I know Im asking randomly but does someone know of a way to log back into an instagram account..? I was stupid forgot the account password. I appreciate any assistance you can give me!
Formatted a 5 1/4 disk with it! Next I have to see how Dos accesses an external Amiga disk drive. That feature is so good! I thought it’d be a printer port! 🤯
I must admit back in the 80s this must have been astonishing to use - and quite pricey to afford! Well done for making the effort to put all this together and make it work.
I think it was still way less expensive than to get a dedicated PC back then. Plus, you had the integration with copy+paste and transferring files to the Amiga. :)
That is a GREAT #DOScember video. I don't think I have ever seen a Bridgeboard in action like this. I certainly haven't seen or used one in person -- this was a great demo. Thanks for doing this!
It really is a wonderful sense of satisfaction to see pieces of your childhood put together & "re-assembled" like this. It gives a tangible sense of closure & completeness. They may just be bits of random computer hardware but to some of us, they can be so much more too. :)
During my year of duty in army, my superior had an Amiga 2000 in his office with this emulator card inside, and a 44MB removable hard drive. It was a great machine and I wish I could borrow it for the computer club
Great video, to be honest "struggling to get it to work" are often some of the best videos possible, as they can convey a lot of obscure knowledge. Subscribed and curious for new videos :)
Sehr schönes und informatives Video ... für mich leider 30 Jahre zu spät 😀. Ich bin damals verzweifelt und habe das Board nicht in Gang gekriegt. Mach weiter so Jan.
It checks free space, paths etc. and shows you what options you habe during the process. It was a useful feature when HDDs were smaller back in the day.
DOSember is keeping my spirits high after I had a house fire last week. Thank you and the other retro tech (and retro console gaming) YTers! Nothing a bit of VGA can't help along. :)
That was really cool! So neat that it runs Planet X3! I'd actually like to see the bridge board talking to a separate PC video card and, say, an AdLib card for music.
@@sheep1ewe It's technically possible. It is usually done in book and archival restauration and similiar areas. It's ludicrously complicated though, because you need to make the pages wet and bleach them with a mix of chemicals that perfectly suits the type of paper used and then you need to heavily press it while drying so it becomes flat again. For amateurs with no proper bookbinder/restauration equipment it's likely impossible.
@@catriona_drummond Ok, it had been genuinly interesting to actualy do that, but i think i will begin with the old fasion iron for my 80s Commodore manuals... ha ha
So I ended up setting up a GoTek floppy emulator for my 2088 bridgeboard. My Amiga 2000 has 2 GotTek drives (1 for amiga, 1 for bridgeboard) and 1 physical floppy drive. All seems to work well. It is really nice using the GoTek for the bridgeboard, especially when looking to have a "compatible" disk image or drive. To make your own image if needed and away you go.
This is the second channel to cover the 2088 for doscember. I'm hoping somebody covers the A2386SX or one of the Golden Gate cards. They're neat as you can get them up to 486 level with a 486SLC (ideally the IBM ones with the 16kb L1 cache that actually made it pretty quick).
I had the "Plus" 14MHz version of that card. Really good for getting school work done in DOS but so limited for games with only CGA / Hercules graphics and PC speaker support.
@@JeremyLevi Pretty much how I used mine. Everything at school was dos based, so I used it for all my homework. It could access the A500 memory, drives, mouse, ports, etc. It was pretty amazing.
@@nicholas_scott Ya, other than the speed boost the other main difference with the Plus was it had 512KB of RAM on board, although you could still assign it more from the Amiga's RAM. Other than that I think the only other difference was it had a FPU socket if you wanted to add a 287, but it didn't come with one by default.
Neat I havent seen a 8088 card running a while. Im lucky enough that I have a 386dx card in my amiga 2000 tower. Works really well for old gaming. Its nice having multiple pcs in a single case. Get your hands on an emplant sometime then you can run ms dos amiga os and macos all at the same time :)
Really enjoyed that one ... nice to see some PC magic on an Amiga .... really need to get my amiga's up and running again and set them up in a dedicated place ... Spent so much time with them when I was young but since I got into this retro PC thing the PCs have taken up almost all of my time. Do have an amiga 500 and 1200 that still work, but have given up on finding a 1000/2000/3000/4000 :)
One of those 8 bit ISA slots is begging for an Adlib card :) Then Planet X3 will really jam. Really enjoyed seeing how this literally bridged the Amiga world to PC, thanks!
Jan, all I can say is that this is the best DOScember video so far. Awesome job. I was excited to see DOS running on a Amiga. One thing that confuses me is why did they call that an emulator card. It doesn't appear to have any emulation as the PC Card is essentially self sufficient for the most part. It looks like the only part of the Amiga it shared was the keyboard, mouse, and video. Once again, great content.
This one worked very well for me, being able to run Turbo Pascal for example. I whish I had the A2386 card together with a VGA card. To change between Amiga and PC with a mouseclick was awesome.
