to permit, plan, finance & build the 12’ rise even with wetlands would not be enough to insure no flooding with climate change. What is probable is that there will be a 60+ meter (200+ foot) rise in ocean mean high tide. Better to increase housing above 15th Street in Troy NY. Below 15th Street will be the new NY harbor.
267,000 thousand new units of housing would definitely open up affordable housing options. If they extend Manhattan and also just build more buildings and make them taller in all 5 boroughs there’s no reason why rents will stay sky high, but only time can tell
Why would rents remain staggering? Do you know why things are priced the way they are? If things cost too much it is usually because there is a shortage. There are too many people in the city for the amount of housing. If 2,000 acres were added, it would probably solve the shortage problem.
If new Manhatta were to be built, it's not going to be directed to affordable housing deficiencies in the city nor middle class income homes which are desperately needed. It's absurd to think so given the last few expansions in the city. This will be another elite playground like Hudson Yards, the Highline, and Domino Park, etc. etc. Who are we kidding? You'd be delusional to think that, and I say this as an Architect who works in the city. Let's deal with the problems we can currently address within the existing confines. I think we'd be better off than these pipe dreams that only serve the developers and elites.
Cities like Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochester and Binghamton, each with great architecture, are dying for redevelopment. Filling in rivers to make Manhattan even more congested is nuts.
I like the idea, but it would be better to redirect the money into expanding infrastructure instead. Improve the connections to Staten Island and Hudson County, NJ so they're more accessible so people can live further from Manhattan. Build the pedestrian bridge from Manhattan to Jersey City as a start, then build other pedestrian bridges and gondola's across the Hudson for easier access to Manhattan.
Also build a bridge from Long Island to Westchester or something so we can lessen the load of traffic that has to go through the Bronx/NYC so people can just travel from Connecticut to NJ easier, besides I-95
Why would New York help New Jersey? Every dollar spent on New Jersey is a dollar of loss revenue for New York government. Your idea is actually good, but in reality New York will never do it.
That's nice thinking, but woah it would be expensive to build bridges over a river as big as the Hudson, especially if they do not have as wide-reaching effects as a car bridge. Don't get me wrong though, I love pedestrian bridges.
More people living in new jersey would lessen the housing crisis in new york while at the same time making commuting into ny for work even nicer, thereby attracting more offices and jobs, creating a cycle.@@faldovifendi6878
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Jokes aside, their are no NIMBYs in the ocean, so they might be okay (same reason offshore wind is easier to build than onshore wind). Also they could use trash to fill in the reclaimed land, and New York makes loads of trash.
This looks like pure tone-deaf hubris in action. The rising water level is threatening to put a lot of lower Manhattan underwater in 100 years and now they want to extend the insanely expensive burden of keeping a below sea-level city dry by expanding it even further. Just develop the parts of NY and NJ that look like a post-industrial hellscape. If you want to sink huge sums of money into something: just spend it on high density housing in other parts of the city that are further inland, maybe even Fort Lee in NJ since it's above a cliff. To be honest, it sounds like an idea some coked-up Wall St guy hatched up while looking out of his office. Just improve what you have.
Agree, but after they get the money from rich folks for this, they can use it to rejuvenate the rest of the city. But you know they never spend money wisely.
Sea levels will only go up a few feet so it’s cheaper to protect the probably hundreds of billions of dollars or more in value on Manhattan than to give it up when you have a solution.
@@skygge1006 This is an incredibly dumb idea that is only going to punish poor people by making them serve as a barrier to lower Manhattan's elite. Google the NY Bight. It is a geographical region that is highly susceptible to extreme storm surge. Expanding further INTO the Bight would be the most blindsided idiotic thing if it wasn't a move to protect rich assets by making the extension basically a buffer full of sacrificial poor people. As others said this money should be used to BUILD out further into NYC noticably improving the Bronx and upzoning upstate areas. Fighting nature is not wise. This is hubris and corruption.
Climate change is real. It's been happening since the dawn of time. Man-made climate change, however, is a hoax perpetrated by Marxists to take over the world's economies... "you will own nothing and be happy"
Building all luxury housing on it would actually alleviate the housing prices. Some older "luxury" buildings would empty out. The problem is that it still wouldn't be enough to fix the problem of spiraling rents
@@Roadrunner0077 rented out for cheaper... supply and demand buddy, increase the supply and prices will fall unless there's price fixing, in which case, enforce regulations against that
If such a southward extension of Manhattan island were developed, would not incoming storm surges simply be forcibly channeled up the Hudson and East Rivers? Wouldn't that additional massive volume of surge waters then flood low lying areas of Upper Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx to a far greater extent than the degree to which they're currently at risk?
