Tom Bombadil 😊 is the wild and free spirit of nature. He is the embodiment of everything that lives without voice or understanding in nature. Tolkien I think talked about how after WWI that he was amazed at how much beauty still existed after so much evil and loss. He found solace in home, the country and nature that exists in spite of human atrocities. No surprise he wouldn’t care about the ring. Tom doesn’t need dominion. He is the very spirit of the domain❤.
@@markstaten8402if i had to guess it’s because he’s too vague of a character who was only shortly present. Guessing the budget or something didn’t quite allow for it.
Tolkien was a Christian, Tom is the embodiment of a part of the holy trinity. Look into Tolkien’s life and it’ll illuminate what he’s actually portraying. Sauron is literally the Anti-Christ underneath Morgoth (Satan/Lucifer) command.
Of the elves, Tolkien wrote explicitly many times that Feanor and Galadriel were THE GREATEST of the Eldar. Period. They were “equals in power,”though different in their “endowments.” Both were mighty in magical Arts, though Feanor’s warrior nature came to the fore after leaving Valinor. It’s worth noting that Tolkien described Galadriel as “the match for any athlete or loremaster” in Valinor, which means she was as terrifying a warrior as the greatest male elves, even though her practice of magic came to the fore after *she* left Valinor with her own ambitions. Yet neither of them could have defeated Sauron in single combat if he possessed his Ring. Tolkien did indicate that Galadriel’s magic had some advantages over Sauron’s without his Ring: her power to know his mind while shielding hers from Sauron; her ability to drive the black mist of Sauron back up the hillsides to Dol Guldur with her own mystical mist, her ability to strive in thought regularly with Sauron between Lorien and Mordor at a time when even Gandalf (in Gray mode) dared not strive with Sauron in thought, etc. The greatest elves, like Fingolfin or Feanor or Galadriel or Elrond could and did thwart the weakened Sauron, but never Sauron at or near his full strength. The same applies to Gandalf, whose very presence frightened Sauron away from Dol Guldur when Sauron was still but a shadow reforming, and Gandalf was first investigating the “abandoned” fortress. There is some indication that Bombadil possessed power that could not be dominated by Sauron, but his power was tied to the remnants of his forest and, at the Council of Elrond, it was stated that Sauron would systematically destroy the forest and crush Bombadil in the process. It seems that only Melian the Maia was of a higher order than Sauron, for Tolkien notes that Morgoth himself “feared” Melian. Her half-maiar daughter, Luthien, triumphed in a battle with Sauron, but this was before his ring had been crafted and she was assisted by Huan, the Hound of Valinor, who appears to have been a maiar spirit himself, possibly. Sauron’s submission before the King of Numenor was a ploy-he could not defeat the Numenorean legions, but he *was* able to gain control over the king, personally, and bring ruin upon Numenor (and himself). Manwe’s herald, Eonwe, appears to have been a maia spirit mightier than Sauron, for Sauron groveled for mercy before him after Morgoth’s final defeat. Otherwise, no beings in Middle Earth or who entered Middle Earth were mightier than Morgoth or Sauron, save perhaps the bloated Ungoliant. Even the greatest dragons were subject to their maker, Morgoth. The nearest Tolkien alludes to any beings of Middle Earth defeating Sauron is his remark that Gandalf, Galadriel, and Elrond *possibly* could have supplanted him, but only by wielding the one Ring, and only by amassing great armies, as Sauron did. They would conquer him in that way and become evil overlords themselves. Tolkien even doubted Gandalf could defeat Sauron face to face if Gandalf wielded the one Ring. I do also believe that Aragorn, being of Numenorean blood, would also have been included in that short list of persons capable of surmounting Sauron IF he had succumbed to the Ring’s temptation. It’s key to remember that the only persons directly offered the Ring by Frodo were Gandalf and Galadriel and possibly Aragorn, and all needed every strength of their great will and wisdom to refuse it. Sauron likewise inherited much of the old power of Morgoth because of the evil that Morgoth had embedded in Middle Earth forever in the form of gold … from which Sauron crafted his Precious. Tolkien said that the creation of Middle Earth, while good and noble, was forever tainted by Morgoth’s “ring”. There was also an implication that, while Morgoth was nevertheless exiled to the Void, he still influenced Sauron somehow from the “other world”. Creepy. The truly powerful part of the whole story, to me, is that it was the efforts of goodness-on the part of great persons and small persons-that brought little Frodo to the moment of destroying Sauron forever, but even by that point, Frodo was so diminished spiritually by the Ring that lust for it overcame him and he refused, and lust for the ring overwhelmed Gollum, who, in his reckless gloating at having recovered that evil object, made a neglectful, earthly mistake and slipped to his doom and to Sauron’s doom. Basically, Sauron’s own evil destroyed him … with a lot of assistance from creatures of good heart and giftedness. These forces had to get the Fellowship and Frodo and Sam to that moment of truth, in order that evil would destroy itself, at least as far as Sauron’s thrall.
When I saw this video's title, the first two names I tought was Melian and Eonwe. Both missing from the video. Thank you for the great comment, or more precisely great mini-essay!
Huan actually crushed Sauron’s arm bones in his jaws after the hunting dog went all Mech Warrior on his supernatural ass “Somebody Leash This Crazy Mutt!”
Where does the theory that Sauron wasn’t a good fighter even come from? The dude took out Gil Galad and Elendil who were legendary fighters in Middle Earth. He drove back the siege of Barad Dur and was often in combat.
There's a difference between being a good fighter and having a lot of magical power. He was basically mortally wounded by a mere Man despite being not only a maia but likely the most powerful one when he was wearing the Ring of Power. He was used to trickery and deception, he didn't usually fight in battle unless he absolutely had to, and then he heavily relied on his great power to carry him. If he didn't have his magical powers and he was just an elf or Man, he would get chopped up real quick in combat. It's like when a high level character gets killed by a low level character in a video game because the high level character isn't good at the game and the low level character is. The fact that the low level character also dies is irrelevant. The fact that Elendil, not even an elf, killed him and while he was wearing the Ring, no less, cannot be overstated.
You forgot the Maia Ëonwë, banner man and herald of Manwë, who was supposedly the greatest in arms in all Middle-earth, excluding the Valar themselves. Also Glaurung, the Father of Dragons was probably Sauron’s equal, if not better. Also, if Huan was in the list, Carcharoth, the werewolf that slew Huan should also have been on the list.
So he knows the Silmarillion better than Tolkien? If all the Valar are one - how did they sing in harmony during the song of creation? Are Manwe & Melkor one? Aule? Are the Maiar one too? Is Sauron the same as Saruman & Gandalf? Because I don't see it. I assume by entry - you mean entity?
This is a good list, and since Sauron was defeated multiple times over throughout the whole story, it does lend more credence to the fact that he wasn't particularly physically overwhelming. Certainly one of the greatest Maiar, but like you said, his skill lay more in manipulation, fear, and immense cunning. I think he learned his lesson after losing to Huan, and especially later Elendil and Gig-Galad, that he would have to rely on his magic/crafting and mind controlling abilities. He certainly already knew this when he came up with his plan for the rings of power. So yes, I think these mighty Nolder lords and maybe even a few others could've bested him in 1v1 combat (Glorfindel, Maehdros, Hurin?!?). But they'd have to surpass his cunning plans of manipulation first, and his mind-bending magic. Also, just thinking about how this is another awesome layer to Tolkien's work. The big bad guys, even Morgoth after he had spent much of his power infusing it into his minions, and later became much weaker, they weren't one-dimensional action movie bad guys who were super strong necessarily. They were more cunning and manipulative, more like Lex Luthors than, say, Doomsday. More like The Riddler or Joker than Bane. Bad analogies, but I think he's expressing the theme that the problem isn't the big bad guy themselves, but the dark intensions and ideologies they command to amass an army and influence in the world.
@@nathanunitedheilbron5676 He is not Illuvatar. There are many theories who or what Tom Bombadil may be. I think together with Goldberry he represents Adam and Eve from the Bible before they committed a sin. They still behave like children, Tom Bombadil is fatherless and it seems like they live in paradise (Eden).
@@danielpotapczuk2155 I personally like the theory that Tom is Eru Iluvatar come to live in and among his creations. - It makes sense that a trinket ring made by a Maiar, would have no effect on a Valar or Eru. Eru would think Frodo's hand looks much better without the evil ring on it.. etc. Eldest and Fatherless.. it just fits. However, Tolkien actually said that Tom is meant to be an enigma in Letter 144 (April 25, 1954)
Loved the video. Got impressed about the lord of the balrogs and the elf who killed them easily. I have a lot of research about the levels of power in middle earth now! haha thank you, my man.
The noldor in Gondolin were on another level. Ecthelion was the strongest but Glorfindel also killed one and then was reincarnated and appears in the books
Gandalf stated that after the passing of the last of the great dragons -:Smaug the only way to destroy the one ring was casting in the fires of Mount Doom which implies that a great dragon fire would have destroy it Ancalagon was a titan compared to Smaug so...
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 It could be a line from the Pete Jackson movie who had some other errr ....artistic interpretations of the source material but I do remember the books pretty well Another thing which is incorrect in this video is that Sauron didn't escape from Huan by himself but was released by the Orome's hound only after making a deal with Luthien to reveal all secrets of Minas Morgul which Luthien used to find Beren and then to destroy the place.
@@feliperiani6751 You can also say that he soloed them. All 3 died but Sauron didn't stay dead. And this was after he was weakened from dying on Númenor, he was even stronger in the First Age. Any elf that defeated him 1v1 would die in the process. Probably Gothmog too.
@@seanmarshall7403 I don’t remember what it I was but I was quoting someone else saying that because I completely disagree and think Sauron was an excellent fighter and also brave not a coward like morgoth
Guys, lets not turn LotR into Dragon Ball. The way "power" works on Arda is directly related to the nature of each being, which means how close he is, in nature, to Eru. Picking moments where a Ainu is "weak" is ignoring how all Ainur are bounded to Eä's physical limitations and would never manifest their real nature. Sauron is not even a "fighter", like Tulkas, but Tulkas is less powerful than Melkor, Manwë, Aulë and Ulmo... It is not a teenager book.