Nice Job - fun to see you get your feet wet with DOS - I watched the zoom meeting, and they really did kind of -voluntold- you this would make a great project, but I am really happy you ran with it. (if anyone is interested - it's "volunteer / voluntell / voluntold " - as I have seen folks volunteer, been around while folks were being voluntell'ed, and past tense is voluntold...) LOL GREAT JOB JAN for not giving up!!!
Thanks! Yeah, they talked me into it. But as I said I wanted to try the Bridgeboard anyway, just didn’t think of doing it for DOScember. I’m glad I did it, definitely brought back some memories. :)
I was going to make lunch but the suspense of whether it was going to work kept me glued to the screen! Now I am very hungry 😄 but it was worth it. It must have been a frustrating experience for you but it looks like you have re-discovered a new dimension in the Amiga. Great fun. 🎅🎄✨👍
I've always liked cards like this. Like the Apple dos compatibility card, and the more powerful PCI versions, and the ones by Orange Micro all for running DOS and Windows on a Mac using basically a full PC on a card.
Wait so you can use ISA expansion slots on the zorro bus for the PC and pass them through? well Jan, time to slap a Soundblaster and a graphics card on that amiga
yeah the Amiga and the PC bridgeboard can "sort of" share the PC accessories to the Amiga. The most common application there was to use much cheaper PC ethernet cards. Im guessing the lag is much less noticable on network cards than on a sound card.
@@10MARC thanks for the correction. I never had one back in the day. But was confidentthat things like sound/video cards would not work at least in any direct way (hence "sort of") Youd need a Mediator for that. Though i vaguely remember a bridgebosrd that didn't have any cpu on it, and was functionally similar to Mediator, just with ISA cards. I could be misremembering.
@@epremeaux Honestly, the Amiga's sound was so good that it kind of made a PC soundcard redundant. Though, I guess you could drive the PC soundcard from the Amiga as a midi instrument?
I had the 8088 bridge installed back in the early days, and was disappointed with it. The biggest reason was, that I was a hard nosed Amiga user, and didn't really need to use the PC side for anything. I bought it installed in a used A2000, so I can't say I had a lot invested in the board. I also have a 286 board, and was foolish enough to buy and install DOS 5 when it was newly released. What a disappointment that was! That was the last MS product I purchased for a very long time. Thanks for the interesting video, and taking the time to actually get the board working properly.
Danke Jan für dieses video das zeigt der jüngeren generation was es hiess mit einem computer umzugehen ,denn heute ist dank windows un co alles viel unkomplizierter und verlangt vom user viel weniger arbeit
With the Binddrivers command, it loads the libraries from the Expansion folder, too. Otherwise the Bridgeboard would not initialize at all. That’s the location the janus.library is installed in by the installer, too.
I‘m going to do some more work on the Bridgeboard soon, including replacing the capacitors. I think they are fine, just some basic decoupling as far as I can see, but they are definitely ooold. ;)
@@JanBeta are you going to replace them with electrolytic caps or tantalum? Probably would be better to go with the latter, you likely won't have to do it again for as long as you own the card.
I love how the retro you tubers colaborate so much and complement each other. Always linking to each others channels and not wanting to repeat videos that have already been done. Not likely to see a pay per view boxing fight between RMC and Adrians digital basement or beef between Jan Beta and Noels Retro lab. lol
You all seem like well-adjusted adults who just want to learn and explore and share knowledge about and experiences with these old ... oops ... RETRO systems that those of us of a certain age were fortunate to use during our youth.
Hi Jan. Do you know he mechanism for interfacing with the Amiga Zorro bus? Is it acting over a serial connection or something more advanced and magical?
I can confirm. Looks exactly like the mounting brackets on my Commodore PC1 I repaired just weeks ago. Even the drive looks similar. So please don't throw them away, Jan ;).
Ah this is something I seriously considered back in the day - getting an Amiga 2000 and such a bridge board - if I was to go into Computer Science back in the day. I ended up going to medical school so that was all thrown out of the window. :P
Hi Jan. Nice video! Even though I'm more of an Atari ST person I'm quite impressed about all the options and the bridge mechanism. I had a hardware 286 emulator on my Atari 1040ST back in 1989 (I think) that I had to solder directly onto each leg of the 68000 CPU! ; it was just a small board with a 286 compatible CPU and a few supporting chips. It was using the Atari RAM (640k of it), graphics, etc. so I don't think you could switch between Atari and PC. Frohe Weihnachten und einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr an euch alle!
There was a hardware emulator for the Atari ST (and possibly Amiga?) by a German company called Vortex, could it have been that? [Vortex ATonce, perhaps?]
33:10 Shouldn't there be some kind of drilling accident, if the computer prints "Jan Beta was here" repeatedly? Kidding. One of my classmates had an A2000 with one of those bridge cards. At the time I couldn't believe that he was able to play my DOS games on his system.