Privatize the wins from increased property values for the rich Mantatta residents and socialize the losses for the middle and lower class tax payers of NY who will have to pay for this boondoggle project. It makes a single tear roll down this proud American's cheek. Beautiful/Hideous
@@KalagenesisThat is why the WTC had to be built in a "bathtub" of bentonite concrete because bedrock is hundreds of feet below the surface. Even in Syracuse, the original Carousel Mall was built over "made land " consisting of multiple layers of marl, solvay and Coal gasification waste and anything else they could find. They never met a "waste they never liked" back in the day. It's about 300 ft to bedrock along the Lakeshore of Onondaga Lake.
I forgot how far above sea level New York is, but if all the ice melts from the places with ice sheets (ie Greenland, Antarctica, etc.), that’ll sink all of New York, plus every coastal city.
Your brother could move to Brooklyn, or Queens, and pay significantly less in rent; but that reduces the "Cool" factor of living in Manhattan, so he'll probably continue to pay astronomical rent. Let's face it: he could be paying less for a mortgage somewhere else, and have the benefits of ownership.
Look's like what's happening in Lagos, Nigeria. Lagos is reclaiming and expanding its size through the Eko Atlantic project. It started as a project to protect Lagos islands and Victoria Island in Lagos against flooding and erosion of its coast line from the Atlantic ocean then they went further to reclaim about 25km² of land from the ocean to build a new city on it. The project is still on going and worth talking about.
Of course not. The Dutch are reclaiming land already for decades to protect themselves against rising sea levels. around 25% of the Netherlands lays below sea level. Also Japan is reclaiming land for the same purpose. If you want to learn more about this, you can read: fig.net/resources/proceedings/fig_proceedings/fig2021/papers/ts04.1/TS04.1_okada_10992.pdf
Why is planning always only done for Manhattan when there are 5 burroughs in New York? Good idea but how about climate change planning for other burroughs also.
Or the end of the newly reclaimed land could form part of a Dyke + storm barrier system across the bay. At some point Manhattan will have a massive flood, the local government will panic and they'll throw up a massive storm defense system.
@@domtweed7323they did have a massive flood hurricane sandy it destroyed brand new infrastructure and they still have not even attempted to address some of the damage still today lol so im going to have to disagree the entirety of lower manhattan could be under water and they would not be able to get anything done lol
@@damnimloomin The solution to that would be to just import an engineering team who knows how to build flood defenses, for example from the dutch or Japanese (though I suspect both Bangladesh and Nigeria will rapidly be developing similar expertise soon). It'll cost a shit ton of money to import all the expertise and specialist equipment, but if they seriously believe Wall Street is threatened then I have no doubt it'll get done.
With all the trouble they went through to refocus attention back to the area near the WTC, I seriously doubt the state would allow any of this to happen. Definitely not any time soon! They want to recoup their funds used on that project first. I can see these proposals actually gaining steam in the next 20-50 years maybe. Lastly, there is NO housing shortage! There are building owners that are holding their properties empty for some sort of tax rebate/write off. There are also other buildings that only provide a small amount of affordable living spaces because the rest are luxury apartments. Buildings that do this only do so for the city and state subsidies they will qualify for upon completion. Things like this create a false sense of a shortage. Basically creating their own demand by withholding the supply.
I wonder how the people in New Mannahatta would feel knowing that place was built to protect the rest of NYC from super storms and hurricanes. It must be a beautiful feeling to know you'll be the one taking the bullet for the team 😂😂😂
*I am revising my previous comment after looking at the shape of the proposal - that's not a storm barrier, that's a storm channel straight into Midtown, Brooklyn Queens and the East River Islands.* You'd need to build barrier islands and wetlands in the Outer Harbor first. They you could put housing on New Manahatta
As someone who lives on the opposite side of the Hudson River in New Jersey, I'm disappointed that nothing was discussed about what a project would do to the nearby surrounding areas outside of Manhattan
yup, when you raise that land you drive the flooding into hoboken, downtown jersey city, coastal bayonne and weehawken. it porobably would affect red hook brooklyn and staten island . but who cares there's trillions to be made.
Cities in NJ across the river have sewer lines that are 100 years old. These sewer lines are combined, i.e. there are no separate lines for rain water and waste water. People in Manhattan live in 21-st century, people in NJ live in the beginning of 20-th century. When you cross Hudson river, you go 100 years back in time.
In spite of the recent flooding in NYC I would assume this city would decide to avoid removing the 'area with which the excess water resides'. You need space for water in a world of increasing sea levels, not more spaces to put people.
The north american continent doesnt have more space in land? Why create more space where water is? In a couple years the river will claim what was taken from it.
The sea level is rising, so let's extend the city on the sea, the 50m of horizontal wetland will certainly keep the sea out! Sounds clever. Its unfortunate that there isn't land anywhere else otherwise a higher ground could be use instead of building on the sea...
