I also stumbled upon that since she's so big, she doesn’t need an editor because her books will sell anyway. Which is crazy because that's just a recipe for the authors downfall. Edit: now idk if she fired her editor, but either way - no matter how big you are, editors will be the ones who keep you in that position.
@@Dani_77709 HoFaS had five different editors and was re-written in ~6 weeks before publishing. My theory is that not one single well-rested person read the book cover to cover before it was sent to the publisher.
ACOTAR SPOILERS BELOW . . . . The buildup of the 'big bad evil guys' in ACOTAR only to have them defeated by a dirty look and a curse word was one of my big hangups about it too (one of many). For several books the Weaver was this massive, terrifying, ancient force, and then she just dies in two sentences by having her neck snapped? I hated it. Not to mention, the CLIMB in the Blood Rite was described as incredibly brutal and almost impossible, but the "Valkyries" get there in ACOSF and it's like a hiking trail.
Can we chalk that last one up to the law of the man cold? 😂 (jk, that whole plot line was really annoying to me, why was it so easy for three barely trained girls, interference aside? )
What I thought for most in these is: get a harsher editor because the job is to catch these things. An author sells well and is so succesful and then suddenly it seems as if they dont get edited anymore and the books get just longer and longer. Sure make them longer because you know they sell but make them still tightly edited like before. Also the point about the worlds crossing and you needing to read all of them. As a publisher wouldnt you then get nervous. Because you then dont get to market the books as something new to completly new to the authors readers but need people to have read all the prior books
I feel like writing the series to be interconnected lends into to losing out on so many consumers because I would venture to bet most readers don't have the time or the stamina to read (or reread) 15+ books every time a new one comes just to be caught up on what's going on and who is who.
@@shaeighbrewer507 like Ty for saying this because a lot of folks I’ve seen are like WeLlLl JuUSt ReAd ThE BoOoKs and I’m like but what if I like 2 of the series but not the third? ig she’s at a point where she has made ashitton of money & has millions of fans so it’s probably not an issue or she doesn’t see the issue ig she assumes it means more people will be forced to read her other books if they wanna read the new ones, like she probably thinks it will increase sales on her other series or older books 🤷♀️ idk why else she wouldn’t have thought of it & her publisher etc.
@@shaeighbrewer507 you and Staci make great points!! It’s easy for me (Melissa) to say “it’s not a big deal, she’ll give you the information you need for this book” since I’ve read them all, but that’s an incredibly skewed way to think about it. Regardless of how much money an author is made and what they think they can “get away with” for the sake of selling more books, we as readers are who they should be thinking of first and foremost. Without us reading and falling in love with the stories they write, their books are just a bunch of ink and paper.
My theory with SJM is that she started off as a Fanfic writer. Which means she had Beta readers who were fans, who could catch these things. TOG is a SailorMoon fanfic reskinned. I have seen someone with an ARC copy of ACOTAR, but my guess is her pool of ARC readers has gone down. And, now she only has her editor who isn't a fan.
@@lamebookclubpodI read it opening weekend and it was a disaster. I no longer like Bryce. Hunt had every right to be messed up, but wouldn’t just say that. Then you have the delulu twins out there on their side quests. It was so unorganized and chaotic. And the “cross-over” bits were so anti-climactic.
Sjm has a new series coming out called "Twilight of the Gods" and it's strongly hinted at ToG characters and she's mentioned Nesta's story isn't over. She's definitely said she wants a book where she can "play" in all of them together. So she will be doing full crossovers.
@@Nickel1562 We have theories on what “Twilight of the Gods” will be about in our Norse Mythology episode titled “Are Aelin, Feyre, and Bryce the Norns of Norse Mythology?” Nesta and the Valkyries’ stories definitely aren’t over, I agree! I just wish this achievement they had in ACOSF was a little more believable, in my opinion. But I would LOVE an ACOTAR/TOG/CC crossover series 😍
Throne of Glass plot holes I still think about. -How did TrashBinn know Lysandra was a shapeshifter? -Why is Manon’s cloak red instead of blue if it’s dyed in the blood of her half sister?
