Is DLSS A Game-Changer For Nintendo Switch 2?
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Dlss makes a big difference. Framerates goes up and we get better anti aliasing. I think this is a huge win. Ive been hoping one of the major of the major consoles would get it
For framerates, not really, and for antialiasing probably. Switch 2 is still going to be close to a theoretical RTX 2050, which doesn’t give it enough performance to overcome overhead and do proper DLSS to boost FPS unless aggressively upscaling, which means blurrier images.
It will definitely help, but given the constrains, is not going to be as amazing or as noticeable as the full PC version.
There will definitely be some games that look better on the Switch 2 over the main 3 consoles due to DLSS giving a cleaner image. Look at Alien Isolation the image was sharper and cleaner on the Switch Vs PS4.
It'll make hitting 1080p much easier.
You've never used upscaling if that's what you think. The image will look far worse if you upscale around 1080p than just playing at Native 1080p
@@mysterymeat1216 I have a 4060 ti. I know damn well what Nvidia DLSS can do with a 720p image. It. is. flawless.
Upscaling to 1080p looks a blurry mess
@@angelc9722 Not to everyone, and not on every game, and especially not with DLSS. With FSR I completely agree with you
@@angelc9722 Not on an 8 inch screen, it doesn't
I must be blind or something because 1080p and 4k to me is such a small difference in quality. Yes I can tell that 4k is sharper looking but I just don’t care.
Same
Raise your standards
@@EdwardSnortin What standards? My standards for art are extremely high. I would assume much higher than yours.
It's more noticeable the bigger your TV. If you have a smaller TV or monitor you won't notice it as much. Although I feel I still can, but the biger the TV the more noticeable it becomes!
@@flynnneil88of course it depend on your TV size.. below 40" you wont notice much but bigger than that its clear as day..
I would predict that it's 1440p rather than 4k.
yeah, 4k seems unlikely except in very limited scenarios. 1440p still looks fantastic on high end TVs (love my Series S on my 55" OLED)
Definitely not since there are no 1440p TVs.
Exactly, not sure why no one says this. People think it’s one or the other, but this is a fair in between resolution. Would be fine with 1440p if most games also hit 60fps.
@kennypowers1945
Didn’t stop a thousand Switch games from running at 720p when very few people are using 720p TVs. We are talking internal resolution, of course the Switch with “support” 4K resolution TVs. But the games will likely run at a lower resolution. Also, pretty sure many modern TVs can be set to 1440p.
@@mrhobs yea, because "4k" is a buzzword. I have never heard any media suggesting anything below that, despite them always saying "4k is just a possibility" & "top hardware performance is never Nintendo's concern". 😅
Memory bandwidth is still the Achilles heel for switch 2 (or any handheld device that has a strict power budget).
Yeah only 88gbs of memory bandwidth is very low.
@@ZackSNetwork it is as low as 88 and can be as high as 137.
@@ZackSNetworkstill a huge jump over the X1's bandwidth
@Loundsify iirc All X1 games automatically made use of the 32MB of ESRAM in X1 by storing at least a portion of rendertarget data in the ESRAM, it wasn't something devs HAD TO code for (however they could if they wanted to). As such ESRAM significantly enhanced X1 overall memory bandwidth, it wasn't just the 68GB/s the ddr3 provided.
@@ZackSNetworkWelp we got 120
4k sounds like it'd be very rare on this. Maybe 1440p could be a more looked for target.
Only way I can see 4k being a big part of the Switch successor, is if it's backwards compatible & has the ability to enhance the Switch game library, upscaling them to 4k.
Although i guess that would bring in to question cross gen titles. Theoretically, what would you do if you had a Switch version of Metroid Prime 4 that could be upscaled to 4k, and a next gen version of Metroid Prime 4 that looks much better, but it's in 1080p?
Better image fidelity/effects/lighting at 1080p looks better than lower image quality at 4k.
@@doughboy_6439 I agree. 1080p is a perfectly fine resolution for the vast majority of games, handheld or presented in a tv.
My 2 cents:
1. I think games that hit 1080p 60fps on Switch already look great on a good 4k TV. I regularly play Splatoon 3 on my LG C1 and I think it looks awesome. The art style and vibrant colors allow the game to look excellent despite its limitations. While I have no doubt it would look better in 4k, at normal viewing distance it already looks crisp and clear to my eyes. It's my hope that Nintendo utilizes the extra power of the Switch 2 to bring games up to this level first, and then push them further if possible. I would take a stable 1080p 60fps over 4k 30fps with frame drops and stutters.