That new neighborhood will be just as exciting to live in as Hudson Yards (aka not exciting) or FiDi (aka not exciting) … we’d be better off FIXING THE SUBWAY so people could live in not-manhattan and actually get decent subway service .. I thought Manhattan was going to add a green beard of wetland to prevent storm surges, not landfill new neighborhood that no New Yorker will want to live in..?
Its a great idea. This area should be called "NEW VENICE" Super touristic attraction, if the buildings are designed for this. Secured investments & financing
Honestly, before you can even go into the longer-term problems of if it would actually help, funding imo as a nyer is the main problem. As you said, if private companies fund it, they would just create a rich paradise and not help actual nyers, while in no way does ny or NYC have the money to pay for it. Besides, it makes a lot more sense to develop underdeveloped land in and around the city. Its a cool concept, but it will remain like as just that for a long time, maybe ven forever.
the issue is NYC is already developed to the hilt... the only spaces not overdeveloped are the affordable places to live. And you can't pave over the parks. Greenspace is essential and NYC doesn't have enough as it is. What needs to happen is for majority empty buildings to be demolished after their minimal residents are relocated at city expense & the city needs to require development of the property to be mixed use with retail/community space on the bottom, and then at least a 60/40 split of affordable to high end units. They also need to raise the height cap in certain areas of the city. Adding an extra 5 floors onto a 10 floor building will add apartments and won't impact the overall skyline. Set backs also need to be taken advantage of. They don't need to be "patios" no one uses and they shouldn't be private terraces. They need to be community green spaces. Philadelphia has examples of some amazing high rise green spaces for the public. My favorite is a parking garage. The top is a park, complete with native trees.
Yeah, I agree except what you're saying sounds almost like forceful urban renewal. We just need to make sure that the people who are relocated are not forced to, and they are given a good alternative place to live.@@Chaotic_Pixie
@@Chaotic_Pixiei had written a whole paragraph and the video did something and everything was erases... short thing. NYC has a whole shit load of empty apartments and houses... if they would stop renting apartments for 4k for a studio and 1 million for a house there wouldnt be a shortage.
@scottwooledge6387 if you drive around brooklyn and Queens, you'll see abandoned houses and empty houses, and if you look up at the "new" apartment buildings, they are empty because people can't afford the rent.... put actual affordable limits on how much people can rent stuff for... it bet you see the rental market turn into houses being sold
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Stupid, just improve public transit, especially trains, so people can commute longer from where they already live, and more people settle down outside the big cities.
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.............. but I thought the seas were rising and Manhattan island was going to be underwater in ten years. You cannot trust the trillionaire elites and their plans. Its all fear mongering to seize control. The same goes for Miami. They claim it is going to be underwater in ten years and here we are 40 years later and it is not only not underwater but they are planning to turn it into a mega city for the Americas rivaling Shang Hai all while they also claim the seas are rising and we are all doomed and must adopt their authoritarian control over your life.
If such reclamation project ever comes true, it can be called Governors Peninsula in memory of the Governors Island it merges.
I unfortunately can’t see any scenario where NYC would actually build low cost housing. The public sector here can’t get anything done and there’s no money in low cost housing to entice the private sector to bother investing in it
I mean if you cant afford living in one of the most expensive cities in the US, why dont you just move out.
@@AAthlete34 I live just fine I own a home, but we’re bringing it vast numbers of illlegals and as it is the working class can’t afford apartments. The amount of homeless people we have is a huge problem and it’s going to get worse. The city can’t seem to get out of its own way, the amount of red tape there is with construction permits and costs makes low income housing unprofitable for developers and this city blows its budget on other things. Long term it’s not viable for the city to be completely unaffordable for majority of the people who do live here and are forced to rent. You’re seeing the middle class fleeing to Florida, Tennesee, etc and those tax payers are being replaced by people coming here with no work and forced to sleep in front of these hotels. you can’t have just the wealthy and the poor
There are so many rules about residential construction and rentals that it is impossible to build new affordable housing. Change some of those to make it profitable and it could be just like the middle of the country. Not likely to happen, rules increase, which raises prices.
Agreed. There is no direct benefit for those to be built, especially tied into the financial district and below.
Investors would jump on it and hike the prices up all the same. This is the only reason this project would ever be greenlit.
Which is why I think locals would vote it down and have fierce resistance. We can see what these investors are doing to borrklyn and now the Bronx it is pushing more people out.
@@damnimloominyou realize that more housing supply in Manhattan would likely lower prices in the outer boroughs though right?
@@bruhbutwhytho i mean that sounds great until you remember the same group of people set the prices for all of them are are literally leaving a ton of apartments empty right now to inflate the prices, so i am skeptical to say the least.
Rent control is a major part of the problem but New York isn't ready for that conversation.
oh no, it will be greelit because of them dollah signs in their eyes.
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I was thinking the same thing!