@@vanillacaramelface6 TrashBinn 💀💀 but HONESTLY. I get it he had money, but there’s no WAY he was able to get that information from anyone when she was so young when magic was taken away from their land. WHY DIDN’T I EVEN THINK ABOUT THE COLOR OF THE CLOAK?! You’re so right 🤯
On Nox & Aelin: If Nox was from Terrasen and that closely connected to nobility, HOW did he not recognize her in the competition because of her Ashryver eyes? If the eye coloring of Ashryvers was important enough to have it's own little nursey rhyme or whatever, surely he would have known who she was all along? Or maybe he did and said as much to Lysandra and I'm forgetting.
I’m super biased because I HAVE read all of SJM’s books, but I would love there to be actual character development from crossover characters because for people who have read all of the series, it would make the book 10x better. I also feel like there’s no way to include a character like Aelin without there being complete spoilers for the whole TOG series. I get why there would be objections to that, but I think it’s better for Sarah to cater to the majority of her fans, which are people who have read all 3 series. Again, I’m biased and just really wanna see Aelin again…
The Portals in KoA are created with Wyrdmarks. They learned the marks in the books Chaol brought with him. They hint at it when Aelin and Rowan go into the tent to discuss "something they found" It's a pet peeve of mine how many times SJM hints at something our protganoists learned and revealing it later in a deus ex machina style. It's a very cheap way to resolve things 😅
I totally get the criticism for how ridiculous it is that Nesta and the gang winning the blood rite with only 6 months of training against a pack of far more experienced warriors… however, hear me out, they did canonically have advantages that even the bat boys didn’t have. 1) the bracelets. You might think that the choice was dumb, but having magical find-my-friends bracelets are an advantage for Nesta and her friends. And because of them, they’re able to find each other on the first day of the blood rite whereas the bat boys weren’t able to joint up until day 3. The Made bracelets allowed the girls to find each other and have the advantage of group solidarity way faster than the bat boys. 2) Illyrian culture. The culture is very chauvinistic and that can be a disadvantage. They had the girls and they want to kill them, but they also underestimate them. Both Gwyn and Nesta are able to use this to their advantage multiple times. 3) Nesta and Gwyn aren’t Illyrian. During the blood rite, huge chunks of the Illyrians get killed by beasts that hunt them, but Gwyn and Nesta are pretty much safe from this risk because the beasts are only predatory toward Illyrians. So Nesta and Gwyn are able to use their bodies to mask the scent of Emerie’s blood and protect themselves and Emerie from the beasts that prey on Illyrians. Not only does this eliminate a threat, but they also are able to rest at night better than anyone who has ever participated in the blood rite before. This is an advantage that the bat boys, all of whom are Illyrian, did not have. Is an advantage that no blood rite contestant has ever had. 4) the Queen. The Queen sabotaging the blood rite by mind controlling many of the contestants and giving everyone weapons is also a huge advantage ultimately for the girls. Yes, there were a number of contestants hunting Nesta, but if they were hunting her, then they weren’t trying to win. And while the weapons made anyone that attacked the girls more deadly, it also allowed the girls to defend themselves better if they could get their hands on a weapon. AND the weapons made the many skirmished between contestants that didn’t include the girls a lot more deadly, which eliminated contestants at a much higher rate than in previous years. 5) it’s a repeat- Illyrian culture. It’s also the only advantage that both the bat boys and the girls have in common. The training Illyrians go through in preparation for the blood rite encourages cutthroat behavior. During the actual rite, people might for convenient and temporary alliances but ultimately, everyone is out for themselves and these alliances aren’t built on trust and frequently dissolve into backstabbing. But the bat boys loved each other and wanted to win together or not at all. The same was true for the girls. They knew they could trust each other no matter what, so they rested easier while their friend stayed watch. They would never abandon each other, so they fought harder and more seamlessly as a unit. They would all die for one another, so their unit didn’t splinter when the going got tough. 6) Rhys is a nepobaby. With they way he tells the story of his blood rite, you’d think his position as crown prince of the night court put a target on his back, but do we really buy that? With how much people, including the Illyrians feared Rhys’s father? Really? When Rhys’s dad met his mom, it was as he interrupted her wing clipping and they were so afraid of them that they stopped immediately and let him take her away on the spot and marry her. Do we really think that any of the contestants in Rhys’s year would have risked their high lord’s wrath by killing his only son? I’m sure they were gunning extra hard for Az and Cass and Rhys had a a hard time because of that, but I seriously doubt anyone would have actually followed through if given the opportunity to kill Rhys. And that’s an advantage Rhys and the bat boys had that made the blood rite easier for them in ways that it wasn’t for any other contestants including Nesta and the gang. Ultimately, I think SJM should have done a better job of building out all of these factors and supporting them in the text, but these are the reasons why I’m not bothered by Nesta and her gal pals winning the blood rite. I don’t think it’s a plot hole. What I do think is a problem is why Rhys was allowed to survive ACOSF after taking Feyre’s bodily autonomy and threatening to kill Nesta.
