HOW TO USE NOISE GATES | How I use them
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- The noise gates / suppressors / reducers in this video: Fortin Zuul, ISP Decimator & BOSS NS-2. In the front end of Marshall JCM800 2203ZW & in the effect loop of Peavey 5150 BLOCK LETTER.
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- Fortin Zuul: bit.ly/3yR4CPm
- ISP Decimator: bit.ly/3uWy0CB
- BOSS NS-2: bit.ly/39UNhKb
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Timecodes:
- General info: 0:00
- The signal chain: 3:51
- In the front end of Marshall: 7:07
- In the effect loop of Peavey: 20:15
#noisegate #noisesuppressor #noisereduction
“Wanna sound good?… you have to play good”! Perfectly said bro!
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Finally a video that thoroughly explains how to use a noise gate! Thanks Euge, you rock man!!
Glad to hear! Thanks!
I’ve been using the Boss noise gate for years. One of the main reasons it’s on my board is the built in buffer. So many pedals with true bypass you can have a signal loss with long cable runs. Thanks for the great demo. Cheers from Arizona🌵🌞
Indeed. Thanks!
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Thanks! Much appreciated 🙏.
Really loving your channel man. Great down to earth, usable content from someone that actually can play. Thank you! Just recently purchased the new revv gate for the fx loop stuff as well. Hoping for the best.
Thanks man! Really glad to hear!
Fortin Zuul Rules!
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Great video as always, I have used the Boss NS2 for years and they are really great and simple to use I also used a Hush 2 super C rack unit which was great.
Thanks!
Man, I love your videos. I ALWAYS learn something new.
Thanks man! Really glad to hear!
Thanks Euge, i can see that i was pretty right in my thoughts about the use in the rear panel, nothing better a confirmation coming of a professional, i am glad! Thank you!
Thanks man! Glad to hear!
Sound Of Silence built me a rig in 2018 and the Decimator is in the efx loop for lead sounds. Göran Elmqvist did a great job in keeping unwanted noise down.
Thanks for the great video Euge.
The ISP Decemator is a "suppressor", I'm pretty sure it extracts noise from the signal, even while you play. Buck Waller from ISP founded Rocktron as well. The Rocktron Hush units, I have one, that came out in the mid 80s did this extraction, along with gating.
I have an ISP Theta Preamp pedal with the built in Decimator. It delivers beyond 160 db of gain, because the Decimator can extract all that noise.
You can be very high gain for leads with sustain at low home recording volume and the noise doesn't accompany your playing. It's a great feature. It is a different animal, a different application.
Thanks!
As always very informative and clear. First of all, I divide the noise into two types, these are the electric background and white noise (hiss). Based on this, I set the noise reduction pedal so that it removes the electrical background, but white noise may be present (good if not, but ...🙂). As a person from the era of analog sound and magnetic tape, I do not think that a little hiss is noise)))
Thank you for the video.
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Thank you very much! Great explanation.
Thanks!
I’ve just started using my TC Sentry with the 4 cable method with pedals and a 5150 and it works perfectly :-)
I got TC Sentry too and that does the job perfect. In heavily distorted or completely clean, without any tweking between those two. Just set it right from beginning.
Cool!
You can gate your amp input for guitar and pedal noise, Then gate your amp FX loop with the TC Sentry for amp line noise. All with ONE pedal. I love that pedal.
Thx euge !! This was helpful man there's a lot more to pedals than what people think...i have a pedal i keep in my chain i like when it's off !!!
Glad to hear man! Thanks!
Excellent video. Blessings.
Thank you!
Great advice as always. I have my ns2 still but I also love the Zuul. I also like some of whoosh instead of that abrupt cut. Most times I play without a gate just use the volume knob. It’s fun being wild and controlling that with muting strings, volume knob.
Thanks! Indeed 👌.
Great Euge, thanks for a helpful sharing
i've been always using the NS-2 in the loop and it works really well
May be giving the Zuul a try in front of the amp to utilize the "clean" clean signal XD
You’re welcome! 🙏🤟
Great tutorial- thanks
Glad to hear! Thanks!
