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Bloke has again given in to peer pressure and will take a Chinesium AK, aka a Chinese Type 56S in the OG dropped butt configuration, to @PolenarTactical 's Lynx Brutality 2024 #LynxBrutality2024
To keep up with Ian of @ForgottenWeapons and Ziga of Ponenar, he needs some upgrades. But what's the order of preference? And what are the options for mounting an optic to an AK?
This is the Safe For UA-cam version. There's a version showing the mods on Playeur and on the Weapons and War App. Playeur is here: playeur.com/v/a7sNYI_2TSe
0:00 Introduction and overview of the episode
0:37 Discussion on rifle upgrades and their importance
7:31 Detailed overview of the Chinese type 56 rifle
13:08 Process of replacing the rear sight with a red dot mount
21:49 Preparing for practice and testing at the range
24:10 Discussing ammo use and accuracy with the Chinese AK
27:01 Analyzing the impact of different types of ammunition
30:03 Discussing different shooting techniques and adjusting the reticle
33:04 Handling the rifle and preparing for grouping
34:36 Summarizing the zeroing process
34:47 Expressing gratitude to sponsors and supporters
35:20 Closing remarks and goodbye
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Definitely would love a "How to Spot a Type 56 Chinese AK" sort of video. And as a fellow person with engineering training, the liberal use of cyanoacrylate adhesive is definitely approved (having an aerospace background does mean knowing how to glue things together, basically, since that's literally how composite parts are made).
An aside: it seems that being able to rebuild your shooting position consistently is an underrated skill. And definitely something important in practical shooting.
Also, interspersing some Monty Python is brilliant. I assume we here on UA-cam got the same amount of runtime as the ones in Playeur and the app.
Oh, the not safe for you tube one is a fair bit longer with my mounting struggles...
The milled construction, wooden pistol grip, contourless handguard, hooded front sight and missing slant break usually give them away.
Offset front rivets are usually a dead giveaway. I think only Albania does the same, but those are direct copies of, and even sometimes rumored to be Chinese made themselves.
@@G-Mastah-FashType 56 are stamped, not milled. Learn the rivet pattern, it's the easiest giveaway. Norinco makes some versions that don't have hooded front sights, and have various other changes to make them look like Russian variants ( soviet, 103s, 104s). But the rivet pattern is always Type 56.
So Ian is wearing, Ian/Giraffe dpm, you're in this god awful Chinese blue dpm, now I'm really looking forward to what the outrageous Ziga is going to sport.
😂😂
Adidas Track Suit. Slav Approved.
@@Tarquin21723 I hope in an outrageous camouflage pattern.
Adidas dpm
Nice pyjamas! Good luck for Lynx Brutality!
Those Norinco/SDM/Nedi AKs are everywhere in Europe - they're by far the cheapest military-type rifles here. And they're quality guns by now, with all the important parts properly forged and hardened, chrome-lined barrels, and everything reasonably straight. I was able to get 10cm groups at 100m with my SDM with 12.5" barrel and barnaul ammo.
Your mic picked up a lot more of that blast than I'm used to on UA-cam. Impressive
That Kyrgyz BSP is amazing,awesome, match stuff. Perfect for minute of watermelon
An agricultural fit scope mounting seems somewhat appropriate for this particular type of firearm
(switched over to Playeur to catch missing parts of the video) Dang, that sucks that you had to Dremel your rear sight pin holes! I'm assuming that the original leaf spring and rear sight pin would NOT work with that new mount? I often wonder about the idea of putting a red-dot on an SKS and that rear sight replacement way may be the way to go. Also, your video was entertaining and informative. Thank you!
Wow! Great vid, Stoaty. You're the best!
MsG
I know it's a little late at this point since you're already at Lynx Brutality, but a homade cheek riser might be a good edition to that setup. Rob (AKOU) has a video on using an extra gas tube top cover and an ace bandage for making an improvised cheek riser.
Bandage roll and duct tape cheek riser! Embrace the improvised life!
Or he could have used the Attero mount or TWS bitty dot mount to get the dot lower.