@@missanthropy6174 I think…you may have convinced me (Melissa) that this was actually plausible. 🤯😂 you made such a great points! I just wish all of these things were a little more obvious? Maybe it’s just me, actually. That’s very likely. 😂 I do think that, given the opportunity, they would have killed Rhys, though. While he might have been the only son of the High Lord, the Blood Rite strips everyone of who they are (not just their magic). During the Blood Rite, he was just another male. And given how powerful he was outside of it, it would have been seen as a huge accomplishment to take him down. Plus, based on the little insight that we get of his dad, he seems like the kind of male who expected greatness from his son. If he was “weak” enough to be killed during something like the Blood Rite, then he would have deserved it and wouldn’t have retaliated. That’s just my interpretation, though!
@@lamebookclubpod I totally agree with you that the advantages that the Valkyries had needed to be better built out in the text. Personally, I think this book would be vastly improved by trading a lot of the “hold onto the headboard” pages for more focus on details like blood rite advantages and training. I also think that ACOSF should have taken place over the span of a few years and not a few months. However, as it currently exists, there is canon support for the Valkyries’ ability to win the blood rite. You have to be paying attention to see it, but it is there. And with Rhys, something I forgot to mention which supports my belief that he was never in danger the same way any other contestants are is his father’s reaction to his mom and sister being killed. It’s in the book that Rhys’s father was pretty misogynistic and his expectations and feelings about his son we’re probably different than those for his wife and daughter. So maybe, if Rhys had been killed, he just would have seen his son as weak and deserving of death if he can’t defend himself. But his response to his wife and daughter, who in his mind could not be his heir and he probably valued less than Rhys, being killed is to take Rhys to the spring court and kill Tamlin’s father and mother and all 5 of his brothers… I just don’t see him responding to the death of his son any less drastically against whoever had killed him. I think Rhys was protected by his position as the high lord’s son.
@@trishaprehoda2421 LOL I like the way you think 😂 to me it just seemed like something a 16 year old would add to a story (since she was 16 when she started TOG)
I don’t understand AT ALL how HOFAS even made it through editing… like comparing it to the other two series, it is so bad and I hadn’t even noticed some of the plotholes you talked about in this episode 😅
@@johanna37 you and me both. 😅 the fact that an entire team of people read the final draft she submitted and either said “no notes” or ended up with THIS after their notes will never make sense to me 😂
Tell me why hesperaus and vesperaus have pretty much the same name and both call themselves the evening star and it literally doesnt matter anymore cuz they are both dead 😭😭😭
No but them being dry when she heavily stressed it was the only entrance… it’s to the point that SJM needs to start using story boards and mapping. In an interview with Jenna Bush, SJM raves how she doesn’t need notes bc her characters are so real in her mind 😭😤😩. Just do story mapping and notes on characters Sarah! It doesn’t make you weak! 😂 You’re still a great writer, use devices!
I know another author who writes large interconnected worlds like SJM and he has an entire team that tries to make sure things like this don’t happen. He has scores of alpha, beta, and gamma readers. Even specialist readers who are experts in the magic or geography to make sure everything is consistent. And this author still has things slip through. But his team reduces the number of errors.
