8 Cheap Houses In Italy 🇮🇹 (Only 7% Income Tax 💰)

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  • Did you know you can also retire to Italy and pay only 7% income tax?
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    • Rules for 7% income tax
    • The 8 regions where it's available
    • A cheap house in EACH REGION
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    🔗 Puglia: www.gate-away....
    🔗 Abruzzo: www.gate-away....
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 383

  • @traveltirement
    @traveltirement  11 місяців тому +20

    🔗 Here's the link for finding the population of Italian towns and villages → esploradati.istat.it/databrowser/#/it
    When you find a house you like in one of the 8 regions that have the 7% tax, check to make sure they are under 20,000 population!

    • @ciclurieconomice8494
      @ciclurieconomice8494 10 місяців тому

      you have to corelate with the net income of the regions.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  10 місяців тому

      @@ciclurieconomice8494 I'm not sure I understand. Can you clarify? Thanks.

    • @carlosv8119
      @carlosv8119 10 місяців тому

      fantastic Italian government website to track demographics and population !!

    • @mariavita7536
      @mariavita7536 3 місяці тому

      Because my relatives live there.

    • @stasstas8872
      @stasstas8872 2 місяці тому

      outdated

  • @saintpreferred9223
    @saintpreferred9223 7 місяців тому +5

    Something else to remember...if you buy a house/flat/etc in Italy, you better make sure it screams resale. Because if it doesn't you will NEVER be able to sell it if you want to, there are so many properties in Italy for sale that are not really that good...the ones that can easily be resold are more like 300K and above...but that's still much less than homes in the USA....and Italian rennovation is not really an option....it could take you a long time to rennovate something--a very long time.

  • @timmaloney6441
    @timmaloney6441 11 місяців тому +9

    Lecce is known as the Florence of the south . I love that home in Soleto , a Bargain . Thanks for posting the links to the properties . very useful .

  • @critogni
    @critogni 11 місяців тому +5

    Great video and great info! We've taken advantage of this, having moved to Campania region. We love it!

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching!
      What is the cost of living like for you?

  • @ORLANDO-SUSY
    @ORLANDO-SUSY 2 місяці тому

    Good afternoon Tommy thank you for having all these videos. My family lives in Lazio. I just retired from law enforcement and live with retired hubby in key west, florida, We hope to move to italy next year as the US is too expensive as far as taxes and insurance, etc.

  • @antoniosusino4628
    @antoniosusino4628 5 місяців тому +2

    My concerns are always the hospitals in Sicily I'm from the south east coast and the best hospital is like 2 hours away and if you need something more specific like heart or needs more care you need to go up north like Milano or Rome so crazy its happened to my family in Pozzallo. Antonio

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  5 місяців тому

      Always important to have a hospital fairly close. Thanks for watching!

  • @chrisduymich1972
    @chrisduymich1972 10 місяців тому +2

    This was an incredibly insightful and informative video. And the properties you found in each area are gems! Please make more!

  • @skranz7790
    @skranz7790 11 місяців тому +4

    One point of clarification. To qualify for this income tax incentive, you must receive some sort of retirement pension to qualify. If you meet that requirement, your other forms of income would also be taxed only at the flat rate. This means that you can also have a job and receive income from it that is only taxed at 7%, provided you're getting those pension payments, and your job income is foreign-sourced. Having a job does not disqualify you from the program.The things that disqualify you are: 1. Not having some sort of pension; 2. Locating to a town that does not qualify; and/or 3. Having been a legal tax resident of Italy at any time within the past 5 years.
    What's also interesting is that if you're've spent a couple or few months in Italy regularly for the past 5 years or any length of time, really, but never stayed past the 180 day mark and never became a tax resident, then you could still decide to now spend more time in Italy, become a tax resident, locate to a qualifying town, and be eligible for the incentive.

    • @thurianknight
      @thurianknight 11 місяців тому +2

      @skranz7790, I have not seen info saying that you can still work under the 7% regime as long as you are also drawing on a qualifying pension. Do you have a source for that?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому +5

      Everything I've seen says specifically all income must be passive. You CANNOT get income from working.
      • Social Security
      • pensions
      • investment returns
      • dividends
      • rental income
      I'm not an immigration attorney, but if you have some sort of employment income, you'd want to verify that it's okay first. I don't think it is.
      Passive owner income from a business may work, but don't quote me on that!

    • @skranz7790
      @skranz7790 11 місяців тому

      @@traveltirement I'm 100% certain that you can shield foreign sourced business income under the 7% tax regime. UA-cam won't allow me to post a link here. But, you can search the information provided by the Italian tax firm Studio Legale Metta located in Bari, Italy, that stipulates all the different types of income that are shielded by the program as long as those are in conjunctiom with some sort of regular prnsion income as well.
      In actual fact there are also other Italian tax programs that will even allow you to have a job in Italy and shield 70% of that income from taxation. Though you cannot elect to use both tax incentives at the same time.

    • @skranz7790
      @skranz7790 11 місяців тому +4

      @@thurianknight Yes. Check out the Italian tax firm Studio Legale Metta located in Bari Italy.

    • @skranz7790
      @skranz7790 11 місяців тому +1

      @TommySikes My pleasure.

  • @donnaanderson5669
    @donnaanderson5669 11 місяців тому +2

    Yes that's a nice view I like mountains and streams

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      Me too. Nothing better to me than a deck/terrace/patio with a view of mountains. Especially when you can watch the sunset!

  • @sydiuk
    @sydiuk 11 місяців тому +1

    I'm not an American retiree, but your video is just nice with useful description of the real estate situation in the areas you described.