Not a bad AK sight mount option. Years ago, I went with a rather chunky/overbuilt rail system which is still solid and modular but adds a ton of weight to my shorty.
ah, the classic Holy Grail references in full swing.
I hope it worked well for you, saw all the initial Lynx Brutality social media from folks over the weekend, jealous that Arius got to go and do the commentary!
Funny how once you see a thing you can't unsee it. I watched Ian's Electrolux-Charlton video and I keep seeing the parallels between it and the AK, different starting point and execution of the idea but very similar in outcomes, just the Electrolux is Lee-enfield conversion with a side mounted piston and separate return spring set up vs the AK top mount piston and internal return spring on a ground up new design/ redesign of the locking mechanism of the AS-44 ( yes I'm saying that ).
Once its bolted in place I would be tempted to get the gas torch out and braze it on as well as its pretty permenant yet at the same time it can always be de-brazed later. The only other solution I have seen to this is a mount that cantilevered off the stock so you run a pistol red dot in the rear appature position.
Thanks for posting, mounting optics on an AK does not always turn out well.
Cheers, Bloke - may your blue DPM serve you well 😊
We used to be able to buy brand new Chinese AKs for $350 with a case of ammo.
Shocking how many sold in 4-7 years before the 89 ban.
SKS was $100, Mosin was less, lot of milsurps piled up everywhere cheap.
Your rear sight section was a bit like Blue Peter, here's one I prepared earlier 😆Good luck with Lynx brutality
Type 56 wood stock, left as is, iron sights coz i am not blind, works for me. cheers mate.
19:29 great watching the Bloke screwing around.
The ultimak gas tube rail is good to go. I've been running them on a few of my rifles for over 15 years. THey have all been thru multiple 2 to 3 day course and a few competitions. While they do get hot, not one optic has failed or lost zero. This includes all iterations of aimpoints and few eotechs. To deal with the heat, I run an offset flashlight mount and surefire light off the left side that I rest my hand on.
Same experiece here. I’ve used the Ultimak on my Saiga MK 762/Ak104 with an Aimpoint without issues. It does bolt to the barrel and not just as a gas cylinder. And weight is not an issue and I think it balances nicely.
I have also ran an AK at Lynx this year. I basically did the same procedure to zero it. So it is good to have gotten confirmation. Basically had no issues with it. My Romanian AK is just as accurate as yours.
Also thanks for calling me a twat not once but twice on Saturday 😂. (also thanks for the patches❤)
The more i see, the more I prefer the original side mount (RS Regulate)
I've seen a lot of reloaders hating on S&B ammo, especially in rifle calibers, but I love the stuff in my handguns, both in 45 and 9mm. Real quality and I like the fact that their packaging is a lot more compact than most American companies. I can store more of their ammo in the same space.
They're suboptimal for handloading, the primer pockets can be tight and the brass can be a touch on the brittle side.
I have a 7.62x39 upper for my ar and I got 2 shots through the exact same hole with a double tap first time shooting it at 25 yards, beginners luck is definitely at play there. says a lot for the platform imo.
The AK with the Reddot looks sexy
As did bloke in that camo ;-)
The way I learned sight adjustment is FORS: Front Opposite, Rear Same
All that headache, because Soviets didn't liked initial closed top, 1946 AK prototype...
Klashnikov could address issues by moving buttstok onto the back of the reciever, already making it sidefolder on vertical hinge, making a slot in bolt carrier for knuckle on the back end of piston rod, thus turning it from short stroke into long stroke piston action, used one integrated safety/fire mode switch, rock'n'lock magazines. And, as an option on top of all that, slapped the PU scope onto the reciever top. Didn't happend, but it's quite interesting "what if" scenario.
VELL, IT'S VORKING!!
I prefer the youtube cut for some Monty Python and Holy Grail anyday.
I’ve been looking at the Strike rail for exactly this purpose but haven’t picked one up yet. Would you recommend the B&T design over it? I’m guessing the build quality is similar as long as the strike steel isn’t absolute garbage somehow, biggest difference seems to be that this one mounts lower.
