I find it funny that they would have ship classes in the memorial shipyard like the Akira Class as we all know the said Class Starship didn't come into service till after Wolf 359.
It's been brought up, it's beacuse the Wolf memorial is being based on a fanwank depiction of the batle of Wolf 359 that made up retcons and other excuses for apocryphal ships like the Akira (that was designed post-wolf 359) or the Parliament (which was only brand new in 2381, over 20 years after Wolf 359).
The impression that I'm coming away from, in visiting this Starfleet shrine, is that the "Mothball Fleet", was hastily raided to meet the Borg incursion, and vainly sacrificed.
@GeneralWashingtonGaming It was basically a case of sending Mounted Cavalry, up against emplacements that are equipped with Browning .50 cal Machine guns. Or American plains Indians that set out to attack a U.S. fort, that's fully equipped with Gatling guns and 20mm cannon.
The whole concept Starfleet screwing around with a fleet of broken ships being turned into a memorial is pure fantasy. Any ship that was remotely whole would be repaired and recommissioned but most likely every hulk would’ve been scrapped and the raw materials used in new construction. At most the Starfleet would used one ship as a memorial like the USA did at Pearl Harbor with the Arizona. Forget the fact that the Akira class wouldn’t have been built by that time. I like ship porn as much as the next trek fan but I do expect it to make some kind of sense.
I helped recover the bodies and these ships. This was a bad day in history but still not as bad as the Dominion War. I have a opiate addiction and a Romulan Ale drinking problem after all that. I will never recover. RIP to my brothers and sisters at Starfleet.
I was a newly minted Ensign onboard the USS Kyushu when we were routed to the rendezvous at Wolf. Before the battle, our captain announced over the coms we were about to engage the Borg. A truely frieghtening announcment for a 24 year old who had just started a carrer in Star Fleet. The time was about 6am ship time when the cube entered sensor range, there was a since of dread we would not last the day. Obviously zero sleep was had by myself or my fellow flight. I was assinged to the shuttle bay and in keeping with my primary responsibility of operating the flight deck and the shuttle bay doors, I had to make sure our routs to the escape pods were cleared and rehersed. When the battle began, it was complete chasos in the lower decks, we all performed to the best of our training and abilities ensuring the shuttles were secured and safe. When we were boarded, the borg did not use any access hatches, they just appeared in front of us on all decks, roming around and assimilating all who tried to confront them. It was a slaughter, my friends, leutenant, even the girl I had taken to a holodeck date a week prior were lost. I used my issued type 3 phasor rifle only a few times before they adapted. And had to use the nearby jefferies tube to cross from the shuttle control room to the hallway access hatch. The lights were going on and off creating a darkened sight with steam explosions from whatever plasma conduit was in that subsection. The ship shook violenly as i moved slowly to the escape pod. Once there, several borg had positioned thselves at workstations nearby. I slid past them not even angry as they were mindlessly doing the destruction and creating death. I knew i was one of the last on the deck as most of the stationed crew were laying about becomming assimilated. I fired my Phasor at them fo releave their pain and allow my safe passage to the pod. The pod was easy enough to access as the doors were automatically opened and the controls set for a rendevous at a specific coordinates away from the battle. My pod shot away from the ship and I could see the destruction of the saucer section, glowing gold and red from the burning plasma fires. My pod was slightly damaged when some debris impacted the port thrusters. Limping along as the cube took up the entire window and space behind it. After several hours in the pod, which i believed was my toomb, a Correllian barge located me and pulled me onto the ship providing aid and comfort to any survivors. I was transfered to Starfleet on a makeshift trading station frequented by the alien dredges of the sector. Once in friendly hands, I was provided care for my superficial woulnds, but the mental scaring has been difficult to overcome. To all my deceased servicemen, it was an honor serving with you.
@@mr.red.pandac1407 There is a support group, but since the romulan Borg relic was found, many horrible memories have resurfaced, meet us on Rigel, Holland Colony. A restraunt called Quarks (some sort of franchise) allows us to meet after dinner meals, and a few bars of gold pressed platinum.
Interesting. I suppose there would be a monument to Wolf 359 considering the great loss of life. I wonder though if they would display so many damaged ships? The creator of this has taken a Pearl Harbor-like approach to the monument, but I wonder if Starfleet would have done something more celebratory of the future these losses allowed vs. focusing so much on death/destruction.