  • @clefnoteproductions6695
    @clefnoteproductions6695 3 місяці тому

    Thanks for this very helpful information. I hope to move to Italy soon. This will help narrow down my options 😊

  • @DeanRamser
    @DeanRamser 21 день тому

    Bonjourno, Tommy! Thank you for the informative videos. We are now considering moving to Italy with the Elective Retirement Visa (ERV). The 7% towns look good for our needs: bring a paintbrush, hammer, and trowel. Since the Portland condo market is down, we will rent our condo and visit the country in the spring. Grazie! Dean & Cindy
    *Update: Italy looks too hilly for us; we are back in France.

  • @leetsy5948
    @leetsy5948 10 місяців тому +1

    Amazing properties! My dream of moving to a small town in Italy!! Retirement is only a few years away and definitely contemplating this move. I'd like something more rural though.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  10 місяців тому +2

      I’m a fan of the countryside and mountains myself!

    • @bettyb1581
      @bettyb1581 7 місяців тому

      Same here

    • @carolsardinha507
      @carolsardinha507 4 місяці тому

      Think about where you want to live as you age: rural areas may not be good options if you get to a point where you cannot or would prefer not to drive.

  • @annaharpster5664
    @annaharpster5664 4 місяці тому

    Another very informative video. Thank you for sharing details on the 7% tax. Yes - we would LOVE to see more videos like this. Grazie mille!

  • @kathleenthomas5045
    @kathleenthomas5045 9 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for sharing all of your knowledge. I so want to move there, permanently. I hope very soon.

  • @saintpreferred9223
    @saintpreferred9223 7 місяців тому +1

    Also know that the 7% tax you pay on your US income, you can DEDUCT that amount from the total of your Fed income tax bill. So, generally, you will divide your annual tax bill between 2 countries, but pay no more that you normally would just living in the USA. Make SURE to establish residence in a tax-free US state before doing any of this, so your state will never come asking for state income tax--because they will. If you have TAX-FREE income in the USA (say municipal bonds or muni bond funds), it will be included in the income that is subject to Italian tax because Italy says if its passive and puts money in your pocket, its subject to Italian tax (unlike the USA on that). Greece has the same program, EXCEPT it applies to the entire country with no population restrictions, and is good for 15 years. The EU doesn't like any of this, because they don't want people with money moving to EU member states and saving money on taxes--that threatens the EU system of socialism. That's why a similar program in Portugal was recently discontinued--the socialist Portugal president caved in to the EU paymasters....

  • @bubblesthecorgis
    @bubblesthecorgis 4 місяці тому +1

    Very well explained, my dream in 13 years. Thank you for wonderful content 👍👍👍 what is the tax percentage for non regions houses just wondering.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  4 місяці тому +2

      The regular income tax in Italy is progressive, starting at 23% (up to €28,000), then 35% (€28,001-50,000), and the top rate is 43% (over €50,000).

  • @mikevolante7663
    @mikevolante7663 5 місяців тому +1

    Great vid Tommy, i love the relevant details around tax n stuff. Top draw. I currently receive your emails

  • @marilynnarnold811
    @marilynnarnold811 24 дні тому

    Love it!!! Thanks!

  • @MyLatinLife
    @MyLatinLife 11 місяців тому +2

    Good intel!!

  • @voiceyourresilience209
    @voiceyourresilience209 11 місяців тому +1

    Should also check the seismic zone and if there's a train station that serves the village. You really should be fluent too, if you want to assimilate.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому +1

      Great ideas. Agree you should learn some language basics.
      And you’ll become fluent the more time you spend there!

    • @WTHenry2023
      @WTHenry2023 9 місяців тому +2

      I agree with you regarding knowing the language outside of major Italian cities. For instance, I found that in Pisa, outside of the Leaning Tower, very few people spoke English. Fortunately, my knowledge of French helped me comprehend enough Italian to get by.

  • @wasbertramos6498
    @wasbertramos6498 11 місяців тому

    I hope you having a great day I always loved your great information thanks for taking your time and share information with us

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      Thanks for saying that! I appreciate your watching.

  • @michellespezialetti3122
    @michellespezialetti3122 11 місяців тому

    Love the last property you showed. Thanks

  • @HeritageWealthPlanning
    @HeritageWealthPlanning 8 місяців тому

    great video, man! very informative.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  8 місяців тому

      Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching.

  • @mohammedsharif2651
    @mohammedsharif2651 11 місяців тому

    Wow! Very informative video. Thank you 😀🙏👏

  • @nubiareymos3161
    @nubiareymos3161 11 місяців тому +1

    Hi Tommy, Thank you very much for your interesting contributions that help people find places to retire. I am about to retire and thinking to move over Italy, only I am not sure that since I am a widower without children it would be safe for me to make the move. I would love to learn Italian and have the opportunity to just go up and above while living in Italy, South of France or North of Spain. I am in the "search".

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому +1

      Depending on where you are, there are lots of American and British expats in all 3 countries.
      Just like in any country there are spots that tend to have more crime. But in general these are all very safe countries in which to live.

  • @gmog1357
    @gmog1357 11 місяців тому +7

    Tommy, you're awesome. Thanks for putting all this info together. SO helpful.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому +2

      Thanks for saying that! Watch for more detailed videos like this one... 😎

  • @Kim-J312
    @Kim-J312 11 місяців тому +4

    Some states in US have 0% taxes on retirement income. However some other taxes in that state maybe high on side like property tax and taxes on food or products. Some states I wouldn't be interested in living or retiring in, say Iowa doesn't tax retirement income, but it maybe in middle of a corn field and nearest town to shop or medical facilities is 2hrs away . My state also doesn't tax retirement income but very expensive with everything else, so it's a balance

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching and commenting!