I think the thing that I quote the most is the movie the Emperor‘s new groove lol I haven’t seen it in probably a decade, but I watched it so often as a kid that it makes up much of my vernacular. Also, despite hating the man, I do quote Trump often lol anytime I do or say something stupid I say “I have a very good brain”.
@@taylorgayhart9497 he is so quotable whether you like him or not. 😂 And EMPERORS NEW GROOVE my goodness. That movie was pivotal in my childhood. I think I tell anyone who will listen to “pull the lever” at least once a week.
This has generally nothing to do with this episode but everyone should watch Bluey lol, I started watching it with my youngest and now my whole family will sit and watch it because it's just so good! I do have some thoughts on this episode, I think the first was mentioned that Azriel and Bryce were set up to be mates and I totally agree! If SJM was more into poly relationships I could also see how Nesta, Cassian and Azriel would be mates. I think if we pull info from all sources it was making more sense that Azriel would be a prince of hell rather than Hunt. Going along with what Melissa said that SJM rewrote all of HOFAS so quickly, I heard basically the same thing but it was that she had the whole book done and when she was going to send it to her editor she just "didn't like it" and thus scrapped the entire thing and rewrote the whole book in like 5 weeks. I too have no idea where I heard this so I can't cite sources but if that's the case I hope she never does that again. I feel like at some point I heard in an interview with her that her and her "editor" have a whole binder full of all the characters and their backstories and everything to do with the plot of each book. So if she did rewrite HOFAS then she probably should have looked at that longer lol. Sorry this is so freaking long, but I really enjoyed this episode!
Elide's witch blood has always bothered me, because the witches breed with humans and seem to only birth female full witches. So not sure how she got to be part witch.
Why am I here if I haven't read all of her books? Honestly, it's because I recently DNF'd ACOTAR after ACOMAF, and I'm curious if the things I noticed as plotholes were really plotholes. I'm not hating on the series if you love it, not at all. I found out that SJM's works just aren't for me. I think I might like the Crescent City series because Urban Fantasy is my jam, but I barely made it through ACOMAF, and the interconnectedness of her books makes me reluctant to read anything else, and honestly, I'm just not willing to power through 12 or 13 books to get to the three that I might like.
I read all of her books, you dont need to know anything about the other books to read crescent city or the sequel. So go ahead if you want! BUT *rant incoming* Tbh, idk if crescent city is worth the read. The last like 50 pages (or less) are amazing, but you need to read the whole book for the tension to build. And its hard to read. The first one feels muddy and unclear, like the plot kind of dips in and out and they introduce a lot of stuff that barely connects to the plot until the end or even the next book. I never DNF but i was fighting through this book. The second book was bad to read, just bad. It changes POV and storyline every couple pages, and each section has a fake cliff hanger and its so frustrating! I was like just get it over with, get through the one conversation without pausing! The constant barrage of cliff hangers that arent cliff hangers is exhausting. But thats just my opinion!
Erawan was never in the king; once they opened his tomb, Erawan took over Perrington’s body and let a Valg prince take over the King’s 😊 hope this helped ❤
Didnt she said she got rid of her editor?
Like damn bring them back
@@vanebianey ooof I didn’t hear that, but if so….why sis?😅
I also stumbled upon that since she's so big, she doesn’t need an editor because her books will sell anyway.
Which is crazy because that's just a recipe for the authors downfall.
Edit: now idk if she fired her editor, but either way - no matter how big you are, editors will be the ones who keep you in that position.
@@Dani_77709 HoFaS had five different editors and was re-written in ~6 weeks before publishing. My theory is that not one single well-rested person read the book cover to cover before it was sent to the publisher.
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The buildup of the 'big bad evil guys' in ACOTAR only to have them defeated by a dirty look and a curse word was one of my big hangups about it too (one of many). For several books the Weaver was this massive, terrifying, ancient force, and then she just dies in two sentences by having her neck snapped? I hated it.
Not to mention, the CLIMB in the Blood Rite was described as incredibly brutal and almost impossible, but the "Valkyries" get there in ACOSF and it's like a hiking trail.