Considering how many survivors we encounter onscreen, I doubt a 'happy-go-lucky', the future is bright approach would have sat wrong with them. I would also expect there to be something reminiscent of the Vietnam War Memorial in that central station, naming all the losses.
And even in your reference to Pearl Harbor, only two ships that were sunk there were not returned to service in some way. The Utah and the Arizona. I think that Doc is partially correct in that there would be a memorial at the main station, but I think there would also be a token ship as well. Since the "economics of the future" were never fully described in any of the many series to any great extent, I can't pick a class that would stand for all the losses.
@@NorthForkFisherman The Nebula class USS Bellerophon was the most powerful ship lost at Wolf 459, so that would be a impressive symbol of Starfleet's loss. However, if you want a ship that represents "loss" in Starfleet, there was a an Oberth class there.
I wish that when they showed the wrecks they could have shown the name and registry numbers a lot more clear…. most of these ship I couldn’t tell their names or what class they belonged to
The greatest loss of lives and ships in the fleet. The Federation underestimated the BORG. Remember those we have lost and to NEVER FORGET. These are the ships that were salvaged and are here to immortalize those that didn't make it back. NEVER AGAIN. Now its time for the Federation to strike back.
Well, you go to war with the fleet that you have, not the fleet you wanted or wished you had. This is what happens when complacency sets in and a fleet of relics are sent to war.
And years later, Starfleet still had not learned its lesson. This is why you build the Fleet you want/need in advance, not when the threat becomes urgent.
Uh, have issue with one ship design on display was designed specifically because of 359 so it couldn't have been there. Also it's interesting how all ships have all their parts and no displays of tangled messes that could barely be determined to be ships let alone what class they were. Convenient. Don't tell me they didn't save those wrecks since those ships died too.
Fantastic work. I figure that Starfleet would eventually build something like this, generally matching back all the components into their old shapes. My only critique is the presence of the Akira-Class. I believe because it was mistakenly featured in STO at the battle simulation, there's confusion of one being there and Beta-Canon is running around in a head-spin about it. The Akira-Class was part of a new generation of post-Borg designs, like the Defiant. Happy to see a Probert in there!
Interesting is that all the starships are Federations. What happen to their others classes and races? Also, the ships seem to have the skeletons beams mostly intacted. In a really bad fighting motion of the ships would be totally gone or be unrecognizable since they would be carrying weapons of very heavy imaginable😅 exploding field.
Doubt they would waste time and effort to display a bunch of broken hulls. Be more efficient to scrap the materials for new builds. And a Akira class as a few other classes was not part of the wolf 359 task force
Tbh, it was only one of Two in service at the time, The Akira-Class was proposed and started construction during the Cardassian War as a convoy escort and patrol ship, Prior to the end of the war only Akira and that other ship, the Kaneda, were launched, at War’s end? The Akira project was shelved and the 3rd vessel that was under construction, the Tetsuo, was broken up in dock … that was until Kaneda partook in Wolf 359, after reviewing the Kaneda’s performance? Even though she did go down in the end? She outlasted most of her fleet members, and so They started construction on a new wave of Akira-Class vessels which were ready by 2370.
@GeneralWashingtonGaming: I love the video and the time you have taken to do this. I would perhaps make one suggestion that could be improve it is if as the video passes and orbits around the each ship, the name of the ship and the class type, the name of the captain/commanding officer is dispelayed as it is quite hard to make out the names oftheships from the sad remain. It would be like acknowledging each and as a remembrance plaque. Just a thought but again really well on doing this. 👏👏♥♥
@@GeneralWashingtonGaming it all good it just it cleary an Akita and thst ship was designed as a result of this very battle; kinda got a chicken and the egg thing going on
ship and class list, please...you blew past them so fast I couldn't read what was left. also, who thought it would be a good idea to literally pull a MUSEUM ship into this fight? it was one of the ones I actually COULD read.
Yeah, Starfleet's sheer fucking hubris in bringing families along aboard starships... Bet that got re-thunk real quick after this. I wonder how many Starfleet officers got to watch their kids disintegrate or get sucked up by a Borg tractor beam only to be incinerated when Data put their whole ship to sleep? Families on starships was a dumb idea.
I would have to disagree, Starfleet’s core principles was that it was not a militaristic organization before Spock but due to the Klingon and Romulan threat Starfleet had to become more militaristic but was trying to return to its roots.
To all the 11,000 men and women who lost their lives at Wolf 359. Rest in Peace.
rest in pieces!
Rest in fictional peace.
