The Dean Flying V is Free...For now
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- The Dean guitars got the Flying V lawsuit thrown out and a retrial is on the books. The boys discuss how that could impact the guitar making community and especially the boutique builders. Whats next for the Gibson Vs Dean Guitars saga.
Congratulations Dean! Now it's time for Martin to sue Gibson over the dreadnot.
The Dimarzio legal issues regarding cream hunbuckers was my favorite
i'm a huge Gibson fan, but I think it's lame they offer so few options on production run Vs and Explorers. If they aren't going to give us cool finishes or trems,pickups, etc. they should let others fill that void.
1981 Dean V flame here. Over the years it just keeps getting better. Much thanks to Andy Wood keeping it playing like glass.
I'm with Sean, the headstock should be the signature and the rest could be a copy of whatever because how many shapes can you have that make sense? Best from Montreal, Canada
If it gets to the "supreme" court, the case will not be decided on any merits. Rather, it will be decided by who pays the biggest bribe.
Since most of my playing is done sitting on my couch, I feel the need, the need for a V.
Road to 100K! Go fellows.
The Strat body shape, that ship has sailed. The Les Paul body shape, the cat's out of the box. I think Gibson is grasping at straws with the Flying V. That's all the analogies I can think of right now. AFA headstocks, apparently many brands come close w/o infringing. Summation: Free the V!
I have to side with Gibson on this one. They went through the creative process and cost in the late 50's creating the "V" and the humiliation when it flopped. They stayed with it all these years and now that the vintage ones are selling so high, Dean wants to cash in. If they want to use the design, pay a fee to Gibson or design their own guitars. Love the videos.
"This guy made a car, so no one else can make cars" is frighteningly close to how patents are used these days.
I had an epiphany korina v for awhile. I really liked it as I usually play in the classical position, it just didn't get used enough to justify keeping it. every time one pops up on marketplace, I give it a good hard look! I'm sure I'll have another v someday...
"First and foremost." Baxter's smile @ 10:08 🤣
Les Paul Melody Maker Anniversary Flying V only Gibson I own (though I have a couple cool Epi's) because I really wanted a real Flying V. Sean's PIL reference a big Wow (cuz I'm that old) : )
I see both sides on this. But overall glad to see the sampler company prevail
I totally respect players that love flying vs and actually play them a lot. I had a Jackson V a few years back, and I hated it. I could never mesh with the body shape.
I had to get an acoustic V years ago. Playing seated isn't so bad if you have it mostly upright and the hollow of the vee is sitting on your thigh. Even though I've never seen Jack Black with an acoustic V, it always gives me Tenacious D vibes when I pick it up.
That sounds awesome
Huge PIL fan! Great video! Get their album "Album" which features Steve Vai
I have a set of rare Dean/DiMarzio pickups. USA made DiMarzio for the 1st 200 Dean Soltero's.
I love my Flying V.
Dan Erlewine made me an Albert King Lucy, right handed though!
I struggle with this over guitars like how music is copywrited. There is only so many shapes, just like chord progressions
Cool news, I love the Flying V.
If you never have seen a Armadillo escape, they hop like Rabbits,
…and Shawn. He sounds just as disappointed as we are that he is not John. 😂😂😂 Kidding!! Well done guys.
I think the body shape is so universal now its hard to argue who owns what anymore..we should know if it's a Gibson or dean by the headstock and I believe most people feel that way. Regardless and Dean flying V and a Gibson flying V are 2 different beasts. As long as the manufactures do not blatantly steal from another company's logo to profit. If it says chibson...I know it's not a Gibson. If it says Dean..then it's a Dean. I'm good with both for very different reasons. I'm going to buy what I want for my needs as a guitarist. Stop with the lawsuits unless the company is trying to say they are you and profiting from it.
I have a Gibson Explorer and a Gibson Flying V, and on several occasion, people referred them to a brand all right: ...KISS.
I just sold my Gibson V. Ill get another someday. The one i sold wasnt that great. The Black Beauty Custom V will be the ticket. I never cared about the lawsuit crap.
Pick up a ESP E-II arrow. They are amazing, made in Japan.
@phillippitts6294 I'd rather have the Custom V. Just bought a Silver Sparkle Gibson Les Paul Custom and it's honestly blowing my mind.
John Mayer.. there, I said it for you
The LesPaul attorney on the thumbnail pic looks like Joe Bonamassa!
@Casino Guitars Question Guys: Who owns the "Snake Head" shape/design of headstocks if anyone?
yay! we can all have V's now
The PRS Starla is a straight up design copy of a Vigier GV.
cool guitar
Wow🎉.
The dean is free❤
I say we compromise, and let Gibson have the Reverse Flying V exclusively. 😁
i say we compromise, we will give you half, of nothing
I play V's but i prefer the Sir Randy Rhodes style...
For now. I love VEEs, but I’m not kool enough to play one. The RR Jackson VEE is the best. Have you seen the mirror finish?
Vs are not that hard to play sitting down. Just play in the classical style with one wing between your legs.
To v or not to v that’s is the question ?
Dean made their V's by taking apart the originals. when Gibson re-introduced them they didn't even have their own blueprints . When they moved to Nashville they took financial records but those that were told to move the files were told to literally burn everything else. Gibson literally had to get Dean to visit them and show them how to make their own guitar. Hey! You can't make this sh@t up!!!