Toss your hat? Does anyone read anymore?
This will not solve the housing shortage problem. Throughout the existing city of New York there are hundreds of thousands of empty properties, belonging to speculators and renters. When the new neighborhood is built, the new homes will certainly end up in the hands of these same guys, who will continue to charge unaffordable prices, making the problem of housing shortages persist.
Absolutely, the problem is greed. There’s many empty apartments already
LOL. The city should get out of the business of private contracts. Rent control is destroying the city.
@@DwynNWynns rent control is the only way many people can afford to live in new york. if anything they need to expand it
Rent control laws and restrictions have limited housing growth in New York. Simply adding more land isn't going to domuch to solve the affordability problem that exists in NYC. The laws would need to change or be repealed.
Finally a voice of sanity, start by repealing the vacancy and stabiization laws of Facci Bruta Cuomo and big bird Deblasio.
As someone who lives in Connecticut, I'd love for this to happen so New Yorkers stop moving into my state and driving up housing costs.
Do you think it is just people moving in making it expensive. And sounds like you already live there ,if you rent I understand your statement but if you own sell and move somewhere else ,take the money and run .But I feel companies buy up housing and it isnthe reason rents are so high as it is a way of providing pension funds for employee or companies profiting.
Those New Yorkers are a huge tax base in Connecticut and south western ct might as well be absorbed into New York state
Heh bow much was the average house umin Connecticut before the invasion of new yorkers? I daresay it wasnt all that cheap befote they all moved there. The whole tri state area is average about 400 to 500 k for what people think is a decent house and then there's property taxes, while they may be cheaper than nyc or long island, many young people still cant afford it.
@@corilia9529 There were some decent homes below 200k for sale before 2020, now thats only run down crack houses in Hartford or Bridgeport. Even decent condos start at 200k now.
Well, the title of your video is wrong. It isn't a proposal brought forward by NYC. It was a conceptual plan by a professor from a college in NJ. Not once did you tackle the subject of how NYC's government responded to Jason Barr's idea.
Storm surges fine but how does adding more land at the same level protect against sea level rise? Just seems like more vulnerable land to me.
Think of how much of the funding would vanish into politician's pockets. The graft and corruption on a project of this scale would be huge !
Estimated completion: 200 years from now
Price tag: $100 trillion 😂
MAYBE 200 hundred years. Anyone who has an argument, look up the 2nd Avenue line, the train that never gets completed
They should probably build more tall buildings
My concern is that how geologically stable would this area be? Would it be another disaster like the Mission District in San Francisco?
You might mean the Marina District - built on fill that caused major damage to the buildings on it in the Loma Prieta quake.
there are alot pf areas in nyc built like that. think 5 towns and far rockaway
NY isn't near a major fault line like San Francisco is. If an earthquake hits on the east coast, it travels a lot further but is very tame in comparison. We had an earthquake hit a hundred or so miles away and we felt it up in central NJ.... but it was more of a minor shimmy.. and I've lived here for decades.
But they tell us the sea level is rising. Why would anyone do this if that were true?
So this won’t get built. It’s almost universally understood at this point. Why this channel is choosing to make this a video so far after the fact can only be for clickbait. There is no point in discussing it further, it was already voted down.
Bad idea, sorry. The city is more than just Manhattan. 1. The New York Harbor is a very real waterway. 2. There is so much land that can be upzoned in the outer boroughs which could lead to more affordable housing. 3. No way on Earth, that new development will generate enough affordable housing. 4. Housing for a Mega Region cannot be on NYC's shoulders alone, the suburbs will need to add housing.
They can do this, but they can't connect Staten Island to the rest of the city via the subway system. Shows where their priorities are.
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Civil Engineer here. Where would all of the fill come from? Harbor dredging? This would require significant sourcing of material with extensive cofferdams. If ground conditions for structural support called for soils with greater bearing capacity than the marine sediments could provide, huge importation of fill would be required, causing construction costs to get really, really, expensive.
You're incorrect
@@kevinnorris6558 Yeah, how?
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With sea level rise anticipated the extension platform will no doubt be built on tall pylons to survive any sea level rise or storm surge. Any other option would likely be pointless.
Why not go all the way to include Staten Island? They already have to pay city taxes.
During proposal they make it seem like the 250 thousand people living there will be regular bums like us but guess who's gonna be living in those brand new condos in the extension? ...I'll give you a clue. it won't be you,
How expensive would housing in New Manhattan be? If it’s too high, not enough American people would be willing to move there and thus make it harder to justify its construction.
I can't wait!
178000*how many flats are in one skyscraper* 60 million per flat...
Why add more?
Can't that produce flooding?
Rising sea levels will certainly "sink" all of these ideas. Developers should start on higher ground from now on.
