VRAGE3: Voxel Editing
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
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We are working on many improvements to our voxel hand tool. The tool is used in creative mode to adjust the landscape (planets or asteroids) to suit the player’s needs. Our goal is to improve the user experience and add requested features.
The main issue with the user experience is spatial orientation. It’s hard to tell where the voxel hand gizmo actually is. To fix this, we’ve improved voxel hand visibility and shading, highlighted the intersection with the ground via a depth shader when the gizmo is partially submerged, and added marks with decals denoting the closest terrain position in each axis.
We have also improved the "snap to voxel" feature, which keeps the gizmo partially submerged no matter how far it is from the player (within a certain maximum distance, of course). The feature can be turned off at any time to regain full control of the gizmo’s distance from the player.
In addition to standard features like adding and removing voxels, we’ve added material painting without changing topology, a reset to the original voxel topology, and the ability to pick materials.
I believe this will provide a much better user experience. I can’t wait to get it into your hands and see what amazing creations it helps bring to life.
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I dream that some day I'll be able to dump all that gravel I've accumulated into repairing terrain.
your not alone.
Absolutely! Repairing terrain with voxel in survival should be a thing in SE
We need this so much
I used the Cement Tool Mod
That would be cool, but let me remind you that reactor components exist
Incredible. The ability to reset the area to the original voxel topography is a great upgrade!
I believe something like that already exists with voxel hands, although it is not perfectly reliable. Shift+Leftclick if I am not mistaken
Yup, I'm still yet to make it work for me, but I've been assured by people who know SE a lot better than I do that it can indeed work (my vague memory was that I saw Digi talking about it maybe?).
The snap to voxel rather than free floating is new though and it could be very useful. It *should* make doing things like paths or roads more feasible
@@Splitsieim pretty sure we already had a snap to grid ?
Snap to a global grid yes, snap to voxel surface, no. Snapping to voxel surface should make smoothing much easier
Reset area is HUGE, hell yeah keen
..what's the new speed limit?
@@IvanTreidc… itll be modded anyway
this small line where the voxel tool intersect the voxel doesn't seem much at first, but it would help sooo much to the precision when using the tool.
Would be nice if there was a way to set "Smoothness" of voxels consistently, such as for smooth roadways, so there wasn't lots of little bumps.
Something like a noise slider that makes extra bits poke out of the geometry of the paint tool would be a cool addition.
Map design tools usually call it a smooth brush. Would be cool really. Horrible to see wheels bounce like hell 😆
@@skrya1248 So like a brush that only effects the noise or smoothness of the voxel, and doesn't add voxels?
I feel like it's based off the material itself. It should likely provide some map the engine uses to create the extra geometry detail.
If you provide a flat/near-flat map to that, it would be pretty flat. If they make voxel editing part of the game beyond mining, I imagine there would be plenty of mostly-flat materials, like concrete.
@@jurjen909 That's a neat idea. Yeah like in some scenarios I'd probably want to have a smoothness as part of the material I'm placing. In other cases when it's just different kinds of rock lets say, having a noise/smoothness brush that doesn't add or remove voxels and applies across materials could be really neat.
For the purposes of market viability: know that I would pay $60 for a space engineers type game with VRAGE3
In a heartbeat, yes. Would not even have to think about it..
That's last decade's pricing, son. Now you're paying $80.
@@Triffgits If Keen would kickstart SE2 (I have no doubt this will not come to the current SE code base"), I'd back for much more than that without question. If they manage to pack this with private servers which can easily handle 100s of players, probably even more still.
@Triffgits these devs deserve it. I'd pay for a 100 dollar standard edition because I want this company to do well.
Me too but only if they need the money for development 😅
that one single voxel of stone you can't get with the hand drill
jokes aside, hope vrage 3 lets us build BIGGER
Ability to reset area is cool. Idea: It would be very handy for scenario creators that modification marker could align to gravity and could smooth out areas (roads). Option to add creators prefabricated shapes as a modification marker (meteor crater, mountain etc.)
