Roy Rogers fooled his fans wanting autographs!
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- Опубліковано 24 лют 2024
- Jeff explains how Roy Rogers fooled thousands of fans when asking for autographs -- and how autograph dealers are being fooled to this day, decades later!
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I saw Roy when I was about 8 or more years...he was in the museum. Mom and I stopped, he smiled and said hello and of corse I could not even say hi back because I was so shy! I was so nuts about him...had clothes and guns and every thing. When he died it broke my heart...I loved him so much! Good show thanks so much!!!!
What a memory you have! Awesome!
In fact I got a letter back. "To Brenda Always sty sweet, Roy Rogers, Dale Evens and Trigger"... So neat!
I also got Roy's picture with autograph back in the 50s. If the worse thing he ever did is fake an autograph, he was still a good man.
BTW, I have a book case just like the one behind you in the video. It's at least 70 years old.
Good Morning Jeff, Back in my youth I had the good fortune of see Roy Rogers perform at the American Royal Show in Kansas City. After his performance Roy rode completely around the fence of the arena ,shaking hands with anyone that wanted to shake. Like a dumbell I didn't go greet him. Instead staying in my seat way up in the bleachers. I regret that now. Have a Great Day 😊
I met Roy Rodgers and Dale Evans years ago. That was when his museum was in Apple Valley. There was a fire that burned up his warehouse and I worked with the clean up crew. It destroyed some of his vehicles and memorabilia.
I didn't know they had a fire. I do know they moved the whole collection to Branson and then it closed. As the generations go by, fewer and fewer folks remember Roy and Dale, which is sad but I guess life goes on, doesn't it?
@@jbenziggy yes sir. The museum in Apple Valley, was before the Victorville museum. The last time I was in Apple Valley, the building was a bowling alley. Their ranch was right across the street from the museum back then. Then they moved over to the golf course. Their home had the RR on the gates. I had a friend, who was a Clamper like I am, Estanislo chapter 58. Lived right next door to Roy and Dale. I knew their nephew Jim Odell as well. But it is sad our history is being forgotten. That's one reason I enjoy your posts.
Jeff, I was fortunate to visit the museum in both Victorville and Branson. In Branson, I was able to talk to Dusty on the three occasions we visited. The day my wife and I visited the Victorville museum was December 31, 1988. When I asked a lady worker how often Roy visited the museum, she replied, "almost every day. But since today is Roy and Dale's wedding anniversary, he may not come over." He did not while we were there and I never got to meet him unfortunately.@@jbenziggy
Good morning (my UA-cam professor)😂. I live right down the street from Roy’s home in Apple Valley. Needless to say, I’m really close to their final resting spot. I’ll go have a talk with them. 😂. Great one sir!
That disillusions a collector, especially if you've paid for the signature. (Sports' celebrities, the same thing... You have to be SO careful.) I'm sorry to learn that. I would never have thought that about Roy. Thanks, Jeff... what a shame.
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I’ve learned a ton about signatures from you. I only have a few - but, all of your videos that cover the subject have made me much wiser. Great episode!
What you said is so true. We spend money on items and in hopes the real person is giving us their real autograph. It's so sad that this happens all the time. I'm a big race fan and one of my favor drivers told me, "if you didn't get it autographed by me in person, don't believe one you buy or send away for"! Reality hit me right then and there. Thanks for the great video Jeff.
Ahhh how many hearts broken finding out this :) Loved Roy Rogers growing up and sad to see his name isn't what you think you have. Great video Jeff and thankyou
Jeff, we have corresponded in the past concerning you great work. I am a 78 year old retired CPA/auditor and always a huge huge fan of Roy Rogers and Trigger. I really appreciate your attention to presenting the truth in your videos. I have many mottos including "In God we trust and all others we audit." "The truth will set you free." Finally, "Just the facts, maam." We must be cousins since we both love history so much. The only thing better than one of your videos would be for me to accomopany you on one or several of your history field trip. Thanks again and keep them coming and continued good health.
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I met Roy in 1982 when I was 15 yrs old in Portsmouth Ohio where he grew up as a boy. I shook his hand but should have gotten his autograph but I was too excited to think about it.
Awesome! I always wanted to meet him but never got to!
Excellent information, Jeff. Like you, I would have had no idea. I understand your frustration and disappointment. I realize it happens but when the autograph request is sent and paid for and you later find out it was signed by someone else representing the person, it's such a letdown. I suppose the best way to know for sure is to get the autograph in person or not at all. That way, there is no doubt. Thanks for another great video!
