Should We Separate Art From The Artist?

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  • @fernandocastan7656
    @fernandocastan7656 11 місяців тому +66

    You can't separate the art from the artist because the art created is the artist's expression. But you can enjoy the music while also being honest about the bad behavior of the artist. It's also not bad to want problematic artists to lose power in the music industry so there's real consequences.

    • @yokaigypsy
      @yokaigypsy 11 місяців тому +1

      Why do you want musicians to lose power?

    • @fernandocastan7656
      @fernandocastan7656 11 місяців тому +11

      @@yokaigypsy not every person deserves a platform when they have bad behavior and do nothing to fix it, it's that simple those people don't deserve to succeed

    • @yokaigypsy
      @yokaigypsy 11 місяців тому +1

      @@fernandocastan7656 That's player hater talk.

    • @Kiing_jer
      @Kiing_jer 11 місяців тому +1

      Unless they used ghostwriters

    • @BubbyBold
      @BubbyBold 10 місяців тому

      ​@@yokaigypsyyou talk like a meat rider

  • @TheUnluckyConqueror3699
    @TheUnluckyConqueror3699 11 місяців тому +19

    You're free to discontinue support for an artist for any reason as they aren't entitled to your money and attention no matter how good they are. The question ought to be "Can I separate the actions and controversies of insert artist from their art that I enjoy?" I can do that with some artists and not others

  • @KiNGRaZoR316
    @KiNGRaZoR316 11 місяців тому +7

    I can honestly say certain artists' music is difficult to sift thru without thinking of the vile things they've done in life. However, if you're the kind of person who just listens to the music and tune out the person behind the art, you can enjoy it to an extent.

  • @keejay12
    @keejay12 11 місяців тому +14

    Kanye may be off mentally but it doesn't take away from his creative and artistic gifts and talents.

  • @IamDMV
    @IamDMV 11 місяців тому +4

    If the Artist can Hold themselves Accountable for their Short comings and Are actively trying to be and do better , I think we should let them ..... We all Mess up , we all gotta grow and Learn from our mistakes and I think we should give them and their art both a Chance

  • @TheEdwardAlchemist
    @TheEdwardAlchemist 11 місяців тому +21

    Michael didn't do that shit bro 😐 shoulda just used Rkelly picture

  • @gabrieldukicchuks2058
    @gabrieldukicchuks2058 11 місяців тому +4

    For me, it really depends on what kind of person you are & how bad the situation around the artist has been. You can choose to view that artist or artist's music however you want.

  • @tommafer3250
    @tommafer3250 11 місяців тому +4

    I agree with everything you said in this video. I can separate the art from the artist until there is a direct line you could draw from the theme of the art to the misdeeds of the artist (ie sexual music to R Kelly’s sex crimes). The only thing I would add is that, at least for me, there have been times where the art was actually made BETTER by the misdeeds. For example, in the song Runaway, Kanye discusses his flaws and the way he deals with them. He can admit to them but can never really get himself to apologize and change and instead he just plows through and if anybody is harmed by his actions, so be it. The fact that he seemingly dealt with the anti-semitism the same way as all of the flaws discussed in the song shows (he just kept saying more anti-Semitic things, never really apologized, then just left the public eye for awhile so everyone else could deal with the consequences) shows how the song was such an accurate reflection of who he is as a person. In addition, the song “Love the Way You Lie” was made better for me by the fact that both Eminem and Rihanna have been in abusive relationships in real life (obviously Rihanna was not the abuser, but Eminem was) because I know that neither of them were faking their emotions

  • @noyb4441
    @noyb4441 11 місяців тому +2

    I been said this & that it should be separated. Bc if that's the case A LOT of everyday places such as Walmart, Disneyland, McDonald's etc. etc. May be founded by some of the most biggity ppl or horrible ppl. But yet, you still shop there, eat there, take your kids there. So it's contradicting. It's no difference for artists.

  • @osberswgaming
    @osberswgaming 11 місяців тому +2

    Need to write a speech on this. Thanks so much lol

  • @misterx44
    @misterx44 11 місяців тому +1

    This is just subjective point. In the same way ppl feels music, for someone it’s just entertainment, for other ppl it’s a therapy and storytelling from an artist that’s resonating with you

  • @TheTheorder
    @TheTheorder 11 місяців тому +8

    A large chunk of people who say we should separate the two, fail to do so. And instead will defend their favorite artist because they make great music, not realizing that they are the ones failing to separate art from the artist.
    Is Kanye's music catalog GOATed? Absolutely.
    Is he a mentally broken racist piece of shit? Unquestionably.
    Is the music he releases going to be listened to? Of course, he's a musical icon.
    Am I going to support him in discussions, buy his merch, go to his concerts? Of course not, in what world would I support anyone else in my life who's an anti-semitic moron.