Aligning to gravity would be so useful.
I frequently try to make airport runways to land on, but making a smooth surface that matches the curvature of the planet is quite challenging.
If there was a road tool that had a trapezoid profile so that the edges of the road would smoothly transition into bumpy terrain, it would be so much easier to make nice road networks.
Please give us a way to snap rotate the selection shapes, in increments of like 15, 30 or 45 °
That is a really good idea. And not just those angles either.
Since we will have fluid simulations in the game... would it be possible to simulate a concrete mortar that turns into voxels after a period of time? I think that would be nuts.
i think the fluids will be voxel by itself, if you can check the "fluid moviment" it could work i hope that voxels start to work like walls and trap the air inside imagine loading a ship with water an trowing at the enemy
Reset Voxel will be such a useful feature!
1:30 AW HELL YEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Voxel picker, Reset area, and snapping to voxels is gonna be huge and im excited to see this happen either in the current space engineers or SE2
There is no SE 2. Most you can ever hope for is a port of space engineers to VR3. But that probably won't happen either.
@@kahvozeinsfang6953that’s good honestly; I want a port to VRAGE3 because of all of the mods and builds and worlds I have.
@@kahvozeinsfang6953 yeah they are just dumping money into a new engine that is a direct upgrade to the space engineers engine and IS ONLY used for space engineers just "cuz" - .VRAGE is an "in house" game engine and is not used by anyone else. It is obvious that there will be a SE 2 there is so much DLC out for SE1 It doesnt make financial sense for them to do a port on SE 1 and would most likely break everyone's saves which would upset the community like how CSGO was directly upgraded and broke all custom maps. they would need to release a new title to recoup the costs of development on VR3 then more DLC to support the ongoing support of the game.
@@kahvozeinsfang6953 lol doomer
We Rage! Because we cant play it already :D. Incredible work KSH!!!!
pls be mid spec friendly ....
Reset Area! Hell yeah!
Vrage3, building better worlds.
A way to place voxels in survival would be great, could just use stone as a required resource to do it
Cement Tool Mod?
@@johndee2990 Yeah I've seen it, was more wondering if they could add it as a vanilla feature
@@cookiedudegaming That, Deadly Reentry and Orbits - they already have water showcased.
It's getting more exciting.
I like the reset area tool, otherwise everything else looks very familiar
How is it possible that the video was uploaded 3 minutes ago, but there are comments from 12-13 days ago???
it might have been unlisted or something? idk its weird
Unlisted after original upload. Use your head dumdum
Let me guess, none of you three have subscribed to the KSH newsletter.
I guess you would have seen this twelve days ago if you had been.
@@kahvozeinsfang6953 this
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Neat. Could you also look into realizing moving celestial bodies and orbits into vrage 3 or is it not possible with voxel based terrain?
I'm no Dev, so what I'm gonna say could be completely wrong.
So, with that said, I would imagine that not only simulating all those voxels data, adding to that the kind of physics simulation that would be necessary for orbiting bodies would be extremely difficult. They could however fake it or maybe it's not as hard as I assume it is. Or maybe it is, they just have the skills and talent necessary to get it done. Idk.
Here's to hoping they can.
I've always assumed it was related to the physics tick rate, with physics updates happening every 1/60th of a second, which is what necessitates the 100m/s speed limit to ensure collisions are as reliable as they can be. If your ship can only go 100m/s how will you ever catch that planet or moon that are orbiting their star/planet at 10-1000 times as fast?
I'm sure there are solutions out there that could work, but I've never seen anything from keen to suggest that this is something they're remotely considering
There are a few options that can happen
1. They can do some tricks to give the illusion that the planets are moving
2. They could have the planets stay in place, but have them "spinning" would give the illusion the planets are moving but slow. again, it would be done with some tricks.
@@Splitsie Yo buddy jedmunz here, on the moving planets thing.