This kind of reminds me of the other non-PC Commodore computer with a PC processor in it: the 128, with CP/M, of course! It's pretty interesting when different kinds of computers are combined into one unit!
Interesting that it says "emulator," because it was my understanding that if your package is made up of the exact hardware, then it's not emulating anything.
Thought the same thing, but then I wondered what I would have called the little program you have to run to get the interface into it? Terminal program is closest, but also confusing. *shrug*
Sorry, @@bozimmerman, I'm not sure if that's what you wonder or not. I can't answer your question of if that's what you wondered, because I'm not a mind reader. Maybe you should just _tell_ me if you wonder. ;-)
I really enjoyed this, albeit a few weeks out of DOScember. I dreamed of such a machine in the 90s and if my memory serves me correctly, some kind of case I could put my A1200 into and turn into a kind of super cross-platform machine. I am still fascinated by cross platform computers from the 80s and 90s, so more of this please!
Back in '93 a coworker on Edwards AFB had a very nice Amiga 500 setup in his dorm room. He had installed a side-car hard drive with a 286 emulator card inside. Although I never got a demonstration of it's use, he stated that it was 'good enough' for his limited PC uses. That pre-installed 286 board must have been tiny compared to the one you are installing in your 2000 as it had to form-fit the hard drive/A500 case-edge. Doubt it could do much past the most basic of applications.
I remember having a similar board for my Apple //GS back in the day; it had an 8086 and a socket for an 8087, and would run CGA DOS programs. I wonder how many other systems had a similar card?
The Applied Engineering PC Transporter put a Turbo XT in your Apple II. I have one and now kicking myself not doing a video on it this month (another "duh" moment).
I had one of these briefly before moving onto the 286 version for a few weeks with an A2000. Never worked properly unfortunately, so ended my Amiga ownership until 3 decades later!
I used to want one of these so bad! I had/have an Amiga 1000 with a third-party sidecar that gave it two Amiga 2000 slots. I always wanted to get this and put it in the second slot next to my 8MB memory expansion board. But, I just made due with the (slow) Transformer software emulation until jumping to PCs instead.
@29:07 having done this many times before, I find it easier to install the connector on the ribbon cable and then cut it flush AFTER. My A3000 has an A2386SX, two floppies and a SCSI drive and the case barely fits with all the ribbon cables :-)
I bought my 2000 when it came out with the intention of having the Amiga and PC all in one case. However it quickly became apparent that it was more economical to just build a PC clone with the additional bonus of not having to deal with getting the bridgeboard to even work!!!
OK, my jaw dropped when you got X3 running on it. That was cool. And I loved that Commodore gave us CrossDos in OS 3.x. I used it with a couple of floppies I set aside specifically to move files from my old Tandy 1000 to my A500. It was even better when I got a high density floppy for my A500. Dropped that into my Bodega Bay case and I was in heaven! Jan, I also noticed you had discord on your Mac there. Do you run a discord? If so, how would one get on it if one was interested. And, I can't wait till Amiga April!!
Mmmmmh, maybe I should try to make a video of my Atari Mega ST with PC-Speed emulator, now that I managed to get it back in. A video of me setting up the thing and get it to run etc. I loved it and it helped me a lot during my studies. It allowed me to work on my programs at home and didn't need to queue for access on the Uni PC's. The lucky thing was that the Uni-PC were Olivetti-M24 computer which had an extended CGA with 640x400 resolution. PC-Speed on the Atari-ST was able to emulate this resolution with its tight SM-124 monitor. This allowed me to tinker the code in Turbo pascal 3 to use this "special" resolution, making the graphical programs we had to write so much better looking. Good times.
28:13 No no no you WANTED the portion with the twist! The opposite end of the wire is the end that's supposed to go to the motherboard/controller! The hardwired twist how the controller assigns latter A or B to floppy!
Not on this system it seems. Just got hold of an original cable from a Commodore PC (for two disk drives) and both connections are straight through. I assume there is a jumper on the drives to determine which one is A and B. Not sure though, still have to investigate.
@@JanBeta I know modern computers would be able to sort it out in software at the driver level, irrespective of cabling. I didn't think that a vintage computer would be able to!
I think Enforcer would only work or be needed if you running an 68030 with the mmu in working order. Enforcer is for the most part for memory protection and in the case of the old janus software for disableing the cpu caches witch the 68000 dosen't have. On my 2000 my bridgeboard works fine with 3.1.4 But i needed to learn a lot. The partition you want to install the janus software needs to be smaller than one gig. The entire harddrive could be bigger
I had a 2088. I didn't have the 3.9 struggles because I was running 1.3, but I had to do that same thing with removing the chips, cleaning the sockets, and reinstalling them. I don't know if all 2088s were finicky like that but yours is acting just like mine did. I got a 2286 later and it was a lot less troublesome. The first time I built a PC from components, I remember saying at the end that was less difficult than getting a Bridgeboard up and running.
thanks for the video, i have the same board. bought it ages ago but i couldnt find any amigas to fit it on so i got a zorro2 board for my a1200 but the project has sat about 20 years now. someday though :D
When I first saw the A2000 the Bridgeboard was a big attraction. I thought how cool it would be to have a system that could MAC and PC stuff. When I got my A2000 it did come with an AMAX II running System 7 but I never used it all that often and then I moved over to the PC so no real need for a Bridgeboard.