Hate to be that guy, but more than a few aliens died as well and we don't know what the hell they are classed as 🙂
" Peace to the fallen" Commander Nick Reyes in Call of Duty Infinite Warfare.
I find it funny that they would have ship classes in the memorial shipyard like the Akira Class as we all know the said Class Starship didn't come into service till after Wolf 359.
You make a good point.
It's been brought up, it's beacuse the Wolf memorial is being based on a fanwank depiction of the batle of Wolf 359 that made up retcons and other excuses for apocryphal ships like the Akira (that was designed post-wolf 359) or the Parliament (which was only brand new in 2381, over 20 years after Wolf 359).
The Akira class was built in response to the massacre at Wolf 359.
It should not be depicted here.
@@jpg_sig10 tell Star Trek Online
@@GeneralWashingtonGaming Star Trek Online is not canon.
Never forget
Stardate: 44002.3
The impression that I'm coming away from, in visiting this Starfleet shrine, is that the "Mothball Fleet", was hastily raided to meet the Borg incursion, and vainly sacrificed.
It was a rush to get any and all available ships involved, the age didn’t matter.
@GeneralWashingtonGaming It was basically a case of sending Mounted Cavalry, up against emplacements that are equipped with Browning .50 cal Machine guns.
Or American plains Indians that set out to attack a U.S. fort, that's fully equipped with Gatling guns and 20mm cannon.
The whole concept Starfleet screwing around with a fleet of broken ships being turned into a memorial is pure fantasy. Any ship that was remotely whole would be repaired and recommissioned but most likely every hulk would’ve been scrapped and the raw materials used in new construction. At most the Starfleet would used one ship as a memorial like the USA did at Pearl Harbor with the Arizona. Forget the fact that the Akira class wouldn’t have been built by that time. I like ship porn as much as the next trek fan but I do expect it to make some kind of sense.
Ship porn!
I helped recover the bodies and these ships. This was a bad day in history but still not as bad as the Dominion War. I have a opiate addiction and a Romulan Ale drinking problem after all that. I will never recover. RIP to my brothers and sisters at Starfleet.
Anyone would be changed after that.
@@GeneralWashingtonGaming Are there a memorial for the Battle of Sector 001 and the Dominion War.
@@ericmadsen7470 no sir just this one so far which was recently revamped.
Grow up
@@tarn1135 why so serious?
Some of these I only have seen pictures of. The view around the ships helps with those among us with impairment in visual imagination
I'm glad it helped.
I was a newly minted Ensign onboard the USS Kyushu when we were routed to the rendezvous at Wolf. Before the battle, our captain announced over the coms we were about to engage the Borg. A truely frieghtening announcment for a 24 year old who had just started a carrer in Star Fleet. The time was about 6am ship time when the cube entered sensor range, there was a since of dread we would not last the day. Obviously zero sleep was had by myself or my fellow flight. I was assinged to the shuttle bay and in keeping with my primary responsibility of operating the flight deck and the shuttle bay doors, I had to make sure our routs to the escape pods were cleared and rehersed. When the battle began, it was complete chasos in the lower decks, we all performed to the best of our training and abilities ensuring the shuttles were secured and safe. When we were boarded, the borg did not use any access hatches, they just appeared in front of us on all decks, roming around and assimilating all who tried to confront them. It was a slaughter, my friends, leutenant, even the girl I had taken to a holodeck date a week prior were lost. I used my issued type 3 phasor rifle only a few times before they adapted. And had to use the nearby jefferies tube to cross from the shuttle control room to the hallway access hatch. The lights were going on and off creating a darkened sight with steam explosions from whatever plasma conduit was in that subsection. The ship shook violenly as i moved slowly to the escape pod. Once there, several borg had positioned thselves at workstations nearby. I slid past them not even angry as they were mindlessly doing the destruction and creating death. I knew i was one of the last on the deck as most of the stationed crew were laying about becomming assimilated. I fired my Phasor at them fo releave their pain and allow my safe passage to the pod. The pod was easy enough to access as the doors were automatically opened and the controls set for a rendevous at a specific coordinates away from the battle. My pod shot away from the ship and I could see the destruction of the saucer section, glowing gold and red from the burning plasma fires. My pod was slightly damaged when some debris impacted the port thrusters. Limping along as the cube took up the entire window and space behind it. After several hours in the pod, which i believed was my toomb, a Correllian barge located me and pulled me onto the ship providing aid and comfort to any survivors. I was transfered to Starfleet on a makeshift trading station frequented by the alien dredges of the sector. Once in friendly hands, I was provided care for my superficial woulnds, but the mental scaring has been difficult to overcome. To all my deceased servicemen, it was an honor serving with you.
its nice to know that there are still veterans of wolf 359 I was on the Melbourne on that day
@@mr.red.pandac1407 There is a support group, but since the romulan Borg relic was found, many horrible memories have resurfaced, meet us on Rigel, Holland Colony. A restraunt called Quarks (some sort of franchise) allows us to meet after dinner meals, and a few bars of gold pressed platinum.
