Shadowing Technique
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2024
- Here is my take on the language learning technique of shadowing.
Timelines:
0:03 What is shadowing technique?
1:31 The way I dedicate my time to the language.
2:30 My perspective on shadowing.
3:30 A language learning technique has to be meaningful for you.
6:03 The reason I personally find shadowing tiring.
6:44 Be a language individualist.
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Shadowing is a technique to build reflex. Like an athlete repeating the same moves to be able to perform them naturally without much thinking. An dancer repeating the same moves to be able to dance naturally.
We learn to talk your own language by repeating what people said to us and eventually get a fell for it.
This is the most essential and important tool that humans have to learn any skill.
I'm fluent at reading and good at listing English so I don't have problems with vocabulary and grammar. But was still not able to talk. Shadowing is helping a lot. After 2 months of 15 minutes practice everyday I can output what I'm thinking better and naturally because I'm starting to do it be reflex. Listing and intonation improved a lot as well.
Currently using it for English and Japanese. It's super efficient if you already have a good vocabulary, grammar and little opportunities to speak with others in the target language.
I respectfully disagree, if you have good basic vocabulary and grammar in the language you're learning it's better to throw yourself in a conversation with a native through skype or any avenue that you can find to make international friends. It's faster, it encourages the understanding of subtle nuances in the language and it's way more fun. Btw, English is not my native language and I'm very comfortable with it in written and spoken form. I have read a ridiculous amount of books and that helped me perfect my grammar and spelling but in terms of speaking it took me only a few weeks of chatting with a native speaker. Your mouth catches up with your brain pretty easily if you're already at an advanced stage in the target language.
I think both shadowing and real time conversation have their own pros and cons. With shadowing, you can do it anytime you want without having to set a common time. (But of course, you can post your voice recordings on HelloTalk or the like) With real time conversation, you are forced to make your OWN sentences, which I think is the end goal of speaking. The downside of real time conversation is that the topics will be very limited due to vocabulary and grammar limitation, and that the native speaker may not have the patience to listen. (Unless that person is paid to do it. Well, if you've got the money to spend, why not?)
Agree.
SoulGuitarMetal Hi! This comment is 2 years old, I would like to know if after this comment you continued improving your accent and pronunciation by shadowing? I'm an English learner too and I want to have an American Accent and I would like know if you recommend shadowing for improving my accent and pronunciation. Thank You, I hope you answer.
@@boohyaah9339 I used to shadow the standard American accent at 2x on UA-cam every night until I fall asleep, improvement is quite subtle initially and then one day you just stop trying to speak correctly, words just come outta your mouth automatically. People stop complimenting ya cuz you're so natural innit.
You know, I have never made it through a whole Pimsleur lesson without falling asleep. I have tried it at different times during the day, weekends and during my holidays and I always fall asleep. The good thing is that now I have something that helps me fall asleep when I am not tired and need to rest.
lmao
I ALWAYS have to be walking or doing some kind of exercise while doing Pimsleur or it knocks me out halfway through a lesson, too. I got so annoyed at one point that I kept only getting partway through a lesson and I’d end up repeating the same one for days until I finally got through the whole thing.
That is because it is a workout for the brain. When I first started about 14 years ago, I could not simply get through a whole lesson because it was way too much to take in, so I had to stop half way through and process. Practice or Immersion would always make me sleepy, but I learned Spanish very quickly by doing a Pimsleur style course until I was sleepy. I would sleep for a few hours, if it was day, or for the night and go right back to it studying non stop.
At first, I could not watch tv in my target language with focus and intent for more than 5 minutes without getting extremely drowsy. Later it was 15minutes. Then there were these stages little by little the rhythms would become a bit more clear.
Watching TV in my target language still makes me very sleepy if I spend time focusing, but the more I do, the stronger my mind becomes. The brain is a muscle and the reason you get sleepy is because the brain is reworking and repairing itself.
I have used (and still use) several techniques and shadowing is unquestionably the most effective in the early stages of the learning process. The great thing about it is that after shadowing a chapter a few times it stays echoing in your head.
I perceive that your motivation for language learning is JOY rather than work, and it really reflects in your attitute towards the entire process. I am very impressed with what I have heard thus far!
Hello Stive, I don't do shadowing but I do memorize short dialogues. I learned the clarinet for most of my life, and I find this practice similar to learning a page of music. Language must be learned as a skill not just knowledge, you know that. I find shadowing stupid, but what I do is very very similar. I recite the dialogue I learned. And if I am very restless I will even walk while reciting, it keeps my subconscious form vacillating, usually after 10 minutes I can continue sitting down.