Can we chalk that last one up to the law of the man cold? 😂 (jk, that whole plot line was really annoying to me, why was it so easy for three barely trained girls, interference aside? )
@@it_stimefortea Exactly!
@@ArcticValkyrie YES. THANK YOU. Don’t get me wrong, I love this series, but some of these things are really hard to ignore. 😅
What I thought for most in these is: get a harsher editor because the job is to catch these things. An author sells well and is so succesful and then suddenly it seems as if they dont get edited anymore and the books get just longer and longer. Sure make them longer because you know they sell but make them still tightly edited like before.
Also the point about the worlds crossing and you needing to read all of them. As a publisher wouldnt you then get nervous. Because you then dont get to market the books as something new to completly new to the authors readers but need people to have read all the prior books
Her books do keep getting unnecessarily longer. I didn’t love the last 3 ToG books because they had way too much filler. Same could be said for ACOSF.
I feel like writing the series to be interconnected lends into to losing out on so many consumers because I would venture to bet most readers don't have the time or the stamina to read (or reread) 15+ books every time a new one comes just to be caught up on what's going on and who is who.
@@shaeighbrewer507 like Ty for saying this because a lot of folks I’ve seen are like WeLlLl JuUSt ReAd ThE BoOoKs and I’m like but what if I like 2 of the series but not the third? ig she’s at a point where she has made ashitton of money & has millions of fans so it’s probably not an issue or she doesn’t see the issue ig she assumes it means more people will be forced to read her other books if they wanna read the new ones, like she probably thinks it will increase sales on her other series or older books 🤷♀️ idk why else she wouldn’t have thought of it & her publisher etc.
@@shaeighbrewer507 you and Staci make great points!!
It’s easy for me (Melissa) to say “it’s not a big deal, she’ll give you the information you need for this book” since I’ve read them all, but that’s an incredibly skewed way to think about it.
Regardless of how much money an author is made and what they think they can “get away with” for the sake of selling more books, we as readers are who they should be thinking of first and foremost. Without us reading and falling in love with the stories they write, their books are just a bunch of ink and paper.
My theory with SJM is that she started off as a Fanfic writer. Which means she had Beta readers who were fans, who could catch these things. TOG is a SailorMoon fanfic reskinned. I have seen someone with an ARC copy of ACOTAR, but my guess is her pool of ARC readers has gone down. And, now she only has her editor who isn't a fan.
@@AlexisTheBookworm have you read the CC series (specifically HOFAS)? Her editor 100% has a personal vendetta against her lol.
@@lamebookclubpodI read it opening weekend and it was a disaster. I no longer like Bryce. Hunt had every right to be messed up, but wouldn’t just say that. Then you have the delulu twins out there on their side quests. It was so unorganized and chaotic. And the “cross-over” bits were so anti-climactic.
Ive been thinking this myself, and I have a theory that acotar is a reskinned black jewels fanfic.
Sjm has a new series coming out called "Twilight of the Gods" and it's strongly hinted at ToG characters and she's mentioned Nesta's story isn't over. She's definitely said she wants a book where she can "play" in all of them together. So she will be doing full crossovers.
@@Nickel1562 We have theories on what “Twilight of the Gods” will be about in our Norse Mythology episode titled “Are Aelin, Feyre, and Bryce the Norns of Norse Mythology?”
Nesta and the Valkyries’ stories definitely aren’t over, I agree! I just wish this achievement they had in ACOSF was a little more believable, in my opinion.
But I would LOVE an ACOTAR/TOG/CC crossover series 😍
@@lamebookclubpod Ooo I'll have to go watch it!!
So ... SJM is writing fanfic of SJM books? Gurl .... skill issue
@@Evelyn_Okay 😆 😆
Throne of Glass plot holes I still think about.
-How did TrashBinn know Lysandra was a shapeshifter?
-Why is Manon’s cloak red instead of blue if it’s dyed in the blood of her half sister?
@@vanillacaramelface6 TrashBinn 💀💀 but HONESTLY. I get it he had money, but there’s no WAY he was able to get that information from anyone when she was so young when magic was taken away from their land.