    • @jmobing3972
      @jmobing3972 11 місяців тому +1

      You are talking about state income tax. There are several states in the that do not have state income tax, FL being one of them. What Tommy’s video suggests is that Italy’s federal income tax is only 7%. That’s totally different. In the US you are taxed on active and passive income if it’s above a certain amount. If you’re only living on SS then you’re fine in the US, but if you make $100K per year in passive income then I believe you are taxed at that specific tax bracket for short term capital gains, dividends, or rental income. I’m not retired and I’m not sure of all retired taxation, but I do have investment property income that I get taxed on now as earned income since I work full time. I’m not sure how the US would tax citizens that decide to claim residency in Italy. Obviously your passive income would be from SS, pension, and investments in the US, so you may get taxed by both the US and the 7% in Italy. I’m not an accountant, so I’m not sure.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому +4

      @@jmobing3972 The 7% income tax in Italy is a break off their nomal rates, which run from 23%-43%.
      So it's a significant savings if you're moving to Italy already.
      The tax you pay in Italy you get a tax credit for in the US, and vice versa.
      So you're not double taxed.
      But as a citizen of the US you still have to file and pay anything owed in the US.

    • @gonebananas1076
      @gonebananas1076 11 місяців тому +4

      It's the US Healthcare costs that will bankrupt you in retirement. It'd ridiculous to feel you need to leave your country because of crime and the sick care system. But hey, it's Italy! Could be fun 😊

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому +5

      Healthcare is one of the main reasons Americans become expat retirees. Not just Italy, but all over.
      It's embarrassing that the wealthiest nation on Earth has such a poor healthcare/insurance system.
      I'll be making a video about this also...🎥

  • @jonathansargent6224
    @jonathansargent6224 9 місяців тому

    I've always seen different things online about the 7 percent tax rate and whether that applies to a pension. The pension is taxed in the United States where I'm from and some say you would also be taxed again in Italy. Others say your pension would not be because of no double taxation. So I never really get any clarity about it.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  9 місяців тому +1

      I know for the US, if it is taxed in Italy, you get a tax credit on your US return.
      So at least no double taxation on a part.

  • @leonealfa1
    @leonealfa1 8 місяців тому

    Abruzzo is beautiful and I know it well having my grandparents' house

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  8 місяців тому

      Wonderful! Thanks for watching.

    • @LL-ch5ce
      @LL-ch5ce 5 місяців тому

      Are we related?! Is it in L'aquila?

  • @maxwellwellmax878
    @maxwellwellmax878 11 місяців тому

    Just subscribed, Loved the Puglia property but wish it was in Abruzzo 😄

  • @raymondpuccini8352
    @raymondpuccini8352 6 місяців тому

    Health care varies drastically by region in Italy. I leave in Tuscany and the health care is excellent, however, that's not the case everywhere. Just a heads up to consider

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  6 місяців тому

      Thanks. I have heard that. I know there are good medical facilities all over, but important to check about your closest hospital.
      😁

  • @juliannadougherty2647
    @juliannadougherty2647 7 місяців тому

    I'd like to see more coastal properties if you can find them? Also what are your favorite sites for exploring real estate and rental props. Thank you~

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  7 місяців тому

      I always start with Gate-Away.com. www.immobiliare.it/ too for rentals.

  • @marcocarlson1693
    @marcocarlson1693 11 місяців тому +1

    Awesome!

  • @simonliddell1897
    @simonliddell1897 10 місяців тому

    Very helpful thanks

  • @Analog_nomad01
    @Analog_nomad01 10 місяців тому

    Across from Apulia is Albania not Greece. The city you were pointing at is Vlore which has ferries to Bari as does Durres, Albania. Americans can stay in Albania for up to one year on a tourist Visa in Albania.

  • @rickhewitt2885
    @rickhewitt2885 4 місяці тому

    Thanks for the information. Can you please provide me the database for various properties throughout Italy?
    Thank you.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  4 місяці тому

      I start with Gate-Away.com to do property searches.

  • @robertoposa1120
    @robertoposa1120 11 місяців тому

    Yes all right what you say but you also check the - zona sismica - the earthquake risk of the zone - abruzzo is in many places like L‘Aquila in the zone 1 of high risk - there are zone 1-4 from highest to lowest - make sure to check before you buy - there is always a reason for being very cheap - the best region in that respect is the salento region of south puglia.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      Yes, this is something you can check on. But don't be nervous.
      You're WAY more likely to die driving to your property than in an earthquake.
      And driving deaths are WAY less in Italy than the US too. Very rare.

    • @robertoposa1120
      @robertoposa1120 11 місяців тому

      @@traveltirement nevertheless people should consider to have a real estate insurance including floating and earthquake

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      @@robertoposa1120 Absolutely agree there Roberto!

  • @Kleop625
    @Kleop625 5 місяців тому

    In the US after I use my deductions my taxes are minimal on my social security. Why would someone move to Italy and pay 7% tax in a less desirable area with lower quality healthcare and after 10 years you’re basically stuck in that area and your taxes go up significantly. I also heard the infrastructure is terrible and road closures are very common. It looks to me that if Italy wants to entice people to move there because their population is dwindling they shouldn’t restrict where you can live to get a tax break and the tax break should be permanent. For me it is not worth the headache and hassle but thanks for the video and info you provided. It is appreciated.

  • @Helix_Nova
    @Helix_Nova 11 місяців тому +1

    What about the other tax rates? I guess there are tax for your property as well?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      Yes there are taxes when buying the property. I'll do another video on that.
      The % rate depends on various factors. Keep watching!

  • @gailhanks2065
    @gailhanks2065 5 місяців тому

    Beautiful properties

  • @mariaeugenia7599
    @mariaeugenia7599 11 місяців тому

    Agnone receives quite a lot of snow.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for that. I had heard the mountain areas of Molise can get quite a bit! ❄️☃️

  • @Suz-zy3jd
    @Suz-zy3jd 3 місяці тому

    Can you send the information on the Puglia property and area? Thanks!!