A lot secretaries sign autographs for the old entertainers because they didn't have time. It wasn't just Roy Rogers it was all the celebrities too
For sure!
I feel your pain Jeff. When I was a kid in 1970, I wrote a letter to my hero Roman Gabriel. A few weeks later I got an autographed, black & white photo of him. I treasured that photo thinking it was an authentic signature. I’ve seen other photos of him with the same quote “A Champion never quits”. I’ve in recent years wondered if mine was authentic. At this stage of my life (65) I’m going to just accept it as real. BTW, he’s still alive and kicking at 83! TY Jeff.
Jeff, great video, very informative. I do agree with you, but I'm not surprised. I'm sure most celebrities have secretaries sign for them. They must get thousands of requests every week. What is most surprising is that reputable companies authenticate the fake autographs.
I'm thinking now that my Rin Tin Tin autograph is fake, 😆. Thanks for the FYI Jeff 👍
His cat did all the signatures. I thought you knew!
Hello Jeff, Thanks for sharing this interesting story on Roy Rogers signing and wondering how many more actors did the same. It's a shame after all these years to find out the autographs are not real. Again, thanks for sharing this, and have a wonderful Sunday!
Roy Rogers - my mom's childhood heartthrob! Excellent sleuthing sir! I'll visit his final resting place at some point - I don't think mom ever did. Happy Trails!
We went to his museum in Victorville when we visited my brother who was stationed at George Airforce Base. I really enjoyed the museum. Seeing Trigger was something. Happy Trails !!!!!
I remember watching Roy Rogers as a kid. We (me, husband, father in law and mom in law) were going to stop at the Roy Rogers museum when we were out there on vacation but we got waylaid at all the different fruit and nut stands and didn't get the chance to go by. I really regret not going but maybe some other day......................
My boss (who was a filmmaker) asked me to get Roy Rogers on the phone for him. He answered the phone himself and was very kind to me.
Great Video, History Hunters ! I think all celebs who had so many fans who asked for their signature did something similar- imagine how sore his hand would be signing all of them and the time it would take to do so. Still, kind of feel cheated to know this.
So, sad, but I can understand the reasoning behind this action. I agree with you, Jeff, Roy, and other celebrities to be upfront with their signatures and yes, even endorsements.
If world famous celebrities could sign every autograph request, there would be no time left to be a world famous beloved person. They also use a stamp to sign mail orders. A fan of Roy Rogers.
Still watch them today. Grew up with them. Clean entertainment. 😊
Hi Jeff, your videos are always Monday mornings here. I was very busy sorry, but never late than never right. 😁 I agree with you, I’d rather be told someone doesn’t have the time.
Much better than a fake autograph. Roy did seem to be a lovey guy though. ❤Jodie 🇦🇺
Great video. Please continue with the signature series. I watch all your video Jeff! Fantastic!
Thanks, will do! Even though they seem to get fewer views!
Very interesting and thanks for posting! As a collector of autographs, I've always paid attention to the details as you have!
Very cool! Who do you primarily collect?
@@jbenziggy Mostly my 80's favs as those I grew up with. 80's TV mostly but also westerns, I'm a big Lee Van Cleef fan!
@@nhdenver7883 I’ve been trying to buy a cheaper one! I finally got a John Wayne letter recently! Not cheap!
My childhood hero, I was always wearing my cowboy regalia, hat, boots and holsters (I still have the double cap gun set and holster.) It's a shame to think he was too busy to sign things for his fans. Thank you Jeff for all the photos and explanation of what to look for.
He was still a decent man so I assume that signing autographs just became too much for him!
Interesting. I've never been huge in autographs, but that's a good lesson on how secretaries just don't make great copies for the real deal.
I am totally bummed for You..talk about disappointing..love your channel..much love to You and Sarah..always waiting for your next video!
GR8 HH vid Jeff! So sad to see these stars short change the people that made them what they were. Thnx for my weekly "fix"! ~Chris
Thanks for sharing this great episode with us Jeff. I grew up watching and "Idolizing" these singing Western heroes. Oh yeah.
"Happy Trails To You" and, " I'm Back In The Saddle Again". Great old songs that crop up in my memory quite often.
Again, thanks for sharing.
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Hi Jeff, we went to his museum in, not sure I think Victorville, he was in a wheelchair, he was there and we chatted with him and took some pictures of him with my family. He was very frail but oh so nice. I believe he passed away a couple months later. So sad the family closed the museum, it was a great place to see all his memorabilia. I believe it was in 1991 or 92.