    • @viperrecords3288
      @viperrecords3288 11 місяців тому +2

      I was the biggest Kanye supporter AND critic but his Jew comments aren’t the worst thing he’s said.

    • @AllBetzOff
      @AllBetzOff 11 місяців тому

      No he dropped graduation

    • @matthewsengendo6302
      @matthewsengendo6302 11 місяців тому

      @@viperrecords3288 Kanye has done & said waaayyy crazy things in the last fifteen years coygh vmas 2009

  • @annayosie
    @annayosie 10 місяців тому

    This is only said when an artists does something people don’t care about,but when it’s something they do care about “separate art from the artist” is thrown out the window

  • @zacmirza6498
    @zacmirza6498 11 місяців тому +2

    Might be a controversial take but I think you can easily separate the art from the artist when it comes to people like R. Kelly. If you ignore his over the top sexual songs and focus on the gospel, club and spiritual songs he made. It's enjoyable to listen to him imo.
    And for the point you made about Kanye's song 'hey mama', you can use that exact same point for R. Kelly's song 'Sadie' which was written about his late mother also.
    At the end of the day, just listen to whoever you want to. Just because you enjoy the songs of a bad person, doesn't make you a bad person also.

    • @Wizardjones69
      @Wizardjones69 9 місяців тому

      so dormitabis 2018 can be seperated?

  • @tnb6359
    @tnb6359 11 місяців тому +3

    YES! To anyone who is still not separating them: y'all slow af 💀💀 Kanye is one delusional mfker, but his music is dope

  • @shirubionicle
    @shirubionicle 11 місяців тому +2

    Simple answer: Depends on how good the art actually is.

  • @sloppyshoez7165
    @sloppyshoez7165 11 місяців тому +10

    Confused why yall put Michael in the video? He’s innocent bro

  • @orlandowright2323
    @orlandowright2323 11 місяців тому +1

    Crazy how a artist can rap about slidding on his opps, smashing women that ain't his wife and doing copious amounts of drugs but we wanna take the moral high ground with Kanye. Last time I checked Kanye didn't commit any crimes or alleged to have commit any crimes like the artists named with him.
    I would "cancel" a whole lot more artist before "cancelling" Kanye and I ain't even a fan like that tbh. Nobody's a saint.

  • @Force_RC21
    @Force_RC21 11 місяців тому

    I would say you cant seperate art from artist because the art is the artist expressing themself. What you can do however is criticize the artist for the actions while still enjoying the art.

  • @PickleJam-pw8px
    @PickleJam-pw8px 11 місяців тому +8

    I'm not sure why you keep showing clips of Michael Jackson. He was vindicated... end of story.

    • @SweaterSwagg
      @SweaterSwagg 11 місяців тому +2

      Because he's white and white folks generally still believe him to be guilty.

  • @bandhere728
    @bandhere728 11 місяців тому

    I don’t mind the artist having their own opinions and thoughts on certain subject matters. But when it does come to these artist assaulting people, children and overall being a bad person who ruining other people lives I can’t support or listen to their art.
    Kanye whether you like his opinions or not he does have right to say them and we may agree and disagree with his thoughts at times but it’s nothing criminal.
    Chris brown served his time and made his amends and plus Rihanna forgave him for his actions and all those factors played a part in supporters and fans being able to rock with Chris brown till this day and he can continue his career.
    As for Mr.Kelly I think we can all say we were huge fan of him and his R&B catalog but after the nastiness that he’s done for years with kids; that’s when you start to realize he used his art to cover up his nastiness behind the scenes for all these years and he knew “hey if I can keep making great music, anytime I’m accused of something I can drop a new song and that will make people forget about my nasty allegations”. So that right there for me made me not want to listen to Rkelly anymore and I’m not judging people who still do but I would honestly feel betrayed by artist that went and touched kids just like we feel disgusted and betrayed by any other adult that harms a child in the pedo way. Rkelly shouldn’t get a pass just because he made great music.

  • @realTI3R
    @realTI3R 11 місяців тому

    Same Girl by R Kelly is on repeat I fear

  • @viperrecords3288
    @viperrecords3288 11 місяців тому

    When a woman says that it just means that you’re not masculine enough for her.

  • @Mr.L24123
    @Mr.L24123 11 місяців тому +2

    For those who say Chris Brown is trash..Only listen to that mainstream...What I got in my vault is some stuff that some people haven't even heard yet .