You can use "YouGlish" to search specific words whose are causing you troubles. YouGlish is a web page where you can search any word or phrase on UA-cam in a bunch of languages.
@TheMinisterofDefence Thanks for the kind words.
I'm a "alloco" and after 6 months on lingq I went to Australia and could to keep a conversation in a good level...I know that there is a long run 'till become fluent but I will enjoy this journey...thanks Steve
Let's buy Steve a dishwasher for his birthday so he can have more time :-)
I use shadowing with the Assimil Russian "sans peine" course. I think it has a great impact on my pronunciation. Somehow I find I can actually pronounce the material more quickly and clearly while I'm shadowing than when I'm not! I guess my mouth can follow my ears better than my eyes, lol.
Great video thank you. I find shadowing works really well for me. It helps me listen more actively and I'm more engaged
You are a voice of reason in the vast sea of noise surrounding language learning. Thank you for always presenting such a well-reasoned assessment of various learning methods.
Ded, you're very right and i think Dr. aguelle's shadowing method can be modified to fit whatever the person's needs are. i kind of discovered the method off-hand on my own while doing what Steve recommends which is listening to audio-books. i started doing it after i got tired of just listening and i wanted to read along with the narrator, so began like that. i believe its effective for all range of language acquisition. i personally don't subscribe to walking around doing it or anything else.
Hello professor
Thank you so much for your help and advice.
I really appreciate your job. I wish you peace and happiness under the sky of prosperity.
All the best.
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The fact about shadowing technique. I've been using the shadowing technique since 1989, and no one told me about it. I just started intuitively doing it myself. it didn't developed by the American Professor Mr. Alexander Arguelles, as he says. If you delve deeper into the history of religion, you can find reliable facts and evidence that accurately confirm that both the bilingual translation method and the shadowing technique were used more than 1500 years ago.
I would love you to please guide me to where I can find out. Thank you
Thx for you ....and agree with in this Mr ....Yes I prefer listening to a video or listen to it while have subtitle in english in same video ...or only just listen and then read a book .
The world has changed so much my friend.
How so?
@@bigbobabc123 how easy it is to learn a language online.
@@smejes1 what do you think the best way to learn a European (eg Spanish) language is? If you’re a native English speaker.
@@bigbobabc123 I am currently learning spanish as a native english speaker myself. I think the best way to learn is subjective. I use apps and speak to native spanish speakers. You?
@Francydpp When I mention others in my viedos, like Dr. Arguelles, it is to provide information to viewers and make them aware of other resources.
Most people use LingQ free of charge to learn languages, some people pay for additional services. Many people like LingQ, but you don't. No problem, but that does not make these people "allocos". And since you consider LingQ worthless, why offer advice on pricing.
Just out of curiosity, what do you do in life?
An adult needs to babble just like a baby. When you're listening, occasionally try to mimic as closely as possible parts of words, whole words, or even whole sentences as you advance. There's no real reason to do this in the very early stages, actually you probably shouldn't. Listen for a while first.
To me, this video is just Steve not able to change his methods of learning. I don't see that as a bad thing, since Steve obviously is making progress in other languages, however, I don't really see any harm in adding additional tools to the tool box. That being said, everyone has their preferences, so at the end of the day, I'm glad Steve saw the need to address this topic based on the input of others. :D
grimslider75 I don't really understand why I should change the way I learn languages. I enjoy what I do. I enjoy just reading and listening and acquiring words and learning about other cultures. Along the way I pick up the language. I enjoy the process. I am not interested in adding tools to my box. Others enjoy others processes. To me language learning is about discovery and enjoyment, not about utilitarian learning tasks.
Steve Kaufmann - lingosteve
I apologize for knocking you Steve, because in the end, my interest in language learning stems from my interest in variety and experimentation. I just recently heard of shadowing from Alexander Arguelles, so, being subscribed to you 1st, decided to see your thoughts on the topic. After discovering that you don't favor this method as much as I do, merely points to that fact that our interests differ. I'm sorry, I wish I had worded my original post differently.
I'm learning Korean, my 1st foreign language at the moment, so I was glad to learn about another method or tool to try out. I too am interested in the discovery and enjoyment of Korean, but I differ slightly in that I enjoy connecting with others moreso than learning the language. To me, learning languages is just a means to that end.
Passive learning ( reading and listening...) it's what I do in German...( no time for me to entre regular classes) yet I do consider myself THE ETERNAL A1-A2 at most for the past 12 years...I review Duolingo from time to time but...Since (this is my opinion only) I do passive ways to learn it I guess I don,t advance at all....por otra parte, aprendí inglés viviendo 9meses en Seattle Wa. Y claro tomando clases de inglés como segunda lengua.... Por mi mala experiencia con Aleman y la buena con Ingles temo que la única manera de avanzar en mi caso sería vivir en Alemania sin embargo ya tengo 50 años ....I am a Doctor and support my Family...so it is not more about me anymore due to my resposabilities ..