2. I don't think Nintendo really has to worry all that much about how powerful their hardware is anyway. The real power of Nintendo is in their IPs. If you want to play the newest Mario, Zelda, or Pokemon, you're gonna have to get the Switch 2. (Yeah, I know, you can emulate. How many people can really be bothered to fiddle with that though? Convenience trumps all for most people - that's why streaming is vastly more popular than physical media. So until it's as easy to play Mario Kart with your friends through an emulator on your Steam Deck as it is to play natively on the Switch 2, I don't see other handhelds as a major threat to Switch 2 sales. No more than emulators on PC already were, anyway.)
pretty much I agree, but then the reason why we hoping its power to be more powerful is mostly for us, not for Nintendo. I just wish the next their console can replace most of my game library, for convenience sake. after all that fuss about umpcs, no one still actually topped Nintendo's form factor. we need handheld console that can actually can be carried around.
I wonder if in updates to the system and or games they will update dlss and image quality will improve on games that have already been out, much the same as on pc, but you can do it yourself on pc.
My one worry is that game devs have used FSR so damn haphazardly this generation on PS5/Xbox that you have games that look blurrier than the previous generations when it gets used because they are trying to upscale 720p to 1440p or 4k. I worry that with the Switch 2 that devs will be trying to upscale 240p to 1080p or something stupid.
Good to see common sense in the comment section. I hope to be proven wrong, but I predict we will see a Switch x1.5 with DLSS reliance to boost resolution.
That's not how you utilize FSR tho... 240p vs 720p image qualities are vastly different the latter can still retain alot of details, hence why it's the most use resolution for upscaling...
If you're gonna upscale from 240p to 1080p then might as well just render your game in native 720p for a more stable image at that point.. Switch 2 can definitely handle that at least since the current switch can do that.
@@vivid8979 Theyre aware thats not how it is intended to be used. The point is that devs as of late seem to be running low on time optimizing their games as publishers are looking to get games out asap, which causes games to utilize upscaling as a crutch rather than what its supposed to be used for (obviously UE4 and 5 is to blame here as well). Also publishers want the console marketing to say "4K graphics" or whatever tagline, so this upscaling allows for these things to be techincally true even if obviously it looks and runs badly.
Ideally all games hit 1080p to 1440p in docked mode @60fps on Switch 2. Who knows if thats what will actually happen in practice or how well it will be implemented, especially as another commenter pointed out, due to memory bandwidth still being a design constraint.
DLSS is a lot better than FSR
@@PantsaBear While there'an increase of said games.. Nintendo on the other hand (aside from Pokemon, I know it's made by gamefreak but still ) have no track records of such constraints.. This is the first they will utilize AI upscaling so we'll see..
Maybe 4k if the dock have a graphics card build in to it. 🎉🎉🎉
Tom stays so still in certain parts that I thought his video feed was an image.
Same
Tom? You mean Anakin on the botom right?
I wish people would stop talking about 4K as if it was anything other than a resolution. I have no doubt in my mind that the Switch 2 will support 4K, that's not even a question. It just will. The question should be how powerful is the hardware and how many games will actually be able to run at 4K. And how many will they want to run at 4K as opposed to using the additional power elsewhere. And the answer to that is.... depends on the game
I wouldn't expect a Switch 2 port of CyberPunk or RDR2 to be able to run at 4K at any usable framerate even if DLSS assisted. But a 2D Mario game or a remaster of a GC title? I see no reason why it couldn't do those at native 4K. Realistically I could see a fair amount of Nintendo's library being 4K because, when you go down the list, most of their first party output is either fixed frame, on rails or 2D. Not everything is Tears of the Kingdom or Super Mario Odyssey
People talking about resolution when I’m thinking of playing totk at a stable 60 fps and 1080p on handheld mode
@@mr.smart75 literally all that i care about
@@marcospiresgonzalez9180 some people just want 4k for no reason
@@mr.smart75 I just care about 30/60 stable fps, everything else it's just decorative
@@marcospiresgonzalez9180 a stable 60 fps for totk and at least not 4k but like 1080p with 60 fps
I think with all the recent rumors of a unvented switch 2 in handheld, and then over 4 teraflops when docked coupled with a new kickstand with greater flexibility / range of motion. Nintendo could possibly have a larger array of vents in back toward the top that are completely covered while in handheld. Once the kickstand is unfurled it may wrap around tin opposite direction covering almost entirely the front of switch protecting the screen while sliding into dock and allowing for maximum ventilation.
Those rumors are based on nvidia leak from 2021, its 2020 info (as the info in the leak is from that year), none of this stuff is new, and if had to guess its even outdated at this point, just sayin
Maybe so. But all I’m saying is all pieces line up and are totally feasible. Time will tell.
I wouldn’t expect an actual 4k model when docked. But I wouldn’t be quite satisfied with 1080p in docked mode again. Maybe a nice middleground for the the switch 2 in docked mode is an output at 4k with all the hud elements scaled at 4k so you dont get huge 1080p hud elements, but keep outputting the the gameplay at a lower than 4k resolution
I basically don't see much of a difference playing in 1440p vs 4k on a TV. It might show up when playing on a monitor sitting close or when playing on a 150" inch blown up screen from a projector.