This is a really good list of beings who could destroy Sauron, it’s refreshing to see someone who knows what they are talking about, especially since ROP has come out you have people who have no idea about the world of Tolkien telling you that you’re wrong…. 🤦🏻♂️
Isildur didn’t defeat Sauron though, Elendil and Gil-Galad did. Isildur merely cut the ring from Sauron’s defeated body with the broken hilt of Narsil.
@@XxBNFootball21xX hmm, but wasn't it his defeat? I mean he cut his finger and took the ring. Sauron didn't take it back. I haven't read Silmarillion, only LOTR and watched movies so I'm not a LOTR nerd in any way but didn't Sauron lose his body after this battle? I think it was his defeat. But anyway, you mentioned two different characters that defeated Sauron so they should be on the list if they are not.
@@mercillesm In the books, Elendil and Gil-Galad are the ones who defeat Sauron in battle, but both die in the process. Isildur just comes to Sauron’s incapacitated body, takes the broken hilt of his father’s sword, cuts the ring from Sauron’s hand and claims it.
I think from this list two other Maiar were forgotten. First there is Eönwë, herald of Manwë, who is described as having no equal in the handling of weapons in all Arda. He was sent by Manwë, with his sword, to overthrew Morgoth. And Sauron did submit to him too. And then there is Melian, described as having no one better than her when it comes to enchantments. Sauron feared her and never tried to cross the Girdle of Melian, which could be forced only by someone (or something) stronger than her.
Thoughts on each rank: Huan- Hard no, e DID beat Sauron in combat but nobody seems to factor in Luthien's key involvement in bringing him down, I'm pretty sure Sauron would have beaten Huan if it was just those two, furthermore, in my head canon (this part isn't to be taken seriously it's just my speculation) but I believe that if Sauron chose a different form that wasn't a werewolf, he would have won and that the prophecy that said Huan would be defeated by only the strongest werewolf did Sauron dirty and it was somewhat self fulfilled when Sauron took on the form of a werewolf and that he couldn't be the greatest werewolf to ever live simply because he was a Maia and not a werewolf. And then of course single combat isn't everything Ancalagon- This one I will agree with, just the beast was Morgoth's finest creation, would have stomped over just about everything if not for Earendil Gothmog- Disagree quite strongly, Gothmog was like the Darth Vader of middle earth I find (at least in the first age) and so was very powerful but his strength was in single combat but even then he wasn't invincible, he struggled quite a lot with Feanor and might have lost if it wasn't for his buddies teaming up on Feanor, even then Feanor's sons rescued his body and then he really struggled against Fingon and once again needed one of his buddies to retrain Fingon while he finished him off, and then of course he was killed by Ecthelion. He struggled with all these elves the same way Sauron struggles with Huan+ Luthien and Gil-galad + Elendil, in single combat so I'm not really sure there is too much difference between the two in single combat, in fact (might be controversial) even if he couldn't beat Gothmog without the ring, it would still be close and he would have a real chance, but with the ring he would definitely win. And then the nail in the coffin is that single combat IS Gothmog's thing while it isn't necessarily Sauron's, for example Sauron could make storms, plagues that could wipe out populations, degrade civilisations using sorcery (I'm thinking of Greenwood becoming Mirkwood), deception and manipulation that destroyed the greatest civilisation of men and then of course his skill in crafting which I doubt Gothmog could really do any of these things. The last reason also goes for others on this list that may beat him in single combat, but is weaker in other disciplines. Ecthelion- Disagree, yeah maybe similar levels in single combat (perhaps advantage to Ecthelion if Sauron does't have the one Ring) but I would say Gil-galad is probably stronger than Ecthelion and Gil-galad required Elendil to beat Sauron and they still both died while Ecthelion needed no such extra help to beat Gothmog who was previously discussed an only did kill him at the cost of his own life and using a very unorthodox method which I doubt Gothmog saw coming Feanor- I think he is more or less around Sauron's strength. probably stronger in single combat but Sauron I think is stronger in other disciplines, this one is tough, there is a case for Feanor but I'll give it to Sauron by virtue of him being a Maia Fingolfin- I agree with this one, definitely would crush Sauron even with the ring in single combat, Sauron is stronger in other disciplines again, but Fingolfin is still strong in those disciplines and his combat ability and leadership I think is enough to be stronger all in all than Sauron Ungoliant- Impossible to disagree Morgoth- also impossible to disagree Tom Bombadil- Perhaps, can't disagree but at the same time, there isn't enough about him to really gauge at his true power but I'll give it a pass Others that could have been included are: Eonwe, Luthien, Melian, Earendil, Turin (Dagor Dagorath version not Children of Hurin version) and Osse
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 I agree with your criticisms. However when it comes to the Silmarillion, it is incomplete and I feel that there are discrepancies between what Tolkien says and what he actually wrote. One of these is for example, Feanor being the strongest child of Iluvatar, which is what he said, but what actually happened seems to suggest that Fingolfin was the greatest and that he said Finwe loved Miriel greatly despite treating her like a dog so I think some of this stuff is debatable. I think Fingolfin would beat Sauron in single combat even with the ring though it would not be easy as I like to base my opinions based on what happens and Fingolfin crippled Morgoth even if it cost him his life. But upon reflection, I do think you're right in that overall, across every discipline, Sauron is greater. Ancalagon also seemed to do far more than Sauron ever hoped to do even though he was said to be Morgoth's mightiest servant Osse I didn;t necessarily say he was more powerful, just that he could be, but Sauron being higher in command doesn't make him stronger, it means that Morgoth trusted him more but this is one is debatable. Indeed I said that Osse could be stronger, but Sauron is likely stronger Luthien would indeed be crushed in combat by Sauron and that did happen in a way but I doubt what Luthien did to subdue not just Morgoth but Mandos as well could be achieved by Sauron if he were that way inclined but once again, I didn't say that she was more powerful, just that she could be . I was under the impression that Morgoth returned to full might in the Dagor Dagorath, I could be wrong on that, please do call me out on it if I am wrong, but he would need to return to his full might surely if he is going up against Tulkas and invading Aman and if Morgoth did return to full strength, I think that would make Turin stronger but again, I could be wrong about the strength of Morgoth Ungoliant, yeah I guess, but she was almost about to eat Morgoth requiring his Balrogs to save him and this was before a lot of his power was lost (although I do understand he was particularly vulnerable at this point), even considering everything, I'm unsure if Sauron could pull off a feat like that Yes I tend to agree with your take on Gothmog, people attack Sauron's single combat ability too much, I mean his loss to Huan and Luthien was under very unlikely circumstances and once again, I think Sauron would have easily beaten Huan (even if handicapped by Luthien) if he had taken the form of an ironclad or something, Sauron crushed Finrod who I find to be similar in strength to Fingon or someone like that and Gothmog struggled with Fingon quite a lot and might have lost to him if his buddy didn't sneak up on Fingon and retrain him. And I mean Sauron struggled again Gil-galad and Elendil and for some reason that is mocked? I would say Gil-galad was easily one of the strongest elf kings to exist and Elendil was an extremely powerful Numenorean, the fact that Sauron killed them both working together is a big feat, Gil-galad alone would turn Gothmog into his breakfast lunch and dinner I would say. I don't understand why Sauron is said to be bad in combat
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 I see, thanks for clarifying and taking the time out of your day to respond once again, what you said about Luthien is true and so I can't really argue with you there. Osse did do a lot of damage, he could move whole islands but again, I did say that Sauron was likely more powerful, perhaps I didn't do a good job of making that clear, in fact I definitely didn't make that clear which I apologise for. Another thing that you seemed to have misinterpreted which also could have been my writing is that I never said Ungoliant was weakened by her encounter but Morgoth was weak at the time which you said. But still, her almost eating Morgoth and taking on all the Balrogs before fleeing still seems like something that Sauron couldn't do. And wasn't Melian's triumph over Ungoliant was simply that not even she could breach the Girdle? That's what I'm thinking of currently but if I'm not mistaken, it is implied that Sauron too wouldn't be able to breach it also and that Morgoth was the only agent of evil that could? As for Ancalagon, he turned he entire tide of the war against the host of the Valar, Sauron on the other hand came out of Barad-dur to defeat the Last Alliance himself and did I guess push them all the way to the slopes of Mount Doom before Gil-galad and Elendil took him down and Ancalagon was taken out by Earendil which makes these two feats similar, but the Last Alliance would have paled in comparison to the Host of the Valar so I find Ancalagon's feat far more impressive. I don't see how Sauron could beat him in single combat, and even in other disciplines, Ancalagon would be much lesser but it would be compensated by his sheer strength in the art of destruction and I do imagine him capable in using magic as he is greater than Glaurung who bound Turin, fed him lies which Turin had no choice but to believe and whipped Nienor's memory so I would imagine Ancalagon would be able to use a great deal of other magic. In fact I would have Glaurung's deception third only to Sauron and of course Morgoth bending Ainur to his will, could you imagine Ancalagon's likely ability to deceive? I imagine it would be very great likely not as great as Sauron but still it would give him a lot of unaccounted power here. Sure Sauron might have more feats and powers, but Ancalagon's seems sheer size a might I think eclipses all that Sauron could do. Your argument for why Feanor or Fingolfin couldn't beat Sauron is compelling, and you might be able to convince me for Feanor losing to him, same can't be said for Fingolfin, he wounded Morgoth so badly he would never recover. But then again he was said to have appeared like Orome himself so perhaps (or most certainly was) blessed by the Valar so maybe if we exclude that Sauron wins, I could see that, but at the time Fingolfin took on Morgoth, I doubt Sauron could have beaten him. About the Dagor Dagorath, Turin would have been taken released from the doom of man by Eru Iluvtar himself and so if Morgoth came back with his power restored to his prime, Turin would beat him due to Eru's blessing I would imagine. And if Morgoth wasn't restored in his prime, sending out Tulkas, Eonwe and an enhanced Turin would surely be overkill Just thinking about Sauron's ability in battle, I think the only time he was truly embarrassed in completely fair circumstances is when he attacked Tol Sirion and failed to kill Orodreth and his family. The way it is worded "came against Orodreth" makes it sound like Sauron and Orodreth saw each other in the flesh and yet Sauron still couldn't kill him even though I get the impression that Orodreth was piss weak and foolish compared to other elf lords. And I mean his failure here came back to bite him with Orodreth's (then) young son Gil-galad. This is the one time when Sauron I feel, truly embarrassed himself
@@oguzhanenescetin5702Morgoth in Dagor Dagorath will regain his full powers and destroy the sun and the moon, he couldn't do that in the first age because he was diminished.