If they're gonna build sumthn to fill sum body of water, shouldn't they do that in Jamaica Bay instead, I hear that was proposed over the years when subway planners were speculating where to extend their lines.
Predicted Completion Date - February 30th, 9004
Bruh!! Nah! This ain't ever happening! NYC's construction labourers are really busy and this would be costly.
where are they going to find 250k people who can afford to buy a property there? 🤣
Have you never heard of renting?
And who would be the first persons to own the property, to sell it off? If taxpayer money was originally used to
build it, wouldn't taxpayers be the original owners?
You know how they say, if you build it-they will come
Depending on the task at hand, the desired quality and the money invested in the project, Cinese can complete construction overnight. And the project will stand for centuries, like the Chinese Wall and be as sophisticated and reliable as Chinese Bullet Train railway system.
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What a waste of money as the old Manhattan is already sinking and subject to flooding.
If it gonna take so long, they need to remember it can be an eyesore until its finished.
The congestion is a non-problem. Just remove parking spots and roads, and offer public transport solutions. Cars don't belong in cities.
NY needs to grow and the south end of Manhattan is the obvious choice. It would create new housing and parks for best city in the world. SO do it.
As long as they don't mess up the land and extend it into the NJ border... :) This design seems to just skirt that line.
In an earthquake the reclaimed land becomes quicksand.
I wonder why that's never happened to any of the already existing reclaimed land in NYC, oh wait, nevermind, I don't wonder, it's cause we don't get earthquakes in NYC
@@xp8969 That is incorrect. The last one was 1944 5.9 quake. Because its infrequent is not the same as improbable.
@@alouie001 5.9 is a small earthquake that only does damage at the epicenter and that's the largest earthquake in NYC history, anything less than 5 doesn't do any damage and the 1944 earthquake is the only earthquake over a 5 in the last 150 years and 1 of only 3 ever recorded in NYC's entire history so your comment about quicksand was ridiculous
The Dutch would have it done already and been planting Tulips.
why dont they break the project down into 10 or 20 layers if its such a huge and expensive project,
if the city wanted to do this, why not extend the island 1 or 2 blocks or so, than start building on that so you can sell/tax the land and reinvest money into building the next layer,
who says it has to be done all at once before you can build anything?
Their new migrant residents are going to love their new homes.
A neighbourhood with a closer view to the statue of liberty, no way it will be affordable
Weird how all a sudden nyc is flooded!! Joe!
And it will take another hundred years to finish the subway.
Perfect place to place all the new migrant citizens.
They better not do this. It would ruin the skyline and the history.
They just need to use staten island more
Im sure that will be good for the environment.
Sadly this dont help situation at all. Like 10years ago i could think to live in Manhattan but not any more. Maybe Brooklyn is better today? I like history of N.Y. Not this Billionere thing. I rather move many other citys today. Gladly i live in Helsinki so i have time or i dont have to even move at all.
That's a very good looking resident
I wish I just had the transporter Power from the film jumper or the anime Saving 80,000 Gold in Another World for my Retirement. My perfect New York apartment would be where there’s just a door that I walk into after work, and I pay 20 bucks a month, I transport myself somewhere else.
I would love to go to work and hang out in New York, and then transport myself back to a more cheaper place possibly in the south. lol 😂
Who do they think they are? The Dutch? Hire Dutch engineers and they will do this small job right.
What this really is about is greed!
Since this would take decades to permit, plan, finance & build the 12’ rise even with wetlands would not be enough to insure no flooding with climate change. What is probable is that there will be a 60+ meter (200+ foot) rise in ocean mean high tide. Better to increase housing above 15th Street in Troy NY. Below 15th Street will be the new NY harbor.
When you buy waterfront property but few decades later you have inland property.
i'll believe it when i see, it !
It'll work about as well as Dubai
This dlc looking kinda crazy ngl
Lol the city is going to be below sea level by the end of the century. No point is making more land to put under the tides.
nice video
it too 100+ years for the 2nd ave subway. Not going to happen
And sea rise will have no effect??
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But I can't build a swing set in my back yard because it's considered wetlands unbelievable.
As a New Yorker, I like the idea of protection against storms, but new housing units mean nothing if rents remain staggering.
267,000 thousand new units of housing would definitely open up affordable housing options. If they extend Manhattan and also just build more buildings and make them taller in all 5 boroughs there’s no reason why rents will stay sky high, but only time can tell
Where does the water go? Oh yea it floods all the other boroughs that cant be raised up higher as the sea level increases. L af
Why would rents remain staggering? Do you know why things are priced the way they are? If things cost too much it is usually because there is a shortage. There are too many people in the city for the amount of housing. If 2,000 acres were added, it would probably solve the shortage problem.
@@lanxy2398 Thank you! Affordable housing has been an issue ever since NYC became a metropolitan, our great grand children won't live to see it.