Nice to see that you use multiple gates. I've had a smart gate in the loop and NS-2 in front for years, always getting comments (negative) for using 2. Might have to check out a Zuul to replace the smart gate.
Whatever does the job the best for oneself and others can F off if they have a problem with that 😎.
I agree, I like a little extra organic noise too. Keeps it real!
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Great topic 👏 I am quite sure that you are telepathic 🤘
Thanks! 😎
I got the zuul in my loop and it works really well. The red channel on the evh is even quiet . I do have a decimator2 in my signal chain as well to kill noise from my overdrive but I usually don't have to use the decimator2 unless I crank the amp up really loud.
Cool!
I used the NS-2 for several years but always found it was negatively impacting the sound. I switched over to using the Decimator and it has been a fixture in my pedalboard for almost 15 years now. I might have to try the Zuul, it seems very good and transparent. I have been thinking of patching in a gate in the effects loop of my Marshall SV20H, it has a ton of hiss when it's cranked. Good demo!
Yeah all those 3 I use does the job but if I had to pick one it’d be the Zuul 👌.
@@EugeValovirta230V I'd have to agree. I bought a Zuul+ this week, and it is the best. One pedal gates both the front of the amp and the FX loop. Expensive, but worth every cent.
Those are 3 of my favorite noise gates, along with the TC Sentry. However, when I tried the KMA Pylon, the rest were quickly replaced. The Pylon is insane. It’s like magic.
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KMA Pylon sucks... I bought it because a few reviews here. But it turns out that it really isn't that great as it's presented in videos. It sucking tone so dramatically no matter if you plug it 2 or 4 cable method. When you dial it to amp be quiet it just sucking so much of your tone.... on high it isn't enough and on low it sucking your tone.... I've got another gate on Precision drive and it works decent but KMA Pylon is big dissapointment for me. Next time I'm going to try Fortin Zuul +... Hope it will be so much better than Pylon
@@JEatsM That’s strange. I had the Zuul+, the Sentry, the Revv G8, and the Boss Noise Suppressor, and the Pylon has replaced them all for me. It is much faster at reacting than any of them, and doesn’t suck any tone at all. Toggling it on/off I do not hear any difference in tone at all. I am using mine with the 4 cable method, with the first loop at the front of the chain right after my tuner/buffer, and the 2nd loop right after the amp but before modulation pedals. It has been miles better than any of those other gates I have had. I’m not sure why yours was so bad. That’s a bummer.
@@SDisonYT Yep it's super fast which was the aspect why I bought it. It really sillences any noises. But when I dial it (Thresh knob pointing just at end of A letter -KMA in low settings) when I want to play any notes or do tapping on high E, B or G string, it just can't get throught and sucks almost 80% of signal... Got it 4 cable plugged exactly same like you. For rhytm riffs it's ok, but for melodies it's not. When I loose it for melodies a bit, it's just not closing fast enough for tight chuggy riffs.
@@JEatsM Wow, that’s sucks. Not sure why mine doesn’t seem to be doing that. I do need to adjust the threshold when I switch from high gain to low gain sometimes, so it’s only cutting off only where I want it to, but I had to do that on my Zuul and G8 as well. But other than that, it works perfectly, and I love having the ability to control my amp switching from the gate, and input a trigger from an external source, which my other gates don’t have. I wonder if you got a defective one. Bummer.
Nice video 👍, MXR Smart Gate - super .
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Moi mate, have you tried the Decimator II String model?It has also the 4way system.Thanks for all the helpufull videos!!!
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I didn't learn anything from this video because I do this exactly the way you do, haha. I do include the preamp of the amplifier inside the NS-2 though. And I also feel the same about the NS-2 sound. It does something, but its almost nothing on my herbert and definitely not the 'tone suck' every forum dweller talks about. Low threshold 4 cable method is the way, especially if you put the effort in to reduce the noise of your guitar (and amps) BEFORE you resort to a gate for the last little bit of tidy up.
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Hi Euge, great video as usual. Such an inspirational demo for us. My question is about distortion: Do you prefer using the one provided by the amp (boosted with an overdrive) or a distorsion pedal with an overdrive into the amp clean channel? How would the Noise Gate behave in both situations?
