Boots on the ground? NATO allies reject Macron's 'troops for Ukraine' overture • FRANCE 24 English
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
- Emmanuel Macron has turned heads at a hastily organised summit for Ukraine. The French president for the first time evoked the possibility of Western troops to thwart a Russian victory - one option among many. Macron himself acknowledged that opinions vary. In other words, he's very much in the minority.
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Russia is ending the French colonial project in Africa.
Macron can't hide the frustration.
Russia is ending Russia.
...by their colonial project
What lol, there is no colonial project..? There are several aid projects from several EU countries trying to help African countries become self sufficient for decades now, while Russia just steals the African resources...
Nice try Boris.
@@tinkerduck1373 Russia doesn't have colonial projects in Africa instead they helps African to fight American and the European colonialism.
Russia is hardly an anti-colonial power. They only destroy one empire to replace it with their own.
Why would France or NATO need to send troops? Ukraine is WINNING BIG, they have only lost 31,000 out of their 1 million man army. Russians have lost 2 million Troops, suffering low morale, and have no chance to win. All their generals are already dead. I heard that right here on France 24 for the last 2 years ..... 😂🤣😅
You're a comedian. "Winning Big"? Where?
@@sphsmith3400 he is saying it in satire philosophy...
Are you joking?
No, really? how possible? Thanks to the black magic of the antisemitic jew George Soros?
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So it’s about France leaving africa states and allowing Africans decide for themselves ? Can you guys imagine ?
))) Exactly!!!
bad for "free global trade" business))
France is sour after kicked out of africa via russia.
And some African states have chosen Russia and Wagners to decide for their future. Can you guys imagine that?
Oh please, anyone can see that "the west" has been trying to help African countries for decades (because you know, fair is fair, we have good reasons to make up for our history..!) while Russia is just straight up stealing their resources 🤷♂
Disinformation in Africa 😂😂no one like french in Africa
No, and they will always tell you in perfect French how much they hate the French.
Of all the atrocities the French have inflicted upon Africa, none of it is more cruel than making them all speak French...
If they don't like the French then trust me, they ain't gonna like the Russians
you mean Wagner and their disinformation.
i dont
French can finally teach Ukrainians how to properly wave a white flag, no one does it better.
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So you stop the guy who was explaining how Boris Johnson stop the negotiation. This is another propaganda 😂
It was said by the leader of the Ukrainian (!) negotiation team that they had almost a complete agreement, when the west/Johnson intervened otherwise.
@@eddastrohmayer251- Makes sense. They don't war to stop! The people controlling the west want to sell as many weapons as possible and then comes in their non-bid reconstruction companies. People are DYING to keep profits high and it's terrible.
@eddastrohmayer251 have you actually read the conditions of that "peace plan"
Hahaha, French people must have approved Macron's comment and they want to go to Ukraine frontline. good job France
Acting tough but French 🇫🇷 withdrew their troops from Africa when PMC Wagner Group took over central Africa 😂
Africa is a continent with different countries and sovereign states. Africa is not France and it doesn't belong to France therefore these countries have every right to chose their friends and who ever they want to associate with period.
Emmanuel expressed his frustration of loosing African control to Russia! :)
Macron is smarting from Africa lost colony!!!
Too bad for the Africans.
Have fun with your dictators.
Bot Arguments... Boring
Let the French send troops first. I’d like to see if he can back up words with actions.
Macron said it because it's the consensus amongst all european countries. Therefore, if such action is taken, it's by all European nations.
@@alexbakker8785 i am not sure if that’s the case. Quite the contrary, there is a lot negative reactions from a few European countries to what Macron said.
@@alexbakker8785many European nations are saying they dont agree with him lol
They can.
Just don't do it in the dead of winter.
its funny how they interrupt the man in 39:20 because he was telling the truth
yep, yep, yep
That is what the do… George always tells the truth and they don’t like it, so they try to cut him off. He knows the true capabilities of Russia.
Typical tactic lol
Yes, this propagandist jurno always does that.
European politicians have lost it, nobody is talking about peace, pride has taken over their heads.
nah european knows russian too well, literally been dealing with them for well over 5 hundreds years. trusting the word from a russian is the biggest mistake u can take, peace only exist if u have army and the nuclear weapon to back it.
Turkey asked peace but zelensky and boris johnson ignored. Zelensky said they will beat russia if usa and europan countries send money and weapons. As a Turk i will never fight and die for a comedian who lies for money everday.