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  3 місяці тому

      The property listing should be below the video in the description.
      You’ll see the agents info there.
      Thanks for watching!

  • @Aiisimportanttoeveryone65
    @Aiisimportanttoeveryone65 10 місяців тому

    I have retired last year and dream to live in Italy. I got my social segurity $2,400 monthly.Are you thinking I would live in Italy in one of those town with less than 20.000 people. Really, love it. I speak English and Spanish and learning Portuguese at this time. Please can you answer me. Thank you for this video. God bless you. ❤❤❤❤😊😊

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  10 місяців тому

      The income requirement is €32,000 euros, so that would be about $2,920 per month. So you're close!

  • @evagrowney734
    @evagrowney734 4 місяці тому

    Hi Tommy:
    Please send me the list of areas providing 7% Italian income tax.
    Also....do you know what is the benchmark minimum passive income is required to obtain residency as an Expat retiree?
    LUV YOUR VIDEOS !!!

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  4 місяці тому

      The Elective Residency Visa income requirement is €32,000 per year for a single person. €38,000 for a couple.
      The 8 regions for 7% tax are:
      Abruzzo
      Molise
      Puglia
      Basilicata
      Campania
      Calabria
      Sicily
      Sardinia
      Then a couple dozen individual towns in Lazio, Umbria, and Marche.

    • @josettepiacenti1165
      @josettepiacenti1165 4 місяці тому

      @@traveltirementThanks for the informative video! and you get right to the point; no beating around the bush. You just mentioned some towns in Lazio, Umbria and Marche. I love Urbino, and was there for a summer. How can i find a list of these towns more central and north? I am just starting a possible search; have been to Italy many times. Many thanks.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  4 місяці тому

      @@josettepiacenti1165 The towns are listed in this tax law:
      www.gazzettaufficiale.it/eli/id/2016/10/18/16G00205/sg
      Scroll down the left side to "Allegato 1".
      You'll see the individual towns listed there.

    • @josettepiacenti1165
      @josettepiacenti1165 4 місяці тому

      @@traveltirement thanks so much. I just came across your channel yesterday.

  • @petunia4474
    @petunia4474 3 місяці тому

    Sardinia is excluded from seismic towns.

  • @ellmiller2013
    @ellmiller2013 4 місяці тому

    I plan on moving my family when i retire in about 5 years. Looking to move to Sicily.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  4 місяці тому +1

      Sicily is very affordable! 👍

    • @ellmiller2013
      @ellmiller2013 4 місяці тому

      @@traveltirement what about the gun laws and self defense?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  4 місяці тому +1

      @@ellmiller2013 Firearms laws in Italy are very strict. You need to apply for a firearms license before moving to Italy. All firearms must be registered and licenses renewed on a regular basis.
      I would encourage you to NOT take your guns to Italy.

    • @ellmiller2013
      @ellmiller2013 4 місяці тому

      @@traveltirement not moving there if that is an issue. I will do my due diligence. But, if it is an issue i’ll stay here in the US.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  4 місяці тому +1

      @@ellmiller2013 Probably a good idea. Europeans don't want Americans bringing their gun culture to Europe. They think it's crazy that we can just go buy guns at a "gun store". Which it is.

  • @karenarocks5000
    @karenarocks5000 11 місяців тому

    This was incredibly helpful. Thank you so much. I am interested in Abruzzo, Sardinia and Sicily. I have a teacher's pension and a rental home in Portland, OR. I should qualify for the 7% income. I will be visiting southern Italy in May of 2025. I have a friend in Rome who will hopefully be able to drive with me to the east coast. I would like to check out the Abruzzo region first. Do you recommend renting an apartment near the region one is most interested in before buying property to make sure you like it enough to live there?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      Absolutely. If you can, rent so you can really get the feel for a region.
      It can also give you time to find the right property.
      Thanks for watching!

  • @matteobertoli
    @matteobertoli 6 місяців тому

    I keep reading “you have to receive a pension” everywhere. So what is it? Can I use this if I am not retired, but I have a passive income (dividends) from a US website? Or it’s exclusively for retirees? Thanks!

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  6 місяців тому

      I’m not an immigration lawyer, but my understanding is that you have to have “passive income” from outside Italy.
      • Social Security
      • investment income
      • rental income
      • pension
      But there’s no box to check that says “Are you retired?”
      I know of folks who retired early on passive income without a true pension.
      Italy just wants to know you’re self-sufficient and can bring money in to be spent locally.

  • @carlosv8119
    @carlosv8119 10 місяців тому

    very informative and insightful! question, am i correct in assuming that if choose one of the 8 regions offering the 7% flat tax, any city with population less than 20,000 would qualify? or does it have to be certain identified cities within each of the 8 regions? also, does the 7% flat tax (national), also diminish in like the municipal and regional income taxes?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  10 місяців тому +1

      Any municipality with less than 20k.
      Here’s a good article on the 7% tax regime:
      www.relocate.world/en/articles/Italy-tax-for-pensioners#

  • @kcaso92009
    @kcaso92009 11 місяців тому +1

    Correct me if i'm wrong but I understand in order to own property in italy. Thank you i'm very interested in buying property possibly the end of the year. I'm a widow and I am in the process of selling my home in texas.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому +4

      To buy property in Italy you do not need to be a citizen or a tax resident.
      But to stay more than 90 days at a time, or to retire there, you have to apply for a long stay visa.