I had a chat with a group of the guys involved in early prototypes and research at a NAMM in I believe was 83 or thereabouts. One guy grabbed and kept the 'Dailys' and kept them. These were hand written notes on company letterhead paper. It was about 4 or more inches thick. Full of research on woods, shapes, you name it. I borrowed it overnight. WOW!!! The research on the Explorer and V on if it would destroy the tone by it's large size was really revealing. The simple answer is no. But the reasons why changes everything.
Dean V's were copies of Ibanez V's, which were copies of Gibson V's.
"The reasons why change everything'
Way to sound like a movie. What are the reasons that changed anything?
In the craft business anything made of wood can be copied......if it is made from metal or has metal on it that was copied from another craftsman or company then you have a case...... where's the lawyers knowledge? they can make dean not be able to copy the metal pieces on the guitar, like that v shaped metal piece behind the bridge
This really is an armadillo's nest...
Baxter I don’t think the V has ever been free or ever will be
Nah. Body shapes should be IP as well. There are still enough new shapes coming out, even if it is slight modifications. Straight up copies are lazy. That being said many a nice guitar have been ruined by a terrible headstock.
Is it that hard to make a new shape? Im never buying a Dean (please forgove me Dimebag)
It’s a lot easier if you come up with your own designs and ideas. It’s pretty easy to tweak things so it isn’t a complete design rip off. Like we all do with our music. ESP figured it out ages ago.
I think the Strat body already set the legal standard. There's just too much copy cat in general in the Guitar industry IMHO for Gibson to arbitrarily be laying a line in the sand over the Flying V.
My issue is.. I guess you can't really own a rudimentary shape. I mean... Bread.. Everybody makes a loaf of bread that looks like a loaf of bread. Could bread makers decree.. The shape of a slice of bread is copyrighted?
The headstock is very different. And the vibe of the guitar is different. Dean.. is setting up a shredder, metal leaning instrument. Gibsons take on it.. IMHO is a blues machine. They're very different instruments. Just like the Silver Sky which is obviously a strat is it's own thing.
Only pointy v's matter this is known.
if someone says v guitar and you don't think of a R.R there is a problem with your brain , I am worried about you please see a neurologist.
Congrats dean now make your slogan "How authentic?" esp could be "unbridled authenticity" fender would be "the Authentic-ist"
Martin would be "authentic before there was authentic" prs "Pretentiously authentic" Ibanez "authentic prestige" Schecter would be "Hella Authentic"
My new catch phrase is "Lay down a towel it's about to get authentic in here"
The Flying V has been made by literally every guitar manufacturer. It’s as generic as the tele body these days.
The V isn’t a big seller. Why die on that hill. Why not start charging licensing for Les Paul makers.
Gibson already lost in Europe and other countries.
Just my opinion if you’re going to maintain copyright ownership you have to defend it within a reasonable timeframe to be considered seriously? Decades of Dean and others making same or very similar bodies. Why just Dean? Why decades into the infringement? Headstocks are definitely different and represent Dean. The V is just a letter of the alphabet afterall. That fell over after finding speed in an amplifier 😂
when I sneeze I'm reaching for what? A Kleenex... yes, once it was a true brand name, but today it's a generic term for a facial tissue. It's the same with the V shaped guitars. With all the things Gibson could choose to emphasize about their V ( the heritage, the originality of it, the quality, the bazillion famous players who use their V's ) it makes little sense to me why they are pursuing legalities.
Who buys a Dean V and later says DAMN! i was tricked?! iirc, this brings me to the 1st vid from Casino i watched... caught my attentention "Gibson Steps on Their Own D**K (Play Authentic)" Lawyers gettin paid regardless...who payin' them?
PiL !!
I can buy a 4k guitar today that still isn’t as impressive as my $900 Dean I bought in 2003
A Dean Flying V...? I would never...! lol Rock on!
Looking at the entire guitar, I don’t think any player is going to mistake a Dean V for a Gibson V. I don’t know anyone who sees a V and says “Hey, nice Gibson V” or “Hey, nice Dean V.” Everyone just says “nice V.” Where does this all stop? Does this mean that because I have a dad bod that no other guy can have a dad bod too? 😁 I am a firm believer that headstock shapes are proprietary and copying those is fraud but I give a lot of leeway with body shapes. Of course I’m not Gibson so have a different opinion from them.
Why do you firmly believe head stock shapes can be patented but not the body shape? What's the difference?
@@216trixieGibson took too long to make the case. 60 years?
What about the body shape of violins, grand pianos, mandolins etc.?@216trixie
@@johnwashburn3793 those shapes have existed and stay in that form for hundreds of years now. Mandolins, violins, pianos. 99% are the same shape and have been for a long time.
Guitars are newer instrument, and are being produced in a lot of shapes. There's nothing traditional about a Stratocaster body shape it was brand new. Radical. They should have patented it. But they missed out.
That Ai generated thumbnail art 🤢🤮
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Maybe it's me, but the Flying V seems more like an on stage prop than a real guitar.
Gibson is silly .
I own a Dean V and an ESP V. WHy anyone would buy that crap Gibson puts out is beyond me.
Gibson is just pathetic