With all the talk of ak optic mounting, how do you feel about the polish beryl method
there are no drill mount that use the trigger and hammer pin to mount, use that and some epoxy. here in canada we have very similar problem, our type81 rifles are never designed for optic mount
Are the Zastava AK's available in Switzerland? I bought one a couple years back and off the three AK's I've owned it's by far the best. Using a midwest industries mount and a burris 1×4 optic.
I don’t know if I’m going nuts but I think I heard a cow mooing when you were talking about the rear sight before 14:48
Nah, no cows were anywhere near.
Frist time I held a AK (AKM), i was surprised how small it was. Like a toy gun. And the frist time I shot a M16A2 i didn't understand why the empty brass was deposited in a fist size pile.
Like the optics mount being a backup iron sight. How well did it go with the Holo-Sun?
Holosun is good, and the setup has been working fine
You really should look at the Ultimak rails they do not move once installed i have them on several AK’s and once they are in place they are very solid, have never seen anyone post evidence to the contrary.
I'd imagine you being in Switzerland, you could still get a Zenitco B33 dust cover mount system from Russia. I've though about replacing the entire Rear Sight Base with a sabrewerks KOP system but that might not be known on the other side of the pond.
I wouldn't feed the Russian economy right now.
Whilst overseas doing government work with local folks, i had a few chances to shoot a stamped-receiver Type-56 from 1984 (best date ever for an AK). Compared to other AKs on-site, including Romanian and Egyptians, it was ace! Literally half the group size. I wonder if not all Chinese AKs are equal, and some get the 'good factory' treatment?
There’s a persistent myth in China that chicom export aks are better than domestic use aks for the pla.
@@EXO9X8 that's interesting, hadn't heard that one. I don't think their mainline units have received an actual AK in decades, but maybe back in the day it was a thing? I've still got a niggling feeling they made/make all kinds of kit to varying standards, some dreadful ..... others pretty decent. The end result is folks might get caught up in a trope that Chnese product-X is always trash/awesome.
Theyre all equal, but some are more equal than others.
That S&B 124gr is quite hot, 2404fps average of 4 shots out of my vz58.
And I live in the world of the $2.5k-$5k Chinese AK 😢😂
O'Bloke surfaces? That Chap-ter of the video should have been made dans l'atelier.....
The AKs I shot in the army during OPFOR weapons familiarization wore out your trigger finger by slapping forward, and on my frame, the stock is too short to shoot comfortably.
My WASR GP10/63 (Romy/Cugir cheap AKM) did the same thing. It was actually painful after two mags. The standard FCG is terrible about hard resetting. Virtually any aftermarket trigger group fixes that. I bought an OG Tapco G2 AK trigger almost two decades ago, and it was a huge improvement.
Is there a link to the buy you a coffee (i assume kofi?) thing somewhere? I'm not seeing it in the description with the other links but could very well be being stupid. Cheers.
Yup! buymeacoffee.com/blokeontherange
is the Type-56 a good variant?
What contry are you in where you are allowed these cool guns
Switzerland
I wouldn´t trust superglue for that. since it hardens solid and could break loose from recoil impulse. something like vibratite should be better suited
The like was for the Monty Python reference.
I was going to give you one anyway, but...
I use almost exactly the same mount on my AK, but mine is an ATTERO mount
The attero with the hole patterns to direct mount your red dot allow for a good cheek weld and have been rock solid for me, and as an added bonus include a back up rear sight
Why not weld a Pickatinny rail to the top of the top cover like PTR do on their G3 clones? Or if you don't want to permanently alter it acquire a second cover and do it to that one and swap them as required.
G3 welded rails are firmly attached to the receiver. AK top covers are not exactly rigidly attached to the receiver and have a mixed history of providing a stable, non-shifting zero mount bases.
AK top covers are not rigidly mounted at all. It's really just a sheet metal cover to keep debris out of the action.
There's a series of Valmet/Galil/R5 videos on FW that show why you can't weld rails to bog standard AK top covers.