So, if Switch 2 could do upscaled 1440p at 30fps, it is still very good for TV. And if it could do that using DLSS balanced instead of performance mode, then it would be really good. I know it is too much to ask for DLSS quality mode. Probably if they had gone with Blackwell, instead of Ampere based Tegra, it might have been possible and would have resulted in an exceptional handheld that competitors simply couldn't match in next few years in raw power.
The dock itself may have a co-processor for 4k output. That would be cool. Kind of like their old patent...
If so, would/could a switch 2 pro dock being released later in the life span of the switch 2?
System upgrade without buying a entire new system?
@@stephenembry4038 seems unlikely since we have only seen marginal mid-life upgrades (Gameboy line and new 3ds) to be implemented post-launch of a flagship console. It would probably a baked-in feature from the beginning as a standard feature.
@@StiffAftermath if the dock just helps with upscaling it would not be bigger than difference in power in 3ds models. Right?
I dont know if they would but it would be technically possible?
But when you say co processor? A chip for more than upscaling?
@@stephenembry4038 so the dock would have a pass-through gpu chip in there so when the video is outputting to the TV, it upscale it to 4k. This is not needed in handheld. So a dock would be a perfect point of enhancement without sacrificing power consumption in handheld mode. The New 3ds was a seperate SKU and was an integrated upgrade that created a gulf between 3ds and New 3ds game development. The Switch2 upscaling dock is exclusively for TV play, thus using FSR or like upscaling technology will only be applicable when in docked mode.
I believe Gray Zone Warfare has all the upscaling methods and is on ue5.
I don’t have any need for a super high power Nintendo console. My normie brain would be pleased by 1080p at 30fps. I’m a happy lil girl when I get to take my Zelda to AP Physics
youre part of the majority but i also think its fair to say high consumer expectations put more pressure on companies, ergo more innovation. its absolutely valid to be disappointed by a shitty underpowered machine (like the switch now that its late in its life cycle)
@@jaylikesolives1821 the only situation I would see that applying is when you’re dealing companies that fulfill the market demand for high powered hardware. Like I get consumers wanting higher power Nvidia cards because they’re historically known for innovating in that field. But Osama Bintendo has always been about leveraging old hardware to make innovative mechanical changes to the games. Also, bad take cuz the switch now is goated. There’s so many options for consumers like the switch OLED for those expecting better quality or the Lite for maximizing gameplay at the smallest price. I can’t imagine not being impressed by being able to play Tears of the Kingdom with the low barrier of entry at 200 dollars. Or having the OLED and being able to play the latest and greatest Nintendo games on the best screen. Nintendo continues to benefit from marginal fidelity improvements and major gameplay changes.
@@hedonisticzombie fair.
@@hedonisticzombieI agree if it was generally usable but I tried the oled and it was awfully slow! Maybe when it’s usable like a normal steam deck or a phone with a nice stand
It’s kinda amazing how Nintendo managed to bring girls to video gaming!
Steam deck level performance with DLSS added on top will be huge especially because developers don't optimize for steam deck generally.
They optimize for pcs and steam deck can play them because it's a portable pc.
Switch 2 just like switch will have optimized games by default.
When you look at how far above is weight the switch has punched with decidedly outdated hardware, switch 2 at steam deck with DLSS will be a MASSIVE gamechanger imo.
8 years of mobile technologies gap are so massive. Can't brain what Nintendo can do with a Switch 2 than the 2015 Switch technologies. DLSS alone is massive
It's mostly first party games that are optimized for the Switch anyway. Well optimized multiplatform games like Witcher 3 are rare, because most of them settle for "playable" while their art direction suffers. I hate these games that look like potatoes on the switch relative to their HD versions and still couldn't manage to run at a consistent framerate.
@@khinrunite but you're missing a huge component. Switch was well behind last Gen and pc, so optimized games were harder to pull off. See panic button, for example.
Being at steam deck level, then adding DLSS, means it'll be within spec of modem portable pc gaming.
Plus, no one expected switch to sell like it has.
Now Nintendo has been proven.
Those two in combination will lead to much more optimization, meaning the possibility of much greater visuals and performance.
the ps5 and seriesX both struggle with "proper" 4k, my 4080 and 7600x require upscaling as well.
asking the mobile based switch successor to support 4k, in any guise, is a reach.
it's going to be a strong 1080p machine if we want it to still be a handheld. maybe and a big maybe with upscaling to 2k
4k? naa fam, don't set your hopes that high unless your want them dashed to the carpet and then wine poured all over...
1440p would be a good plenty tbh
Depends on the game. The turists runs at 8k 60 fps on pst and most games that are nit that demanding can run at 4knon mu 3070
I could see it happening in first-party Nintendo titles, as their graphics tend to be much more simplistic and stylised. But yeah, in third-party ports it would be a miracle to see it pull off a 1440p input without massive compromises.
I am fine with 1080p, but a true 1080p with proper aliasing because the switch hurt my eyes with its miserable resolution
@@JulliusTheGreat if they use dlss, it’ll have antialiasing built in
Nintendo will never put out a high spec machine relative to competition, they’ve just sold 140m units with 18yo technology. Nintendo will 100% go in the opposite direction they’ve made more money in the switch era surpassing the combined profits of 1981-2016. There is no incentive for them to deliver a 4K Series S/ps5 level product. We will get a 1080p 60fps 8gb - ps4 pro level at best and I will be happy with that.