    • @kcaso92009
      @kcaso92009 11 місяців тому

      I keep getting those these mixed up. Should I contact the Italian consulate in houston texas before I leave and get that extra visa? ?? I asked that because I'm selling my house and I'm praying that it sells before I leave for Italy. If so, i'd wanna stay longer.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      @@kcaso92009 You must apply for your Italian visa in the US. NOT in Italy.
      If you don’t have it before you go, you’ll have to come back to get it.
      👍

  • @Inkironnrum
    @Inkironnrum 6 місяців тому

    What IF I have enough 💰 to purchase a home outright with enough 💰 to live on? Unemployed in Italy and in the US. My passion hobby is what would keep me busy full time.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  6 місяців тому

      That would work as long as you meet the passive income requirements of the Elective Residency Visa. There are other visas also.
      You have to apply and be accepted. It's not automatic.

  • @g.e.o.r.g.e...
    @g.e.o.r.g.e... 11 місяців тому +1

    Property tax is 1% right?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      If you mean annual property taxes, they usually range from 0.4-0.7%.
      That’s what I’ve read.

  • @SEnricoPIndiogine
    @SEnricoPIndiogine 7 місяців тому

    You mention in the video having a list of all the qualifying municipalities in these regions for the 7% tax rate. Could you please share that with me? TIA

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  7 місяців тому

      It’s actually a database.
      HTTPS://esploradati.istat.it/databrowser/#/it

  • @donnadavis1538
    @donnadavis1538 9 місяців тому

    Can you tell me what the income level is per year to qualify ? I love the last house that you showed and would be extremely interested. Is it 7% taxes on your annual income and how are the utility cost for one person per month approximately ? How many taxes are there, what are the amounys of property tax and any other taxes ? Italy is my heart, I love Florence. I am retired and I am somewhat elderly. I want to live and die in Italy. I would be grateful for any information you can give me. Thank you

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  9 місяців тому

      There a lot of information, but the short answer is:
      • Italy taxes on your worldwide income
      • You would still file in the US (if American) and get a tax credit for what you paid in Italy
      • There are taxes when buying a property (like 4% or 9% depending on residency status)
      • If the house is your primary residence, you pay ZERO property tax
      Subscribe to the newsletter for more info as I make it available: traveltirement.com

  • @tamic193
    @tamic193 9 місяців тому +1

    It is my understanding that there are some villages in Lazio, Umbria, and Marche that also qualify. Do you know if this is accurate?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  9 місяців тому

      Yes this is correct. They are smaller towns that suffered earthquakes many years ago.

  • @robverro566
    @robverro566 6 місяців тому

    Nobody calls Puglia "apulia" in Italy. If you were here during the Roman times, perhaps.

  • @MultiEnzo59
    @MultiEnzo59 29 днів тому

    I am interested the property in campania : St Pietro. thank you Enzo

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  26 днів тому

      Here's the listing with the agent's information to contact:
      www.gate-away.com/properties/campania/caserta/san-pietro-infine/id/628129
      Thanks for watching!

  • @alvaroalvarez5009
    @alvaroalvarez5009 11 місяців тому +1

    Which is the most northern, biggest town that would qualify? Do you need to buy a place or can you rent?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      You can rent but you must have a signed lease or rental contract.
      No hotels or AirBnb.

    • @LightMovies
      @LightMovies 9 місяців тому +1

      I live 40 minutes (by car) from Milan, in a small town called Robbio, which has fast internet in 5G and a train station to go everywhere. I have two farmacies, two supermarkets, a post office and 4 banks in a radius of 1km, and I paid my house 35.000$, renewed. A 80m2 with two bedrooms, a big sitting room, a living kitchen, a big bathroom, a porch, a car box and a 18m2 cellar.
      I'm not saying to drop agencies like Realestate, but if you check the internal italian selling site/agencies you could find good deals.
      I don't even have a car, I reach Milan in 1 hour and 5 minutes by train, with a 5 euro ticket, if I need to go to a big city.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  9 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for sharing. What Italian sites can you find deals like this?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  9 місяців тому

      @LightMovies Thanks for this.
      Would you be up for chatting about your experience?

    • @LightMovies
      @LightMovies 9 місяців тому

      @@traveltirement Do you mean "live", or just here in the comments?

  • @mrbartonconstruction
    @mrbartonconstruction 3 місяці тому

    Do you know if they would tax disability payments from veterans affairs? It is not taxable in US

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  3 місяці тому +1

      If it’s a replacement of income, then yes.
      If it’s reparations from an accident, then no.
      At least that’s my understanding.

  • @user-97475
    @user-97475 7 місяців тому

    Curious to find out if they would tax disability income.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  7 місяців тому

      If it's from Social Security, I'd guess yes.

  • @SabineBeckerPUSH
    @SabineBeckerPUSH 11 місяців тому

    OK, I have passive income from Germany, and I am residing in the United States. I don’t think you ever said how much that passive income has to be? What kind of visa do I have to have to live in Italy for 6 or 7 months? That part really didn’t become clear to me.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      For 2023, the Elective Residency Visa has an income requirement of €31,000 for a single person, or €38,000 for a couple. That's per year.
      You can live in Italy for 6 months (180 days) on just a passport/tourist visa.
      You would just have to split it into 2 x 90 day periods with 90 days in between.
      Otherwise you'd apply for a long-stay visa (the ERV above is just one type).

  • @TheEMWD
    @TheEMWD 6 місяців тому

    Can Canadians take advantage of the 7% income tax? I've heard there's a problem and Canadians do not qualify. How can I find more details on this?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  6 місяців тому

      I would consult with a knowledgeable attorney.
      I know Marco Permunian and he know his stuff.
      italianrealestatelawyers.com/

  • @domedweller1
    @domedweller1 10 місяців тому +1

    maybe someday

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  10 місяців тому

      Just takes some planning and commitment 👍😎

  • @GreatWaterCircus
    @GreatWaterCircus 10 місяців тому

    Thanks...

  • @andrewnoble332
    @andrewnoble332 4 місяці тому

    What does “flat” tax mean: eg means on net income or gross income?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  4 місяці тому

      It means whatever your taxable income is, you'd pay 7% in tax. As opposed to Italy's normal progressive tax brackets, which start at 23%.
      I hope that helps!