No, but America drags Europe into dirty wars. Why is Russia the enemy of Europe? No danger. The danger is America and terrorist NATO, which is spreading like a cancer.
@@suicidalbananananaim pretty sure he meant that they're being too proud...nothing about LGBTQ
It's Putin who's not talking about peace. Your argument is like saying that a bully's victim is responsible because he's not surrending fast enough. Putin has imperialistic aims. He won't stop in Ukraine.
Let the Politicians send their children and relatives to the frontline first before they ask the public to sacrifice theirs ! 😮
Exactly!!! =)
You think Putin won’t bring war to your country. Listen to him.
Or you can wait until the Ruzzians come to you. The rich with their children will be long gone by then?
It will never Happen this is the wealthy people games and we lower class are just Pawns
@@arcaneiconoclast319sounds like your gonna be the first low class sent over there to die because nAfo can't keep her greasy fat thumbs to herself.
Is that joke wrote by zelensky?😂🤣🤣
The guy is in all black is the only one with common sense. Everyone else is warmongering.
And he was continuesly cut off ?
He was cut at the end while talking about istanbul. Cus he makes sense.
Let the macrom family spearhead that expedition, with emmanuel himself in front.
These people are delusional 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ the average Ukrainian soldier is 46yrs old. Make it make sense
Come on Europe, you can do it, see if you got some balls.
Interesting! Send in the French Foreign Legion.
Yes, with Laurel and Hardy and their thumb tacks.
It says a lot over the Americans. Laurel and Hardy
Not anymore they got non😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂they are on their own hahaha lol
They have to get past the farmer protests first.
Macron needs to get off those Magic Mushrooms.
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Macon finally he grew some real balls to see reality in the face.
@@Luigi13. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
France is like a rabit against a lion
Well, rabbits have already been seen burning Moscow;)
A rabbit with nukes.
and you are cartainly a mouse...
The fact that several NATO members are talking about NATO troops in Ukraine is a direct consequence of Speaker Johnson being a catastrophic failure.
Facts
Doesn't mean weapons shipments stopped.. people need to realize we bought up and cleaned out the entire worlds stockpiles and everything is gone. Russia is producing more than us in a major way. Also... the border crisis is one of the top 2 voter issues in the US. Ukraine is barely in the top 20 according to Gallup. Johnson is just representing the will of the people. Turn off the news and make up your own mind.
"several NATO members" are not talking about sending troops. macron mentioned that France may.
Zelensky is asking for 500k troops to replace the 31,000 . What does that tell you ?@@elliinc266
Yes, terrible man .He wants to take care of the American border first. That's a novel idea.He doesn't realize Ukraine and Israel are the 51st and 52dnd States.
*The shortie has Napoleon syndrome 😂😂😂. We know Russia ended Napoleons military might* 😂😂😂
So Europe are saying Macron is not up to the Job. To be honest anyone trying to escalate the conflict should be removed as Leader of a country. He risks Million of Lives with his outburst.
Send in the troops, let's see what happens
We repeat the lead up to WWII exactly, precisely. We have learned nothing.
He losing so bad he trying to drag the whole world in his Ukraine is over just let Russia have it
You would think differently if you lived there. War sucks, but living under Russian rule sucks even more. Most east Europeans will likely agree.
Losing how so? Russian was supposed to take Kiev in 3 days. Lost half of their navy fleet to a nation without a navy. Russian suffered massive losses. It is not the ukrainian war, it is the Russian war. They started it. They can leave Ukraine anytime.
vatnix bot spotted *bonk
"Just let Russia have it"? Obvious RU vatnik nonsense aside, it's not up to Macron to give away Ukraine.
Just like how its not up to Putler to claim it 🤷♂
And Zelensky had multiple chances to sign peace deals with Russia and end the fighting. His handlers in the CIA said nyet.
Just assume a guy should say I was following Russia from 1990 before he start talking and meanwhile says nothing indicating he knows anything 💁🏻 Another guy telling Putin is very dangerous and ready to do whatever, then he thinks good idea to threaten such a person who has nuke too. Bunch of smart experts 😅
It was exactly the same about weapons for Ukraine...countries first said no, then here we are 2 years later and NATO's stockpile has run out.😂
Cause they supply russia with daily gifts 😂😂😂😂😂😂they capture it all
@@IrenESoriusgo back to the kitchen
May be if EU send man to front line now and 2 yeras later EU will run out of man
Bring the boots 😂😂 they will be unbooted 😂😂😂
Bots will be unboted
@@BirgerJarl-it5lz you hate the truth, but that it is, he will crush u any day.