Hi! May I ask you a little help? Does your A2088 PLCC chips run warm? At this time I'm struggling to have my card up and running (Janus lib not found, or sometimes blank screens, maybe its at fault). I noted that the 3 PLCC chips are all plain cold or not warm at all. The disk controller and the two little pla are more than warm instead, but not hot. I was told it would have been a complicated thing to run, now I'm seeing it for myself! Cheers, M
I used to have a Amiga 2000 with A2088 Bridgeboard, my biggest regret was to sell them :o( I used the Bridgeboard to run the PCB making software called TraXedit.
Now David can technically state that Planet X3 runs on Amiga ;)
(43:33) Nice Douglas Adams reference. I don't remember if David mentioned it in his own video.
Guess there's some way to run c64 software on an Amiga, so maybe we could say the same about Planet X2.
Heh, I intended to play Planet X3 on my Amiga like this.
Good that he didn’t try it out by himself. Couldn’t stand seeing him dremel out an A2088
I know Im asking randomly but does someone know of a way to log back into an instagram account..?
I was stupid forgot the account password. I appreciate any assistance you can give me!
That comes in handy: today my new A2000 arrived and it comes with an A2088 bridgeboard. Thanks Jan!
Formatted a 5 1/4 disk with it! Next I have to see how Dos accesses an external Amiga disk drive. That feature is so good! I thought it’d be a printer port! 🤯
Jan, that was a creative solution to Dosember. Very fun! It would be interesting to see a VGA card work with that setup...
I wanted a bridgeboard so much back in the day, but it was not to be. Very happy to see they are still about and working.
I must admit back in the 80s this must have been astonishing to use - and quite pricey to afford! Well done for making the effort to put all this together and make it work.
I think it was still way less expensive than to get a dedicated PC back then. Plus, you had the integration with copy+paste and transferring files to the Amiga. :)
That is a GREAT #DOScember video. I don't think I have ever seen a Bridgeboard in action like this. I certainly haven't seen or used one in person -- this was a great demo. Thanks for doing this!
It really is a wonderful sense of satisfaction to see pieces of your childhood put together & "re-assembled" like this. It gives a tangible sense of closure & completeness. They may just be bits of random computer hardware but to some of us, they can be so much more too. :)
Do not fret, Jan! You have the month of AMayga to look forward to every year!
During my year of duty in army, my superior had an Amiga 2000 in his office with this emulator card inside, and a 44MB removable hard drive. It was a great machine and I wish I could borrow it for the computer club
Next year, can you do a DECember with DEC VAX systems and such?
Shhh, there’s a DECember video coming up from another participant. ;)
Oooh. I've got a Dec vt320 hooked up to a raspberry pi.. does that count?
Great video, to be honest "struggling to get it to work" are often some of the best videos possible, as they can convey a lot of obscure knowledge. Subscribed and curious for new videos :)
24:12 Just like that song by the dire straits:
"Brackets for nothing and the screws for free" XD
Sehr schönes und informatives Video ... für mich leider 30 Jahre zu spät 😀. Ich bin damals verzweifelt und habe das Board nicht in Gang gekriegt. Mach weiter so Jan.
I love how there’s a “Pretend to Install” option, lol
The Amiga Installer was pretty sophisticated for the time!
@@JanBeta What would that option even do anyways? What was the point of it?
It checks free space, paths etc. and shows you what options you habe during the process. It was a useful feature when HDDs were smaller back in the day.
@@JanBeta Ohhhh
Smart
DOSember is keeping my spirits high after I had a house fire last week. Thank you and the other retro tech (and retro console gaming) YTers! Nothing a bit of VGA can't help along. :)
Oh, that sounds terrible. Glad the videos at least help to keep your mood up. :o
That was really cool! So neat that it runs Planet X3! I'd actually like to see the bridge board talking to a separate PC video card and, say, an AdLib card for music.
I am going to try a VGA card soon. :)
Great video Jan =D Seems these are a bit painful to setup! Have a great Christmas!
Now here is the most important question: Will you retrobrite that manual?
I know it was a joke, but Is that even possible? ha ha!
@@sheep1ewe It's technically possible. It is usually done in book and archival restauration and similiar areas.
It's ludicrously complicated though, because you need to make the pages wet and bleach them with a mix of chemicals that perfectly suits the type of paper used and then you need to heavily press it while drying so it becomes flat again. For amateurs with no proper bookbinder/restauration equipment it's likely impossible.