Thanks for the video. At the end of the day you and Dr. Arguelles have both accomplished the same thing, multiple languages. So yes, I agree, do what clicks with You!
Very interesting, your techniques of learning match my own favourite methods exactly.
Shadowing something from anime with weeb friends is one way to get through for me, then we talk about it and analyze the words and sentences and then it somehow becomes natural for us. Sadly, we never came to a point where we could speak in pure Japanese because we all separated after high school.
Hello professor
Thank you so much for your priceless advice and interesting guidance.
I really appreciate your job.
Keep going on.
I wish you peace and happiness under the sky of prosperity.
My biggest problem with comprehensible input is getting to the point where you can find content that is actually interesting to read and listen to that you can understand. No grown adult wants to watch the equivalent of Teletubbies in a foreign language (or any language for that matter). For a language similar to your native language, it's not so much of an issue, but as an English speaker learning Japanese, it's a monumental issue. I'm using Satari Reader and LingQ, but even then, I would much rather watch/listen than read.
Oh my friend, with me it is the exact opposite, when learning korean in the stage i am now I can’t find too much of listening content that is comprehensible. However, there is a lot - or at least some- content good for my level and interesting regarding the reading, so i hope that, while i practice my reading, my comprehensible grows to a point that i can understand more the listening part. It’s not a crazy idea because i did the same with english and it worked very well.
Just for comparison, Two months ago i could find some materials that were very funny to watch but now that my level has improved these materials became kinda boring, that’s why im focusing in reading now. I don’t see this as problem and i think even if you don’t find anything in your level now just keep going, somehow you will find something or little by little you will get enough input to just find new ones which seems difficult now.
AMAZING! MANY THANKS
Thanks Marcelo and glad to hear your happy with your English!
Thank you very much for your great videos! Keep it up!
1. Remember shadowing must be done at the SAME TIME as the model is speaking and without "gaps" in the recording (i.e. NOT Pimsleur!). This means that it is very hard at first but gradually gets easier -- this fact alone is IMO what makes it easier to notice improvement in your listening/comprehension - i.e. if it is easier to shadow, then it must mean that your listening/comprehension has improved. 2. IMO Shadowing cannot be used "on its own" - you must study the material you shadow using other techniques. Personally I like to shadow the audio of lessons that I've already learned to improve my "feel" for the language
thought2007 doesn't have to be done at the SAME time....there should be a short pause so that the learner can hear himself.
@LittleLangs
I see your point.
In Japan many people say that shadowing is the greatest way to learn foreign languages.
But I can't help getting bored while I am doing it.
Will you tell me how you can enjoy the method if you don't mind me asking ? (No offense at all. Just curious.)
Same for me i tested that when i go to work at bike and is not good idea. I preffer to sit somewhere and doing. Or i doing it when i have my break at my work
I actually think Pimsleur is nice, but it don't teach you an entire language of course. It teaches you to pronounce quite well, and I use it for French, but I get to learn how to pronounce many French words from the multitude of songs that I listen and enjoy. Asking,"Hey, where are you from?" a thousand times isn't that fun. I think learning a language should be an enjoyment, and should be done at the learner's own pace.
Hi Steve. I tried shadowing and it is so hard to stay engaged when there isn’t a meaningful idea exchanged. Like just now I attempted to repeat the words you just spoke in English. Because I am a fluent English speaker, I couldn't decide which words to repeat, so I repeated the first few words oder die Wörter um die zweite Position.
The issue for me with this one is how do I know if I am doing it right or not?
nice, very nice I love your sites lingq.. thank so lot.......
there is some obfuscation here I think:
speaking after having heard something
and
speaking at the same time while also reading the text (good for accent reduction)
2:47 "It´s a bit like Pimsleur".
Shadowing has nothing to do with Pimsleur in my opinion. I´m pretty sure that you don´t understend how shadowing should be done since you said you´ve tried it in your car.
He didn't mean they are similar methods. Your observation is completely out of context.
Juan Gonzalez
Do I said he did mean they are similar? No. Please read again my msg.
Shadowing is like Pimsleur only in the sense that these are methods that many people like and swear by, and I don't like and don't do, since I enjoy learning by listening to and reading interesting things.
Ok, I got it. But to say that you made some occasionally Shadowing in your car said to me that you made it without headphones and this is a critical part of the method. Without headphones your own voice trouble you.