Cos the top cover on an AK isn't really attached to anything in any kind of even vaguely solid fashion 😆
If you watch field strip videos of an AK and G3, you will notice, that G3 don't have removable top cover at all, it's upside-down, U-shaped reciever. Rail welded onto that is rock solid.
When mounting an optic on a semi-automatic rifle, always pull the optic BACKWARDS before tightening it...wise advice from ERATAC ! 😉
On a bolt action rifle, it's the opposite, always push it forwards before tightening it.
400 m battlesight? I think the Russian one is smth like 280?
isn't that rear sight and sight mount also 'hinged'?
It is, but also it's tighten solid "permanently", unlike the top cover on hinge, that need some tiny bit of play in order to be opened.
Ah that rear sight mount is a great solution, if a little bit chintzy. One of those obvious, but not obvious ideas.
Or you can just an RK.
Oh, Lynx?
My bad, wrong kind of brutality.
talk all the trash you would like on the gas tube mounted optic but I ran one for about three years in competitions and no problems hitting out to 600 with it. Out to 400 yards was not an issue but 600 is doable.
Those make the AK even more front heavy
The sino Vietnamese war took place in 1979. Perhaps you are thinking of the American Vietnamese war ?
How would the chinese capture a viet ak during the american involvement?
Can you put a muzzle brake on your AK?.
Yes
@BlokeontheRange I was thinking you might be better off with a brake rather than a suppressor when you shoot your match . It will be interesting to see how you get on . I've owned several types 56s over the years, and I agree that the option you choose for mounting your red dot is the best option . I live in New Zealand, and sadly, we can no longer lawfully use semi-auto rifles . All the best with your match, and I look forward to seeing how you get on .
Since you mentioned the inflated cost of your ak in Switzerland, I have a suspicion that your income is better than your job would be back in blighty. So overcomeing the difference.🤔 I have a well travelled friend who was In Africa recently and you can still get a russian made ak ( so well handled that it's almost polished) for 4 sacks of maze 🌽 in the right places. Anybody interested in mounting an expedition to retrieve some earlier milled models as they are getting quite collectable and are rather pricey in the auction houses. Only joking as I can't imagine the fuss at customs with them 😄
Africa is an entire continent of 54 independent nations. You certainly can't buy an AK for 4 sacks of maize in every country. I live in Kenya and yes, we have a proliferation of small arms in our remote regions, but the penalty for being caught with an AK is life in prison, so I would strongly discourage you from coming here and trying to buy one.
There was a man a while ago told me I could get a hand-made AK for a tenner.
But I had to collect it myself.
It couldn't have been a leftover from where the Russians had been up the road.
You should get a cheap eotech clone.
Nerp, that height over bore really doesn't need to be worse than it already is..
My Dear Mr Bloke, a question:
What's the B&T rear sight mount made of? Is it 6061 aluminium? Thank you and best of luck at Lynx. May you Iraqi police SWAT larp be a raving success. Gus
Steel
@BlokeontheRange Steel eh? That is surprising ...... so Swiss. It's probably heat-treated too. Thank you for replying, Gus.
is this a Nedi?
Yes
That unpainted hand guard. 😀 greetings from St. Gallen
What do the English call the single day of the year where it isn't raining?!
Obviously haven't been here as last year we had long sunny drought when everything went brown and started to die
Bloke lives in Switzerland……
@@pghgb5572And yet he can talk and stay dry better than a certain PM.
@@pghgb5572 my bad I thought it was strange that he could have a Type 56 in England but that explains it.
@@themightiestofbooshes9443 if they did a straight pull Type 56, it would be okay in the UK - it’s the auto/semi-auto operation that’s the problem.
Yeah... minute of angle is vastly overclaimed. Somebody gets a good group then goes around claiming their rifle shoots "sub moa all day long" when actually they got lucky once and can't reproduce it consistently
Exactly 💯
I had a stirling 22magnum i got a zero moa group of 1 using open sights with my eyes shut...
Yes i hit the centre of the 10 ring at 100m with a single shot with my eyes shut...
Did i claim that rifle was 0moa? F no lol...
Do i claim to be the ARSIEST BASTARD in australia? Yes yes i do...