  • @fpmarcil
    @fpmarcil 6 місяців тому

    Can I get the list to the database please (town under 20k)

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  6 місяців тому +1

      The database is structured by
      • North Italy vs South Italy
      • Regions
      • Provinces
      • Comuni (towns) ← This has to be under 20k
      Here's the link:
      esploradati.istat.it/databrowser/#/it/dw/categories/IT1,POP,1.0/POP_POPULATION/DCIS_POPRES1/IT1,22_289_DF_DCIS_POPRES1_24,1.0

  • @robverro566
    @robverro566 6 місяців тому

    I think you really need to do some research before making statements. Rome to Pescara is at least 3 hours, exceeding the speed limit.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  6 місяців тому +1

      Google maps says 2 hr 11 min. Sorry if I was off!
      Thanks for watching!

  • @MassimoNojaDeMarco-em6bh
    @MassimoNojaDeMarco-em6bh 3 місяці тому

    Do you need to buy or can you rent ?
    Can income come from Board of Directors compensation ?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  3 місяці тому

      You can 100% rent.
      You’re supposed to have a pension or “passive income”, but all additional income will also get the 7% treatment.

  • @futurekron
    @futurekron 6 місяців тому

    Hey there! I've got a question about what qualifies as "passive income". Are you available for a consult? Thanks!

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  6 місяців тому

      I’m not a tax professional, but my understanding is things like:
      • pension income
      • Social Security
      • rental income (from outside Italy)
      • investment income
      • dividends
      • passive business income
      There may be more than that.
      Thanks for the question!

    • @futurekron
      @futurekron 6 місяців тому

      @@traveltirement It's that "passive business income" thing that I'm curious about! Thanks for the info!

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  6 місяців тому +1

      It’s probably fuzzy. Obviously if you’re doing work inside of Italy, that won’t work.
      But if you have a website making money in the US, that can be justified as passive income.
      A good accountant will know how to approach it.

    • @futurekron
      @futurekron 6 місяців тому

      @@traveltirement thank you!

  • @leonardfrasco3856
    @leonardfrasco3856 4 місяці тому

    If I buy a property in Italy and only live there 5 months out of the year my subject to income tax on my pension?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  4 місяці тому

      Not if you’re not a tax resident. Time spent there is only one factor in determining whether you are.

  • @donnalund770
    @donnalund770 2 місяці тому

    My mother gets social security. Can she bring me with her? I'm disabled but not able to get disability in the states even though I have a handicap sign.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  2 місяці тому

      I believe each family member requires an extra 20% of income. And you may need to be a dependent.

  • @musiccreation1198
    @musiccreation1198 8 місяців тому

    So, after 10 years at 7%, the tax rate returns to Italy's standard rates (23%-43%) ?

  • @jerrycamp4723
    @jerrycamp4723 7 місяців тому

    US expat health care cost to apply to retirement visa?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  7 місяців тому

      Usually a few hundred dollars. Maybe more.

  • @kcaso92009
    @kcaso92009 11 місяців тому

    Still having trouble with that website gate-way. I'm coming to Italy April 2, touring Northern cities 3 weeks, then going south along the coast. I'll be in italy for a total of 3 - months. Want to see 7% tax homes near the coast? I'm a pretty independent retired senior. I'm in the process of selling my house here in Texas.
    My budget is 75,000E . Can you direct me to someone or yourself?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      Copy this link into a browser:
      www.gate-away.com/properties?min_price=20000&max_price=100000¤cy=USD
      You should get a list of properties under $120k all over Italy.
      Zoom in on the map to the places you will visit. You just have to browse and sort based on what you want. Like number of bedrooms, terrace, etc.
      Then you can contact the agent on any properties you like and set up a visit to see the properties.

  • @trudyvaccaro1560
    @trudyvaccaro1560 5 місяців тому

    So I would have to pay income tax from my social security?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  5 місяців тому +1

      Yes you have to pay tax on Social Security benefits.
      But the cost of living is quite low, so you might have a better lifestyle even after paying tax.

  • @gutsandgrittv5076
    @gutsandgrittv5076 2 місяці тому

    Does this apply to Italian citizens abroad?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  2 місяці тому

      Yes. As long as you haven’t been a resident the previous 5 yrs.

  • @dexagalapagos
    @dexagalapagos 11 місяців тому +1

    Are you still subject to the wealth tax though? That's the biggest downside of moving to Italy if you have significant investments.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому +1

      The wealth tax in Italy is very low.
      Real estate = 0.76%
      Financial/bank assets = 0.20%
      This is based on worldwide assets.

  • @ellmiller2013
    @ellmiller2013 4 місяці тому

    I am a retired police officer. I do have some firearms i plan on bringing with me to Sicily. Any issues here with bringing them with?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  4 місяці тому

      You cannot bring guns to Italy unless for a sporting event.
      Italy is much safer that the US because there are fewer guns.

  • @gabrieladramba1663
    @gabrieladramba1663 6 місяців тому

    Hello . Very usefull video. Thx. I am from România and I would like to Invest în a house în italy. I dont need something big and expensive from the bigining but I dont know what to do to purchese a house. If you can help I would be gratefull. Thx

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  6 місяців тому

      I'm making a course about finding and buying a home in Italy. Keep an eye out!

  • @JohnSpo
    @JohnSpo 7 місяців тому

    do the apartments also have monthly fees like maintenance, co-op, HOA?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  7 місяців тому

      Depends on the individual apartment. No simple answer. Sorry.

  • @alexisz9902
    @alexisz9902 3 місяці тому

    Does it apply for Italian citizens born abroad who decide to go to Italy?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  3 місяці тому +1

      Yes, as long as you haven’t been a tax resident for the past 5 yrs.