Leave everything to Nintendo's partners in play NVIDIA. Playing games in 4K in docked mode is the ultimate game changer.
The base console should have an OLED screen with a minimum 90Hz refresh rate. With DLSS upscaling from 720p to 1080p it will look flawless and incredible! There's no need for 4K in this context (and not realistic in any case), I would prefer more details/post-processing at high refresh rate
Everspace 2 just got an update to UE 5 and has all of the upscaling methods in up2date version from what I can tell. This would be a game that has it all.
Will they throw a NPU in last min or slim down?
NVIDIA GPUs and SoC already integrate an NPU
In a perfect world would love more developers to prioritize perfomance mode (1080 p 60FPS) and Graphics mode (4K 30) especially if they want to future proof like ypu said with 4K displays increasing to be the norm
What specs does the switch 2 to get more third-party support
Stay tuned...
I’m surprised more Nintendo fans don’t just use a 1080p TV for Switch. Looks so much better than crappily upscaled by a 4K TV scaler. Glad I opted for a 1080p TV in 2017, even the 4K was already affordable, but now I’m looking to finally get an awesome 4K OLED TV and have my Nintendo games look great on it. (Even if they’re only 1440p or whatever, still a big improvement.)
What? You're surprised there aren't more people with a separate worse tv to use with their switch docked?
I made that comment on some other video today or yesterday, but I think it'll be a massive advantage for switch 2 to have a native nvidia hardware, dlss is far superior to other upscaling techniques and a proper implementation of frame insertion, and I think we'll see some magic with 15/10w tdp.
Xbox handheld is rumored to be nvidia also
In my experience, TSR looks notably better than most XeSS and FSR2 implementations, where XeSS dpa4 generally looks better than FSR2.2, but sometimes you end up trading one problem for another. At a TV-viewing distance they can look pretty similar, where TSR will look quite a bit better. TSR and XeSS seem to be about as heavy as each other too. Of course, this is all on a game by game basis.
If nothing else I'm just excited to see DLSS or DLAA used on the switch so first party games will have some form of AA lol.
Switch 2 will be (a) the most impressive piece of gaming hardware to date and (b) the most successful piece of gaming hardware to date.
If it can manage 1440p at 60fps with dlss quality in breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom I'll be interested. If most games are going to be 30fps again I'll slip like I did with the switch and just emulate on PC lol. Couldn't care less about the portability factor, I just want to be able to play at 60fps but not look like a blurry and jagged mess on my 75" screen
The issue is that we may well be looking at slightly improved components with an overreliance on DLSS. Sure DLSS is great, but the resolution has to be decent - DLSS won't be any good for a game running 480p30.
I think 720p has to be minimum for decent image
@@Radek494 And I believe 720p will be the minimum resolution the Switch 2 will present, even with the most demanding titles. It's the logical evolution from the 480p that we have in some Switch titles.
We exclusively use the Switch in docked mode. I am surprised that the general opinion is that most use it mostly in handheld mode.
Nintendo has been filing their own IA upscaling patents so DLSS might not even come into play.
Using Nvidia's TPU?
It isn’t so much about what the Switch2 can accomplish at launch, but what it will be capable of 2+ years into its lifecycle. Next gen for consoles will be here as early as 2026/2027. Steam Deck by about that time too. Also, Apple is flexing its mobile gaming ambitions with bringing over a few big games recently.
It will be switch all over again.
Improved PS4 ports in the beginning, PS5 ports with major compromises and a few select PS6 / advanced UE5 titles that will be called "impossible ports".
I suspect the same talking point about the switch’s underwhelming performance will be reiterated 2 years into the switch 2 lifespan.
It’ll be DOA like all Nintendo products.
@@youtubeaccount7544 What 😂😂😂? Like do you understand youre insane and need mental help or is this the part where youre seeking attention for it?
@@youtubeaccount7544 man so like i totally get this is trolling but imma bite for a sec just to say, man r u even trying? im not asking that aggressively or with some snuck premise, im tryna talk like a bro ur rooming with who just saw u post that. good bait at least doesnt directly fly in the face of 7 years of ridiculous sales. like im being fr bro at least try next time man
I have a feeling that a relatively low-power chip on a Nintendo console is probably not going to leverage DLSS. That also means all Nintendo games will need to be trained on the AI for DLSS (Deep Learning Super Sampling) which I think Nintendo game developers will be resistant to.
If they use it then it might be a background thing that is not heavily advertised, and they shouldn't guarantee that it will upscale to 4K because that is not realistic for a low-power chip. They also shouldn't advertise it will upscale to 1440p because the average consumer doesn't really care about that resolution (televisions are either 1080p or 4K typically). If anything they will use DLSS to upscale from 720p to 1080p so we can finally get Breath of the Wild at a stable 30, or 60 frames.