Faaake. Anyone who passed the academy would know how to spell. Woulnds? Phasor? Is your universal translator broken?
Stolen valor.
Miranda, New Orleans Ambassador Class Ships - Even the Constellation class! Maybe the old Stargazer!
"Peace to the fallen" Commander Nick Reyes in Call of Duty Infinite Warfare.
Interesting. I suppose there would be a monument to Wolf 359 considering the great loss of life. I wonder though if they would display so many damaged ships? The creator of this has taken a Pearl Harbor-like approach to the monument, but I wonder if Starfleet would have done something more celebratory of the future these losses allowed vs. focusing so much on death/destruction.
Considering how many survivors we encounter onscreen, I doubt a 'happy-go-lucky', the future is bright approach would have sat wrong with them. I would also expect there to be something reminiscent of the Vietnam War Memorial in that central station, naming all the losses.
@@DocTomoe812 Starfleet has never been about mourning. Always looking forward - to the stars.
And even in your reference to Pearl Harbor, only two ships that were sunk there were not returned to service in some way. The Utah and the Arizona. I think that Doc is partially correct in that there would be a memorial at the main station, but I think there would also be a token ship as well. Since the "economics of the future" were never fully described in any of the many series to any great extent, I can't pick a class that would stand for all the losses.
@@NorthForkFisherman The Nebula class USS Bellerophon was the most powerful ship lost at Wolf 459, so that would be a impressive symbol of Starfleet's loss. However, if you want a ship that represents "loss" in Starfleet, there was a an Oberth class there.
@@Youngstown529 Honestly, I'd be thinking more of the ubiquitous Miranda class and all its variants. Any one of those would be a good choice I think.
I wish that when they showed the wrecks they could have shown the name and registry numbers a lot more clear…. most of these ship I couldn’t tell their names or what class they belonged to
Memorial day is right around the corner, they will be remembered.
Always remember
The greatest loss of lives and ships in the fleet. The Federation underestimated the BORG. Remember those we have lost and to NEVER FORGET. These are the ships that were salvaged and are here to immortalize those that didn't make it back. NEVER AGAIN. Now its time for the Federation to strike back.
I’m interested to see what the Borg will do following the events of Picard Season 3.
What’s funny is that by Star Trek online mindset there must be a dominion was memorial with hundreds if not thousands of ships.
To think about what Captain Picard must feel, and yet he still goes on.
Sort of like survivor's guilt
Well, you go to war with the fleet that you have, not the fleet you wanted or wished you had. This is what happens when complacency sets in and a fleet of relics are sent to war.
And years later, Starfleet still had not learned its lesson. This is why you build the Fleet you want/need in advance, not when the threat becomes urgent.
Surprised to see that many ships intact after Wolf 359
It was a large battle imagine how many more were lost.
And then a guy in a beat up, 25 year old pickup truck, drives by and hauls them all to the scrapyard.
Impressive, most impressive.
Wrong franchise haha
Uh, have issue with one ship design on display was designed specifically because of 359 so it couldn't have been there. Also it's interesting how all ships have all their parts and no displays of tangled messes that could barely be determined to be ships let alone what class they were. Convenient. Don't tell me they didn't save those wrecks since those ships died too.
Yeah Battle of wolf 359 is like the 911 For them an single borg cube took down 39 starships.
Or Pearl Harbor
@@GeneralWashingtonGaming that also too.
Fantastic work. I figure that Starfleet would eventually build something like this, generally matching back all the components into their old shapes. My only critique is the presence of the Akira-Class. I believe because it was mistakenly featured in STO at the battle simulation, there's confusion of one being there and Beta-Canon is running around in a head-spin about it. The Akira-Class was part of a new generation of post-Borg designs, like the Defiant.
Happy to see a Probert in there!