Oh yeah. These are housing units for the rich. No question.
If new Manhatta were to be built, it's not going to be directed to affordable housing deficiencies in the city nor middle class income homes which are desperately needed. It's absurd to think so given the last few expansions in the city. This will be another elite playground like Hudson Yards, the Highline, and Domino Park, etc. etc. Who are we kidding? You'd be delusional to think that, and I say this as an Architect who works in the city. Let's deal with the problems we can currently address within the existing confines. I think we'd be better off than these pipe dreams that only serve the developers and elites.
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I definitely agree. Well said.
Cities like Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochester and Binghamton, each with great architecture, are dying for redevelopment. Filling in rivers to make Manhattan even more congested is nuts.
Unfortunately common sense is no longer available
New York City is the capital of waste *( money laundry services)
Not to mention sea level rise due to climate change.
More people want to live in nyc than upstate
@JamieGAdaire people are leaving those cities because they are extremely expensive. They are expensive because a lot of people want to live there.
@@bruhbutwhytho More owners of property can get away with a closet as an apartment
I like the idea, but it would be better to redirect the money into expanding infrastructure instead. Improve the connections to Staten Island and Hudson County, NJ so they're more accessible so people can live further from Manhattan. Build the pedestrian bridge from Manhattan to Jersey City as a start, then build other pedestrian bridges and gondola's across the Hudson for easier access to Manhattan.
Also build a bridge from Long Island to Westchester or something so we can lessen the load of traffic that has to go through the Bronx/NYC so people can just travel from Connecticut to NJ easier, besides I-95
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Why would New York help New Jersey? Every dollar spent on New Jersey is a dollar of loss revenue for New York government.
Your idea is actually good, but in reality New York will never do it.
That's nice thinking, but woah it would be expensive to build bridges over a river as big as the Hudson, especially if they do not have as wide-reaching effects as a car bridge. Don't get me wrong though, I love pedestrian bridges.
More people living in new jersey would lessen the housing crisis in new york while at the same time making commuting into ny for work even nicer, thereby attracting more offices and jobs, creating a cycle.@@faldovifendi6878
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3700 US for 2 people in a 500 square meter apartment is just craaazy 💀💀
That's 500 square feet and equates to 46.45 square meters.
Nobody wants 30x the space for the same price in texas
It would take decades for New York State to get this done but the Chinese communist party would have this completed by New Year
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And then the new land would sink into the ocean. 😂
Jokes aside, their are no NIMBYs in the ocean, so they might be okay (same reason offshore wind is easier to build than onshore wind).
Also they could use trash to fill in the reclaimed land, and New York makes loads of trash.
The CCP can build faster because they're an authoritarian government and the build to lower standards than we do here in the US.
regular new year or lunar new year ?
This looks like pure tone-deaf hubris in action. The rising water level is threatening to put a lot of lower Manhattan underwater in 100 years and now they want to extend the insanely expensive burden of keeping a below sea-level city dry by expanding it even further. Just develop the parts of NY and NJ that look like a post-industrial hellscape. If you want to sink huge sums of money into something: just spend it on high density housing in other parts of the city that are further inland, maybe even Fort Lee in NJ since it's above a cliff.
To be honest, it sounds like an idea some coked-up Wall St guy hatched up while looking out of his office. Just improve what you have.
Agree, but after they get the money from rich folks for this, they can use it to rejuvenate the rest of the city. But you know they never spend money wisely.
Sea levels will only go up a few feet so it’s cheaper to protect the probably hundreds of billions of dollars or more in value on Manhattan than to give it up when you have a solution.
You can fix both what you have and dream about future
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This is an incredibly dumb idea that is only going to punish poor people by making them serve as a barrier to lower Manhattan's elite. Google the NY Bight. It is a geographical region that is highly susceptible to extreme storm surge. Expanding further INTO the Bight would be the most blindsided idiotic thing if it wasn't a move to protect rich assets by making the extension basically a buffer full of sacrificial poor people. As others said this money should be used to BUILD out further into NYC noticably improving the Bronx and upzoning upstate areas. Fighting nature is not wise. This is hubris and corruption.
Climate change is real. It's been happening since the dawn of time. Man-made climate change, however, is a hoax perpetrated by Marxists to take over the world's economies... "you will own nothing and be happy"
Building all luxury housing on it would actually alleviate the housing prices. Some older "luxury" buildings would empty out. The problem is that it still wouldn't be enough to fix the problem of spiraling rents
Empty out and rented right back out
@@Roadrunner0077 rented out for cheaper... supply and demand buddy, increase the supply and prices will fall unless there's price fixing, in which case, enforce regulations against that
If such a southward extension of Manhattan island were developed, would not incoming storm surges simply be forcibly channeled up the Hudson and East Rivers? Wouldn't that additional massive volume of surge waters then flood low lying areas of Upper Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx to a far greater extent than the degree to which they're currently at risk?