@@catriona_drummond Ok, it had been genuinly interesting to actualy do that, but i think i will begin with the old fasion iron for my 80s Commodore manuals... ha ha
@@sheep1ewe My father is a bookbinder, that's why I am a bit demanding regarding the results :D
@@catriona_drummond Ah, that sounds awsome!
If i tried my self i would probably just mess them up, ha ha
So I ended up setting up a GoTek floppy emulator for my 2088 bridgeboard. My Amiga 2000 has 2 GotTek drives (1 for amiga, 1 for bridgeboard) and 1 physical floppy drive. All seems to work well. It is really nice using the GoTek for the bridgeboard, especially when looking to have a "compatible" disk image or drive. To make your own image if needed and away you go.
This is the second channel to cover the 2088 for doscember. I'm hoping somebody covers the A2386SX or one of the Golden Gate cards. They're neat as you can get them up to 486 level with a 486SLC (ideally the IBM ones with the 16kb L1 cache that actually made it pretty quick).
Looking forward to Jan-Beta-uary! This one is on my Watch Later for after work, really looking forward to it!
I had an “AtOnce” msdos 286 board in my a500. It worked great. I kept that machine running up to about 1999 when I finally bought a real lifeless pc
I had the "Plus" 14MHz version of that card. Really good for getting school work done in DOS but so limited for games with only CGA / Hercules graphics and PC speaker support.
@@JeremyLevi Pretty much how I used mine. Everything at school was dos based, so I used it for all my homework. It could access the A500 memory, drives, mouse, ports, etc. It was pretty amazing.
@@nicholas_scott Ya, other than the speed boost the other main difference with the Plus was it had 512KB of RAM on board, although you could still assign it more from the Amiga's RAM. Other than that I think the only other difference was it had a FPU socket if you wanted to add a 287, but it didn't come with one by default.
@@JeremyLevi I don't know about the plus, but mine had a weird quirk. When it crashed, all the error messages were in german! not very helpful. lol
Neat I havent seen a 8088 card running a while. Im lucky enough that I have a 386dx card in my amiga 2000 tower. Works really well for old gaming. Its nice having multiple pcs in a single case. Get your hands on an emplant sometime then you can run ms dos amiga os and macos all at the same time :)
Really enjoyed that one ... nice to see some PC magic on an Amiga .... really need to get my amiga's up and running again and set them up in a dedicated place ... Spent so much time with them when I was young but since I got into this retro PC thing the PCs have taken up almost all of my time. Do have an amiga 500 and 1200 that still work, but have given up on finding a 1000/2000/3000/4000 :)
A2000's regularly pop up on 2dehands.be. I have a A2000 motherboard to give you if you like
"We have four capacitors here, but I'm going to leave them alone..." Who are you and what have you done with Jan Beta?
One of those 8 bit ISA slots is begging for an Adlib card :) Then Planet X3 will really jam.
Really enjoyed seeing how this literally bridged the Amiga world to PC, thanks!
still watching this in 2023! great video, you have helped me no end getting my A2088XT working in my 2000 :)
Well done Jan Beta. That was a fantastic dash back to 1988 and then back to the future with Planet X.
It's like the Star Wars story, your father was Amiga jedi, but betrayed the order and bought a PC, now you took his stuff and continue his legacy O_O
Jan Skywalker
Used to have an Amiga 500 with the Vortex ATonce.
That was a good system when I got it.
Thanks for the video. Memories
Jan, all I can say is that this is the best DOScember video so far. Awesome job. I was excited to see DOS running on a Amiga. One thing that confuses me is why did they call that an emulator card. It doesn't appear to have any emulation as the PC Card is essentially self sufficient for the most part. It looks like the only part of the Amiga it shared was the keyboard, mouse, and video. Once again, great content.
Because it still ‘emulates’ a DOS PC in the relative term, just like FPGA is still emulating something just not in software.
Frohe Weihnachten Jan. Bleib Gesund.
Modular is such a smart way to do things, this was way ahead of its time as always!
33:16 Isn't that a PET boot chirp? Was that unique to Commodore?
This one worked very well for me, being able to run Turbo Pascal for example. I whish I had the A2386 card together with a VGA card. To change between Amiga and PC with a mouseclick was awesome.
Cool! The faraday FE2010 chipset is also used on the Commodore PC10/20-III.
Nice Job - fun to see you get your feet wet with DOS - I watched the zoom meeting, and they really did kind of -voluntold- you this would make a great project, but I am really happy you ran with it. (if anyone is interested - it's "volunteer / voluntell / voluntold " - as I have seen folks volunteer, been around while folks were being voluntell'ed, and past tense is voluntold...) LOL GREAT JOB JAN for not giving up!!!