While Fingolfin and Ecthelion were powerful elves, I don’t think they were as powerful as the resurrected Glorfindel who was blessed with the power of a Maia. He should’ve replaced one of the two other elves. Probably Ecthelion because Fingolfin was one bad ass elf.
Fingolfin is already closer to the Maia power. Glorfindel is a bit overrated these days but his current form probably stronger than his friend, ecthelion but nothing is certain. Ecthelion was the highest military leader in Gondolin, he's the leader of every guardian of gondolin gates leaders
And even the resurrected Glorfindel was as of an "Elf-plus" category, above most Elves, "almost a Maiar". But Sauron was the strongest of the Maiar, he was Morgoth's number one. There's no way one of the Elves could ever defeat Sauron, even Feanor himself!
Tanto vedremo soltanto anelli del potere perciò inutili congetture. Elrond sarà il prossimo amante di Sauron mentre Gandalf bacerà Saruman ed il loro bastone da mago magicamente sparirà dentro di loro
Tom is an incarnation of the Valor in the physical world. There way of having some loving influence, like a parent should, without actually interfering 😊
@@gerisaccomanno7422 look up the meaning of enigma. Though intentional, I believe Tolkien was reluctant to elaborate on details why Tom was because he wanted the reader to stay focus on the story. This is only a hypnosis of course 😁
Bombadil is my spirit animal. The concept of a being who is at one with everything and therefore immune to everything, and not particularly concerned with good vs evil , aligns with my world view. If you are going to spend eternity with a perfect and loving god, what happens here is just a bit of a novelty, a chance for your soul to experience individuality. But it still doesn't mean anything worth getting all worked up about. This is Tom's lezzaise fair (sp) attitude.
And that attitude would have gotten ME destroyed if it were up to him, I think Tolkiens point is that you need a good mix of many attitudes embodied in extremes by some characters
I think Tom Bombadil, except for his lack of fight. Unless we count the influence of his speech. He could have put Sauron to sleep. And then go about gathering water lilies for Goldberry.
Maybe, If sauron came to him. But it was said that even though he would fall last as he was first, he would eventually fall under the dark power of sauron
Was said by who? Sauron literally has 0 power over him. Tom would just tell him and his minions to go away and off they’d go. What would be interesting is if Tom would reveal his true, full power if everything except his personal domain had fallen. But that would have made for an uninteresting story just like the Great Eagles simply flying Frodo to Mount Doom
@@tbd3058 lotr: the fellowship of the ring, the council of elrond, page 346, line 19 - 31: ‘But in any case,’ said Glorfindel, ‘to send the Ring to him would only postpone the day of evil. He is far away. We could not now take it back to him, unguessed, unmarked by any spy. And even if we could, soon or late the Lord of the Rings would learn of its hiding place and would bend all his power towards it. Could that power be defied by Bombadil alone? I think not. I think that in the end, if all else is conquered, Bombadil will fall, Last as he was First; and then Night will come.' ‘I know little of Iarwain save the name,’ said Galdor; ‘but Glorfindel, I think, is right. Power to defy our Enemy is not in him, unless such power is in the earth itself. And yet we see that Sauron can torture and destroy the very hills…. so said by Glorfindel and Galdor, there you go😊
Interesting Luthien isn't presented as she defeated both Morgoth and Sauron. She hides herself within enemy territory and center of Morgoth's stronghold while casting a spell (A song) that captivates all and controls them into a sleep type state...including Morgoth. She then faces Sauron in the escape and he flees. She may not fight with a sword, but she went after and saved her brave lover against overwhelming odds.
Ancalagon’s raw power, size, and destructive abilities give him an immense advantage in any direct confrontation, particularly if he can stay airborne and use his fire to keep Sauron at bay. However, with the One Ring, Sauron’s magical power and cunning might allow him to avoid a direct clash long enough to exploit Ancalagon’s weaknesses. If Sauron were able to use the Ring’s power to bend Ancalagon to his will, even momentarily, he could potentially win the battle. That said, Ancalagon’s sheer might could overwhelm even Sauron if the fight came down to brute force. The battle would be close, but Sauron with the One Ring would have a chance to emerge victorious by using his sorcery, mind control, and magical defenses to outmaneuver Ancalagon. In contrast, Ancalagon could dominate the fight with his immense physical power and destruction if Sauron failed to find a way to neutralize the dragon’s advantages. In the end, the battle could go either way, but with the One Ring, Sauron has a greater chance of overcoming even Ancalagon’s immense might.
Huan was equal to carcaroth in combat (after Carcaroth swallowed the silmaril). But Sauron was greater than Huan, at least the story seems to suggest that if it weren’t for Luthien’s interference Sauron would likely have defeated Huan. So I wouldn’t add Carcaroth to the list.
A physical body can always be broken. But the spirit of a Vala is basically indestructible. Unless Eru says otherwise. That's why Morgoth is prophesied to return at the end of time.
While Ecthelion is a legendary figure and one of the greatest warriors of the First Age, Sauron with the One Ring would be a nearly insurmountable foe. The Ring amplifies Sauron’s power to such an extent that his magical abilities, physical strength, and power of domination would likely overwhelm even a warrior as mighty as Ecthelion. Ecthelion might hold his own in physical combat for a time, but Sauron’s sorcery and the Ring’s influence would eventually wear him down. In particular, Sauron’s magical prowess would be difficult for Ecthelion to counter, and while Ecthelion could resist Sauron’s mind control initially, prolonged exposure to the Ring’s power would likely weaken his defenses. In the end, Sauron with the One Ring would likely emerge victorious, using his enhanced magical abilities, strategic brilliance, and the Ring’s corrupting influence to overpower even a warrior as great as Ecthelion. While Ecthelion’s bravery and skill would make the fight legendary, he would ultimately fall to the overwhelming might of the Dark Lord.
IMHO he was Illuvitar whose melody created the Valor and Maiar. Bombadil sang when he would use his power to control powerful entities. I think he's lack of fear and carefree attitude were because he was the creator and really had no interest in the squabbles of Middle Earth.
He is not a mystery, he is a mockery of the average swede. Because they are as clueless about the effects of debt saturation (Sauron in short) as Tom is about the Ring. Tolkien was a signals officer in WW1 and would later develop a keen mind for banking. This gave him the full picture of how the world works. Barad-dûr represents the Old Stockholm telephone tower, in the same way Isengard represents IG Farben. Which means that a certain someone was taking orders, despite what history buffs will tell you.
Huan is not stronger than Sauron. That would imply that Carcaroth, who killed Huan, was stronger than Sauron, and that Eowyn was stronger than the Witch King.
You mentioned different examples and situations. But in the case of Huan, Sauron is weaker in combat. Sauron is not valid and skilled in combat, as the ones mentioned in this video. I would add also Glaurung, Gil Galad and Elendil, Melian, The Namless Things, Eonwe
You have to be intellectually honest here, Luthien did help Huan, but Sauron had already sent numerous werewolves including the powerful Draugluin to fight Huan right before he took to the field. So Sauron also had help. Plus, it is said, "But now wizardry nor spell, neither fang nor venom, nor devil's art nor beast-strength, could overthrow Huan, without forsaking his body utterly." This means that at that point in time, as magic and fate determines, Huan was more powerful than Sauron. Else he would not yield Tor in Gaurhoth and flee in the form of a vampire to Tar nu Fuin.
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 Well, you'd have to also go on defending your claim against what i said in the beginning of the video, "10 beings that can either take him out in a fight or are just more powerful than him" and as you can see, Huan took him out in this fight. Both got aid. Huan from Luthien, Sauron from his many werewolves and Draugluin. I also said "In this moment, despite his mastery of dark arts, Sauron learned that raw strength, divine blessings, and the right circumstances could overpower even his mighty will and thus he surrendered and fled the scene by taking the form of a vampire"
While Fingolfin is one of the greatest warriors and leaders in the history of Middle-earth, and his skill and courage are unparalleled, Sauron with the One Ring would be an opponent of an entirely different magnitude. Sauron’s mastery of sorcery, combined with the amplifying power of the Ring, would give him the upper hand in a prolonged battle. Fingolfin might be able to match or even surpass Sauron in direct combat for a time, as his skill with the sword is exceptional. However, Sauron’s enhanced magical abilities and the corrupting influence of the Ring would eventually wear down even Fingolfin’s immense resolve. While Fingolfin could potentially land some telling blows-much like he wounded Morgoth-Sauron with the Ring would likely emerge victorious in the end. The sheer combination of Sauron’s magical power, physical strength (enhanced by the Ring), and ability to manipulate the minds and spirits of others would be too overwhelming, even for a hero as mighty as Fingolfin. That said, Fingolfin’s valor, unbreakable will, and legendary prowess in battle would ensure that he made the Dark Lord pay dearly for any victory, likely marking such a confrontation as one of the greatest battles in the history of Middle-earth.