WHY DIDN’T I EVEN THINK ABOUT THE COLOR OF THE CLOAK?! You’re so right 🤯
On Nox & Aelin: If Nox was from Terrasen and that closely connected to nobility, HOW did he not recognize her in the competition because of her Ashryver eyes? If the eye coloring of Ashryvers was important enough to have it's own little nursey rhyme or whatever, surely he would have known who she was all along? Or maybe he did and said as much to Lysandra and I'm forgetting.
@@cde423 oh my gosh THIS. I didn’t even think about that initially??? You’re so right!
I’m super biased because I HAVE read all of SJM’s books, but I would love there to be actual character development from crossover characters because for people who have read all of the series, it would make the book 10x better. I also feel like there’s no way to include a character like Aelin without there being complete spoilers for the whole TOG series. I get why there would be objections to that, but I think it’s better for Sarah to cater to the majority of her fans, which are people who have read all 3 series. Again, I’m biased and just really wanna see Aelin again…
Same lol, I 100% agree with this comment 😂❤️🔥❤️🔥
@@mintel50257 I (Melissa) fully agree with this - even if it might not have seemed like that in the episode 😂
The Portals in KoA are created with Wyrdmarks. They learned the marks in the books Chaol brought with him. They hint at it when Aelin and Rowan go into the tent to discuss "something they found"
It's a pet peeve of mine how many times SJM hints at something our protganoists learned and revealing it later in a deus ex machina style. It's a very cheap way to resolve things 😅
I totally get the criticism for how ridiculous it is that Nesta and the gang winning the blood rite with only 6 months of training against a pack of far more experienced warriors… however, hear me out, they did canonically have advantages that even the bat boys didn’t have.
1) the bracelets. You might think that the choice was dumb, but having magical find-my-friends bracelets are an advantage for Nesta and her friends. And because of them, they’re able to find each other on the first day of the blood rite whereas the bat boys weren’t able to joint up until day 3. The Made bracelets allowed the girls to find each other and have the advantage of group solidarity way faster than the bat boys.
2) Illyrian culture. The culture is very chauvinistic and that can be a disadvantage. They had the girls and they want to kill them, but they also underestimate them. Both Gwyn and Nesta are able to use this to their advantage multiple times.
3) Nesta and Gwyn aren’t Illyrian. During the blood rite, huge chunks of the Illyrians get killed by beasts that hunt them, but Gwyn and Nesta are pretty much safe from this risk because the beasts are only predatory toward Illyrians. So Nesta and Gwyn are able to use their bodies to mask the scent of Emerie’s blood and protect themselves and Emerie from the beasts that prey on Illyrians. Not only does this eliminate a threat, but they also are able to rest at night better than anyone who has ever participated in the blood rite before. This is an advantage that the bat boys, all of whom are Illyrian, did not have. Is an advantage that no blood rite contestant has ever had.
4) the Queen. The Queen sabotaging the blood rite by mind controlling many of the contestants and giving everyone weapons is also a huge advantage ultimately for the girls. Yes, there were a number of contestants hunting Nesta, but if they were hunting her, then they weren’t trying to win. And while the weapons made anyone that attacked the girls more deadly, it also allowed the girls to defend themselves better if they could get their hands on a weapon. AND the weapons made the many skirmished between contestants that didn’t include the girls a lot more deadly, which eliminated contestants at a much higher rate than in previous years.
5) it’s a repeat- Illyrian culture. It’s also the only advantage that both the bat boys and the girls have in common. The training Illyrians go through in preparation for the blood rite encourages cutthroat behavior. During the actual rite, people might for convenient and temporary alliances but ultimately, everyone is out for themselves and these alliances aren’t built on trust and frequently dissolve into backstabbing. But the bat boys loved each other and wanted to win together or not at all. The same was true for the girls. They knew they could trust each other no matter what, so they rested easier while their friend stayed watch. They would never abandon each other, so they fought harder and more seamlessly as a unit. They would all die for one another, so their unit didn’t splinter when the going got tough.
