Sigma FP-L 61MP Camera Definitive Review | 4K
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Design and Features 02:30 | Autofocus Performance and Video 15:31 | Sensor Performance 27:28 | Summation 39:39 | This video is sponsored by Fantom Wallet. Visit fantomwallet.com/ and use code DUSTIN15 to get 15% off. | Photographer Dustin Abbott shares a thorough review of the new high resolution (61MP!) compact full frame camera from Sigma - the Sigma FP-L | Read the Text Review: bit.ly/SigFPLR... | Visit the Image Gallery: bit.ly/FPLImages | Purchase the Sigma FP-L @ B&H Photo bhpho.to/3rjeLPc | Amazon amzn.to/3slIRTx | Camera Canada shrsl.com/2vi5n | Amazon Canada amzn.to/2PtQmsI | Amazon UK amzn.to/3ske2yD | Amazon Germany amzn.to/3cgzgaX
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I must say, that's very good high iso performance. Even at 25600 looking at it zoomed out, it seemed to be completely usable
Agreed - particularly for being so high of resolution.
Hi Dustin, great presentation as always. Absolutely love your content. As a fp owner and soon also fp L, I do appreciate your professional and fair opinion. Most mainstream reviewers focus too much on what they are used to - and what this camera deliberately does without. I can’t wait to try it out for myself. I will use it on a super light and compact Zhiyun Crane M2 gimbal (500 g) with the 24 f3.5 and a Samsung T5 SSD - with no cage at all. That setup will have around 1.200 g only. Go figure... A full frame camera on a gimbal, able to shoot 61 MP stills and 4K 12 Bit cDNG RAW videos - with the unique possibility to change the focal length while filming from 24 mm to 35, to 50 and to 60 mm and still shoot a native 4K. How is that not absolutely incredible. It probably won’t ever get to Sony levels of autofocus performance, and that’s fine. With the 24 mm attached, I can probably just set it to a fixed focus and keep my distance throughout the shot. And pulling focus manually really is the only way anyway if you really wanna do creative and cinematic shots. But that’s another story.
Hi there, Rokki. Your case use seems like the perfect application for the camera, which does have strengths. They are just packaged in an unconventional way.
The sigma fpl is also a good camera but I am curious to know what is the main reason you chose it over other cameras which have the same price or lower? The sony a7iv has better autofocus and image stabilization. Even if the a7iv doesnt have raw recording, its 10bit footage still has better dynamic range and color accuracy than the sigma fpl's 12bit raw. Probably you prioritize the megapixel count more, and that is understandable.
The only challenge with a very high megapixel camera with slightly weak processor is the rolling shutter, the sigmal fpl has a very bad rolling shutter. At the end of the day, having another camera company is good for the industry and not only comprised with just nikons, canons and sonys.
If you have bought the optional EVF, it would now be in close price range to sony a7sii and canon r5.
Very thorough and honest review. Kudos for concluding that it might be useful to some even if not appealing to you, I think that many ask for all cameras to be made the same just because they like mainstream cameras. Thanks Dustin!
Exactly. I like to remember that not everyone has the same needs/wants in camera gear as I do.
A 45 minute DA video? Hell yes!
I'm glad that's the way you feel. I couldn't pay my wife to sit through a 45 minute video from me :)
I have the FP and it’s a superb little camera. Fabulous images in stills and great for video. The AF is just fine. They were overpriced new and are getting very cheap used. I don’t know if I would pay extra for the FPL
Glad you are enjoying it.
Thank you Dustin for your comprehensive and one of the best frank review on Sigma fp L. As a current Sigma fp owner, I cannot agree more on your opinion on the lack of IBIS and only 49 focus points on this camera. I personally found that it is difficult to get good image quality hand held with lens longer than 45mm due to lack of IBIS, especially in low light condition. Since I also use this camera with Leica M lens, there are some aspects I would like to share when M lenses are mounted and get comments from other users if they experienced the same. First, I found color under Auto WB is unacceptable because it was way too red in artificial lighting, e.g. tungsten light. This is not the case when mounted on Lumix S1. So custom WB is the only solution. Second, auto exposure is alway under. I normally have to add +0.3 to +1ev. And third, Auto ISO tents to stay low like ISO100 even in low light condition.
I would appreciate hearing from other viewers and how to handle it.
So there are FP owners out there! :)
I'm really happy to see you review this! Thanks dustin!
My pleasure!
Your sharpness chart is definitely the coolest.
I like it, too. Thanks!
Best Review until now! ;D how is the rolling shutter?
From what I've read it's around 100ms in photo mode!!!
I did pan some while on gimbal, and it didn't look too bad for that, but it's not going to be good for filming under certain lights, I think
@@FantabMedia uff thats hard but where shall those people know that from? 🤔🐒Sounds more like trolling shutter 🤭
Jeah.... Its such a mess. Really sad.
horrible
Interesting concept, Sigma has a history of thinking outside the box. Hopefully they'll listen to feedback & use it when they go to production.
Agreed.