10 Beings in order since no one else did it. I did it 10. Huan the Hound - 1:16 9. Ancalagon the Black - 2:03 8. Gothmog - 2:55 7. Ecthelion - 3:38 6. Feanor - 4:28 5. Fingolfin - 5:23 4. Ungoliant - 6:14 3. The Valar - 6:58 2. Morgoth - 7:38 1. Tom Bombadil - 8:16
Tom bombadill is certainly powerful. He has the power to make the reader put down the book and never fucking read LOTR. Congrats Tom you are a fan favorite and also the reason why there arnt more fans.
This list makes no sense since all the mentioned characters except for Tom Bombadil did not operate during 3rd age. They were either dead, or imprisoned or just somewhere far away. Probably that's why Sauron became the next dark lord, since there was no opposition. And during the time while he was The Dark Lord, he was the most powerful being of Middle earth.
I kinda agree with you, but Ecthelion killed 2 balrogs and then Gothmog, the Lord of the Balrogs before dying. Fingolfin kiled one balrog and died from his wounds. So, why was he taken to Aman but not Ecthelion?
Having a bunch of elves defeat him kinda takes away much of the threat he poses though. If we're talking a Sauron who was weakened by Eru himself, while on Númenor, then yeah sure. But who is to say that Sauron wouldn't be able to wound Morgoth 10 times? And do more than cripple him. The thing with Sauron is that he would find a way to even the odds against a stronger foe. So even if these elves might be stronger, that doesn't mean they can defeat him. Especially not in the long run, a win against him 1v1 only means so much. Just because he avoids direct confrontations, it doesn't mean that he isn't a force to be reckoned with, if pushed into such a situation. As for Bombadil, I feel like that old coot would just get maced to death in one hit. And he would just embrace it with a smile, not even bothering to defend himself. Because that wouldn't be the end of him. He's above the concept of death. For all we know, he might have died a Million times. There is not much to say about the others, Sauron's spirit might have won over Gothmog's before entering Arda. But that's about it. After entering, he would have had to treat Gothmog with the same caution as these elves. And arguably Lúthien and Galadriel too.
Morgoth is by far my favorite and honestly i like him way more then sauron i feel like sauron didnt really compare to what melkor did because melkor fought powerful beings that were like gods and was defeated by them mean while sauron losed to a elf and a man also to two hobbits that threw his ring into the fire i mean come on morgoth is a beast but sauron is a really good evil character but doesnt compare to melkor hes the definition of pure evil because melkor wanted to destroy all life while sauron wanted to rule just middle earth.
Bilbo in his prime could have taken Sauron by himself! Source: The Fellowship of the Ring, Book 2, Chapter 2: The Council of Elrond. (Page 263 in my edition, almost at the end of the chapter) Bilbo assumed the Wise looked to him to destroy the Ring. Boromir began to laugh because he didn’t know anything about Bilbo. Gloin smiled in his fond memories. Everyone else looked on “with grave respect.”
Well, Melkor had is feet hewn from under him, he was bound with a chain, judged, and then cast out as a harmless spirit into the void. So it isn't that Sauron got stronger. Melkor lost everything.
Is this before or after Morgoth was thrown into the Door of Night? I was going to say all of the Valar, lol, but I know they left Middle Earth. Maybe all of the maia as well. Some of the first elves.
Gandalf the white said he is most powerful in Middle Earth except for Sauron, so at the time of Fellowship of the ring all these 10 being were dead or not in Middle Earth, else by same logic Eru should be in top 10 too.
Fairly certain that Luthien could have beat Sauron on her own. She nearly defeated Morgoth. If all the forces against Morgoth had been on the same page instead of working against one another, they would have found a way to defeat him.
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 Durin's Bane was wounded. Why did Durin's Bane go from chasing and attacking Gandalf, to running away from Gandalf? He was wounded (And if you say Durin's Bane was not wounded by the fall, I'm not even going to respond - had this stupid conversation so many times with Sauron d-riders).
I now summon the power of darkness…to resurrect our dark-lord Sauron, that he may return to middle earth and exercise dominance over all earthly beings and rule us all! Hahahaha
@@samsschool3639 Well, Gollum was a hobo for more than 500 years. That makes him the hobo of hobos basically. The hoboest hobo in all of fiction probably.
Fëanor is a legendary figure, both as a craftsman and a warrior, and his willpower and fire would make him one of the few capable of facing Sauron with the One Ring. However, Sauron, with the Ring, is more than just a powerful foe-he is a near godlike being, capable of overwhelming even the greatest of warriors through a combination of physical force, sorcery, and manipulation. While Fëanor would undoubtedly put up a heroic and valiant fight, Sauron with the One Ring would likely emerge victorious. The Ring’s power would give Sauron too many advantages-enhanced physical abilities, overwhelming sorcery, and the ability to erode Fëanor’s will over time. Fëanor’s pride and fiery spirit, though incredible, would likely not be enough to overcome the combined might of Sauron and the One Ring. In the end, Sauron with the Ring would overpower Fëanor, though the battle would be a legendary contest of will and power. Fëanor might resist longer than most, but the Dark Lord, with the One Ring in his grasp, would likely emerge as the victor.
1. Tolkien lost me with the Fingolfin vs. Morgoth fight. Fin should have been a gnat to him. Morgoth was the greatest (individually) of all the Valar. That one just never computed. 2. Best old school match: Tom Bombadil vs Ungoliant. Who wins?
I can tell you rn that Gothmog can definitely defeat Sauron! And as far as Ungoliant yeah she would do the same to him as she did to Morgoth except for Sauron can't cry for Balrogs.
well measurement is kinda inaccurate. for example tulkas is much more stronger than prime melkor in terms of overall strenght but melkor is mightier and more powerful than tulkas. If you gonna focus on only physical strength and combat abilities then tulkas and eonwe probably could outperform everything on arda thats dosen't meant they are strongest beings.
Tom Bombadil 😊 is the wild and free spirit of nature.
He is the embodiment of everything that lives without voice or understanding in nature.
Tolkien I think talked about how after WWI that he was amazed at how much beauty still existed after so much evil and loss. He found solace in home, the country and nature that exists in spite of human atrocities.
No surprise he wouldn’t care about the ring. Tom doesn’t need dominion. He is the very spirit of the domain❤.
Tom was the coolist! Why did they leave him out of the movies?
That's what many Maiar were. Many were part of different aspects of nature. The Valar even more, of course.
Tolkeins injection of his pagan Catholic roots.
@@markstaten8402if i had to guess it’s because he’s too vague of a character who was only shortly present. Guessing the budget or something didn’t quite allow for it.
Tolkien was a Christian, Tom is the embodiment of a part of the holy trinity. Look into Tolkien’s life and it’ll illuminate what he’s actually portraying. Sauron is literally the Anti-Christ underneath Morgoth (Satan/Lucifer) command.
Of the elves, Tolkien wrote explicitly many times that Feanor and Galadriel were THE GREATEST of the Eldar. Period. They were “equals in power,”though different in their “endowments.” Both were mighty in magical Arts, though Feanor’s warrior nature came to the fore after leaving Valinor. It’s worth noting that Tolkien described Galadriel as “the match for any athlete or loremaster” in Valinor, which means she was as terrifying a warrior as the greatest male elves, even though her practice of magic came to the fore after *she* left Valinor with her own ambitions. Yet neither of them could have defeated Sauron in single combat if he possessed his Ring. Tolkien did indicate that Galadriel’s magic had some advantages over Sauron’s without his Ring: her power to know his mind while shielding hers from Sauron; her ability to drive the black mist of Sauron back up the hillsides to Dol Guldur with her own mystical mist, her ability to strive in thought regularly with Sauron between Lorien and Mordor at a time when even Gandalf (in Gray mode) dared not strive with Sauron in thought, etc.
The greatest elves, like Fingolfin or Feanor or Galadriel or Elrond could and did thwart the weakened Sauron, but never Sauron at or near his full strength. The same applies to Gandalf, whose very presence frightened Sauron away from Dol Guldur when Sauron was still but a shadow reforming, and Gandalf was first investigating the “abandoned” fortress.
There is some indication that Bombadil possessed power that could not be dominated by Sauron, but his power was tied to the remnants of his forest and, at the Council of Elrond, it was stated that Sauron would systematically destroy the forest and crush Bombadil in the process.
It seems that only Melian the Maia was of a higher order than Sauron, for Tolkien notes that Morgoth himself “feared” Melian. Her half-maiar daughter, Luthien, triumphed in a battle with Sauron, but this was before his ring had been crafted and she was assisted by Huan, the Hound of Valinor, who appears to have been a maiar spirit himself, possibly.
Sauron’s submission before the King of Numenor was a ploy-he could not defeat the Numenorean legions, but he *was* able to gain control over the king, personally, and bring ruin upon Numenor (and himself).
Manwe’s herald, Eonwe, appears to have been a maia spirit mightier than Sauron, for Sauron groveled for mercy before him after Morgoth’s final defeat. Otherwise, no beings in Middle Earth or who entered Middle Earth were mightier than Morgoth or Sauron, save perhaps the bloated Ungoliant. Even the greatest dragons were subject to their maker, Morgoth.
The nearest Tolkien alludes to any beings of Middle Earth defeating Sauron is his remark that Gandalf, Galadriel, and Elrond *possibly* could have supplanted him, but only by wielding the one Ring, and only by amassing great armies, as Sauron did. They would conquer him in that way and become evil overlords themselves. Tolkien even doubted Gandalf could defeat Sauron face to face if Gandalf wielded the one Ring. I do also believe that Aragorn, being of Numenorean blood, would also have been included in that short list of persons capable of surmounting Sauron IF he had succumbed to the Ring’s temptation. It’s key to remember that the only persons directly offered the Ring by Frodo were Gandalf and Galadriel and possibly Aragorn, and all needed every strength of their great will and wisdom to refuse it.
Sauron likewise inherited much of the old power of Morgoth because of the evil that Morgoth had embedded in Middle Earth forever in the form of gold … from which Sauron crafted his Precious. Tolkien said that the creation of Middle Earth, while good and noble, was forever tainted by Morgoth’s “ring”. There was also an implication that, while Morgoth was nevertheless exiled to the Void, he still influenced Sauron somehow from the “other world”. Creepy.