France wants to raise the white flag once again.
Yours you mean
Isn't Macron the guy that called Nato brain dead lol
Macron must to learn the History of Napoleon
Indeed. that's why he needs to do it better.
Would love to see Macron, Boris Johnson and Zelensky in the trenches.
Wicky Nuland could hand out ammunition to the gunners just the way she was handing out cookies on Maidan in 2014.
And putler on other side with Lavrov, and pskov....
When you so obviously know nothing about geopolitics or even Russia's intentions it is probably best not to comment...
@@gambanteinodal1246 You're right: don't.
they say only 31.000 Ukrainians died in total during the war))))
I also don't like that number, they probably not counting those from other countries that thought they could win that fight, RIP.
And they don’t have enough men to fight?
Add a zero
@@Petzona Exactly!!! =)
The Americans talked about 90.000 dead Ukrainian soldiers.
Zelensky takes the rap, he allowed himself to be talked out of a peace negotiation into fighting a proxy war with a nuclear power.
Cmon... he proposes this bc he knows it will never pass... sad
Macron needs to send troops to Paris to protect the native french, not anywhere else!
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So true
@@falcatafalcata1617same chit MAGA heads say about the southern boarder in the US.
the one who will win in this struggle is the one who's willing to do ALL what it takes to win..that's not hard to comprehend 🙄
Strage I can do antibiotics. So lies on this one liars a pity to listen
Does anyone notice the two guests favor sending troops are speaking perfect English?
american english
tin foil hat time
That’s because it’s got history others are jealous of and look at most of history’s inventions including the internet are English like football rugby and standing up to bullies we will never be told by a bully what to do.🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Did you get a degree in English 😁
Kopetas is American.
Who is holding back france to send french army immediately because most of ukrainian want to avoid conscription but they need man power in frontline
He is pushing the conversation to drive a sense of urgency.
He is a 🤡....thats all.
😂😂😂you on your own Europe
@@dieterdodel835 Exactly!!! =))) Thank you!!
it's not had a good effect though because the Kremlin respond saying it will lead to inevitable war and NATO instantly responds and says they won't put boots on the ground. So you've ended up with a back down of Europe not an escalation.
The Soviets were sending their pilots to fight for North Korea, they were sending "advisors" to fight for North Vietnam, so Russia has already set a precedent of sending troops to fight against nuclear powers in war and therefore this shouldn't be seen as crossing any red line that they themselves have not crossed in the past.
George is realistic about facts
Best joke so far
Kissinger changed his mind at the end and clearly stated Putin must not be allowed to win an inch or the stability which we have had for 80 years will be lost.
These people are down to earth, and I respect FR news as it's possibly only one(english version) channel that is producing balanced commentary, discussion shows on this mega bad, sad and yet tremendous propaganda as John Pilger stated nore than year ago, so please don't interrupt George with some time limits, yet 5min before the end just because he isn't talking exactly as it's trendy now...I don't want to be part of RU and I live much closer than Mr. Macron, but I also don't want to try the great war with RU, it won't be great at all...I don't want to die just because UK,US needs to still play puppet masters, the mayority of the world doesn't care about EU for many historical reasons...yet the Mr. businessman will win in US and he will F* us big time, just because it's nothing for him, again far far away from the conflict, so what. Sincerely, even though it could be implicate to other countries unfortunatelly, there must be peace deal, maybe there will be next Khrushchev to fix it East UA back, but for now it's "too much" war, people need to live.
“The fighting is being done by the Ukrainians [more than 500 thousand Ukrainian soldiers lost their precious Lives in a Proxy war Against Russia on Behalf of US, EU, and Nato], they are the people who are being killed. The US and Europe are supplying them weapons.” - Zanny Minton Beddoes, the Economist’s Editor-in-chief
Misplaced compassion. Feel sorry for your fellow countrymen.
Biden is losing it but Macron has lost it.
I can tell by the comments section that the Russians are freaking out
Yes it is looking like a general panic attack
Its insane that they even entertained the idea of something so ridiculously insane
Like the Abrams
I think we need detente lady’s and gentlemen and don’t let the hard liners anywhere near power, people in the west have fully forgotten what full scale war means..