    • @zacmirza6498
      @zacmirza6498 11 місяців тому

      His music isn't all that

    • @jandellsantiago8472
      @jandellsantiago8472 11 місяців тому

      @@zacmirza6498but overhated
      Chris is the yb of R&B since 2017 (not in a good way)
      His snippets, leaks, and unreleased shit clears almost half of the shit he’s dropped
      Idc nobody says indigo would’ve been a good album had it been cut to 16-18 songs
      Heartbreak on a full moon is so mediocre and bland
      Breezy and slime & b sucked
      But 11:11? Good album
      Either people overrate him or underrated no in between which is where hes always been as an artist
      Mediocre. Capable of making top tier but is pulling a drake

    • @MrSquishy0
      @MrSquishy0 4 місяці тому

      Should've been in jail though

  • @JimmyDeneus-q2r
    @JimmyDeneus-q2r 11 місяців тому +1

    💯💯

  • @joebrat6809
    @joebrat6809 11 місяців тому

    I do think it is somewhat double standards of fans, labels, businesses etc to cancel an artist for having posted something inappropriate or being politically aligned with someone unconventional but NOT doing the same thing for artists who are literally murdering people. In uk rap for instance, Wiley got taken off all streaming platforms for making antisemitic comments while they seem completely unfazed by the fact that Sus and possibly also Unknown T have actually taken somebody’s life. I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just saying it is strange. Wiley only really harmed himself, the others have literally destroyed lives.

  • @Star_2024-u8s
    @Star_2024-u8s 11 місяців тому

    Yes

  • @a.taylor8294
    @a.taylor8294 11 місяців тому

    YES, it's perfectly fine for me to recognize the great jams and slick grooves created by R. Kelly - and still know damn well he a creep. JUST like those of us that was jamming to him in the 90s ALREADY knew.

    • @samariumproductions5287
      @samariumproductions5287 3 місяці тому

      who is r kelly

    • @a.taylor8294
      @a.taylor8294 3 місяці тому

      @@samariumproductions5287, are you joking about not knowing R. Kelly? Or trolling :p

    • @samariumproductions5287
      @samariumproductions5287 3 місяці тому +1

      @@a.taylor8294 I legit don't know who she or he is

    • @a.taylor8294
      @a.taylor8294 3 місяці тому

      @@samariumproductions5287, R. Kelly was an RnB singer and producer. The height of his popularity was in the 90s. His biggest hit was probably "I Believe I can Fly"

  • @yokaigypsy
    @yokaigypsy 11 місяців тому

    Should we separate art rom the artist? Ask GG Allin.

  • @dmercy8477
    @dmercy8477 11 місяців тому +3

    It’s easy for some artists like MJ, Eminem and Kanye West. But it’s hard for most artists like Jay-Z, Chris Brown, Drake, R Kelly and JLO because not only are their really bad people in real life but their music is lackluster most of the time.

    • @SweaterSwagg
      @SweaterSwagg 11 місяців тому

      Eminem be out the way af, he's actually mad unproblematic irl lol

    • @jandellsantiago8472
      @jandellsantiago8472 11 місяців тому

      Jay z makin bad music? LMAOO💀

  • @a.taylor8294
    @a.taylor8294 11 місяців тому +4

    Take the King of Pop OUT of this video

  • @elliothammer9485
    @elliothammer9485 11 місяців тому +7

    This is such a dumbass question. No one's forcing anything on anyone. If you want to listen to Kanye, that's fine. If you don't, that's understandable because your vision of him might be tainted. I'm a jew, and I can no longer listen to Kanye. That's just me, I'm not forcing that on you, and you shouldn't be telling me to listen to it

  • @a.taylor8294
    @a.taylor8294 11 місяців тому +4

    Yo, dude. WHY THE HELL are you effing with MJ? He ain't do that nonsense - HE WAS FOUND NOT GUILTY! You need to redo this jawn

  • @mikevilla8230
    @mikevilla8230 11 місяців тому +7

    Yes we should, but that doesn’t apply to Chris Brown because he’s trash musically too.