6) Rhys is a nepobaby. With they way he tells the story of his blood rite, you’d think his position as crown prince of the night court put a target on his back, but do we really buy that? With how much people, including the Illyrians feared Rhys’s father? Really? When Rhys’s dad met his mom, it was as he interrupted her wing clipping and they were so afraid of them that they stopped immediately and let him take her away on the spot and marry her. Do we really think that any of the contestants in Rhys’s year would have risked their high lord’s wrath by killing his only son? I’m sure they were gunning extra hard for Az and Cass and Rhys had a a hard time because of that, but I seriously doubt anyone would have actually followed through if given the opportunity to kill Rhys. And that’s an advantage Rhys and the bat boys had that made the blood rite easier for them in ways that it wasn’t for any other contestants including Nesta and the gang.
Ultimately, I think SJM should have done a better job of building out all of these factors and supporting them in the text, but these are the reasons why I’m not bothered by Nesta and her gal pals winning the blood rite. I don’t think it’s a plot hole. What I do think is a problem is why Rhys was allowed to survive ACOSF after taking Feyre’s bodily autonomy and threatening to kill Nesta.
@@missanthropy6174 I think…you may have convinced me (Melissa) that this was actually plausible. 🤯😂 you made such a great points! I just wish all of these things were a little more obvious? Maybe it’s just me, actually. That’s very likely. 😂
I do think that, given the opportunity, they would have killed Rhys, though. While he might have been the only son of the High Lord, the Blood Rite strips everyone of who they are (not just their magic). During the Blood Rite, he was just another male. And given how powerful he was outside of it, it would have been seen as a huge accomplishment to take him down. Plus, based on the little insight that we get of his dad, he seems like the kind of male who expected greatness from his son. If he was “weak” enough to be killed during something like the Blood Rite, then he would have deserved it and wouldn’t have retaliated. That’s just my interpretation, though!
@@lamebookclubpod I totally agree with you that the advantages that the Valkyries had needed to be better built out in the text. Personally, I think this book would be vastly improved by trading a lot of the “hold onto the headboard” pages for more focus on details like blood rite advantages and training. I also think that ACOSF should have taken place over the span of a few years and not a few months. However, as it currently exists, there is canon support for the Valkyries’ ability to win the blood rite. You have to be paying attention to see it, but it is there.
And with Rhys, something I forgot to mention which supports my belief that he was never in danger the same way any other contestants are is his father’s reaction to his mom and sister being killed. It’s in the book that Rhys’s father was pretty misogynistic and his expectations and feelings about his son we’re probably different than those for his wife and daughter. So maybe, if Rhys had been killed, he just would have seen his son as weak and deserving of death if he can’t defend himself. But his response to his wife and daughter, who in his mind could not be his heir and he probably valued less than Rhys, being killed is to take Rhys to the spring court and kill Tamlin’s father and mother and all 5 of his brothers… I just don’t see him responding to the death of his son any less drastically against whoever had killed him. I think Rhys was protected by his position as the high lord’s son.
Not really a plot hole, but what was the point of Fleetfoot?
I think it was just to show how much Dorian cared for Celaena. Especially since he trained and took care of her for Celaena.
@@trishaprehoda2421 LOL I like the way you think 😂 to me it just seemed like something a 16 year old would add to a story (since she was 16 when she started TOG)
The reason was SJM has a dog named Annie. In my opinion, Aelin is just a wish fulfillment character.
@@giveandtake8428 makes sense. Maybe it’s just me, but I thought he/she (I can’t even remember) would play a bigger role.
I don’t understand AT ALL how HOFAS even made it through editing… like comparing it to the other two series, it is so bad and I hadn’t even noticed some of the plotholes you talked about in this episode 😅
@@johanna37 you and me both. 😅 the fact that an entire team of people read the final draft she submitted and either said “no notes” or ended up with THIS after their notes will never make sense to me 😂
Tell me why hesperaus and vesperaus have pretty much the same name and both call themselves the evening star and it literally doesnt matter anymore cuz they are both dead 😭😭😭
As someone that is writing a book.... you absolutely do not remember your own book. All the details at least.