The truly powerful part of the whole story, to me, is that it was the efforts of goodness-on the part of great persons and small persons-that brought little Frodo to the moment of destroying Sauron forever, but even by that point, Frodo was so diminished spiritually by the Ring that lust for it overcame him and he refused, and lust for the ring overwhelmed Gollum, who, in his reckless gloating at having recovered that evil object, made a neglectful, earthly mistake and slipped to his doom and to Sauron’s doom.
Basically, Sauron’s own evil destroyed him … with a lot of assistance from creatures of good heart and giftedness. These forces had to get the Fellowship and Frodo and Sam to that moment of truth, in order that evil would destroy itself, at least as far as Sauron’s thrall.
This comment is severely underrated.
not equal but after feanor definitely galadriel
This may be one of the best comments I've ever read on this subject, Thank you
Thx for this comment
When I saw this video's title, the first two names I tought was Melian and Eonwe. Both missing from the video. Thank you for the great comment, or more precisely great mini-essay!
I think Fingolfin would definitely defeat Sauron in single combat.
No
@@honorv.8262 yes he would
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 You must be joking... he fought as an equal with the Lord of Darkness and wounded him for life...
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 Bullshit…
@@mrmementofinis Morgoth in that time was only shadow of his formal self. Just a weakling
Huan actually crushed Sauron’s arm bones in his jaws after the hunting dog went all Mech Warrior on his supernatural ass “Somebody Leash This Crazy Mutt!”
Where does the theory that Sauron wasn’t a good fighter even come from? The dude took out Gil Galad and Elendil who were legendary fighters in Middle Earth. He drove back the siege of Barad Dur and was often in combat.
It was said in the books
@@dayiso7712 It literally isn’t though???
@@Destroyer94100 yea it was
There's a difference between being a good fighter and having a lot of magical power. He was basically mortally wounded by a mere Man despite being not only a maia but likely the most powerful one when he was wearing the Ring of Power. He was used to trickery and deception, he didn't usually fight in battle unless he absolutely had to, and then he heavily relied on his great power to carry him. If he didn't have his magical powers and he was just an elf or Man, he would get chopped up real quick in combat. It's like when a high level character gets killed by a low level character in a video game because the high level character isn't good at the game and the low level character is. The fact that the low level character also dies is irrelevant. The fact that Elendil, not even an elf, killed him and while he was wearing the Ring, no less, cannot be overstated.
@@MannyBrum yup
You forgot the Maia Ëonwë, banner man and herald of Manwë, who was supposedly the greatest in arms in all Middle-earth, excluding the Valar themselves. Also Glaurung, the Father of Dragons was probably Sauron’s equal, if not better.
Also, if Huan was in the list, Carcharoth, the werewolf that slew Huan should also have been on the list.
Agree on Eonwe.
In fairness, Huan defeated Carcharoth in battle. He just succumbed to his wounds later.
Tulkas? Orome? The Silmarillion hints that Morgoth feared both.
@@imankhandaker6103 said at the beginning of the video that it really considered all the valar to be one entry.
So he knows the Silmarillion better than Tolkien? If all the Valar are one - how did they sing in harmony during the song of creation? Are Manwe & Melkor one? Aule? Are the Maiar one too? Is Sauron the same as Saruman & Gandalf? Because I don't see it.
I assume by entry - you mean entity?
This is a good list, and since Sauron was defeated multiple times over throughout the whole story, it does lend more credence to the fact that he wasn't particularly physically overwhelming. Certainly one of the greatest Maiar, but like you said, his skill lay more in manipulation, fear, and immense cunning. I think he learned his lesson after losing to Huan, and especially later Elendil and Gig-Galad, that he would have to rely on his magic/crafting and mind controlling abilities. He certainly already knew this when he came up with his plan for the rings of power.
So yes, I think these mighty Nolder lords and maybe even a few others could've bested him in 1v1 combat (Glorfindel, Maehdros, Hurin?!?). But they'd have to surpass his cunning plans of manipulation first, and his mind-bending magic. Also, just thinking about how this is another awesome layer to Tolkien's work. The big bad guys, even Morgoth after he had spent much of his power infusing it into his minions, and later became much weaker, they weren't one-dimensional action movie bad guys who were super strong necessarily. They were more cunning and manipulative, more like Lex Luthors than, say, Doomsday. More like The Riddler or Joker than Bane. Bad analogies, but I think he's expressing the theme that the problem isn't the big bad guy themselves, but the dark intensions and ideologies they command to amass an army and influence in the world.
Feanor could build a Railway Cannon
One of the best intros to any channel on youtube
Fascinating explanation of those who could defeat Sauron.
But Tom Bombadil said that he is no master of the Nazgul and could not controll them. And Morgoth acctually is a Valar, too.
But tom bombadil is the God himself the creator
@@nathanunitedheilbron5676 He is not Illuvatar. There are many theories who or what Tom Bombadil may be. I think together with Goldberry he represents Adam and Eve from the Bible before they committed a sin. They still behave like children, Tom Bombadil is fatherless and it seems like they live in paradise (Eden).
Hated the split for morgoth and valar 🤷
@@danielpotapczuk2155 I personally like the theory that Tom is Eru Iluvatar come to live in and among his creations. - It makes sense that a trinket ring made by a Maiar, would have no effect on a Valar or Eru. Eru would think Frodo's hand looks much better without the evil ring on it.. etc. Eldest and Fatherless.. it just fits. However, Tolkien actually said that Tom is meant to be an enigma in Letter 144 (April 25, 1954)
@@danielpotapczuk2155 Tomb Bombadil is clearly a jesus christ figure AKA Eru Illuvatar's physical embodiment, who doesn't take a side or interfere
Loved the video. Got impressed about the lord of the balrogs and the elf who killed them easily. I have a lot of research about the levels of power in middle earth now! haha thank you, my man.
The noldor in Gondolin were on another level. Ecthelion was the strongest but Glorfindel also killed one and then was reincarnated and appears in the books
All Valar, some Maiar (Eönwë, Arien, Ossë), Ungoliant and (of course) Eru.
1:44 Sauron despite his mastery of the Dog Arts.
This is probably underestimating Sauron’s global influence which is power
Turin Turambar was THE GREATEST fighter in the legendary
This is definitely a list
One of the lists of all time? I kinda disagree with half of them, if not even 6.
Interesting and thanks. I read the books devades ago. Thinking about reading the Simarrillion again.
Gandalf stated that after the passing of the last of the great dragons -:Smaug the only way to destroy the one ring was casting in the fires of Mount Doom which implies that a great dragon fire would have destroy it Ancalagon was a titan compared to Smaug so...
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 It could be a line from the Pete Jackson movie who had some other errr ....artistic interpretations of the source material but I do remember the books pretty well
Another thing which is incorrect in this video is that Sauron didn't escape from Huan by himself but was released by the Orome's hound only after making a deal with Luthien to reveal all secrets of Minas Morgul which Luthien used to find Beren and then to destroy the place.
nope
Literally word for word Gandalf specifically points out that Ancalagon wouldn’t be able to destroy the ring
It literally says in book that not even fire from ancalagon the black could have harmed it,you are absolutely clueless…
There are of course the "Nameless Things" as well.
I believe it's stated that there were more powerful creatures in the deep compared to the balrog.
@@Masterahsoka there are, but tolkien never details them in any of his books, other than the ones we're shown/told about explicitly.
Good video!!!
“Sauron isn’t the greatest of fighters.”
Gil Galad & Elendil:
They literally slain sauron
@@feliperiani6751 You can also say that he soloed them. All 3 died but Sauron didn't stay dead. And this was after he was weakened from dying on Númenor, he was even stronger in the First Age. Any elf that defeated him 1v1 would die in the process. Probably Gothmog too.
Both mighty Lords of elves and men so your point is what? Oh and killed them
Skill issue
@@seanmarshall7403 I don’t remember what it I was but I was quoting someone else saying that because I completely disagree and think Sauron was an excellent fighter and also brave not a coward like morgoth
Would be interesting if movies of some of these beings
Guys, lets not turn LotR into Dragon Ball.
The way "power" works on Arda is directly related to the nature of each being, which means how close he is, in nature, to Eru. Picking moments where a Ainu is "weak" is ignoring how all Ainur are bounded to Eä's physical limitations and would never manifest their real nature.
Sauron is not even a "fighter", like Tulkas, but Tulkas is less powerful than Melkor, Manwë, Aulë and Ulmo...
It is not a teenager book.
Totally right
So your point is that Tulkas is the only one with a power level over 9000?
Are you really asking to get serious about a fantasy book? XD
@@loloflores123 No.
@@loloflores123 Some fantasy books have created a whole universe, thus a video like this can be consistent or not with the rules of this universe.
Tom Bombadil would sing Sauron out of existence.
This is a really good list of beings who could destroy Sauron, it’s refreshing to see someone who knows what they are talking about, especially since ROP has come out you have people who have no idea about the world of Tolkien telling you that you’re wrong…. 🤦🏻♂️
Too many series and movies nowadays but LOTR is really something that lives forever.
Huan was a very good boy. Huan, fetch Sauron! Good boyyyy.
I'm surprised there is no Isildur on the list - the only character that actually defeated Sauron in face to face combat.
Isildur didn’t defeat Sauron though, Elendil and Gil-Galad did. Isildur merely cut the ring from Sauron’s defeated body with the broken hilt of Narsil.
@@XxBNFootball21xX hmm, but wasn't it his defeat? I mean he cut his finger and took the ring. Sauron didn't take it back. I haven't read Silmarillion, only LOTR and watched movies so I'm not a LOTR nerd in any way but didn't Sauron lose his body after this battle? I think it was his defeat. But anyway, you mentioned two different characters that defeated Sauron so they should be on the list if they are not.
@@mercillesm In the books, Elendil and Gil-Galad are the ones who defeat Sauron in battle, but both die in the process. Isildur just comes to Sauron’s incapacitated body, takes the broken hilt of his father’s sword, cuts the ring from Sauron’s hand and claims it.