Thanks! Yeah, they talked me into it. But as I said I wanted to try the Bridgeboard anyway, just didn’t think of doing it for DOScember. I’m glad I did it, definitely brought back some memories. :)
Nice video :) I ordered a 5.25" floppy drive and a2088xt bridgeboard for my A2000 some time ago, and I am looking forward to installing it :)
I was going to make lunch but the suspense of whether it was going to work kept me glued to the screen! Now I am very hungry 😄 but it was worth it. It must have been a frustrating experience for you but it looks like you have re-discovered a new dimension in the Amiga. Great fun. 🎅🎄✨👍
Haha, sorry for delaying your lunch. Happy new year Pauline! :)
I've always liked cards like this. Like the Apple dos compatibility card, and the more powerful PCI versions, and the ones by Orange Micro all for running DOS and Windows on a Mac using basically a full PC on a card.
Fantastic video! I would not been able to pull that off i think
The startup chime you got when you restarted the bridgeboard sounds exactly like the old PET 8032 startup sound :)
Ah, I was wondering about that. They used the PET chime in the Commodore PCs, too, then. Nice detail! :)
Great video. Now I want a bridge card for my A2000.
Wait so you can use ISA expansion slots on the zorro bus for the PC and pass them through? well Jan, time to slap a Soundblaster and a graphics card on that amiga
yeah the Amiga and the PC bridgeboard can "sort of" share the PC accessories to the Amiga. The most common application there was to use much cheaper PC ethernet cards. Im guessing the lag is much less noticable on network cards than on a sound card.
Only network cards are known to work this way with special drivers
@@10MARC thanks for the correction. I never had one back in the day. But was confidentthat things like sound/video cards would not work at least in any direct way (hence "sort of") Youd need a Mediator for that. Though i vaguely remember a bridgebosrd that didn't have any cpu on it, and was functionally similar to Mediator, just with ISA cards. I could be misremembering.
AFAIK there was a Bridgeboard without a Intel CPU, it could really be used to connect some ISA hardware from the Amiga.
@@epremeaux Honestly, the Amiga's sound was so good that it kind of made a PC soundcard redundant.
Though, I guess you could drive the PC soundcard from the Amiga as a midi instrument?
this is like the ancestor of the modern virtual machines, made with actual hardware and some software, this is so cool omg 😭💗
I had the A2286 with a 386sx running windows 3 and mac system 7 with AmaxII+ in my A3000
It could run 3 operating systems at the same time
Did you cut a lot in this take? The vid seems jumpy... nice subject Jan and love the stuff you do..
Had a KCS PC PowerBoard back in the day btw :)
Yes, I had to edit quite a bit out to make it somewhat palatable. Took me some hours across a couple of days to get everything to work.
I had the 8088 bridge installed back in the early days, and was disappointed with it. The biggest reason was, that I was a hard nosed Amiga user, and didn't really need to use the PC side for anything. I bought it installed in a used A2000, so I can't say I had a lot invested in the board.
I also have a 286 board, and was foolish enough to buy and install DOS 5 when it was newly released. What a disappointment that was! That was the last MS product I purchased for a very long time. Thanks for the interesting video, and taking the time to actually get the board working properly.
Few got there in the end. Great video. Thanks
I guess two OK buttons on an Amiga error message are better than one?
Danke Jan für dieses video das zeigt der jüngeren generation was es hiess mit einem computer umzugehen ,denn heute ist dank windows un co alles viel unkomplizierter und verlangt vom user viel weniger arbeit
You have to copy Janus.library to your LIBS: directory. This is where Amiga software looks for library files
With the Binddrivers command, it loads the libraries from the Expansion folder, too. Otherwise the Bridgeboard would not initialize at all. That’s the location the janus.library is installed in by the installer, too.
@@JanBeta might be worth a shot copying to libs: anyway. Can’t hurt to try
That was a fun watch. I was tempted to ask if any of those blue capacitors were possibly broken, that one in the corner looked really bent.
I‘m going to do some more work on the Bridgeboard soon, including replacing the capacitors. I think they are fine, just some basic decoupling as far as I can see, but they are definitely ooold. ;)
@@JanBeta are you going to replace them with electrolytic caps or tantalum? Probably would be better to go with the latter, you likely won't have to do it again for as long as you own the card.
I love how the retro you tubers colaborate so much and complement each other. Always linking to each others channels and not wanting to repeat videos that have already been done. Not likely to see a pay per view boxing fight between RMC and Adrians digital basement or beef between Jan Beta and Noels Retro lab. lol
We all get along pretty well indeed. The retro scene is awesome and really helpful (well, at least the vast majority).
You all seem like well-adjusted adults who just want to learn and explore and share knowledge about and experiences with these old ... oops ... RETRO systems that those of us of a certain age were fortunate to use during our youth.
Hi Jan. Do you know he mechanism for interfacing with the Amiga Zorro bus? Is it acting over a serial connection or something more advanced and magical?