Craig Copetra is right though. They can’t be that blunt here in the US bc panic happens pretty quickly and people start hoarding ammo. This goes back to the Cold War. So people in America are blind to the threat of Russia. There is a passive speech used to keep people calm while trying to show that we need to support Ukraine. Polls show that most American people do support sending Ukraine aid and we’re extremely frustrated with our congress and our border. The 2 issues are in the same bill.
As much as we in the US may need to get our aid to Ukraine through our political system, Europe needs to be the largest donor of money and military equipment, Ukraine is in Europe not North America. Not a fan of Macron but I applaud him showing a back bone as compared to Germany.
Joker's these are Jokers and daydreamers who don't remember when the world went crazy I remember when the world went crazie
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Thanks Dad.
Correct.
Ultimately, The West will triumph, and this is the wake up call that was needed.
History advances in cycles, and we are in presently in a cycle of turbulence that will be navigated by the intelligence and dignity that characterise democracy and freedom.
2026 will be more calm, and until then, we must press on with renewed vigour and resolve.
😂send boris Johnson
Never thought I would see the day that Germany would be so scared of Putin ... it STUNS me 😮
NATO Should've deployed when they saw Russia surrounding Ukraine 2 years ago...
It doesn’t seem that wild, he basically said nothings off the table…. He didn’t say they were sending troops, he just said didn’t rule it out. Most leaders don’t put all their cards on the table, the US and Poland never should have said no troops 100%. In fact that’s been the US’s strength with Taiwan for decades, strategic ambiguity which means not explicitly setting the level of defense you’re willing to go to in order to defend Taiwan.
I have my issues with Macron but this seems like the news making a big deal out of nothing
facts!
Germany is facing another humiliation with this pathetic leadership, and the people are going to show discomfort in the next elections.
The American cherry picks certain excerpts out of Russian speeches that are 2 hours long and says it's a goal of imperialism but ignored any Western interference or NATO pushing or containment strategies of the US that have been ingrained in US governments post soviet union. The cold war never ended even after 1991 the US and it's allies have been complicit in containment policies to surround other nations with military bases and weapons systems "just in case". But what they don't realise is these policies are not defensive actions they're antagonistic. Just like if i lived next door to you and got security guards, dogs, barbwire fences and lights shining all over your house one could say it's security another could see it's antagonist, no one wants to live like that,
merci beaucoup Pres. Macron
Imagine thinking any NATO country could go to war with Russia and not end up as a giant parking lot 🤣🤣🤣
Russia is a paper tiger. Poland could defeat Russia.
they are not doing to good against Ukraine LOLOLO, Kiev in 3 days LOL
Important that you are not finishing up like this.
Finally Macron showed a spine.
This video reminds me of the song: "Yesterday when I troubles seemed so far away"
Because Your next
Macron has every right to mention what he mentioned. And whether NATO like this or not is beside the point. He is speaking as a EU member nation, with an independent army. And this waiting what NATO does, is rather not helping Ukraine much now is it? I am fine not involving NATO in this conflict. But in Europe we aren't moving according to what we want, we want Ukraine to win this conflict. And we want Putin to loose it. Putin drew in Iran, North Korea, and deliveries from China. So it is about time we realise, we do not really have the luxury of waiting anymore. So Macron put's up this balloon to signal, and I think he is fully correct doing so.
He never said, Germany has to do the same, or NATO members to do the same, he is talking specifically about what Ukraine needs, what is realism in this conflict, and is saying this at a totally correct moment in time, and in this conflict. It is either now or never, and NATO and nay saying nations, have to realise this. This should already have been discussed and setup, yesterday, so stop wasting time Europe. And for what NATO is, I would not hesitate too much. We should grow our independence from the USA anyway. So what are we waiting for exactly, for Ukraine to loose, or are we going to act appropriately to what we say we want. Ukraine should win this conflict. So start digging?! Ukrainians aren't going to win this conflict, by waiting much longer.
And by half supporting them, we need to get on part with promises, and with awareness and reality about this conflict. So Macron is totally right.
Upset over Burkina Faso
Honestly George Kuzmanovic is the only sane person on this table
Sane? He basically says whereever Russia ever invades, others can't intervene because of some imagined "101" rule with bullies that have nuclear weapons. It's a ridiculous idea as appeasing never works with dictators and obviously Putler will take full advantage if he thinks NATO countries will avoid contact with Russian troops like the plaque.