I think from this list two other Maiar were forgotten. First there is Eönwë, herald of Manwë, who is described as having no equal in the handling of weapons in all Arda. He was sent by Manwë, with his sword, to overthrew Morgoth. And Sauron did submit to him too. And then there is Melian, described as having no one better than her when it comes to enchantments. Sauron feared her and never tried to cross the Girdle of Melian, which could be forced only by someone (or something) stronger than her.
It's stated in the books that eventually Tom Bombadil would fall to sauron. He would be the last of freemen to fall but he would lose.
do you think tom bombadil is stronger than mxyzptlk or the q continuum or is it a stalelmate
Sauron being btfo'd by a literal dog was my all time favorite moment in the Silmarillion
Thoughts on each rank:
Huan- Hard no, e DID beat Sauron in combat but nobody seems to factor in Luthien's key involvement in bringing him down, I'm pretty sure Sauron would have beaten Huan if it was just those two, furthermore, in my head canon (this part isn't to be taken seriously it's just my speculation) but I believe that if Sauron chose a different form that wasn't a werewolf, he would have won and that the prophecy that said Huan would be defeated by only the strongest werewolf did Sauron dirty and it was somewhat self fulfilled when Sauron took on the form of a werewolf and that he couldn't be the greatest werewolf to ever live simply because he was a Maia and not a werewolf. And then of course single combat isn't everything
Ancalagon- This one I will agree with, just the beast was Morgoth's finest creation, would have stomped over just about everything if not for Earendil
Gothmog- Disagree quite strongly, Gothmog was like the Darth Vader of middle earth I find (at least in the first age) and so was very powerful but his strength was in single combat but even then he wasn't invincible, he struggled quite a lot with Feanor and might have lost if it wasn't for his buddies teaming up on Feanor, even then Feanor's sons rescued his body and then he really struggled against Fingon and once again needed one of his buddies to retrain Fingon while he finished him off, and then of course he was killed by Ecthelion. He struggled with all these elves the same way Sauron struggles with Huan+ Luthien and Gil-galad + Elendil, in single combat so I'm not really sure there is too much difference between the two in single combat, in fact (might be controversial) even if he couldn't beat Gothmog without the ring, it would still be close and he would have a real chance, but with the ring he would definitely win. And then the nail in the coffin is that single combat IS Gothmog's thing while it isn't necessarily Sauron's, for example Sauron could make storms, plagues that could wipe out populations, degrade civilisations using sorcery (I'm thinking of Greenwood becoming Mirkwood), deception and manipulation that destroyed the greatest civilisation of men and then of course his skill in crafting which I doubt Gothmog could really do any of these things. The last reason also goes for others on this list that may beat him in single combat, but is weaker in other disciplines.
Ecthelion- Disagree, yeah maybe similar levels in single combat (perhaps advantage to Ecthelion if Sauron does't have the one Ring) but I would say Gil-galad is probably stronger than Ecthelion and Gil-galad required Elendil to beat Sauron and they still both died while Ecthelion needed no such extra help to beat Gothmog who was previously discussed an only did kill him at the cost of his own life and using a very unorthodox method which I doubt Gothmog saw coming
Feanor- I think he is more or less around Sauron's strength. probably stronger in single combat but Sauron I think is stronger in other disciplines, this one is tough, there is a case for Feanor but I'll give it to Sauron by virtue of him being a Maia
Fingolfin- I agree with this one, definitely would crush Sauron even with the ring in single combat, Sauron is stronger in other disciplines again, but Fingolfin is still strong in those disciplines and his combat ability and leadership I think is enough to be stronger all in all than Sauron
Ungoliant- Impossible to disagree
Morgoth- also impossible to disagree
Tom Bombadil- Perhaps, can't disagree but at the same time, there isn't enough about him to really gauge at his true power but I'll give it a pass
Others that could have been included are: Eonwe, Luthien, Melian, Earendil, Turin (Dagor Dagorath version not Children of Hurin version) and Osse
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 I agree with your criticisms. However when it comes to the Silmarillion, it is incomplete and I feel that there are discrepancies between what Tolkien says and what he actually wrote. One of these is for example, Feanor being the strongest child of Iluvatar, which is what he said, but what actually happened seems to suggest that Fingolfin was the greatest and that he said Finwe loved Miriel greatly despite treating her like a dog so I think some of this stuff is debatable.
I think Fingolfin would beat Sauron in single combat even with the ring though it would not be easy as I like to base my opinions based on what happens and Fingolfin crippled Morgoth even if it cost him his life. But upon reflection, I do think you're right in that overall, across every discipline, Sauron is greater.
Ancalagon also seemed to do far more than Sauron ever hoped to do even though he was said to be Morgoth's mightiest servant
Osse I didn;t necessarily say he was more powerful, just that he could be, but Sauron being higher in command doesn't make him stronger, it means that Morgoth trusted him more but this is one is debatable. Indeed I said that Osse could be stronger, but Sauron is likely stronger
Luthien would indeed be crushed in combat by Sauron and that did happen in a way but I doubt what Luthien did to subdue not just Morgoth but Mandos as well could be achieved by Sauron if he were that way inclined but once again, I didn't say that she was more powerful, just that she could be .
I was under the impression that Morgoth returned to full might in the Dagor Dagorath, I could be wrong on that, please do call me out on it if I am wrong, but he would need to return to his full might surely if he is going up against Tulkas and invading Aman and if Morgoth did return to full strength, I think that would make Turin stronger but again, I could be wrong about the strength of Morgoth
Ungoliant, yeah I guess, but she was almost about to eat Morgoth requiring his Balrogs to save him and this was before a lot of his power was lost (although I do understand he was particularly vulnerable at this point), even considering everything, I'm unsure if Sauron could pull off a feat like that
Yes I tend to agree with your take on Gothmog, people attack Sauron's single combat ability too much, I mean his loss to Huan and Luthien was under very unlikely circumstances and once again, I think Sauron would have easily beaten Huan (even if handicapped by Luthien) if he had taken the form of an ironclad or something, Sauron crushed Finrod who I find to be similar in strength to Fingon or someone like that and Gothmog struggled with Fingon quite a lot and might have lost to him if his buddy didn't sneak up on Fingon and retrain him. And I mean Sauron struggled again Gil-galad and Elendil and for some reason that is mocked? I would say Gil-galad was easily one of the strongest elf kings to exist and Elendil was an extremely powerful Numenorean, the fact that Sauron killed them both working together is a big feat, Gil-galad alone would turn Gothmog into his breakfast lunch and dinner I would say. I don't understand why Sauron is said to be bad in combat
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 I see, thanks for clarifying and taking the time out of your day to respond once again, what you said about Luthien is true and so I can't really argue with you there. Osse did do a lot of damage, he could move whole islands but again, I did say that Sauron was likely more powerful, perhaps I didn't do a good job of making that clear, in fact I definitely didn't make that clear which I apologise for.
Another thing that you seemed to have misinterpreted which also could have been my writing is that I never said Ungoliant was weakened by her encounter but Morgoth was weak at the time which you said. But still, her almost eating Morgoth and taking on all the Balrogs before fleeing still seems like something that Sauron couldn't do. And wasn't Melian's triumph over Ungoliant was simply that not even she could breach the Girdle? That's what I'm thinking of currently but if I'm not mistaken, it is implied that Sauron too wouldn't be able to breach it also and that Morgoth was the only agent of evil that could?
As for Ancalagon, he turned he entire tide of the war against the host of the Valar, Sauron on the other hand came out of Barad-dur to defeat the Last Alliance himself and did I guess push them all the way to the slopes of Mount Doom before Gil-galad and Elendil took him down and Ancalagon was taken out by Earendil which makes these two feats similar, but the Last Alliance would have paled in comparison to the Host of the Valar so I find Ancalagon's feat far more impressive. I don't see how Sauron could beat him in single combat, and even in other disciplines, Ancalagon would be much lesser but it would be compensated by his sheer strength in the art of destruction and I do imagine him capable in using magic as he is greater than Glaurung who bound Turin, fed him lies which Turin had no choice but to believe and whipped Nienor's memory so I would imagine Ancalagon would be able to use a great deal of other magic. In fact I would have Glaurung's deception third only to Sauron and of course Morgoth bending Ainur to his will, could you imagine Ancalagon's likely ability to deceive? I imagine it would be very great likely not as great as Sauron but still it would give him a lot of unaccounted power here. Sure Sauron might have more feats and powers, but Ancalagon's seems sheer size a might I think eclipses all that Sauron could do.
Your argument for why Feanor or Fingolfin couldn't beat Sauron is compelling, and you might be able to convince me for Feanor losing to him, same can't be said for Fingolfin, he wounded Morgoth so badly he would never recover. But then again he was said to have appeared like Orome himself so perhaps (or most certainly was) blessed by the Valar so maybe if we exclude that Sauron wins, I could see that, but at the time Fingolfin took on Morgoth, I doubt Sauron could have beaten him.
About the Dagor Dagorath, Turin would have been taken released from the doom of man by Eru Iluvtar himself and so if Morgoth came back with his power restored to his prime, Turin would beat him due to Eru's blessing I would imagine. And if Morgoth wasn't restored in his prime, sending out Tulkas, Eonwe and an enhanced Turin would surely be overkill
Just thinking about Sauron's ability in battle, I think the only time he was truly embarrassed in completely fair circumstances is when he attacked Tol Sirion and failed to kill Orodreth and his family. The way it is worded "came against Orodreth" makes it sound like Sauron and Orodreth saw each other in the flesh and yet Sauron still couldn't kill him even though I get the impression that Orodreth was piss weak and foolish compared to other elf lords. And I mean his failure here came back to bite him with Orodreth's (then) young son Gil-galad. This is the one time when Sauron I feel, truly embarrassed himself
Tom is not more powerful, he just is Tom.