Provided by the amp and boosted with an OD but I got great results too when using my Friedman BE-OD into a clean amp. Whatever gets the job done 👌🤟.
It cuts the hiss / noise 😎.
I run a Revv G8, I really like it, would actually love to get your take on it. I run 3 amps off my pedalboard through a Earthquaker Swissthings pedal to sorta manage things and only run my drive pedals through the G8. Anyway, absolutely great video, Cheers!
Thanks man!
You should definitely try the loop on the NS-2 as it also triggers from the clean input that way, massive difference often overlooked. I use the Decimator G-string that has similar feature, but I still like the NS-2 a lot FWIW ;-)
Yeah that works really well too 👌😎.
Nicely done Euge. I've owned all 3 pedals you demonstrated.. my fav was the Zuul. second was the ISP Decimator G-string and lastly was the NS-2. However, I got to try The GupTech Guul (now called Sun Gate) and it works like as good as the Zuul but for 1/2 the price.
Thanks! Cool man!
A board with three distortion/overdrives and three noise gates. Love it! A couple questions, why do you prefer the phaser before the dirt pedals? I know it’s subjective but I’ve always read/heard modulation effects should comes post distortion/overdrive. Which order would you say gives a more pronounced effect? My second question is about the NS-2. I tried one waaaay back in the day when I was like 16 and hated it. To me it didn’t seem to work right. I don’t know if I was just ignorant and had it set all wrong, but it killed my tone and didn’t gate that well. It’s been about 15 years so I forget the details but I absolutely hated it. Sold it and got an ISP and I’ve used one ever since. I know they have the newer models and the G string and all that but I’ve just stuck with the plain old OG Decimator. Works wonders for me, and I can leave it on during clean playing without it choking out anything. I’ve been wanting to try the Zuul for a while. I run guitar>tuner>wah>od>gate>amp. Could I use the zuul in the same setup and have it gate the clean guitar signal and the OD pedal?
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There’s no wrong or right order to put your pedals. The right order is the one that works best for you so I encourage to just try different combinations. I like phaser & wah before od and other modulation fxs after.
Yeah like I showed in the video (if I remember correct) 👌😎.
Great video! I’ve got my rig pretty close to yours with BluGuitar 1 Iridium and all. I do not use any other noise gate other than AMP1 built-in (metal option). Noise gate built-in is pretty good for 95% of the stuff I play but for ”djentish” stuff I’ve thought about getting one of those Zuul minis. How big of a difference there is between AMP1 iridium built-in noise gate and Zuul?
Cool! Zuul has the key input which is awesome 👌. AMP1s gate works fine too.
Euge, I learn a lot from your videos, thank you in advance for your dedication to teaching the community. I have a question: I'm a guitarist in a band, when we rehearse we have a horrible background sound, it sounds like a frying pan. We've tried everything to eliminate the noise with DI boxes, new cables, noise gates, Power conditioners..... we always have a background noise that bothers both in MAIN and In-ears. Any idea what is causing this noise? The ring is very simple an X32r mixer, guitar (Mesa Mark V), keys, drum and voices. I ask myself if it's not the energy we have in the building. I can't find much information about this on the internet. Grateful.
Thanks!
No idea. But sometimes on some old venues / theaters I’ve played the (electrical) noise is really bad and you gotta just live with that 😎. Sorry but I don’t have a better answer.
interesting video. as you said: volume knob is your gate 👍
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Your opinion on the fact of putting too much gain and the fact that it sounds like a hive, I join you on this subject on my little blackstar id core in the patches shared people put too much in general I will not have more 6am and all its on transistor while waiting to receive my first tube amp (marshall dsl1) which for me will be enough and I already have my ZW overdrive which is impatient to know it
Anyway, I learned a lot from your videos, thank you.
Glad to hear man! Thanks!
I bought a cheap Rowin pedal on Amazon and it works great IDk … I need you to demo a Marshall Origin so I don’t end up selling it 😁
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Is your isp the newer decimator 2 g string?