Steve Kaufmann - lingosteve I'm like you: I can't bear it if I'm not interested. However, in my case I enjoy Pimsleur, because I clearly see myself improving in an effortless way. Maybe Pimsleur is more appealing to more amateurs in language learning. Thanks for being plain honest about it Steve! You're an inspiration.
@sk8brice91 The word you missed was "attitude". Don't feel bad. I had to replay that part to get it. Steve is an excellent speaker but like us all he can stumble over a word once in a while.
Your language-learning needs sound very similar to my own !
I am doing shadowing and I shadow you.
I tried shadowing technique and it didn't work for me so I listen and After listening I read what I have listen with native speaker in Skype
How long do you suggest to read and learning phrases........in context. until i Should try to start to focuse on grammier. I'm learning french . Have been trying for several years recently realized this past year that I learned the wrong way which was ,I would break sentences down into groups and try to learn vocab lists. Now I realize this was no good. but thats what my teachers had taught me in the past. would you say. Now Ive been trying to learn phrases and just reading. And listening and speaking. whens a good time to introduce grammier 6months in? ive been at it since high school and am now 34.
I really hope you can reply me, recently I have been anxious,, I think I can not do well in learning English.. recently, I learn shadow with "desperate housewives" acting as one of the star. Am I right?
shan li stick to whatever you enjoy
I would love to get into shadowing, but I fall behind way too easily. I just can't seem to shadow anything!
ive been listening to mandarin my whole life (part of a chinese household) but i cant speak it because i simply do not have the confidence to start. could shadowing be a good way to build confidence?
Yes, I actually started shadowing Mandarin a few years ago for a month as a beginner and even though I only has a small amount of vocabulary, I was told by a Chinese man on the street that my grammar was really good 😁😁😁
Dr. Arguelles is a God, you are only a preacher...
Well, he's not a bore unlike your "god" and he doesn't speak like a robot either.
Fronika that's irrelevant. One might be boring and very intelligent in some other ways.
***** no, that's called a metaphor. Google it.
***** ahahaha
Arguelles is made out of wood.
how to pratice shadowing technique?
Does anyone have experience of Russian accelerator? Good/bad/comments anyone? Many thanks.
This video has little to do with shadowing techniques... Changing the title would get the right audience to watch this video.
Steve, how can you judge Shadowing when you yourself have said that you have never properly attempted to do it. Watch Professor Arguelles "Shadowing Step by Step" video. You claim to have done it in the car and so forth, that really is only a fraction as effective as doing it properly.
I am not interested in walking around talking to myself. I learn for fun, and that means focusing on content of interest to me, reading and listening.
Well that's exactly what shadowing is, listening and reading; and you're not required to walk around haha. Shadowing can be done with an audiobook and the physical book or a podcast and transcript. All you do is listen to it and read it at the same time while reading aloud, once you're able to do this well you will be able to do it without the text. It's highly effective if you actually try it. Alexander Arguelles is far more accomplished than any other living polyglot I've read about or heard of. Therefore, I trust that his methods are effective and I try to use them.
I don't read out loud. I read for interest and study languages for interest.
As a way to help you speak a language, (i.e. to communicate in and use a language), shadowing is a complete and utter waste of time. It may help you parrot phrases but this isn't how communication works in the real world.
It may help you develop a wider vocabulary, but you'd develop a wider vocabulary much more quickly by focusing on comprehending reading and listening materials, or by using spaced repetition and other memory techniques. All shadowing does is to give you (and people watching you) the impression that you can speak a language, but as much as you might sound like you can speak the language, it is just parroting, not communicating, and parroting is a pretty useless skill to have.
Wrong. It has been proved that shadowing is a good way to be more fluent
When you shadow, you will likely not be able to follow every words, that's the word you don't know or you don't know real sound. So shadowing works for listening. But you can get listening ability by just careful listening too.
Some interpreters say I shadow until I completely memorize. It definitely works, but in that case, repeating until you memorize is much better. You can memorize phases with right intonation and pitch accent. But this is matter of preference. I don't shadow unless when I want to exercise mouth muscle.
When it comes to pronunciation, It's not good. You need to watch pronunciation video and listen explanation and practice each sound.
And you need to practice making sentences for speaking skill.
Argüelles = ar-GWE-yes, non ? =p
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Sir do you know Hindi or Bengali?
Maybe next but I have a lot on my plate. Not at present.
You're giving misleading information to us.
Shadowing is crucially important especially for beginners.
Go for it! To each his own.
boya kkey
Unnecesary rude comment.
Claudia Ferrero I respect Steve. I've been watching his videos for about 8 years. I like them and learned lots of things from him.
I don't believe I'm rude or offensive.
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