Nintendo has not bothered to push the boundaries of technical specs for a long time, and they are not going to start with a Switch V2. I very much hope it is about 3 times more powerful than the Switch from 2017, but it will not compete with Sony and Microsoft unless they are ditching the mobile form factor and charging $500-$600 for it.
DLSS should have been added to the OG Switch. it would have made a huge difference, though devs would have to do more work.
I'm more worried about its form factor than its power. I bought Lenovo legion go few days ago, and I must say this, that thing is anything but not portable. it seems switch 2 also got increased at its size, at least I just wish the thickness and weight are not increased that much.
But will dlss work without internet when you're playing not at home?
Why shouldn't?
Why shouldn't?
DLSS does not need an internet connection.
Why wouldn't it?
DLSS isn't cloud based 😂
But for real are you saying a Mass market product have an rtx?? Bro..
I think as graphics get better you need the image clarity and frame rate to actually get the best of those extra details in gameplay. A good developer knows how to balance/optimize their games.
Otherwise you're just being a "busy idiot" as the saying goes.
I really REALLY dont want these upscaler technologies.
If games start running at sub-720p resolutions upscaled to 2160p someone's dying.
The hardware itself is just one factor of the equation. You also have to look at software support from third parties and software offerings from Nintendo directly.
Doesn’t matter as long as companies force TAA. No game looks good with it
It's not necessarily forced by companies. Most modern engines are using modern rendering techniques meaning that older methods of anti-aliasing are unusable such as MSAA, so all we really have access to is TAA or SSAA (through internal resolution scaling) and a few other temporal or post process methods. DLSS is also basically upscaled TAA as it uses the same temporal data. There's word that the new UE update will allow for new methods similar to MSAA, however so many rendering techniques with lighting, particle effects, ambient occlusion etc. are heavily reliant on temporal data so I wouldn't expect it to go away anytime soon, especially with how effective it is at 4k compared to how performance heavy older methods like MSAA were at that resolution. I would agree at 1080p and 1440p TAA is a horrible blurry mess but at 4k it's totally usable and you can have a very sharp image with minimal to no detail loss. Sometimes even gain some detail with DLSS Quality at 4k.
@stevetriple8 Problem is what developers almost never want to TWEAK Taa inmplemetation.Thanks to pcgamewiki you can add sharp or fix jitter in simple .ini document, and last version of UE 4 has a very nice TAAU which almost like TSR in UE 5.
Super Nintendo Switch 👍
I'm willing to bet the ports are still going to happen, most likely will increase this generation. A ton of late gen PS4/XboxOne games could find their way over. Ob iously brand new games are very welcome but I don't see a shit ton of 3rd party exclusives coming unless Nintendo struck some big deals. We all know how they are when it comes to spending some coin
Just keep it at 1080p and either 60 or 120 FPS
4k on TV, 1080p handheld.
My money says that it’s about 75% as powerful as a PS5 when docked - with small caveats.
It will be the same as a GBA with upscaling
'Game-Changer'. I see what you did there.
SOMEGUYPERSON
Switch punched above its weight when it was launched.
DLSS will allow Switch 2 to become the Electric Boogaloo of handhelds.
I wouldn't say "electric boogaloo"
I would call it the avengers of handhelds
Lmao what? The switch was underpowered the second it was released and it showed
@@mysterymeat1216 the gpu was good, comparable to the snapdragon 855 according to geekerwan a high end android chip in late 2018 , cpu not so much. The ram speed was average.
@oo--7714 the switch is a slightly more powerful PS3. For 2018, that's absolute dogshit. Especially when it was $300 at launch
@@mysterymeat1216
Butthurt sony fan detected
The Switch's best games mogs anything on the PS4 & PS5
cry more
8 years of mobile technologies gap are so massive. Can't brain what Nintendo can do with a Switch 2 than the 2015 Switch technologies. DLSS alone is massive
If the Switch 2 retains a 720p screen but the games in handheld mode play at native 720p with locked 30 or locked 60fps that would be excellent. When docked, being able to play at 1440p 30fps to 60fps would be nice.
The switch is most important in its handheld cuz I feel that’s how most people play it, but being able to leverage DLSS to have 2k at good frames would still be great. Not everything needs to be 4K. Most performance modes on the main home consoles don’t run at 4K unless it’s in a cinematic/quality mode and many of them still aren’t consistent at 30.
If they arent building this thing to run n64/gamecube fully path traced what are we even doing
It's going to give Nintendo the forbidden technology... antialiasing lol. Something they've never heard of
The N64 was the first console ever with Anti Aliasing, while the PS2 struggled with it...
AA is a choice of the Devs. We have seen heavy TAA on Titles like Xenoblade and FSR+FXAA on other titles.