@@oguzhanenescetin5702Morgoth in Dagor Dagorath will regain his full powers and destroy the sun and the moon, he couldn't do that in the first age because he was diminished.
@@Mortgageman145Ancalagon only did so much damage because of his size.
Did you get most of this artwork from Molly Hatchet album covers?
While Fingolfin and Ecthelion were powerful elves, I don’t think they were as powerful as the resurrected Glorfindel who was blessed with the power of a Maia. He should’ve replaced one of the two other elves. Probably Ecthelion because Fingolfin was one bad ass elf.
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 I’m talking about the power of the elves. I don’t believe Fingolfin or Ecthelion would beat Sauron either.
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 Where does he say this?
Fingolfin is already closer to the Maia power. Glorfindel is a bit overrated these days but his current form probably stronger than his friend, ecthelion but nothing is certain. Ecthelion was the highest military leader in Gondolin, he's the leader of every guardian of gondolin gates leaders
@@abeltaaqlal915 I do believe Ecthelion was more powerful than Glorfindel while in Gondolin but his resurrected form was a lot more powerful.
And even the resurrected Glorfindel was as of an "Elf-plus" category, above most Elves, "almost a Maiar". But Sauron was the strongest of the Maiar, he was Morgoth's number one. There's no way one of the Elves could ever defeat Sauron, even Feanor himself!
huan was helped by the magic of lutien and the destiny.
Sauron is an angel, he is more powerful then anything motal
Gandalf, Glorfindel, and Elrond all thought that old Bombadillo would eventually be overtaken by Sauron, I'd agree with them.
Tanto vedremo soltanto anelli del potere perciò inutili congetture. Elrond sarà il prossimo amante di Sauron mentre Gandalf bacerà Saruman ed il loro bastone da mago magicamente sparirà dentro di loro
Tom is an incarnation of the Valor in the physical world. There way of having some loving influence, like a parent should, without actually interfering 😊
No he isn’t. He is an intentional enigma, according to Tolkien
@@gerisaccomanno7422 look up the meaning of enigma. Though intentional, I believe Tolkien was reluctant to elaborate on details why Tom was because he wanted the reader to stay focus on the story. This is only a hypnosis of course 😁
@@shawndeo4399 you really need to learn how to spell.
Bombadil is my spirit animal. The concept of a being who is at one with everything and therefore immune to everything, and not particularly concerned with good vs evil , aligns with my world view. If you are going to spend eternity with a perfect and loving god, what happens here is just a bit of a novelty, a chance for your soul to experience individuality. But it still doesn't mean anything worth getting all worked up about.
This is Tom's lezzaise fair (sp) attitude.
And that attitude would have gotten ME destroyed if it were up to him, I think Tolkiens point is that you need a good mix of many attitudes embodied in extremes by some characters
I think Tom Bombadil, except for his lack of fight. Unless we count the influence of his speech. He could have put Sauron to sleep. And then go about gathering water lilies for Goldberry.
Maybe, If sauron came to him. But it was said that even though he would fall last as he was first, he would eventually fall under the dark power of sauron
Was said by who? Sauron literally has 0 power over him. Tom would just tell him and his minions to go away and off they’d go. What would be interesting is if Tom would reveal his true, full power if everything except his personal domain had fallen. But that would have made for an uninteresting story just like the Great Eagles simply flying Frodo to Mount Doom
@@tbd3058 lotr: the fellowship of the ring, the council of elrond, page 346, line 19 - 31:
‘But in any case,’ said Glorfindel, ‘to send the Ring to him would only postpone the day of evil. He is far away. We could not now take it back to him, unguessed, unmarked by any spy. And even if we could, soon or late the Lord of the Rings would learn of its hiding place and would bend all his power towards it. Could that power be defied by Bombadil alone? I think not. I think that in the end, if all else is conquered, Bombadil will fall, Last as he was First; and then Night will come.'
‘I know little of Iarwain save the name,’ said Galdor; ‘but Glorfindel, I think, is right. Power to defy our Enemy is not in him, unless such power is in the earth itself. And yet we see that Sauron can torture and destroy the very hills….
so said by Glorfindel and Galdor, there you go😊
Interesting Luthien isn't presented as she defeated both Morgoth and Sauron.
She hides herself within enemy territory and center of Morgoth's stronghold while casting a spell (A song) that captivates all and controls them into a sleep type state...including Morgoth. She then faces Sauron in the escape and he flees.
She may not fight with a sword, but she went after and saved her brave lover against overwhelming odds.
Ancalagon’s raw power, size, and destructive abilities give him an immense advantage in any direct confrontation, particularly if he can stay airborne and use his fire to keep Sauron at bay. However, with the One Ring, Sauron’s magical power and cunning might allow him to avoid a direct clash long enough to exploit Ancalagon’s weaknesses. If Sauron were able to use the Ring’s power to bend Ancalagon to his will, even momentarily, he could potentially win the battle.
That said, Ancalagon’s sheer might could overwhelm even Sauron if the fight came down to brute force. The battle would be close, but Sauron with the One Ring would have a chance to emerge victorious by using his sorcery, mind control, and magical defenses to outmaneuver Ancalagon. In contrast, Ancalagon could dominate the fight with his immense physical power and destruction if Sauron failed to find a way to neutralize the dragon’s advantages.
In the end, the battle could go either way, but with the One Ring, Sauron has a greater chance of overcoming even Ancalagon’s immense might.
I’d add Carcaroth, Eonwe, Osse , Thorondir, and possibly Turin
Huan was equal to carcaroth in combat (after Carcaroth swallowed the silmaril). But Sauron was greater than Huan, at least the story seems to suggest that if it weren’t for Luthien’s interference Sauron would likely have defeated Huan. So I wouldn’t add Carcaroth to the list.
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Sourton couldn't take out frodo in a scrap is the next video 😂
Wonder if Tom was just the authors way of throwing himself in the lore to troll alittle bit 😅
Clearly Valar could be challenged not only by one of their own if Morgoth was challenged and almost list to an elf :)
A physical body can always be broken. But the spirit of a Vala is basically indestructible. Unless Eru says otherwise. That's why Morgoth is prophesied to return at the end of time.
While Ecthelion is a legendary figure and one of the greatest warriors of the First Age, Sauron with the One Ring would be a nearly insurmountable foe. The Ring amplifies Sauron’s power to such an extent that his magical abilities, physical strength, and power of domination would likely overwhelm even a warrior as mighty as Ecthelion.
Ecthelion might hold his own in physical combat for a time, but Sauron’s sorcery and the Ring’s influence would eventually wear him down. In particular, Sauron’s magical prowess would be difficult for Ecthelion to counter, and while Ecthelion could resist Sauron’s mind control initially, prolonged exposure to the Ring’s power would likely weaken his defenses.
In the end, Sauron with the One Ring would likely emerge victorious, using his enhanced magical abilities, strategic brilliance, and the Ring’s corrupting influence to overpower even a warrior as great as Ecthelion. While Ecthelion’s bravery and skill would make the fight legendary, he would ultimately fall to the overwhelming might of the Dark Lord.
What about Eonwe? He was said to be the best weapons master in the universe. Or Smaug?
He's not a character in Middle Earth, is he
Tom Bombadill will remain one of the greater mysteries of middle earth, who or what was he, all being speculation
What I like about Rings of Power, which rarely happens, is that they presented Tom. That was nice, ngl
@@CosmiinBtn Rings of power is as much official Tolkien lore as hostess fruit pie adverts were official marvel lore
@@MrOrcshaman yeah, not arguing with that. I'm just pleased that they somehow portrayed Tom 😂
IMHO he was Illuvitar whose melody created the Valor and Maiar. Bombadil sang when he would use his power to control powerful entities. I think he's lack of fear and carefree attitude were because he was the creator and really had no interest in the squabbles of Middle Earth.
He is not a mystery, he is a mockery of the average swede. Because they are as clueless about the effects of debt saturation (Sauron in short) as Tom is about the Ring. Tolkien was a signals officer in WW1 and would later develop a keen mind for banking. This gave him the full picture of how the world works.
Barad-dûr represents the Old Stockholm telephone tower, in the same way Isengard represents IG Farben. Which means that a certain someone was taking orders, despite what history buffs will tell you.
Huan is not stronger than Sauron. That would imply that Carcaroth, who killed Huan, was stronger than Sauron, and that Eowyn was stronger than the Witch King.
You mentioned different examples and situations.
But in the case of Huan, Sauron is weaker in combat.
Sauron is not valid and skilled in combat, as the ones mentioned in this video. I would add also Glaurung, Gil Galad and Elendil, Melian, The Namless Things, Eonwe
Read Silmarillion, Huan defeated Sauron
You have to be intellectually honest here, Luthien did help Huan, but Sauron had already sent numerous werewolves including the powerful Draugluin to fight Huan right before he took to the field. So Sauron also had help. Plus, it is said, "But now wizardry nor spell, neither fang nor venom, nor devil's art nor beast-strength, could overthrow Huan, without forsaking his body utterly." This means that at that point in time, as magic and fate determines, Huan was more powerful than Sauron. Else he would not yield Tor in Gaurhoth and flee in the form of a vampire to Tar nu Fuin.
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 Well, you'd have to also go on defending your claim against what i said in the beginning of the video, "10 beings that can either take him out in a fight or are just more powerful than him" and as you can see, Huan took him out in this fight. Both got aid. Huan from Luthien, Sauron from his many werewolves and Draugluin.
I also said "In this moment, despite his mastery of dark arts, Sauron learned that raw strength, divine blessings, and the right circumstances could overpower even his mighty will and thus he surrendered and fled the scene by taking the form of a vampire"
Sauron d-riders are really annoying lol. Why you fanboy Sauron so much.
Tolkien wrote that Gothmog was weaker than Sauron.