We in real life can't move as fast as the planets so have to time when to go to Mars, for example. We have to be in a position in front where it essentially collides with our spacecraft. We get caught in the gravity and it pulls us in, hopefully in a controlled manner. (extremly basic description)
Space engineers could do that as well I suppose, but it would mean the solar systems being much, much bigger to work.
I guess to time things right we'd have to get there for the first time and leave an antenna/relay type station to allow our jump drives to gut us to the right place? Maybe something like that.
I think it's quite unlikely though, things would have to scale up too much for good gamplay. Be nice though.
@@Splitsie Yeah, sounds reasonable. Btw, how's Crashpac treating ya?
Material picker is gonna be very convinient
So fragile lava tubes survived planetary cataclysm. What will space engineers think of next? Engineering, maybe?
You can engineer your way out of problems in this game, or you can tell strangers online that you didn't know that.
Example: using leverage to flip a crashed river/ship right side up.
A great feature to add here would be auto deletion of “floating” voxels, so that we don’t ruin our ships by ramming into a tiny blob of voxels left over by removing terrain, maybe a brush that itself only removes floating voxels, so if we wanted to create islands for example, we could still do it
Space Engineers 2 is going to be so good
Please make reset in survival mode too with gravel or something. Underground bases need it. Mistakes drilling are common.
can you add particle effects to the removal of voxel? like steam or sparks and debris, mainly for impacts. be cool too come across a hole that has a low glow and steam and you can wonder what it was
Space Engineers 2 WHEN ?
Playable tech demos when? 😅
So hyped for this love the updates yall are pushing out with Vrage 3
I cannot wait until this engine is released to the public, it looks absolutely incredible
have they fixed the issue where the voxels eat memory remembering every little change?
Keen please allow us to build spaceships by this method!
Impressive. Can we get this as a tool for the normal survival? I mean like built into the game as a block you can put on a ship or something? Not a problem if it's not feasable, just a voxel hand would take me out of the game a bit. (I know it was meant for creative) just wondering if there would be a way to make this for survival.
There needs to be one for survival
Aperture science ahh beat
now we just need all the blocks form SE and then it can woooooo
Finaly all the holes in my front yard can be patched
Please allow us to snap to gravity for aligning voxels.
When building long roads it's extremely difficult to make a smooth road that matches the curvature of the planet. Having a way to snap to planet gravity curve would make the smoothing tool much more useful.
Agree, this is really needed feature, hope Keen will see u comment and gonna do something about it, im currently making Wasteland desert map with lots of roads and i can tell this is a must have feature, most of the time i use creative mode and i feel that something is missing....gravity aligning voxel that is.
awesome job well done
The possibilities will literally be endless ❤
YES YES MORE PLEASE!!!
new space balls update looks good
The voxels appear to be much smaller and more tightly packed than in the original space engineers... While the voxel engine is looking great, howabout the phyisics aspect? Can we still expect random acts of klang causing ships connected via pistons/connectors to get yeeted into the great beyond while transfering cargo? Or will you need to put a subgrid on a subgrid on a subgrid via multiple levels of piston/rotor/hinge for that level of yeet? And will we ever get an angled triangular armor panel like the 1x1x1 angled window?
They aint done yet dang-it!
Let 'em cook!
@@MaddJakd I've seen what Jan's been working on with regards to the Vrage3 engine, the physics ARE much more stable, and the voxels have definitely come a long way, but this level of voxelization appears about 30% tighter than what he's shown off previously. Can't help but wonder if they've done even better with the subgrid stability.
Dang that is so smooth!
far more precise, I approve
So did you guys come up with a way to make voxel edits not skyrocket the map file size so badly?
More importantly did you look at similar games (elite dangerous, star citizen, eve, etc) to address the 'theres nothing to do' problem that prevented SE1 from being competitive with those games? If you haven't done that then the sequel is just going to be the same game with better visuals. People will still buy it because we love space lego but it will fall short of its potential.