No but them being dry when she heavily stressed it was the only entrance… it’s to the point that SJM needs to start using story boards and mapping.
In an interview with Jenna Bush, SJM raves how she doesn’t need notes bc her characters are so real in her mind 😭😤😩.
Just do story mapping and notes on characters Sarah! It doesn’t make you weak! 😂 You’re still a great writer, use devices!
I know another author who writes large interconnected worlds like SJM and he has an entire team that tries to make sure things like this don’t happen. He has scores of alpha, beta, and gamma readers. Even specialist readers who are experts in the magic or geography to make sure everything is consistent.
And this author still has things slip through. But his team reduces the number of errors.
I also hated the sex scenes and how almost everyone is sex crazed
I think the thing that I quote the most is the movie the Emperor‘s new groove lol I haven’t seen it in probably a decade, but I watched it so often as a kid that it makes up much of my vernacular. Also, despite hating the man, I do quote Trump often lol anytime I do or say something stupid I say “I have a very good brain”.
@@taylorgayhart9497 he is so quotable whether you like him or not. 😂
And EMPERORS NEW GROOVE my goodness. That movie was pivotal in my childhood. I think I tell anyone who will listen to “pull the lever” at least once a week.
This has generally nothing to do with this episode but everyone should watch Bluey lol, I started watching it with my youngest and now my whole family will sit and watch it because it's just so good!
I do have some thoughts on this episode, I think the first was mentioned that Azriel and Bryce were set up to be mates and I totally agree! If SJM was more into poly relationships I could also see how Nesta, Cassian and Azriel would be mates. I think if we pull info from all sources it was making more sense that Azriel would be a prince of hell rather than Hunt. Going along with what Melissa said that SJM rewrote all of HOFAS so quickly, I heard basically the same thing but it was that she had the whole book done and when she was going to send it to her editor she just "didn't like it" and thus scrapped the entire thing and rewrote the whole book in like 5 weeks. I too have no idea where I heard this so I can't cite sources but if that's the case I hope she never does that again. I feel like at some point I heard in an interview with her that her and her "editor" have a whole binder full of all the characters and their backstories and everything to do with the plot of each book. So if she did rewrite HOFAS then she probably should have looked at that longer lol. Sorry this is so freaking long, but I really enjoyed this episode!
Okay but I need to know what the spongebob tattoo was going to be
Elide's witch blood has always bothered me, because the witches breed with humans and seem to only birth female full witches. So not sure how she got to be part witch.
In ACOWAR they were being weakened by fae bane. That's how I rationalize the winnowing
Why am I here if I haven't read all of her books?
Honestly, it's because I recently DNF'd ACOTAR after ACOMAF, and I'm curious if the things I noticed as plotholes were really plotholes.
I'm not hating on the series if you love it, not at all. I found out that SJM's works just aren't for me.
I think I might like the Crescent City series because Urban Fantasy is my jam, but I barely made it through ACOMAF, and the interconnectedness of her books makes me reluctant to read anything else, and honestly, I'm just not willing to power through 12 or 13 books to get to the three that I might like.
I read all of her books, you dont need to know anything about the other books to read crescent city or the sequel. So go ahead if you want! BUT *rant incoming* Tbh, idk if crescent city is worth the read. The last like 50 pages (or less) are amazing, but you need to read the whole book for the tension to build. And its hard to read. The first one feels muddy and unclear, like the plot kind of dips in and out and they introduce a lot of stuff that barely connects to the plot until the end or even the next book. I never DNF but i was fighting through this book. The second book was bad to read, just bad. It changes POV and storyline every couple pages, and each section has a fake cliff hanger and its so frustrating! I was like just get it over with, get through the one conversation without pausing! The constant barrage of cliff hangers that arent cliff hangers is exhausting. But thats just my opinion!
I thought Arowan was in the King first and then he transfered to Perrington? Did I miss something?
Erawan was never in the king; once they opened his tomb, Erawan took over Perrington’s body and let a Valg prince take over the King’s 😊 hope this helped ❤
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Your fatphobia could have been edited out……