Thank you for noticing that. The rest are delusional, especially the Green Party female guest
You mean the defeatist among them
@@Anonymous-by5jp. He’s not a defeatist he is a realist and not a warmonger like the other guests in the studio.
I agree with Macron.
Nato needs to put boots on the ground in Ukraine to save us all.
The Ukrainian begged for Jets " tanks
He could send the French troops. They behaved fine in central Africa agains Wagner
Listening to this warmongers is hilarious and pathetic, that Craig guy is absolutely nuts
Watch The Debate religiously from Edinburgh Scotland. Would like to comment on the Guest who advocates Pacifism and Negotiations with Putin as the gangsters who operate in the wings are more brutal than Putin. He also claimed that Africans do not seek asylum in Russia because of their skin colour. Thought he was intelligent enough to know that Wagner is in Africa in Mali Chad Niger, all white in Black Africa. White Syrians and Middle Eastern Whites like Turks also do Not seek asylum in Russia. They all head West only. A very serious answer was expected but instead Craig Copetas was shut down by this inane excuse. It is ok to do dirty business mining deals with African leaders but asylum for Africans are most definitely unwelcome. Should have been highlighted Hope my comment is read by the pro Putin guest.
Somebody needs to get that damn power plant back under Western management, before something awful develops
in my book Macron has risen from the ashes to become a much needed, _true_ European leader. Viva Macron!
Lesson learn to ukraine: never fight a war you cannot win
They had to fight. Who in their right mind would want to be part of russia
@@soylentgreen8795 Donetsk and Luhansk apparently did. And so did Crimea.
Mr. Kuzmanovic seems to be suggesting that the west should just throw up their hands and let Putin have his way
The 10 pence Napoleon back at it again. Lol
,,then go macron,,go to the front and fight ya bigmouth let france se how great a hero you are.
Then Boris Johnson arrived in Kyiv and forced Zelinski not to sign the peace deal. The old American guy is out of touch with the reality
only one person made sense, George Kuzmanovic. Others want to fight till the end of last Ukrainian. Sad.
Never surrender. Send troops to Ukraine
Why is Macron the only leader among international leaders?
You mean why is he leading from behind? He and the Spanish….
Unbelievable! Lies, half-truths, and a terrifying absence of historical memory.
Ignorance is the mother of all evil.
People do not want war, how you do not get it.
This guy did not want the guy in the black suit to give the history about The Nato summit. he cut him off.
And Vanni
Was not Putin's opposition maybe The commonest party in Russi
And again when the gentleman in the black suit Spoke on this miraculously They were out of time again.. .....
If Europe has wether the shells nor the barrels to send to Ucraine, with what would the Europeans fight? With shovels?
The American guy on the Panel lost his mind in 1980s
After I first heard the American guy, I just thought..."hmm drugs are bad mkay kids, don't to drugs, it's easy mkay"
And he is correct.
All human beings just want peace ✌️🕊️
The French want another Borodino apparently
Apocalyptic Borodino for entire Europe! French people like to talk without thinking of consequences.
Truly one of my favorite programs. Each debate is always wide ranging and fast moving. Thanks from Ohio
Same. This and DW are my two go to for news these days, most American news orgs are terrible, with F24 and DW I feel like I’m actually getting informed.
@@QueenetBowie DW is often biased. And they also delete lots of comments.
Thanks to Ohio - I think it's called journalism 🙂And remember to not vote for the Golden Retriever.
@@QueenetBowie as EU citizen, DW is quite heavily filtering how the events happened, bending facts or speeches, EU countries have different points of view and interests, as in US states have "totaly" different mentality and issues, prios. At least you have 2 totally oposite comedy TV channels...how they are called...oh yeah Cnn/vs/Fox, it's like teleport from Sahara to North Pole ;)
@JensOverby the golden retriever?
It was an impossible task from the beginning. Saying it out loud was just a way to demonstrate bravery, refusing to bow down to evil forces. And I also expected not to gain the agreement of allies. That's why I dared to say it like that.
allies alway "all lies"
Not all but too much people and really eu has almost nothing. Merckel has done mistakes not only ehhh @@hasanalwi8741
Or Yugoslavia, Kuzmanović knows what he is talking about, lady with glasses maybe should check her eyes 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well now it’s clear how the Vichy government came around
Just maybe, Macron was being realistic ?
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Give Ukraine what they want, when they need and allow them to use it where ever they need, then Ukraine will do this job on their own.
Yes like the Abrams tanks
hi hohol !