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Privatize the wins from increased property values for the rich Mantatta residents and socialize the losses for the middle and lower class tax payers of NY who will have to pay for this boondoggle project. It makes a single tear roll down this proud American's cheek.
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Look at you! Thinking about easily foreseeable consequences! We can’t have that!
Also you need bedrock and stone for tall buildings and NYC infrastructure.Most land reclaimation only fill with sand
@@KalagenesisThat is why the WTC had to be built in a "bathtub" of bentonite concrete because bedrock is hundreds of feet below the surface. Even in Syracuse, the original Carousel Mall was built over "made land " consisting of multiple layers of marl, solvay and Coal gasification waste and anything else they could find. They never met a "waste they never liked" back in the day. It's about 300 ft to bedrock along the Lakeshore of Onondaga Lake.
Isnt nyc sinking
Right
I forgot how far above sea level New York is, but if all the ice melts from the places with ice sheets (ie Greenland, Antarctica, etc.), that’ll sink all of New York, plus every coastal city.
yes it is, like whats the point
Barely
@@malibupromqueeni invite you to return to this comment in 2050. NYC is not sinking anytime soon..
Your brother could move to Brooklyn, or Queens, and pay significantly less in rent; but that reduces the "Cool" factor of living in Manhattan, so he'll probably continue to pay astronomical rent. Let's face it: he could be paying less for a mortgage somewhere else, and have the benefits of ownership.
Look's like what's happening in Lagos, Nigeria. Lagos is reclaiming and expanding its size through the Eko Atlantic project. It started as a project to protect Lagos islands and Victoria Island in Lagos against flooding and erosion of its coast line from the Atlantic ocean then they went further to reclaim about 25km² of land from the ocean to build a new city on it. The project is still on going and worth talking about.
Netherlands is the best example of reclaiming land like half their country used to be the ocean.
Guess they’re banking on China and the U.S. to solve rising sea levels and changing climate. Really?!
What they are building there is for the super rich so they don't have to look at the poors.
Can barely build a 2 mile subway extension in how many years but they gonna extend one of the most densely packed islands lmao 😂😂😂
Only took a century
If sea level rise predictions are correct, this proposal is dangerous
I have the same thoughts
obviously they aren't correct
Of course not. The Dutch are reclaiming land already for decades to protect themselves against rising sea levels. around 25% of the Netherlands lays below sea level. Also Japan is reclaiming land for the same purpose. If you want to learn more about this, you can read:
fig.net/resources/proceedings/fig_proceedings/fig2021/papers/ts04.1/TS04.1_okada_10992.pdf
It takes years to complete environmental impact studies for a simple bridge in NYC.
Why is planning always only done for Manhattan when there are 5 burroughs in New York? Good idea but how about climate change planning for other burroughs also.
If you want it to be built properly, let the Dutch do it.
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Has there been any real tidal work done on this? At a glance I’m thinking there’s a good chance this would funnel storm surges up the East River…
No, no one else has considered this. Fortunately you thought of it 30 seconds into the video. What will we do without people like you?
Or the end of the newly reclaimed land could form part of a Dyke + storm barrier system across the bay. At some point Manhattan will have a massive flood, the local government will panic and they'll throw up a massive storm defense system.
@@domtweed7323they did have a massive flood hurricane sandy it destroyed brand new infrastructure and they still have not even attempted to address some of the damage still today lol so im going to have to disagree the entirety of lower manhattan could be under water and they would not be able to get anything done lol
@@damnimloomin The solution to that would be to just import an engineering team who knows how to build flood defenses, for example from the dutch or Japanese (though I suspect both Bangladesh and Nigeria will rapidly be developing similar expertise soon).
It'll cost a shit ton of money to import all the expertise and specialist equipment, but if they seriously believe Wall Street is threatened then I have no doubt it'll get done.
Probably true, tides go all the way up the Hudson to what used to be called the Tappan Zee Bridge (Now Cuomo) that's almost up to West Point.
With all the trouble they went through to refocus attention back to the area near the WTC, I seriously doubt the state would allow any of this to happen. Definitely not any time soon! They want to recoup their funds used on that project first. I can see these proposals actually gaining steam in the next 20-50 years maybe. Lastly, there is NO housing shortage! There are building owners that are holding their properties empty for some sort of tax rebate/write off. There are also other buildings that only provide a small amount of affordable living spaces because the rest are luxury apartments. Buildings that do this only do so for the city and state subsidies they will qualify for upon completion. Things like this create a false sense of a shortage. Basically creating their own demand by withholding the supply.
Those transition effects are really annoying…
I wonder how the people in New Mannahatta would feel knowing that place was built to protect the rest of NYC from super storms and hurricanes. It must be a beautiful feeling to know you'll be the one taking the bullet for the team 😂😂😂
Providing housing for incomes of 125k-275k & calling it affordable housing ...