    • @alexisz9902
      @alexisz9902 3 місяці тому

      Grazie mille 👍

  • @jmobing3972
    @jmobing3972 11 місяців тому +5

    Hi Tommy, does passive rental income from properties in Italy qualify for the 7% taxation or is it only foreign passive income that qualifies? I’m interested in buying vacation rentals in a couple of the regions you highlighted and retiring there. I’ve renovated and flipped multiple homes in the US and would love to do it in Italy.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому +8

      99% sure it has to be foreign sourced income. So rentals in the US would qualify, but not rentals in Italy.
      There are some special tax rules that can reduce income tax in Italy on Italian sources.
      That will be another video 🎥

    • @jackdeniston59
      @jackdeniston59 9 місяців тому

      Good luck renovating here. Research the requirements for low tax.

  • @fedjaporobic7792
    @fedjaporobic7792 5 місяців тому

    Hi Tommy
    Does selling your company fully qualify for this passive income as you can take out the cash over time?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  5 місяців тому

      I would say yes. You just need to demonstrate you can produce income without working.
      The Italian gov't think in terms of "pensions", so you need to frame any income(s) in that way. Doesn't need to be a true pension though.
      I hope that helps!

  • @anneschantl8929
    @anneschantl8929 7 місяців тому

    Could you please send me a link for appropriate residences in Abruzzo. I will qualify to retire in Italy and would like to settle in a village that allows me to pay 7% tax. I will have about €150 000 to spend on a house. Thank you. Greetings from Australia.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  7 місяців тому

      It's a database. You need to search the 8 regions mentioned in the video, then look for towns/villages under 20,000 population.
      Here's the database: esploradati.istat.it/databrowser/#/it

    • @anneschantl8929
      @anneschantl8929 7 місяців тому

      @@traveltirement Thankyou for the database. Regards Anne from South Australia.

  • @larino66
    @larino66 2 місяці тому

    Hi , what would be the income requirement should I retire to italy after living most of my life in Canada , I hold a italian passport and was born in italy also but never resided in italy ever? I would appreciate your input thank you

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  2 місяці тому

      For the Elective Residency Visa, the minimum passive income requirement is €31,000 (or €38,000 for a couple).
      Please note that the Italian consulate in your home country may have discretion on this amount. It's not that you automatically qualify with this amount of passive income.
      That income can be from: pensions (public or private), Social Security, investment returns, dividends, interest, rental income, etc.
      It just can't be money sitting in a bank that you spend down.
      I hope that helps!

    • @larino66
      @larino66 2 місяці тому

      @@traveltirement Hi thank you for your answer , so even if I am a citizen I would still have to apply for a visa ?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  2 місяці тому

      @@larino66 No, sorry. If you have citizenship you just need to register as a tax resident in the local comune.
      You may not need a certain income as a citizen.
      I just don't know much about the citizenship situation!

    • @larino66
      @larino66 2 місяці тому

      @@traveltirement Thank you so much 😊

  • @tonyacerra2329
    @tonyacerra2329 10 місяців тому

    7% doesn’t seem that inexpensive. What percent would it be if you aren’t in one of these areas? More?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  10 місяців тому

      Income tax rates in Italy run from 23% to 43%.
      So 7% is much lower.

  • @paulgraves9542
    @paulgraves9542 11 місяців тому

    Hi Tommy am 55 and plan to retire asap will i still be able to retire or am i to young ,also the passive income how much does it need to be ,great video

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      The 2023 passive income for the Elective Residency Visa is €32,000 or about $33,650 USD as of this writing.
      So a little over $2,800 per month USD.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      And that’s for an individual. For a couple it’s €38,000.

  • @guardian555
    @guardian555 10 місяців тому

    Abruzzo. The house for 55,000 EUR 2 bedroom with nice views. Is this property taken?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  10 місяців тому

      I think it is! The property listing is in the description area below the video.
      Here's the agent's site if you want to browse more in Abruzzo:
      www.abruzzoruralproperty.com/

  • @Nqueflipper
    @Nqueflipper 11 місяців тому

    And what happens when they Pull the Rug mid term
    like Portugal ????

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      You’d be grandfathered in for the remaining years 👍

    • @jk-califkid5017
      @jk-califkid5017 11 місяців тому

      ​@@traveltirementMaybe. Socialism is on the march worldwide.

  • @jroar123
    @jroar123 8 днів тому

    After the 10 years, how much is the tax on your SSA?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  8 днів тому

      Progressive rates from 23%/35%/43%

    • @jroar123
      @jroar123 8 днів тому

      @@traveltirement Now I understand why people are not chomping at the bit to move to Italy. I'm sure the taxes are on par for living in Europe but it's expensive. It's bad enough that Social Security only gives $2600 per month. ($400 to Medicare) To be taxed on that amount of money after the 10 years would be crazy expensive. As I remember, when I was living and working in Rovigo Italy, my company paid my taxes. It must have been crazy expensive. Still, there is something about Italy that gets under your skin. The place becomes better than Disney Land. And, when you add up the cost of living in the United States, even if you do pay 20%+ in tax after 10 years, Italy is still more affordable.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  8 днів тому +1

      @@jroar123 Yep. It's a combination of low cost of living, relaxed lifestyle, great food and wine, and more historic sights than almost any country.
      That being said, you do need a certain level of income and/or assets to live a good life and not worry about money. Especially if you're paying the progressive rates.
      Also, for early retirees, they can save $1,000-$2,000 per month in health insurance costs by being on the Italian public system
      Not for everyone, but perfect for some.