This looks really impressive
As a server administrator, I would like to see how the client-server synchronization is going and if it is optimizing and being able to use the full power of the CPU. If you can show a video I would appreciate it
Will this engine have relative gravity where if a bunch of mass is in an area it naturally pulls objects relative to its weight?
Like if you spawn 1000 clang colas in, will they super slowly be pulled together until they form a sphere? Feel like this is a bit much for a computer tho, so is there feature similar to the one I described that is perhaps based on grids that have power sources to confine it to ships, drones, bases, etc?
I am really curious about how the performance will be with big terrain deformation on servers. We all know how mich it lags once bigger mining operations run on SE servers.
The X-Y-Z Spotlights on the Voxel Tool looks really nice!
Makes it so easy to know where exactly you are in 3D Space.
The Reset Tool & the Voxel Material Picker will be incredibly useful. It be such as save to be able to use them. My only wish is that they now put in a tool in to control the gradient of surfaces so roads can be made easier.
Cant wait to play Roman Engineers in space guys. Vitruvius would be so proud.
Wait, what?
😀
I do hope we’ll get tools similar to Astroneer for flattening or extending flat sections of terrain. As it stands it’s basically impossible to “flatten” an area for a road, landing pad, etc.
please make the next SE game linux-native
please
if there's one of me who wants it, then there are thousands others who are sick of steam proton trying and failing to run a stable version of this game
Moving asteroids, moveable asteroids, the ability to dump gravel and ore to make mounds.
Quality is awesome.
Ohhh? Does this also mean that SE will see the return of continuous drills like how they used to be way back when?
im assuming to be able to reset terrain it has to be stored somewhere, wont that cause large amounts of data and potentially lag when larger amounts of voxels are dug out. for example when using a drill or something alike
plz if you implement this better than novaquark.... hhmmmm shut up and take my money
I love the reset area one and the picker. will be useful for fixing mistakes when editing terrain
WOW ! and, When ???
ı am gonna buy rtx 5080 for Space engineers 2. I am waiting mannn.
This looks good, just don't forget to add actual gameplay this time
can we PLEASE get smooth, flatten and erode brushes
Reset will be very helpful when I make my happy little Island surrounded by the new water
Vrage 3 here we come
Cool. But didn't we already have this pretty much?
Precisa melhorar essa forma de criar voxel, é péssimo de criar um túnel, ou até mesmo fazer uma terra planagem. E seria incrível poder fazer isso no modo normal de jogo
Pretty cool tbh.
Reset is GREAT! Just WOW! Getting closer...
oh holy shit
Thats cool and all but when do we get the Factorum Update?
when he started painting rocks into existence, i felt that
Really nice 👍
I want to see cubes placed at different angles
Will we be able to have moving asteroids?
Great work guys, cant wait to see SE2
What about a smoothing or flattening tool?
isnt voxel hand already a thing....
So if we get this in the default space engineers will we be able to keep our current space ships or do we need to make new ones for the new physics engine ?
This is an entirely new engine.
Its not going into the game we have, as they said in one of them presentations.
The new soundtrack is lit 👌
One step closer to movable voxels
what if destroyed materials could transform into an equal voxel mass of the material
everybody ready for the TTD?
what has changed?
The Bean has returned!
Reset! Yesss!! Finally!
Does anyone know what VRAGE3 is going to be used for?
This should've been in the game ages ago.
Old engine says nah
How long for the update to come out?
Nice Music 😊
SE1 or SE2 ??
Looks so good
sdk when
BEAN
Neat
I only ever really used that tool once, because it was annoying to use
My only concern is I avoid manipulating voxels as much as possible because the save file becomes enormous.
Entirely different engine.
No guarantee that's gonna carry ober.
Not that storage costs a kidney like it used to
Frames/PC Specs? Just want to remind you and not do a KSP2 or a Cities-Skylines 2 :)