The fact they they rarely implement that is mind boggling to me lol
Some of you might not be old enough to remember, but n64 was actually the 1st console ever to feature antialiasing (albeit 2 primitive forms of AA). Quit number of games utlilized either one or the other or both simultaneously. The SGI chip powering the n64 was quite feature Roch, only weakness of n64 was lack of ram and cartridge space.
@@AthleticHobo-br4qh damn, and they just dropped it?
@@AthleticHobo-br4qhAnd now people can’t strip out the N64 AA fast enough. The Ultra HDMI mod
Stable frames 30+ no matter wich game would be cool
Imo Nintendo took too long, i had Switch year one and steam Deck two years ago, I'm not going back to consoles after tasting PC gaming. The Switch 2 likely will be weaker than current handheld PCs and will probably be emulated soon after release.
Well. We will know in the next 10 month.
lol ""the Switch is mostly a portable console""
Anyone else rewatching the rtx 2050 video?
Do we have a solid source that the Switch 2 GPU will be equivalent to a RTX 2050?
Ah yes… the plethora of handhelds that aren’t selling at all. ;)
1080p is a higher resolution than the steam deck offers, and it seems like the more expensive handhelds with higher res screens struggle to perform at those full resolutions so I'm wondering how much sense it makes to have a 1080p screen on switch 2 when the system will be underclocked perhaps quite significantly when playing in handheld mode. Honestly I'm surprised how good some games look on Switch's 720p OLED screen but there aren't many games, especially more modern ones, that manage to hit that resolution and maintain a high framerate in order to take full advantage of that screen. Trying to hit Full HD for maximum clarity then seems like it will be a big struggle in handheld mode even with a "new" chip set.
Never underestimate Nintendo or NVIDIA. Things will look completely different when Nintendo, indies, and third party games will now be presented in 4K in docked mode.
@@TonyKanameKuran I think that is an incredibly optimistic take. It's fine to be excited but try to keep your expectations realistic.
@@TromboneGamer Don't worry about it. I'm sure that Nintendo, NVIDIA, and Unreal Engine will come up with something that will surpass the original Switch.
No. Its not really its just a fairly helpful feature and on in Mobile modes, I don't know how helpful it can be without incurring a substantial power penalty...
I can't see Nintendo doing 1440. 😂
We will see. Prepare to eat crow maybe 😊
Doesn’t matter how powerful it is as long as it has great games.
really does matter
This is the last time power will ever matter. When we get around to switch 3 and 4, it will be purely performance and cosmetic improvements. Any game with the right optimizations and level of demaking can run on the rumored series s power it has
True but I do like how it is using dlss over fsr2. They can easily scale up say a 900p image to 4k and look really good
100%
It does matter because we don’t want the games to look and run like crap. Really hurts the enjoyment. It should be at least powerful enough to not hinder it’s great games
Highly recommend checking out that video where someone overclocked each version of the Switch and tested gaming at 4k, including emulating Switch games at 4k on the Switch(it's insane). While the temp and battery life targets will be prohibitive to acheiving such feats natively, the inclusion of DLSS will absolutely make 4k30 very likely supported at the very least IMHO. Considering the tegra processor was capable of 4k30 in 2017, I would think nvidia wants the switch 2 to showcase what a more modern tegra processor can do at a low power draw. We really just won't know until the switch 2 specs are revealed.
I think people are crazy of thinking this is gonna run docked 4k ! Hope I m wrong though !
I guess it depends on the game. Some may run fine docked 4k, but I can't image most would.
@@vogonp4287totally agree with you on some titles like Hades or indies one, I think we re not going to see 4k because of some "facts" :
Nintendo portable consoles are mostly one generation behind graphicaly.
- Game Boy (snes graphics)
- Nintendo DS (nintendo 64 graphics)
- Nintendo 3DS (game cube graphics)
- Switch (wii u graphics)
Dlss and fsr can make some impossible port like doom and witcher 3 for switch, but I doubt we ll have even native 1440p, emphasis on native hehe.
I think plenty of games could. Not aaa games probably but a lot of Nintendo titles are incredibly well optimized. Mario Kart 8 runs at 1080/60 with a lot of headroom on the switch, and that game still looks quite good, I could imagine Nintendo releasing first party games in 4k or dynamic 4k
Achieving 1440p using dlss docked should be fine.
1080p via dlss while handheld is fine too
When docked native 720p DLSSed to 4K is quite possible. Nowhere near native quality but should still be a boost compared to just outputting 900p/1080p or even lesser.
Handheld mode will be the issue though, as dlss is more effective (flaws less noticeable) when the output resolution is 1440p and higher, same applies for fsr or xess.
So uh, turns out it has 8 Gb more ram and 10 Gb/s more bandwidth than your 2050m botch job.
It not having FG is a handicap for the future
Eh only if the game runs natively at 60fps already. If they target 30fps for most games than FG does not work well at all. You see crazy amounts of artifacting due to the low base frame rate.