That's middle class in NYC
*I am revising my previous comment after looking at the shape of the proposal - that's not a storm barrier, that's a storm channel straight into Midtown, Brooklyn Queens and the East River Islands.*
You'd need to build barrier islands and wetlands in the Outer Harbor first. They you could put housing on New Manahatta
As someone who lives on the opposite side of the Hudson River in New Jersey, I'm disappointed that nothing was discussed about what a project would do to the nearby surrounding areas outside of Manhattan
yup, when you raise that land you drive the flooding into hoboken, downtown jersey city, coastal bayonne and weehawken. it porobably would affect red hook brooklyn and staten island . but who cares there's trillions to be made.
Cities in NJ across the river have sewer lines that are 100 years old.
These sewer lines are combined, i.e. there are no separate lines for rain water and waste water.
People in Manhattan live in 21-st century, people in NJ live in the beginning of 20-th century.
When you cross Hudson river, you go 100 years back in time.
They are just gonna make a subway expansion and hopefully house 200,000 people. Thats kinda it.
@@OhhCats hahahahahahaha
oh wait you're serious. let me laugh even harder
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In spite of the recent flooding in NYC I would assume this city would decide to avoid removing the 'area with which the excess water resides'. You need space for water in a world of increasing sea levels, not more spaces to put people.
The north american continent doesnt have more space in land? Why create more space where water is? In a couple years the river will claim what was taken from it.
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Uh...yeah that is what I said....
It is an interesting project, but I am afraid that it will ruin the view of the lower Manhattan.
True
Okay, I'll put a word in. Consider it done gentlemen.
Worried about the view! 😂😂😂
Better build more connections to New Jersey and expand there! There's plenty of useful and cheaper space.
The sea level is rising, so let's extend the city on the sea, the 50m of horizontal wetland will certainly keep the sea out! Sounds clever.
Its unfortunate that there isn't land anywhere else otherwise a higher ground could be use instead of building on the sea...
That new neighborhood will be just as exciting to live in as Hudson Yards (aka not exciting) or FiDi (aka not exciting) … we’d be better off FIXING THE SUBWAY so people could live in not-manhattan and actually get decent subway service .. I thought Manhattan was going to add a green beard of wetland to prevent storm surges, not landfill new neighborhood that no New Yorker will want to live in..?
It takes NY 10 years to repair a one mile stretch of roadway. If this land extension ever go approved, it wouldn’t be finished until the year 2100.
Its a great idea.
This area should be called "NEW VENICE"
Super touristic attraction, if the buildings are designed for this.
Secured investments & financing
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Honestly, before you can even go into the longer-term problems of if it would actually help, funding imo as a nyer is the main problem. As you said, if private companies fund it, they would just create a rich paradise and not help actual nyers, while in no way does ny or NYC have the money to pay for it. Besides, it makes a lot more sense to develop underdeveloped land in and around the city. Its a cool concept, but it will remain like as just that for a long time, maybe ven forever.
the issue is NYC is already developed to the hilt... the only spaces not overdeveloped are the affordable places to live. And you can't pave over the parks. Greenspace is essential and NYC doesn't have enough as it is. What needs to happen is for majority empty buildings to be demolished after their minimal residents are relocated at city expense & the city needs to require development of the property to be mixed use with retail/community space on the bottom, and then at least a 60/40 split of affordable to high end units. They also need to raise the height cap in certain areas of the city. Adding an extra 5 floors onto a 10 floor building will add apartments and won't impact the overall skyline. Set backs also need to be taken advantage of. They don't need to be "patios" no one uses and they shouldn't be private terraces. They need to be community green spaces. Philadelphia has examples of some amazing high rise green spaces for the public. My favorite is a parking garage. The top is a park, complete with native trees.
Yeah, I agree except what you're saying sounds almost like forceful urban renewal. We just need to make sure that the people who are relocated are not forced to, and they are given a good alternative place to live.@@Chaotic_Pixie
@@Chaotic_Pixiei had written a whole paragraph and the video did something and everything was erases... short thing. NYC has a whole shit load of empty apartments and houses... if they would stop renting apartments for 4k for a studio and 1 million for a house there wouldnt be a shortage.
Neen7 is right. There is so much empty and underutilized space in NYC. A ton. And I don’t mean green space.
@scottwooledge6387 if you drive around brooklyn and Queens, you'll see abandoned houses and empty houses, and if you look up at the "new" apartment buildings, they are empty because people can't afford the rent.... put actual affordable limits on how much people can rent stuff for... it bet you see the rental market turn into houses being sold
Never happen.
I don’t see this being feasible , but it would be insanely cool if it actually was done
Have you seen what China has done. Anything is possible