While Fingolfin is one of the greatest warriors and leaders in the history of Middle-earth, and his skill and courage are unparalleled, Sauron with the One Ring would be an opponent of an entirely different magnitude. Sauron’s mastery of sorcery, combined with the amplifying power of the Ring, would give him the upper hand in a prolonged battle. Fingolfin might be able to match or even surpass Sauron in direct combat for a time, as his skill with the sword is exceptional. However, Sauron’s enhanced magical abilities and the corrupting influence of the Ring would eventually wear down even Fingolfin’s immense resolve.
While Fingolfin could potentially land some telling blows-much like he wounded Morgoth-Sauron with the Ring would likely emerge victorious in the end. The sheer combination of Sauron’s magical power, physical strength (enhanced by the Ring), and ability to manipulate the minds and spirits of others would be too overwhelming, even for a hero as mighty as Fingolfin.
That said, Fingolfin’s valor, unbreakable will, and legendary prowess in battle would ensure that he made the Dark Lord pay dearly for any victory, likely marking such a confrontation as one of the greatest battles in the history of Middle-earth.
10 Beings in order
since no one else did it. I did it
10. Huan the Hound - 1:16
9. Ancalagon the Black - 2:03
8. Gothmog - 2:55
7. Ecthelion - 3:38
6. Feanor - 4:28
5. Fingolfin - 5:23
4. Ungoliant - 6:14
3. The Valar - 6:58
2. Morgoth - 7:38
1. Tom Bombadil - 8:16
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 I just followed the video list and made time stamps
Thank you so much!! 😎👍
What about Karkaroth
Valar and maiar are plural forms. The singular forms are vala and maia.
Eonwe, herald of Manwe might also have been on par with or more powerful than Sauron.
What about Glorfindel? Especially after he returned.
Tom bombadill is certainly powerful. He has the power to make the reader put down the book and never fucking read LOTR. Congrats Tom you are a fan favorite and also the reason why there arnt more fans.
This is a fucking dreadful list apart from Angoliant, the Valar and Morgoth. (Tom is a maybe)
Absolutely! This poster doesn't know what he is talking about.
@@SeanGibson94 What about Emo Elévatór? Can he beat Sauron?
@@samsschool3639 I think Emo-boy already spanked Sauron when he brought down Numenor
Huan already beat Sauron so hes earned his place
@@justincharles2662 Huan beats Sauron. Sauron fanboys: "THAT DIDN'T COUNT!!!"
This list makes no sense since all the mentioned characters except for Tom Bombadil did not operate during 3rd age. They were either dead, or imprisoned or just somewhere far away. Probably that's why Sauron became the next dark lord, since there was no opposition. And during the time while he was The Dark Lord, he was the most powerful being of Middle earth.
The Third Age was not part of the criteria, so that is a meaningless criticism.
I kinda agree with you, but Ecthelion killed 2 balrogs and then Gothmog, the Lord of the Balrogs before dying. Fingolfin kiled one balrog and died from his wounds. So, why was he taken to Aman but not Ecthelion?
@@turtuhl Fingolfin was High King of the Noldor and fought Morgoth himself… not just a Balrog.
I feel Luthien should have been right on the top of that list...
Feanor could have taken him. The ring wasn't all that shiney afterall.
Totally not biased... >_> just ignore the Gothmog bit.
Tom Bombadil is Äule ffs. He created metals and stuff that’s why the ring doesn’t affect him.
Having a bunch of elves defeat him kinda takes away much of the threat he poses though. If we're talking a Sauron who was weakened by Eru himself, while on Númenor, then yeah sure. But who is to say that Sauron wouldn't be able to wound Morgoth 10 times? And do more than cripple him. The thing with Sauron is that he would find a way to even the odds against a stronger foe. So even if these elves might be stronger, that doesn't mean they can defeat him. Especially not in the long run, a win against him 1v1 only means so much.
Just because he avoids direct confrontations, it doesn't mean that he isn't a force to be reckoned with, if pushed into such a situation. As for Bombadil, I feel like that old coot would just get maced to death in one hit. And he would just embrace it with a smile, not even bothering to defend himself. Because that wouldn't be the end of him. He's above the concept of death. For all we know, he might have died a Million times.
There is not much to say about the others, Sauron's spirit might have won over Gothmog's before entering Arda. But that's about it. After entering, he would have had to treat Gothmog with the same caution as these elves. And arguably Lúthien and Galadriel too.
Morgoth is by far my favorite and honestly i like him way more then sauron i feel like sauron didnt really compare to what melkor did because melkor fought powerful beings that were like gods and was defeated by them mean while sauron losed to a elf and a man also to two hobbits that threw his ring into the fire i mean come on morgoth is a beast but sauron is a really good evil character but doesnt compare to melkor hes the definition of pure evil because melkor wanted to destroy all life while sauron wanted to rule just middle earth.
Power is sooo relative in Tolkiens world :) Fate and prophecies often wield much more "power".
You know that Luthien, Fingolfin and other were BLONDE
Luthien definitely for me,huan the hound def melian as well ungoliant fingolfin galadrial probably.
I would add Melian the Maia, she is said to be as strong, if not, stronger than Sauron, expecially in magic
Bilbo in his prime could have taken Sauron by himself!
Source: The Fellowship of the Ring, Book 2, Chapter 2: The Council of Elrond. (Page 263 in my edition, almost at the end of the chapter)
Bilbo assumed the Wise looked to him to destroy the Ring. Boromir began to laugh because he didn’t know anything about Bilbo. Gloin smiled in his fond memories. Everyone else looked on “with grave respect.”
It would be over in one mace hit. Pancake Baggins.
Tolkien experts states that Sauron in second age of sun was stronger than Melkor at the end of the first age.
Well, Melkor had is feet hewn from under him, he was bound with a chain, judged, and then cast out as a harmless spirit into the void. So it isn't that Sauron got stronger. Melkor lost everything.
Is this before or after Morgoth was thrown into the Door of Night? I was going to say all of the Valar, lol, but I know they left Middle Earth. Maybe all of the maia as well. Some of the first elves.
Gandalf the white said he is most powerful in Middle Earth except for Sauron, so at the time of Fellowship of the ring all these 10 being were dead or not in Middle Earth, else by same logic Eru should be in top 10 too.
Fairly certain that Luthien could have beat Sauron on her own. She nearly defeated Morgoth. If all the forces against Morgoth had been on the same page instead of working against one another, they would have found a way to defeat him.
Maybe even the Balrog of Moria was more powerful than Sauron. Balrog also possessed magical abilities as cited in the book.
@@oguzhanenescetin5702 Durin's Bane was wounded. Why did Durin's Bane go from chasing and attacking Gandalf, to running away from Gandalf? He was wounded (And if you say Durin's Bane was not wounded by the fall, I'm not even going to respond - had this stupid conversation so many times with Sauron d-riders).
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if u include silmarillion, sauron would be a creep a creep lmao
Any man with a broken sword can kill him
yea black dragons are pretty scary in all universes.
4:10 pretty sure he only killed gothmog and not other balrogs....
I now summon the power of darkness…to resurrect our dark-lord Sauron, that he may return to middle earth and exercise dominance over all earthly beings and rule us all! Hahahaha
You have no power here, Servant of Morgoth! You are nameless! Faithless! Formless! Go back to the Void from whence you came!!!
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I dare say not even MorGoth could control or corrupt Tom bomb!
Corrupted or controled can be only those who seeking power or surviving. Whatever that thing Tom is, he didnt cared about any of that.
What about Emo Elévatór? Can he beat Sauron?
He kinda did. He just sent an orphan, his gardener and a hobo to do it for him.
@@Sandlund93 Which one's the hobo? 🤣
@@samsschool3639 Well, Gollum was a hobo for more than 500 years. That makes him the hobo of hobos basically. The hoboest hobo in all of fiction probably.
Anybody else think that was the daedric dog from Skyrim on the title screen? 😂
Tom Bombadil poems far more old than Silmarillion manuscript it self.
Fëanor is a legendary figure, both as a craftsman and a warrior, and his willpower and fire would make him one of the few capable of facing Sauron with the One Ring. However, Sauron, with the Ring, is more than just a powerful foe-he is a near godlike being, capable of overwhelming even the greatest of warriors through a combination of physical force, sorcery, and manipulation.
While Fëanor would undoubtedly put up a heroic and valiant fight, Sauron with the One Ring would likely emerge victorious. The Ring’s power would give Sauron too many advantages-enhanced physical abilities, overwhelming sorcery, and the ability to erode Fëanor’s will over time. Fëanor’s pride and fiery spirit, though incredible, would likely not be enough to overcome the combined might of Sauron and the One Ring.
In the end, Sauron with the Ring would overpower Fëanor, though the battle would be a legendary contest of will and power. Fëanor might resist longer than most, but the Dark Lord, with the One Ring in his grasp, would likely emerge as the victor.
1. Tolkien lost me with the Fingolfin vs. Morgoth fight. Fin should have been a gnat to him. Morgoth was the greatest (individually) of all the Valar. That one just never computed.
2. Best old school match: Tom Bombadil vs Ungoliant. Who wins?
I wonder what his DND stats would be. At least +5 to charisma lol
how is Luthien always ignored lmao? She's a damn half-angel for goodness sake
I found it hard to understand the narrator
Glorfindel would absolutely rock him
I think Olorin could’ve taken Sauron down if allowed to use full power I mean he defeated a balrog in his weakest form
I think Eonwe, the Maia who was also herald of Manwe, could have defeated Sauron.
Ok how do you people think Gothmog could take Sauron? The dude fell into some water and never reconstituted his form in Arda.
*Ecthelion kamikaze*
Gothmog: 💀
I can tell you rn that Gothmog can definitely defeat Sauron! And as far as Ungoliant yeah she would do the same to him as she did to Morgoth except for Sauron can't cry for Balrogs.
Eonwe was also clearly stronger than all other maiar including Sauron
well measurement is kinda inaccurate. for example tulkas is much more stronger than prime melkor in terms of overall strenght but melkor is mightier and more powerful than tulkas. If you gonna focus on only physical strength and combat abilities then tulkas and eonwe probably could outperform everything on arda thats dosen't meant they are strongest beings.