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what if the switch 2 is going to use that samsung monitor with the eye trackers and holographic effect and call it the switch advanc3d.
you can play vr games on these monitors and nintendo has shown interest in vr in the past and also the 3DS was a thing.
i don't want to see a switch 2 i want to see them doing what they did with the nintendo DS - nintendo 3DS. you can do a lot of cool things with monitors and definitely when they have eye trackers like turn 1 screen into multiple images when viewed from different angles this is already possible without eye trackers just look at sonys old bravia gaming tv's.
i don't think nintendo will do a switch 2 like how xbox or sony would do a switch 2. nintendo has always done something out of the box.
Switch has so much room to improve from DLSS it would be insane not to use it. DLSS ultra performance mode at 4k is terrible by PC standards, but when you think currently the games are just running at 720 natively... even that would be an improvement.
more powerfull than series s and steam deck
Imagine if breath of the wild looked like ghost of tsushima... the year 2047 probably
amd x3d cpu = performance + lower power draw+ low temps
nvidia gpu = a.i upscaling + frame gen
if someone would put these 2 on the same board for a handheld
than i will throw my wallet to anyone selling it
A current ARM CPU is superior to a current AMD CPU at 10w...
Edit: I have to correct myself there, the Z1 extreme is slightly faster at 15w.
lol its not even possible
@@waltuhputurdaway yes it is?
example 1 : laptops exist with amd hardware and nvidia hardware on the same board
example 2 : the switch runs on arm processor and a seperate nvidia gpu chip on the same board
saying its impossible is just really bad ....should do more research before you say things , i already have 2 examples showing its possible
@@Deathscythe91 liar
@@Deathscythe91 the Switch use a SoC so is a single die not two separated chip but you are correct that it's possible to have an AMD CPU paired with an NVIDIA GPU but no company will do it because of higher cost and AMD offering them in bundle at a price that push NVIDIA out of the market. That's how they got the monopoly on home consoles hardware
I think the next switch probably will have DLSS and Nintendo will use it as a means to cheap out on hardware again meaning we'll basically see a Gamecube - Wii situation where its basically the same hardware.
Nintendo seems pretty ignorant of just how meek its hardware is, making newer games concede more and more features just to run on it.
And People will eat it up.
I don't think they're ignorant at all, they have options and make the call. Switch is underpowered but proved successful, whether that should make us cynical about what people "eat up" or not.
They already have their features to set them apart. The chip that was leaked by Nvidia gives them the graphical capability of a PS4 Pro. They wouldn't go with something weaker than that. They are in a much different position than they have ever been. It will be strong enough to run most games devs will want to bring to it. We've seen the ceiling that devs have hit. I think they will happy to make games that can run on it.
Forget the Switch 2, it desperately needs this tech NOW!!!
It’s hardware doesn’t support it
This is all theory correct? Seems like there is no confirmation that switch 2 will use any dlss at all even if it would be amazing.
Just count on Nintendo making another obsolete on arrival device no matter what they use.
Another? What was the first one? Did I miss that one? 🤔
Yeah, that's why the Switch was such a flop 😂😂
Yeah it'll still lag behind console competitors in raw power, but as usual that isn't the only aspect to relevancy.
@@iamnotkurtcobain It's gonna sell billions as usual since Nintendo fans are the gaming equivalent of Apple fans.
@@sapphyrus Good exclusives at an affordable price then? Count me in!
Rejoice my friends, as tomorow will be the day Nintendo finally talks about the Switch 2 and we'll get our first news ever. Enjoy these last 24 hours of knowing absolutely nothing, as this long era of rumors and speculation finally comes to an end.
Fake news bro! Stop spamming DF.
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Cool story kid
Also, no parent buy their kids a 40 inch tv or bigger. usually 20-30 inch, and the games do look better on those smaller ones.
20 inch tv what are you on?? realistically most parents buy their kids atleast in the 32 to maybe 40 range
TBH, most kids are probably playing on an old "hand me down" living room TV (Likely a 30-42 inch 1080p TV). I always tend to give one of my kids the old family TV for their bedroom, whenever I buy a new one. Both of my kids have an old "hand me down" TV in their bedrooms, anyway. Along with my son also inheriting my old gaming PC (RTX 2070 Super) and my daughter inheriting my old laptop (RTX 2070).
@@fafski1199 exactly bruhhh
That weak Nintendo hardware will need every boost it can get.
I can GUARANTEE Nintendo doesn't give a flip about 4k, they prefer performance. Hopefully 2k is attainable though.
Doug Bowser: Hold my beer!
Im sorry but i cant really take DF seriously after their nvidia exclusives (aka sponsorship) and how manipulative nvidia is with media. And how can they say the switch 2 will be much more powerful - the switch 1 chip was 3 year old technology outdone by modern phones at the time it was released? Sorry guys but you took the cheese and i cant trust the opinion nor does it align with nintendos historical strategy. They havent been a tech leader in a long time. Ill stick with my ally.