    • @jandellsantiago8472
      @jandellsantiago8472 11 місяців тому +1

      Trash is lil xan tier artists
      Chris ain’t good like that but hes not trash😭
      Mediocre is more suited

  • @obiehn276
    @obiehn276 11 місяців тому +4

    Michael Jackson Innocent

  • @Ambatakum1500
    @Ambatakum1500 11 місяців тому

    Free R.kelly

  • @35daysstraight
    @35daysstraight 11 місяців тому +2

    If you can't separate the art for the artist, you parasocial af

    • @DynastyLuminous46
      @DynastyLuminous46 11 місяців тому

      If you keep supporting artists when they do disgusting shit you're parasocial af

    • @Wizardjones69
      @Wizardjones69 9 місяців тому

      @@DynastyLuminous46 just pirate the art i think lol

  • @yuritarted9890
    @yuritarted9890 11 місяців тому

    This question should be common sense. Idc if they said racist shit, Assault someone, etc. I will still listen to all their music. R. Kelly is the king of RnB, MJ is still the king of pop, and Kanye is still one of the most influential hiphop figures of all time. Their problems are not my problems 🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @EazyRocko
      @EazyRocko 11 місяців тому +3

      MJ never did shit I don't know why people can't leave him alone the man is dead

  • @barry4649
    @barry4649 11 місяців тому +1

    I love the thumbnail because front and centre we’ve got Kanye who has only really said controversial opinions that most people in time come to agree with and he’s overshadowing two pedophiles of under-12s, and two woman beaters. Kanye West is more controversial than people like that because of media agendas alone, what does that tell you?

    • @EazyRocko
      @EazyRocko 11 місяців тому +3

      If your referring to MJ as one of them how can you say that if it was never proven and he was found not guilty on all charges

    • @barry4649
      @barry4649 11 місяців тому +1

      @@EazyRocko MJ did that shit man, and regardless even being accused of that is a lot more controversial than anything Kanye said

    • @EazyRocko
      @EazyRocko 11 місяців тому +1

      @@barry4649 idiot how do you know if there is zero concrete evidence against him and he was found not guilty on all charges and there is multiple lies and inconsistenties in accusers stories how do you get abused in a place that never existed and they always go after money and so many kids still defend him and the first accuser came out and said his father made him lie for money you can't say he did something if it was never proven try doing some homework and stop listening to media BS because of you believe that shit you probably believe in Santa Claus you telling me it's been 30 years and that shit still can't be proven but they can prove Jimmy Savile

  • @jazzyjeff9777
    @jazzyjeff9777 11 місяців тому +4

    The idea that Ye’s sporadic personality should be compared to a child molester and a woman beater is beyond embarrassing, a total false equivalency…and yeah I am EXTEEMELY eager to hear Kanye’s new music

    • @SweaterSwagg
      @SweaterSwagg 11 місяців тому +2

      He said slavery was a choice and supports Hitler.

    • @zacmirza6498
      @zacmirza6498 11 місяців тому +2

      sporadic is saying slavery is a choice?

    • @Bruh-wq1nn
      @Bruh-wq1nn 11 місяців тому

      Michael Jackson never molested children, those were all false allegations

  • @rapbaap
    @rapbaap 11 місяців тому

    From music was start on earth .. no matter which singer singing... Only matter how good was song.. so every artist did 30 songs but his top Hits are 5/6 so.. if he is so famous nd big why his some songs flops.. it's proof that audiance only matter abt good song . No matter it's Michel Jackson or Eminem or Weekend... If they create avreg song.. listener is not interested to listen it on loop.. even god create own song sending from sky nd if it's avreg song .. no one will listen.. if poor boy sing good his own song on street public will love it

  • @petscopstan
    @petscopstan 11 місяців тому +3

    Kanye isn't a bad person. He just has good character writing.

    • @mikedavis5288
      @mikedavis5288 11 місяців тому +1

      Stop it.

    • @AllBetzOff
      @AllBetzOff 11 місяців тому

      @@mikedavis5288you really think he’s a bad person? You must’ve not seen an actual bad person

    • @mikedavis5288
      @mikedavis5288 11 місяців тому +1

      @@AllBetzOff of course I don’t think he’s a bad person at heart, however I think ignoring things he’s said or done and blaming it on “mental health” alone or “playing a character” when his actions have had real world repercussions is insane

  • @thegoldensorcerer9866
    @thegoldensorcerer9866 11 місяців тому +2

    Kanye didn’t even do anything wrong other than making a few controversial comments. He shouldn’t be part of the same discussion as a literal child molestor

    • @smaaron_j_46
      @smaaron_j_46 11 місяців тому

      MJ ain’t no child molester 💀 if he is, then why doesn’t anybody ask the kid he supposedly “touched”? Tourists 😂

  • @lorddpablo9651
    @lorddpablo9651 11 місяців тому

    Embattled controversial artist are the best ! Period. If u drink the kool aid you a sheep/ simple minded person

  • @shabazz360
    @shabazz360 11 місяців тому +1

    Of course you can. The artist in question did not put his beliefs in the art, so therefore even HE separated it from the art. Move on. Who cares.