To cite my girlfriend just now: "Why is he playing peek-a-boo with the camera?" @21:00
LOL - I'm very playful with new cameras. ;)
She should be used to it
At 61mp I kind wish ibis is available . Sadly I suspect there isn’t
Exactly. High resolution without IBIS is kind of disaster.
How do you like the color out of the box compared to Sony cameras ? Thanks.
There's a slight difference, but I didn't see anything major.
Dustin, Thank you for this in-depth review. I am about to purchase a camera for strictly street photography. What are your thoughts about the FP-L compared to the Leica Q2? I like the ability to swap out lenses with the Sigma but am also drawn to the Leica Q2. My only other consideration is the Fuji GFX 50r. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks! Ron
Hi Ronald, I'm not familiar with the Leica Q2, unfortunately. It's hard for me to recommend the FP-L as it is stands right now because the autofocus is so inconsistent.
His main camera system is Sony mirror-less full frame. It's excellent.
You down-sampled then tried to compare resolution? I don't know if that's really a proper test. If the two cameras have dramatically different sensor resolutions, then down-sampling one of them just invalidates the comparison, in my opinion. Then one is a .tif and the other a .dng? Wow, you seem to be adding quite a few variables to the equation. Good and interesting video though.
John, I'm not sure that you fully understand what downsampling does. It is the accepted industry standard for matching resolution and allowing one to view both images at an equal 100% value. A .DNG file is just a RAW file, and a .TIF is created as a part of the downsampling process. I could save it as a DNG file as well, but that would only be adding another processing step. I know you are questioning the process, but what I have done here is the accepted means of comparing two sensors with unequal resolution. A company like DXO does the same.
@@DustinAbbottTWI Thanks for the details, Dustin. Nice video!
Should be a good timelapse camera, if it has an interval timer.
Good points.
I like it, I just don't have any L mount lenses. I have EF, F, and FE lenses so can't justify buying it.
Fair enough.
The minimal design as a concept is very appealing but it does not work if it becomes clunky to attach an evf or whatever. Even for manual work a good evf is even more important to get the most from a 61 sensor. The sony r 4 is about 200 grams more with the evf & ibis & hotshoe with more attachment possibilities. I can use a manual prime 300mm f.5,6 on the r4 and get some great results due to the quality of the evf and ibis. I also have the sigma 65mm and AF and optics paired with the r4 is stellar. the sigma as a design concept is something unique but it seems to me that concept is not realized yet
That's pretty much my feelings, too.
Thanks for this, Dustin. 👌
Is there any provision for remote shutter release?
A cable, for example?
I don't recall what options there were for that.
Nice! We get a deep dive on day one, although I am happy to wait for the always sober reviews. 😅 The walk through for sensor performance on ISO and dynamic range was exactly what I was looking for. 👍
Thanks to Sigma for getting me an early loaner!
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Do your research. The heat sink is sealed, it's just a 'radiator' between the screen and body, it's not a hole.
I did say that Sigma stated that it was sealed
Seems pretty nifty, but I think that modularity will prove to be more of a repellant rather than a strength. I'd be too worried about breaking what looks to be a LEGO camera.
On a side note: good to see Loki growing up fast!
I think that the majority of the camera buying audience prefers to have everything they want/need in the body.
Not every camera is made as a general all-purpose device. With that in mind and knowing the real target audience, why was this camera reviewed as if it is something for an "influencer" or video bogger? It is not even a photo-centric tool. A simple recognition and clear upfront mention of the philosophy the camera was mainly designed around ... i.e. using manual focus cine lens and rigged up with external monitors and recorders at a cheap entry price (for cine) would have clearly sent the message to people looking for a different camera. Instead the review had vibes of a drift car being reviewed as a daily luxury commute. Your audience is varied and mature enough to know that not every camera has to be competing with a phone for features (unless it is a Sony). It could have been so much more influential.
I get that this is your take on it, but that's not the way that Sigma is marketing this camera.
So I suppose this means either the viewfinder or the hotshoe?
I don't see any physical way to make both work at the same time.
I can't wait for the used prices on these to come down to a point where it's justifiable to buy one. The camera is very interesting like all of Sigma's cameras, but this one has too many compromises to justify it's asking price
Definitely
Heatsinks are not open, camera is fully weather sealed, weather sealing for heat sink is behind, on the inner side. Check marketing/reviews when fp came out, 42 points of sealing.
Your reviews are very, very good.
But I wish there was more distinctions between comments on thing YOU KNOW, vs. things you're guessing...
Love the modular concept but could've been implemented better. Like the viewfinder should have been a dedicated pin style connector like a hotshoe on top not to side similar to the Canon m6. The grip probably should have been one of the modules included. But a good step towards modular style cameras.
Fair points.
Very curious why you can pinch to zoom and not touch menu items
Exactly. Sony pulls the same kind of stuff, though.
When you took stills with the 45mm did it hour glass on the screen for a bit after each photo?
Hmmm, I don't remember that happening.
@@DustinAbbottTWI problem solved itself when I realized the various speeds on the sd card I put in the camera. Crisis/panic averted. Thanks for the quick response.
Nice shirt... you should do Ads for that... thanks for share...
LOL - I'll stick to doing ads for the channel merchandise!