I love this video, and this style of video. Great job! Thanks!
Yeah!! Me too!! Awesome video Jeff!!
Jeff, thank you for this amazing video! Quick story for you.
In the late 70s and 80s, I worked for Director Sydney Pollack. I knew Paul Newman‘s secretary and she told me a funny story. There was a woman who reached out for Paul Newman‘s autograph. The secretary signed it for Paul and send it to the fan. The fan sent it back and said “This is not his autograph. May I please have an authentic autograph?” So she signed it again for Paul and the woman sent the autograph back and said, “I know this second one is not his autograph as well!”
So the secretary had Paul sign it after the third request and sent it out to the fan. The fan sent a letter back, saying “Thank you so much for the authentic Autograph of Mr. Newman…”
Don’t ever fool an autograph seeker! 😂
I watched his show and I liked his and Dale singing I loved trigger to he was a beautiful horse ❤❤❤❤😊😊
Thank you, Jeff and Sarah.....I agree, it's hit or miss with autographs these days. Didn't know about Roy's though...he was so loved by many,,,,he should have taken the time.....very disappointing.....
I agree on your comment about the swiftness of the autographes returning to you.. Mine have always taken a long time to get back to me.
Very kool. I'm lucky enough to have visited the Victorville Museum. And enjoyed your cemetery tour.
Hi Jeff, Boy I wished I had never seen this video. I was born and grew up in LA only left it there in the early 2000s because it was changing. Back in those days I used to always attend the annual Lone Pine Film Festival. One year in the early 90s I had heard that Roy Rogers would sign an autograph if i would just send something to Apple Valley. I got two eight by ten glossies and sent them to him. They were returned to me with Roy's autograph. In playing this video I have found I was deceived. I have been bragging to friends when I go into my pool room about Roy's autograph. Now I can't do that anymore. I was so disappointed when I saw how I could identify them to be from his secretary.
It's a shame that celebrities can't be upfront about not signing memorabilia. Your video only reinforces why I got rid of my autograph collection years ago when someone pointed out a fake autograph from one of my fave stars. Have a groovy day.
Oh? Who was the favorite star?
@@jbenziggy Way back in the day, one of my fave stars was Fess Parker, Davy Crockett himself. Long story short, Many years and a few more celebrity autographs later, the harsh truth about non authenticity hit. Never asked for another autograph even when meeting celebrities face to face. I do, however, regret not asking Peter Fonda for his.
Was standing in line at the Apple CA. location of the Roy Rogers Museum in the early 1990's, waiting to buy some postcards. Lady in front of me asked the clerk if Roy ever came in. The clerk said oh my yes but he comes in early so he can get home for his soap operas.
I met both him and John Wayne in their later years (obviously not the same time period), but Roy (1990s) was in a wheel chair and was happy to have a picture taken. John Wayne (1970’s)on the other hand had a business card with his autograph printed on it, and after giving me one, he said to his assistant “ this is the best idea you ever had”
You wouldn’t believe how many times I’ve seen folks trying to sell those printed Wayne signatures as authentic. When I tell them they are printed they call my names.
Most celebrities and politicians had their secretaries sign autographs and documents for them.
Great channel. You need a TV show on prime time television, you're that good.
Wow, I really appreciate the praises! Thank you!
Sorry for your loss! Thank you for your lessons! In person or not at all.
Hi Jeff, This is sort of a comment to my just made comment. One year when I attended the film festival at Lone Pine I met Rand Brooks, Hoppy's sidekick. I was fortunate to ride the same bus when we toured he Alabama Hills. I sat with him and we talked all day. Of coarse I became friends with him and quit the fan. I have bought a few of his autographs on Ebay. One for Gone With The Wind the other as Lucky on the Hoppy films. I sure hope they are authentic. My dad used to take me and my friends to Corriganville. Corriganville is the location that the TV show Rin Tin Tin was filmed. Rand Brooks was a part of that cast. Fort Apache is the fictional location where Rin Tin Tin was based. Today it has burned down and there are Condos right up to where the front gates stood.
Amazes me how you find these things out.
I’ve never been an autograph seeker, but It sure is disappointing to those who collect them to find out it’s not original. I do know that a lot of celebrities don’t like people making money off of their signature and they won’t sign stuff, but that’s the nature of the beast.
As always good video.