That drive mount is maybe from an Commodore PC1, looks abit the same
I can confirm. Looks exactly like the mounting brackets on my Commodore PC1 I repaired just weeks ago. Even the drive looks similar. So please don't throw them away, Jan ;).
Another confirmation. Drive, cage and cable from a PC-1.
My friend back in the 80s couldn't get his Bridgeboard working. Good job, Jan :-). Put Word and Excel on there :-).
Ah this is something I seriously considered back in the day - getting an Amiga 2000 and such a bridge board - if I was to go into Computer Science back in the day. I ended up going to medical school so that was all thrown out of the window. :P
IT was tested with Microsoft Flight SIm during development to ensure hardware compatiblity. Give it a 8087 if you can find one!
Hi Jan. Nice video! Even though I'm more of an Atari ST person I'm quite impressed about all the options and the bridge mechanism.
I had a hardware 286 emulator on my Atari 1040ST back in 1989 (I think) that I had to solder directly onto each leg of the 68000 CPU! ; it was just a small board with a 286 compatible CPU and a few supporting chips. It was using the Atari RAM (640k of it), graphics, etc. so I don't think you could switch between Atari and PC.
Frohe Weihnachten und einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr an euch alle!
There was a hardware emulator for the Atari ST (and possibly Amiga?) by a German company called Vortex, could it have been that? [Vortex ATonce, perhaps?]
@@MarkTheMorose Not sure, possibly. I wish I could remember.
@@MarkTheMorose Having checked again I think it was a PC-Speed or AT-Speed from German Sack-Electronics. wiki.newtosworld.de/index.php?title=AT-Speed
33:10 Shouldn't there be some kind of drilling accident, if the computer prints "Jan Beta was here" repeatedly? Kidding. One of my classmates had an A2000 with one of those bridge cards. At the time I couldn't believe that he was able to play my DOS games on his system.
Thanks for the video. Not sure if DOS deserves this much attention :P
This kind of reminds me of the other non-PC Commodore computer with a PC processor in it: the 128, with CP/M, of course! It's pretty interesting when different kinds of computers are combined into one unit!
Interesting that it says "emulator," because it was my understanding that if your package is made up of the exact hardware, then it's not emulating anything.
Thought the same thing, but then I wondered what I would have called the little program you have to run to get the interface into it? Terminal program is closest, but also confusing. *shrug*
Sorry, @@bozimmerman, I'm not sure if that's what you wonder or not. I can't answer your question of if that's what you wondered, because I'm not a mind reader. Maybe you should just _tell_ me if you wonder. ;-)
I really enjoyed this, albeit a few weeks out of DOScember. I dreamed of such a machine in the 90s and if my memory serves me correctly, some kind of case I could put my A1200 into and turn into a kind of super cross-platform machine. I am still fascinated by cross platform computers from the 80s and 90s, so more of this please!
Amiga 1200 can be a nice Hackintosh well into the 7.0.6 era
@@jpunyedvideorestorations9347 that would be fun to do!
Back in '93 a coworker on Edwards AFB had a very nice Amiga 500 setup in his dorm room. He had installed a side-car hard drive with a 286 emulator card inside. Although I never got a demonstration of it's use, he stated that it was 'good enough' for his limited PC uses. That pre-installed 286 board must have been tiny compared to the one you are installing in your 2000 as it had to form-fit the hard drive/A500 case-edge. Doubt it could do much past the most basic of applications.
Awesome I use to have an Amiga 2000hd with a 286xt bridge board in it.
Great videos! I loved my Amiga 😊
I remember having a similar board for my Apple //GS back in the day; it had an 8086 and a socket for an 8087, and would run CGA DOS programs. I wonder how many other systems had a similar card?
The Applied Engineering PC Transporter put a Turbo XT in your Apple II. I have one and now kicking myself not doing a video on it this month (another "duh" moment).
I had one of these briefly before moving onto the 286 version for a few weeks with an A2000. Never worked properly unfortunately, so ended my Amiga ownership until 3 decades later!
I used to want one of these so bad! I had/have an Amiga 1000 with a third-party sidecar that gave it two Amiga 2000 slots. I always wanted to get this and put it in the second slot next to my 8MB memory expansion board. But, I just made due with the (slow) Transformer software emulation until jumping to PCs instead.
@29:07 having done this many times before, I find it easier to install the connector on the ribbon cable and then cut it flush AFTER. My A3000 has an A2386SX, two floppies and a SCSI drive and the case barely fits with all the ribbon cables :-)
Yes, makes sense! I’m going to try that next time. :)
I bought my 2000 when it came out with the intention of having the Amiga and PC all in one case.
However it quickly became apparent that it was more economical to just build a PC clone with the additional bonus of not having to deal with getting the bridgeboard to even work!!!
most tech youtubers on december 2020:
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running dos on the amiga
Very funny video, I totally enjoyed it ! Well done !
