I fully agree that when execution is as close to perfection as possible, training to failure is not as taxing as people still tend to believe in 2024. Perhaps don't do it on squats and deadlifts, but you can most definitely do it on quad machines, leg curls, weighted pullups and dips, chest presses, curls, extentions etc
Ok, so let's assume you do a hard set of... I don't know... incline press... to failure. 8 reps. Do you actually think about your form form after every rep and analyze everything? "Hey, was this 7th rep OK? Was it as close to perfection as possible? Do I feel something in my shoulders? Maybe it is from my form getting poorer and poorer? Hmm, should I analyze this again this rep?" Seriously? Because I've never managed that on a hard set. I'm thinking about not getting killed by the barbell, while my elbows and my shoulders and my wrists are shaking. On a warmup set, yeah, it's doable.
I think people make training complicated. RPE, RIR, managing fatigue. All unnecessary. I’ve been training for over 40 years and have put on a lot of muscle. Competed in bb and pl and have always trained to failure. I did try stopping short and extra sets for a time which resulted in sub max results. Split the body up however many days and train to failure. Concentric, static, and eccentric. 1-3 sets ONE time per week. You must train to failure in order to recruit and max number of fast twitch fiber. These are fast twitch sports therefore train fast twitch fiber. Henneman Principle. 1 x per week you don’t have to manage fatigue etc…. If people trained like we did in the 80s. We all went to failure 1x per week and did it every single week. I now train 1 upper and 1 lower. Sat and Sun. I’m 55 and still out in a bit of muscle. It’s slow with my age and I will always keep trying. Just sharing my experience and thoughts.
When I train to failure I find myself excessively fatigued physically and mentally and it takes over a week to recover. It’s not a good idea for me. I don’t take steroids either so I can’t recover fast enough training to failure.
For hyperrtrophy, you'll get pretty much the same results training in that 0-1 RIR range anway so there's no need to go to full failure. Much more importantly, your progressive overload can and will stall hard if you're causing that much fatigue every training session.
What type of lifts are you going to failure on? Huge difference between failing compounds than isolations. Going to failure on isolations for all sets isn't generally bad and you can easily recover from it.
@@dynaspinner64Finally, someone else is saying this. Going to momentary concentric failure on multi-joint movements (compounds) is disproportionately fatiguing compared to going to momentary concentric failure on single-joint movements (isolations). Sticking to roughly 1-2 RIR on multi-joint movements (compounds) and sticking to roughly failure on single-joint movements (isolations) maximizes the stimulus to fatigue ratio (SFR). Recovering from a set of deadlifts with perfect technique to momentary concentric failure is disproportionately fatiguing compared to recovering from a set of bicep curls with perfect technique to momentary concentric failure. Love this comment, dude 🤘.
I fully agree that when execution is as close to perfection as possible, training to failure is not as taxing as people still tend to believe in 2024. Perhaps don't do it on squats and deadlifts, but you can most definitely do it on quad machines, leg curls, weighted pullups and dips, chest presses, curls, extentions etc
Execution will slightly get messed up as you get close to failure
Ok, so let's assume you do a hard set of... I don't know... incline press... to failure. 8 reps. Do you actually think about your form form after every rep and analyze everything? "Hey, was this 7th rep OK? Was it as close to perfection as possible? Do I feel something in my shoulders? Maybe it is from my form getting poorer and poorer? Hmm, should I analyze this again this rep?"
Seriously?
Because I've never managed that on a hard set. I'm thinking about not getting killed by the barbell, while my elbows and my shoulders and my wrists are shaking.
On a warmup set, yeah, it's doable.
Great video training to failure once a month is a good sweet spot
I'm here to enjoy the experience of knowledgable individuals. Great stuff 👍👍👍
Great rhetoric here. 🙏🏻
I just do it because it's simpler...*full rom*..*full rom*..*partial rep*..*okay done*
It creates a lot of fatigue
I think people make training complicated. RPE, RIR, managing fatigue. All unnecessary. I’ve been training for over 40 years and have put on a lot of muscle. Competed in bb and pl and have always trained to failure. I did try stopping short and extra sets for a time which resulted in sub max results. Split the body up however many days and train to failure. Concentric, static, and eccentric. 1-3 sets ONE time per week. You must train to failure in order to recruit and max number of fast twitch fiber. These are fast twitch sports therefore train fast twitch fiber. Henneman Principle. 1 x per week you don’t have to manage fatigue etc…. If people trained like we did in the 80s. We all went to failure 1x per week and did it every single week. I now train 1 upper and 1 lower. Sat and Sun. I’m 55 and still out in a bit of muscle. It’s slow with my age and I will always keep trying. Just sharing my experience and thoughts.
When you stop doing normal volume and just do 1 set to failure did you just get stronger or really see more Hypertrophy?
When I train to failure I find myself excessively fatigued physically and mentally and it takes over a week to recover. It’s not a good idea for me. I don’t take steroids either so I can’t recover fast enough training to failure.
For hyperrtrophy, you'll get pretty much the same results training in that 0-1 RIR range anway so there's no need to go to full failure. Much more importantly, your progressive overload can and will stall hard if you're causing that much fatigue every training session.
What type of lifts are you going to failure on? Huge difference between failing compounds than isolations. Going to failure on isolations for all sets isn't generally bad and you can easily recover from it.
@@dynaspinner64 true
@@dynaspinner64Finally, someone else is saying this.
Going to momentary concentric failure on multi-joint movements (compounds) is disproportionately fatiguing compared to going to momentary concentric failure on single-joint movements (isolations).
Sticking to roughly 1-2 RIR on multi-joint movements (compounds) and sticking to roughly failure on single-joint movements (isolations) maximizes the stimulus to fatigue ratio (SFR).
Recovering from a set of deadlifts with perfect technique to momentary concentric failure is disproportionately fatiguing compared to recovering from a set of bicep curls with perfect technique to momentary concentric failure.
Love this comment, dude 🤘.
@@dynaspinner64Failure will cause more fatigue with isolations as well. Heavy weights and 1-2 rir is good