Jeff i have been scammed by used car dealers for 40 years . Mrs Williams was only getting 5 dollars per signature. She was modest
Well very interesting what you showed and talked about. Sad to hear about the signatures real are not Roy is still Number 1 and all ways will be.🙏So HAPPY TRAILS 🏆
Thanks for sharing
Very interesting video. Jeff, and thank you so much for sharing. I have a few collections of autographs from people. My favorite one is Paul LeMatt from American Graffiti.
This, unfortunately is not anything unusual Jeff. Some celebrities hire whole teams of people who just sit there til they get it right. This you can imagine has happened throughout the decades!
Very very common in the 1960s for television actors too. I have photos of Dick van Dyke and Andy Griffith that my elder sibs wrote off for at the time (early 60s) and have figured out they’re not authentic. The studios had staff for this purpose.
Unless you personally witnessed the autograph being signed, the possibility of a forged signature is a reality. I worked in the office of a well known firearms training school, where the owner required us to practice making his signature on all welcome letters going out to new members. Because we had tens of thousands of members, hundreds arriving every day; it would have been physically impossible for the owner to have signed each letter personally. It felt unethical; but people really bought into it, to the point of buying memberships worth thousands of dollars. It was just business!
Great video!😀
Years ago a friend of mine was asking for an autograph from a specific actor who was actually charging for it. After he got the autograph, he made the actor sign a receipt showing he paid for it. Two autographs for the price of one.
Most famous folks who give or sell autographs have someone else sign them, or even a machine that signs them. You always feel a bit cheated when you get one of the machine signed photos, the best thing is to have the person sign it when you are watching them, like a book signing event.
And he was a Mason. Great video Jeff!
Know my Roy Roger's and Dale Evans autographs are real. I was there when they signed.
Well that's a guarantee then! Happy to know you have the real deal!
Wow very good information 😊thank you ❤❤❤
So nice of you! Thanks!
Thanks again for sharing, Jeff is the secretary still alive
No she isn’t.
Although my late Auntie Gloria, the film/TV actress, was known as a "scream queen" for the quartet of horror films in which she appeared in, she should've been primarily been renowned regarding the numerous Western-based genre works that she did. And there's no exception here being that she had a role in an episode of "The Roy Rogers Show" seventy yrs back entitled "Land Swindle".
His former residence located in Chatsworth is a couple of miles from my apt and I drive close by to it when visiting Oakwood Memorial Park. (There's the streetnames of Trigger St, Trigger Pl and Dale Ct in the neighborhood. And both of his parents are interred @ OMP there.) I've also seen the gravesites of his first wife and three of his children over @ FLG.
I'm certainly pleased that I wasn't a major fan or raised during that era and then requesting a signature only then later to discover that it was bogus; I'd be absolutely infuriated!
What a huge let down for you, (and all of his other fans). I wish I'd been into getting autographs when I was growing up in L.A. I would have had some great ones. Thank's for the video...
Well, maybe flip the script and make the infamous secretary signatures a collectible! 😊
Hi jeff, You have very nice items from the stars in your collection, so cool, pretty bad tho how is secretary signed roys name like that. him on his horse when trigger would rear back that was pretty high up, but he trusted trigger guess he practiced a lot with trigger. but a very unique pair they were will never be another for sure. I enjoyed seeing your books with roys signature. Thankyou for the interesting info about roy. I enjoyed this.
I'm going to examine my last 30 years of signatures, if one is different, I'm going to have to question my legitimacy.
I've met several celebrities in businesses and their signatures on checks and old school credit card slips is often not their "autograph."
Well, that sucks! It is like a gift it is the thought that counts. Happy trails to ALL stay safe thank you
My late Grandfather raised around Roy Rogers In Ohio. Roy was 19 year old my Grandfather was 9 year old.
When I lived in Apple Valley, the museum was still in Victorville and the annual Christmas Festival was still being held. They were all about branding and marketing. Both of them had already passed away.
Once in the Ralph's grocery store, the checker told the people in line that Dale Evans would come in and cut in line, she would say, "I am Dale Evans..." So your story is not far off from the sense of entitlement.
Happy TRAILS..Jeff. SARAH..Thanks 😊
Thank you too!
Jeff, I started autograph collecting in the late 90s, mostly through the mail too, in the 2000s I discovered some celebs didn't actually sign, but someone signed for them was hard, I actually sold all the fakes cheap at a flea market. I so have some really nice originals too 😊
I noticed in the letter back to you mentions "Mrs. Rogers".
That is really sad about all the autographs you obtained only to find out they were fake. But I have to say you are a very talented artist.