OK, my jaw dropped when you got X3 running on it. That was cool. And I loved that Commodore gave us CrossDos in OS 3.x. I used it with a couple of floppies I set aside specifically to move files from my old Tandy 1000 to my A500. It was even better when I got a high density floppy for my A500. Dropped that into my Bodega Bay case and I was in heaven!
Jan, I also noticed you had discord on your Mac there. Do you run a discord? If so, how would one get on it if one was interested. And, I can't wait till Amiga April!!
The discord is pretty much supporters only at this point, to keep it small and friendly. :)
I used to have MS-Dos working on my Amiga 500, and word, and multiplan.
If find it weird that the card and software state "emulation" when in fact it's real x86 hardware?
Mmmmmh, maybe I should try to make a video of my Atari Mega ST with PC-Speed emulator, now that I managed to get it back in. A video of me setting up the thing and get it to run etc.
I loved it and it helped me a lot during my studies. It allowed me to work on my programs at home and didn't need to queue for access on the Uni PC's. The lucky thing was that the Uni-PC were Olivetti-M24 computer which had an extended CGA with 640x400 resolution. PC-Speed on the Atari-ST was able to emulate this resolution with its tight SM-124 monitor. This allowed me to tinker the code in Turbo pascal 3 to use this "special" resolution, making the graphical programs we had to write so much better looking. Good times.
28:13 No no no you WANTED the portion with the twist! The opposite end of the wire is the end that's supposed to go to the motherboard/controller! The hardwired twist how the controller assigns latter A or B to floppy!
Not on this system it seems. Just got hold of an original cable from a Commodore PC (for two disk drives) and both connections are straight through. I assume there is a jumper on the drives to determine which one is A and B. Not sure though, still have to investigate.
@@JanBeta I know modern computers would be able to sort it out in software at the driver level, irrespective of cabling. I didn't think that a vintage computer would be able to!
Since now you also have isa expansion slots available on the pc side, would it be possible to get a vga adaptor and xtide card working?
Yes, I'm going to try that soon! Should technically work without any issues.
i have 2 of this, one of them have cpu and ram upgrade. thanks for video, now i know how to install this in my amiga 2000
I think Enforcer would only work or be needed if you running an 68030 with the mmu in working order.
Enforcer is for the most part for memory protection and in the case of the old janus software for disableing the cpu caches witch the 68000 dosen't have.
On my 2000 my bridgeboard works fine with 3.1.4
But i needed to learn a lot.
The partition you want to install the janus software needs to be smaller than one gig.
The entire harddrive could be bigger
It looks like a couple of the ISA slots are the full 16-bit AT version? Did the 286 and 386 bridge boards the offer the full bus width?
I believe so. If you have the slot connectors you can solder them in and have more 16 bit ISA slots.
I had a 2088. I didn't have the 3.9 struggles because I was running 1.3, but I had to do that same thing with removing the chips, cleaning the sockets, and reinstalling them. I don't know if all 2088s were finicky like that but yours is acting just like mine did. I got a 2286 later and it was a lot less troublesome. The first time I built a PC from components, I remember saying at the end that was less difficult than getting a Bridgeboard up and running.
What cf (are these still easy to get now) solution and which controller are you using? Asking for a friend named Amiga 😜
It is amazing there are still examples in the wild
Very interesting, thanks for posting!
thanks for the video, i have the same board. bought it ages ago but i couldnt find any amigas to fit it on so i got a zorro2 board for my a1200 but the project has sat about 20 years now. someday though :D
my friend has this card in 1990 (XT board rather) but there was a dos software emulator for Amiga also
I was confused. I called it still sidecar as the a2000 was out.
When I first saw the A2000 the Bridgeboard was a big attraction. I thought how cool it would be to have a system that could MAC and PC stuff. When I got my A2000 it did come with an AMAX II running System 7 but I never used it all that often and then I moved over to the PC so no real need for a Bridgeboard.
Im not sure but im fairly certain those were Compaq drive rails.
Hi! May I ask you a little help? Does your A2088 PLCC chips run warm? At this time I'm struggling to have my card up and running (Janus lib not found, or sometimes blank screens, maybe its at fault). I noted that the 3 PLCC chips are all plain cold or not warm at all. The disk controller and the two little pla are more than warm instead, but not hot.
I was told it would have been a complicated thing to run, now I'm seeing it for myself! Cheers, M
Couldn't you have tried Hercules graphics mode on planet x3?
I used to have a Amiga 2000 with A2088 Bridgeboard, my biggest regret was to sell them :o(
I used the Bridgeboard to run the PCB making software called TraXedit.
Happy Holidays!
Same to you! :)
I used to run PC-Task on my A1200/030 and it ran MS-DOS software very smoothly.
I don't know if somebody remembers PC-Ditto, the PC experience at another level!
I have rev.4 and there is NECv20-8 on it. Empty socket is for 8087 but I guess it also needs to be 8087-2... maybe
If it was trying to use the hardware from the Commodore PC line, it may support Paradise mode.