Interesting is that all the starships are Federations. What happen to their others classes and races? Also, the ships seem to have the skeletons beams mostly intacted. In a really bad fighting motion of the ships would be totally gone or be unrecognizable since they would be carrying weapons of very heavy imaginable😅 exploding field.
I don’t know why, that’s a question for Star Trek Online.
Wolf 359 was an inside job. Borg fuel melts tritanium beams.
Doubt they would waste time and effort to display a bunch of broken hulls. Be more efficient to scrap the materials for new builds. And a Akira class as a few other classes was not part of the wolf 359 task force
Tbh, it was only one of Two in service at the time, The Akira-Class was proposed and started construction during the Cardassian War as a convoy escort and patrol ship, Prior to the end of the war only Akira and that other ship, the Kaneda, were launched, at War’s end? The Akira project was shelved and the 3rd vessel that was under construction, the Tetsuo, was broken up in dock … that was until Kaneda partook in Wolf 359, after reviewing the Kaneda’s performance? Even though she did go down in the end? She outlasted most of her fleet members, and so They started construction on a new wave of Akira-Class vessels which were ready by 2370.
There are people on that ship at 14:45!! 😱😱😱
This was a great video, but there were no Akira or Parliament class starships even in service let alone in this battle during this time…
Thanks, I know. I only record what’s there in the game. I don’t work for Star Trek Online.
Pearl harbor of star fleet
Yeah, that’s what it reminds me of too.
That's some damned fine work! Well done!!
I simply recorded what’s in the game, but thanks.
@GeneralWashingtonGaming: I love the video and the time you have taken to do this.
I would perhaps make one suggestion that could be improve it is if as the video passes and orbits around the each ship, the name of the ship and the class type, the name of the captain/commanding officer is dispelayed as it is quite hard to make out the names oftheships from the sad remain. It would be like acknowledging each and as a remembrance plaque. Just a thought but again really well on doing this. 👏👏♥♥
Thank you and I didn’t think about putting the information on each ship until after I uploaded the video. Thanks for your feedback, I appreciate it.
@generalwashingtongaming Sorry for pointing out something you already for pointing out, I really do like your work. Thank you for publishing it.
@@djpitts8810 no need to apologize, you were trying to help and I appreciate that.
Pretty cool. I like the upgraded memorial. Is it possible to dock at and beam into the facility?
Unfortunately we’re unable to beam aboard the facility.
@@GeneralWashingtonGaming Maybe they'll add that at a future time 🤔
@@jonmyers8046 I hope so but honestly I don’t think they will. They’re more focused on episode and TFO content.
Yes there is a lot of damage to these shops. But they did not explode. There should have been survivors. Why not. What about emergency buck heads.
Wonderful work, more light to appreciate the models could be great
Thanks. Tell STO about having more light. Haha
@@GeneralWashingtonGaming ah ok, hahahaha, sorry is not my fav game
@@IATotal it’s alright, I just didn’t want you to think I designed it. I only setup the cameras and recorded it.
I love this but I see an Akira in there. Does it include ships from the battle of sector 001
You would have to ask Star Trek Online.
@@GeneralWashingtonGaming it all good it just it cleary an Akita and thst ship was designed as a result of this very battle; kinda got a chicken and the egg thing going on
ship and class list, please...you blew past them so fast I couldn't read what was left. also, who thought it would be a good idea to literally pull a MUSEUM ship into this fight? it was one of the ones I actually COULD read.
Yeah, Starfleet's sheer fucking hubris in bringing families along aboard starships... Bet that got re-thunk real quick after this. I wonder how many Starfleet officers got to watch their kids disintegrate or get sucked up by a Borg tractor beam only to be incinerated when Data put their whole ship to sleep? Families on starships was a dumb idea.
Thank Gene Roddenberry.
@@tinman3586 Oh, that frakkin' guy...
looks like it could be good but it is so dark I can't see the work you have done.
That’s the environment in the game, I didn’t create it I only record what’s in the game.
just remember its spocks fault this happened the first kitomoer accords which shut down starfleet military arm
I would have to disagree, Starfleet’s core principles was that it was not a militaristic organization before Spock but due to the Klingon and Romulan threat Starfleet had to become more militaristic but was trying to return to its roots.
When was this added? Its been a while since i logged in
It was added in February during the anniversary event.
@@GeneralWashingtonGaming that's really cool I'll log on and check it out. Nice video man. You got a new sub.
@@scottjgray83 thank you, unfortunately it’s only the exterior.