Thanks Barbara!
The only way to guarantee that a signature is authentic is to get whatever you want signed in person.
Interesting. I’m thinking that this happens more frequently than we realize.
I'm sure that it does! But for Roy to do it really was a disappointment!
Unfortunately, that's a common practice. Even with sports figures. A lot of them are so good, it does even fool the experts. I'm not an autograph collector, but I do have some signatures from celebrities. The ones I have were signed in front of me. It means more to me to have my picture taken with them. Better than a signature, I think.
This video is very informative Jeff , but I'm sure it's disappointing to you , but either way Thank YOU FRANK FROM MONTANA.....
Thanks for watching!
That was common back then, later they had autograph machines that you would program your autograph into and it would sign anything perfectly. Some athletes used them.
Most actors did not have those Autopen machines because they were expensive. I guess it was cheaper to have a secretary do the duty deed.
Did the signature on his grave match his real signature. Just curious, thanks Jeff you did a good job
Everyone's in it for a buck. Jesus Christ probably signed sandals for a small fee, Jeff.
Jeff... It is so disappointing to learn that movie stars have someone else sign autographs. The big thing now that really annoys me is these conventions that has been stars attend. From what I understand there is an entrance fee. Then you have to pay the star to autograph something. There is an additional fee to have a picture taken with them.
Wow that is disappointing, I know how much you enjoy collecting and to find that out is very disappointing. But you have a lot of great one's and if it will help I'll send you mine 🤣 thanks for sharing always enjoy your signature series. Happy trails!
Aaah, I feel sorry for you about the signatures…😢 It almost feels if you got scammed. I am sure if someone asked you for your signature you would always sign it yourself! 👍🏻
very good. !!!!
Thank you! Cheers!
That's a bummer. I would at least sign it when I had the time even if it took weeks.
Thank you, Jeff. Roy's autobiography is a great read. Take good care. Have you been to the Ozzie, Harriet, and Ricky Nelsons graves at Forest Lawn - Hollywood Hills Cemetery in Los Angeles, California? When his elder son David died in 2011, he was cremated, having chosen a niche in Westwood Memorial Park's outdoor Garden of Serenity columbarium rather than interment in the Nelson family plot. I wonder why they are in different locations? All the very best to you and yours!!!
Wow! How sad. But I agree with you if a celebrity doesn't want to autograph then they should not have someone else do it.
I only have two autographs, one from Pat Morita and William Fransanito. I was present both times. Great share.
Hello Jeff, certainly very disappointing when this type of thing happens. Just feels like a con. I get the fact celebrities cannot sign everything, so just say so. Anyway, life moves on. Thank you for educating everyone Jeff.
Ive just discovered your channel and im currently working my way through all your videos. I absolutely love your work, info, research, and presentation. Greetings from Glasgow, Scotland.
Welcome aboard! Love it when we have new fans across the massive ocean that separates us! Glad to have you find History Hunters!
If it was me being famous, i should try not to let it out of control. I would only set autographs in public and not by request through mail. I can understand Rogers a bit.
But do you understand why I think they should not sign instead of "fool" people with secretarial autographs?
@@jbenziggy Ofcourse i do. That is what Rogers has done wrong perhaps by being greedy. But even celebrities are human beings. Who is without sin.............😉
my golden idol tarnished!!!!
I understand how it is disappointing to not have the real signature. I've been watching a lot of Roy Rogers videos this last week, and was thinking it would be interesting if you could go to some of the places his movies were filmed in. I don't know if you want to do that at the moment though, considering your disappointment in not getting the real signatures.
All famous and very popular celebrites either have their secretaries sign their name or they use an electronic signature. They are too busy and get too many requests fir autographs to do them them selves.
Be careful History Hunter, RR comes very close to being a God to us.
I'm sorry that was the case. Generally he was wonderful to his fans at the museum. Much better than most celebrities today. I could send you an autographed photo of ME. My secretary won't sign it as I don't have a secretary. I've never signed a photo of me before so you would have one of the most exclusive signed photos INTHE WORLD.
My brother has an authentic signature (paw print) from the wolf who played Two Socks in Dances with Wolves. He (my brother, not the wolf) knows a woman who has trained many animals for films.
Sucks being bamboozled like that👎🏼. I've seen that on Pawn Stars, when a signature is authenticated, and it's not legit. I mean, it's a celebrity's option, I guess. But, fraudulent for the fans, a major bummer.
Sad that Roy Rogers would do a thing like this.