Technically not just a gate (btw)
For my JVM410 using the four cable method
I have 0 tone soak and the sustain is fine
I also use a keeley mini compressor and a Freaqout with a mission Volume pedal, JHS AT+, JHS Halo, Script 90 phaser, Boss waza Chorus, Keeley neutrino but first in line is a polytune into a Crybaby 535Q
All those boxes with no noise and no tone soak since the buffers are present
With everything in the correct wiring order the isp is the best I’ve used
Also a Marshall user and collector
But just got some Mesa boogie gear in a Mark IV and the new Mark VII
At 62 years old the jvm with that board is best sounding rig I’ve had since ‘81 when I bought
My first JCM800 full stack
(Still got it bro)
It’s the old one they haven’t made in years.
Awesome channel and playing dude!!
On a side note about noise.... i agree 100% on the noise front.
The way they discovered the big bang was due to
radiation noise from the universe, so noise is all around us and
it's something I think we unconsciously desire. From vinyl to movie crackle
etc..
Thanks man!
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Would be interested in hearing your experience with the Zuul Plus. I found it not transparent. It cut low end, compressed / flattened the tone, and added a high end fuzz. Very disappointed.
Oh damn. I haven’t tried that.
@@EugeValovirta230V also you rock Euge! :)
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Do you know which noise reduction rack mount gear was used in the 80s and 90s? Not noise gates but noise reduction pedals and rack mount gear because I'm looking for noise reduction rack not a noise gate. A noise gate will chop off your audio while a noise reduction will cancel out the noise without chopping off the audio signal
Reduction, Suppressor & Gate are just different names for the same thing like I showed and said in the video; set it lightly and it just reduces the noise / hiss, set it more aggressively and it acts like a gate.
I had a rackmounted Rocktron Hush back in the 90s which was quite popular at the time. There was / is different models but I can’t remember what mine was.
@@EugeValovirta230V The ISP Decimator II is more of a noise reduction than a Gate, this is what I have heard. Yes I remember the Rocktron Hush pedals also which they are noise gate than than noise reduction. Noise reduction should have a "comparator sample" which records your hiss, noise, hum, buzz sounds and then compares that recorded sample with your guitar audio. If you use software noise reduction plug ins this is how they work is comparing the recorded hiss, buzz, hum, noise WITHOUT THE GUITAR, then compares it with the recorded guitar track and cancels out the buzz, hum, noise, hiss.
If you set it tight it acts like a gate.
The ISP Decimator is now sold as G String
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Great video!!! There may be another use of Noise gate for instance on a girlfriend or a wife😂.
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@@EugeValovirta230V it’s a pleasure to watch your educational videos buddy!!!
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so in fact you use 2 noise gates, in this video anyway?
In this video I used 3 just to show different gates etc. In real life I use one if needed. I’ve recorded many albums and done many tours without any and my noise suppressor has been my right hand and guitars’ volume knob 👌.
@@EugeValovirta230V yea but for high gain players this zuul pedal you demonstrated shines here cause some people mod their sd1s to have an additional bypass out (clean guitar out like the boss tuner) which is key for not compromising a long chord fade., so adding this out into the zuul key in at the end of the chain seems to solve this, but i yet to see a demo of anyone using a modded sd1, i think one guy had this wah crybaby with a 6 band parametric eq and boost) and it had a bypass1/4 out but he did not use a zuul..
@@EugeValovirta230V hey so I and just about everyone who loves you knows your babe is the 1984 2203, but which video of yours would you say this amp shines? can you share a link of the video you believe captured the best of this amp cause while it sounds great its hard to tell with the stock., seems very little difference.
It’s pretty much a stock but just a bit meaner. The transformers been blown up so they’re not original and some other stuff too during the years but it hasn’t been modded per se. To me it’s just the vibe, feel and tone I get from / with it. It’s not that different from my other 800s. I’ve been using it since 90s and to me it always shines so I can’t name anything special 😎.
@@EugeValovirta230V your videos are a testimony, most guys like Aldriech and even Wylde have techs set things up, Zakk was using peavy amps before Ozzy, hwas too young to know anything...so your dead on and most helpful on UA-cam about Marshalls!