    • @jroar123
      @jroar123 8 днів тому

      @@traveltirement I totally agree with you on the costs of living in Italy compared to the States. There are financial tradeoffs between the two and Italy stands on top for many reasons. Everyone thinking about Italy should always do their homework. Sit down with a pen and paper. Compare the two in all aspects (as you mentioned). I have decided that it would be a good move. I know that money dictates the style of life you can live but not the quality. I have the skills to turn a cheap place that needs renovation into a high-quality place. Of course, location is important as well. I wouldn't suggest anyone move to the south side of Chicago or the Fith Ward in Houston, Texas. I'm sure Italy also has areas that are not desirable.

  • @longgowhereto
    @longgowhereto 11 місяців тому

    So I pay 7% and thousands of boat migrants get all for free. And after 9 years I pay the high taxes of some 45%. This looks like a trap and not like an honest invitation. But your video is excellent as it shows the need of countries to change something. I just do not want to pay for it.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому +3

      I’m glad you have your mind made up.

  • @SHERRI-gc6ko
    @SHERRI-gc6ko 4 місяці тому

    INTERESTED IN PROPERTIES

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  4 місяці тому

      Check out Gate-Away.com and you can search all over Italy 👍

  • @avisitorhere
    @avisitorhere 11 місяців тому

    I've never self reported my income in the US, why would I tell Italy what I make?

    • @KaterinaFerrara
      @KaterinaFerrara 11 місяців тому

      You won’t get to stay with an ERV unless you disclose it all and can price it. 😮😮

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      The US and Italy tax citizens on worldwide income, not just that made in the country you currently live.
      They also have bilateral tax treaties, so you can avoid most double-taxation.

  • @claudiacables945
    @claudiacables945 11 місяців тому +1

    Do you need to get a permanent visa?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      Yes, you need a visa if you plan to stay more than 90 days every 180 days.
      The Elective Residency Visa is likely the one you would apply for. It’s known as the “Italian retirement visa”.

    • @KaterinaFerrara
      @KaterinaFerrara 11 місяців тому +2

      Yes if you want to stay more than 90 days in the EU. not just in Italy! So you can’t go for a month to Spain or anywhere else. You must exit after 90 days for 90 days

  • @zch2439
    @zch2439 11 місяців тому

    If you plan on living in southern Italy think about climate change, average summer temperatures can reach well over 30 C and last year over 40C. Many people are moving North. Perhaps that's why these houses are cheap in the South.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      Yes, climate change is real and something to think about. I personally prefer seasons, so I'd look at a place in the mountains where there may be a little snow.
      I think a coastal town would be decent too, because you'd have the sea to keep temperatures moderate. And maybe a nice constant breeze too.
      Most people who have migrated north over many decades have done it for work. But climate may have had an effect also.

    • @angelomasciantonio
      @angelomasciantonio 11 місяців тому +2

      Those Temps are nothing new, they have always had them. The houses with thick stone walls help to control those extremes just like in Portugal, Greece, North Africa, etc. A nice split AC system run off of a few solar panels also does wonders during those extreme days with lots of sunshine....

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      @@angelomasciantonio Thanks for adding that!

    • @jk-califkid5017
      @jk-califkid5017 11 місяців тому +2

      ​@angelomasciantonio Temperatures go up and down. In the 1970s it was colder than normal and so- called experts were predicting global ice age by 2000. Then, in the late '80s through part of the '90s it was really hot (global warming). Temps cooled in the 2000s, comparably so. New term climate change covers both conditions. Genius.

    • @angelomasciantonio
      @angelomasciantonio 11 місяців тому

      @jk-califkid5017 couldn't agree with you more. Climate changes from sun activity or other events are too massive to be controlled by anything we do. If we get into a warming stage, everyone in world could probably stop burning carbon fuels and it wouldn't make much of difference in what is going to happen....
      If it was as big an issue as some big lobbyists want you to believe, they would stop flying around the world in their private jets making pronouncements on climate change and living in their mega monster 25000+ square foot mansions. Bet their green energy stock portfololios are doing well though ....

  • @paulmessenger9836
    @paulmessenger9836 11 місяців тому

    7 percent is to much

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому

      Really? The normal income tax range in Italy is 23%-43%.
      So it's incredibly low.

    • @angelabarry4432
      @angelabarry4432 11 місяців тому

      Where do you live if you pay less?

  • @rayleo529
    @rayleo529 11 місяців тому +10

    Why move to Italy and pay an income tax? There are plenty of countries which are far less expensive and there is zero income tax.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому +40

      Because it's Italy! 🇮🇹 🙌 🥳
      Some folks want to live in amazing places and are fine paying taxes. I would never live somewhere just because of the taxes.
      Like in the US, the most millionaires live in CA and NY, two of the highest tax states. 👍

    • @FotosLostnFound
      @FotosLostnFound 11 місяців тому +5

      Like where?

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому +16

      @@delaslight In the 8 regions in the video, the income tax is just 7%.
      That's amongst the lowest in the world.
      Plus a lot of people are fine paying tax and living in the place of their dreams.

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому +1

      @@FotosLostnFound Many countries in central and south America have no income tax (I believe).

    • @angelabarry4432
      @angelabarry4432 11 місяців тому +1

      I‘m not sure if you don’t have to pay also taxes in the US after moving to Italy

  • @Trickyricky293
    @Trickyricky293 11 місяців тому +3

    Great video. Italy is on our potential list of long term retirement locations. Thanks for the info.

  • @jaimehidalgo9072
    @jaimehidalgo9072 11 місяців тому +3

    thanks for the info... that place in Puglia was incredible. All I was thinking while you were describing the apartment was that place is probably gone already. there is no way that thing is available. what a beautiful apartment

    • @traveltirement
      @traveltirement  11 місяців тому +2

      Yes, I was blown away. There are a lot of places like that in a similar price range. Crazy!

    • @PeterCc5u
      @PeterCc5u Місяць тому

      UA-camrs are pushing up the prices, it seems