@@DustinAbbottTWI I think he meant as a channel sponsor aha
@@detectivejonesw yes .... as a Sponsor
EVF and hotshoe modules can be attached simultaneously?
No they cannot. Another shortcoming.
Hi Dustin!
When I use the mc-11 adapter for my canon lenses to sony cameras I can keep the same great image quality, so I would ask you if also the mc-21 adapter offers the same identical image quality with canon lenses on L-mount cameras????
Thank you!!
I think that's true, but I haven't tested it for myself.
@@DustinAbbottTWI
So, at the end, for landscapes and astrophotography what do you suggest me : a7r4/3 or Fp L ( considering that the lenses are the same, for example sigma 14-24 and 24-70) ???
Thank you very much!!
My result of Sigma fp + MC21 + Canon 135mm f2; auto focus is slow and a bit off focus (on tripod, so no camera shake). With Lumix S1, it pin point focus even hand held (benefit of IBIS). Don’t know about fp L.
Did you mention if the camera has a mechanical shutter or not? The FP had no mechanical shutter, electronic shutter only... Seems an important thing to point out..
I do mention it in the video, but no, there is no mechanical shutter.
Very enticing concept they are following with their FP bodies but it seems like they still have a decent amount of homework to do for future releases in order to make that a compelling option. Basic functionality such as somewhat reliable autofocus just does not seem to be there (I have also seen other videos about this camera which made me come to the same conclusion). Even the old Sony A7 ii has less lag and more confidence for basic single point autofocus, something like an A7 iii just makes it look like a pretty bad choice. You would have to heavily work around to use it for photography with severe limitations and run-and-gun video shooting is also quite limited with not having any IBIS at all. Small and lightweight run-and-gun shooting is what this camera seems to be made for though. I am sure that one or two releases down the line this has some very nice potential if they fix all their mature issues. Just look at how much Sony improved from generation to generation by listening to customer feedback. Their first releases had some cool features but were lacking in several areas as well.
Solid points that I agree with all around.
Hi Dustin. Interesting AF results. Have you reached out to Sigma with your findings to confirm that there wasn't something wrong with your review unit? I don't understand why a company would release a camera like this before they have finished working out all the bugs in the AF.
Hi Daren - the camera was a loaner directly from Sigma, so I would hope they didn't send me a wonky copy :)
I´ve watch a review in which they put this camera as having the best colors and tones ever, pretty much.This statement has any validity? And allow me the apparent silly question, does this camera have better colors that your recent reviewed GFX 100?
Hmmm - I thought the colors were good, but not exceptionally so (like best ever).
@@DustinAbbottTWI I trust your clinic view on this one. Thanks for your reviews
I have both Sigma fp and GFX100S, GFX has much better “true” color and tone out of the camera, at least to my taste. Sigma fp seems to have off AWB when mounted with my Leica M lenses.
There is NO penalty on weather sealing. It's made this way that water cannot penetrate other compartments through the heatsink slots. And the viewfinder is a 3.6 Mdot item. And Dustin...when was the last time you saw a flipable viewfinder?
There is no penalty on weather sealing according to Sigma...but they also designed this camera where you have to remove the protective cover off the connection ports to add accessories. What do you think that is doing to weather resistance. And yes, I misquoted on the viewfinder. You're correct. As for a flippable viewfinder, I don't know if I've ever seen one.
@@DustinAbbottTWI yes there is a potential danger there. But it's the same danger as in any other camera that has a battery pack attached or an external screen or any other accessory that needs to connect to a port. This is not imho a video camera...although it uses the video capabilities of the Fp. This is the perfect landscape/hicker/climber camera. It would also be great as a street photography camera. Anywhere that a light small body with great resolution can be fully exploited.
The only good thing I can say about the ergonomics of this Lego mess, is that for left eye dominate shooters, the VF is so far out to the left that they won't reset the AF point or make grease smudges with their noses Reason enough to switch systems? LOL. Otherwise this appears to uphold Sigma's tradition of designing bodies, guaranteed not to sell.
LOL on the creative ergonomic observation - bonus points for James!
No one in the comment section seem to get excited to get this camera. lol 😆
A very confusing camera!
I'm not sure Sigma has had major enthusiasm for any of their cameras...but they keep making them, so someone must be buying them!
Because it's half baked.
Anyone planning to get this?
The L mount is not just for leica
It’s an alliance between leica Panasonic and sigma
That's true, but its a semantic point that doesn't change anything I just reported on.
*3.68 M dots
That is correct; I did not remember that stat correctly.
This is an early April fools joke right?
LOL - nice
Did that wallet company ever pay you?
Pay me for what? If for doing an ad read, then yes.
Probably the most negatives in any review of yours in my memory. Makes Nikon z af look amazing!
That probably sums up my personal feelings on the camera.
Theres new sigma fp L and theres no news about it. How can this be
It was announced literally like 1 hr ago upon which Dustin Abbott and hundreds of other UA-camrs were able to release their pre-production reviews. Plenty of news.
Curious comment to make on a 45 minute video all devoted to news on this camera...
A little Janky all the add on's
I agree.
too many issues for the price..😂😂😂
Agreed.