That's not true at all, the first phones which were able to beat switch in power were released in late 2018, in fact Nintendo used the best mobile soc nvidia had at the moment (tegra X2 was released in 2018), and the ally is good until you check battery life
Fanboys love daydreaming, but they forget that the standard is gonna change. In 2027 we will see ps6 and steam deck 2 coming in the horizon. Switch 2 might look decent in 2025, not for long will it be outdated trash again. Just like switch, it can run some ps4 titles with garbage performance. But after ps5 became the new standard, there's no way for it to catch up. And the handheld performance is beaten the hell up by deck.
The industry isn't like in the 2000's or even 2010's, now consoles gens last around 8 years each one and another 4 years to become the standard, and the home consoles are becoming somewhat unrelevant for the industry, so switch 2 would have untik around 2032 to be confortably getting games from developers without worrying
@@Elchinodawn 2032 is hilarious. Don’t you see even exclusive titles on switch is struggling in recent years? Resolution is 540p and unstable 20ish fps. Ported ps5 games like Hogwarts looks absolutely insufferable. Nowadays even ps5 is struggling with latest titles so that they are making a pro model. If you don’t acknowledge that ps5 and xsx changed the standards of the entire industry, you are being blind
@@strelitzia669 i said switch 2, not the current one, anyways games don't progress much in graphics but they become harder to run, that's developers fault and their urge to use unreal engine 5 without making sure it doesn't go ballistic with its resources comsumption, the fact freakin rdr2 looks better pretty much all games says a lot about 9th gen
So, nvidia will give DLSS to Nintendo, but not their 10 series cards....
Seems logical...😮
There are 3 factors that have driven Nintendo's success for the Switch - and the same recipe will drive the next revision: 1. PRICE 2. Portability 3. First-party (exclusive) titles. That's it. No more, no less. Hardware specs didn't matter and won't matter for 2025 so long as they're better than the Tegra X1 in the Switch.
The new revision won't compete for performance with Sony or MS's base systems, and it's unlikely to compete even with the PS4Pro or XBOX One X. The only thing that matters is replicating the 3 core points mentioned above and showing a significant difference in styling and functionality over the Switch.
Many games could run in 4k
Mario Kart is currently 1080p 60fps
Nintendo could do 4k in many games if they wanted to. At least upscaled to 4k.
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People need to dump their expectations. The Nintendo Switch accessor is not going to run 4K in dock mode 10 ADP will be like with the current switch. I’m absolutely fine that I do not need 4K. I don’t plan on buying 4K TV people seem to forget Nintendo doesn’t follow what the likes of Microsoft and so do they mark to the beat of their own drum and it worked for them and may continue, why should Nintendo panda to a minority of people that obsessed with 4K graphics? I couldn’t care less about 4K? It’s useless especially on consoles like the PS5 and Xbox series X which games are very rare 60 FPS even on systems.
Says the pretendo nobody who has no idea what 4K is about.
DLSS Switch 2 will be so significant that other manufactures will switch to Nvidia for portable devices
Can we stop talking about Switch 2? It ain’t happening anytime soon.
Nintendo has acknowledged the switch 2.
This thing will be at best as powerful as the steam deck , don't expect 1440p. Still doesn't matter. It's all about the games
Expect 4k with a dock, no?
you'd be surprised how good the steam deck's hardware is if the devs have all the documentation they want on the software and manage to perfectly optimize for it
@@TealTheDropster it's decent for ps4 era games but really struggles when it comes to triple a games UE5 coming out these days . However you have a point, Nintendo will make much better use of that power with their optimized titles.
But if I have to play another Zelda game in 2025 at 30fps, I’m going to lose it. BoTW at 60fps in Cemu looks better than native Switch hardware and is noticeably different.
@@Rockovissi Well it does run perfect 60fps on my modified switch 😂
The impending failure of the switch 2 will bury nintemdio I think. I’m getting strong wiiu vibes from this machine!!!
Bullcrap, you troll!
No. DLSS makes everything blurry, so it’ll just be what we have now basically
What if you're wrong?
@@TonyKanameKuran what do you mean? DLSS already exists in pc gaming, it just looks blurry compared to native rendering
@@Mingodough No, you dingus... I'm talking about DLSS in a *_HOME CONSOLE!_* Open your eyes instead of your ass!
Early predictions time!🤓
- @ 10w and under, Switch 2 kills the competition.
- @ 15w on these current handhelds, Switch 2 will be competitive in portable mode. (Possibly with the upper hand in some cases).
- @ 25w on these current handhelds, Switch 2 will be outperformed, in portable mode. (Still, generally 'hanging in there').
- @ 25w on current handhelds, Switch 2 outperforms them, in docked mode.
(loses ground in CPU heavy games).
- @ 40w+ on current handhelds, they are well into "diminishing returns" territory for performance gains. Switch 2 will remain competitive in docked mode. (May lag slightly behind. Notably so, in CPU heavy games).
That said, Switch 2 will have exclusive games, and impossible ports that defy what ought to be possible on these current devices, at any wattage. That's how I see things shaking out.
Save post, and watch me nail it(or fail it😒) next year.🫡