@fenidiv4325 with out the symbiote surge? Doing the hide outs on ultimate? You die in 2 hits on ultimate, that was pretty hard if you ask me, made me do stealth till I broke the coms for back up
@@gherwincarreon6001 yeah l guess calling the stealth hard in this game is also dependant on the person, its pretty easy to cheese the ai in this game. Spamming weblines all over the place seems to be a dominant strategy and the lack of gadgets does make these stealth sections less interesting for me bc you really can’t get creative at all anymore
@youngfargo8099 for story.... Yall complain about everything too short too long too slow to fast, it's a good spiderman story with good mechanics who cares I'm just glad they still make spiderman games...
@@gameplaysfordayz5967 wait.. you liked taking pictures of brooklyn high and helping two dudes prom proposals as spiderman over playing as the black suit ?? 🤯
They really wanted to stick it to the people that didn't like them in the first game. How dare we not want to play as a regular human in a game about a superhero that can punch through walls and travel at 70 miles an hour through New York City.
@@everythingnerd4953 wtf are you talking about they said it word for word that's why they did it 😭😭 Talking bout I don't get i guess neither do the devs 🤷♂️😂😂
@@Bori.1776Yea but in the first game stealth was boring too ngl. Also didn't like how in the fisk hideout stealth missions, you would always be forced to get caught when it was the last two guys forcing you to do four waves of enemies.
@@aurielayala9683 I agree with the getting caught thing. Irked the shit outta me. I think the had a good foundation for stealth but they didn’t improve on it. They got lazy for the sequel in a lot of ways
You forgot about the webline gadget that allows you to create stealth vantage points and the ability to stealth takedown two enemies will never not be satisfying.
It gets boring after 2 tries cause it’s the same animation. All you do for stealth in this game is web line, hit square, boom you’re done. Idc if it’s easy, but maybe have more to do?
@@Mjsports3730 dude the web line double takedown has the animation? Don’t believe me? Clear a base with the web line only and you’ll see. Stealth has like 3 similar animations from the past 2 games. And web line omly has 1 animation for EVERY takedown. Sorry to burst your bubble
How about they add the gadgets back but they keep the wheel as well. So it would be how it is in Spider-Man 2 but if you don’t want to use the gadgets you have you can use the wheel to use the other gadgets using both mechanics
But then that means people constantly switching them out mid-mission through the menu, breaking immersion. Just have them all available in the wheel like the first game.
As someone who never used the gadgets in the first game I see this as an absolute win cause I absolutely loved the combat and stealth anyway in Spider-Man 2
If u think about it, still fits the story. Peter wouldn’t use stealth unless he absolutely needs to with the symbiote. Make u feel like a god. For miles, he’s got cammo he’ll be fine
That's exactly what ticked me off man😂 you have the option to do stealth especially with the new web lines, the gadgets in the first aren't what allowed you to do stealth, if this guy was actually that annoyed and liked stealth he'd just do it, besides there are countless times throughout the story where you get thrown into combat so idk why he can't just leave the stealth bits to do stealth
In Arkham games stealth in those sections was mandatory, since Batman dies very quickly to guns. One or two gunners are doable since he can Batclaw one gun away and probably stun the other guy, but a full room of thugs with guns is a deathtrap without stealth. Spider-Man fights multiple gunners constantly so the stealth doesn't seem as necessary.
Tbh it makes sense why they didn't care about stealth think about if your filled with rage and want to destroy everything u want to brute force it not hide in the shadows talking out enemies one at a time it about sending a message to them.
I think the point of not having so much gadgets in MS2 was not to rely on the gadgets so much which would make it more difficult to survive. If you think about it, we had quite an advantage with the amount of gadgets we had in the previous games. We relied more on our skills, attacks, and abilities instead in MS2. I’m not complaining, and who knows, maybe they’ll add it back in the updaters or DLCs
@@VastickleI agree with you that it takes more skill to use those gadgets in the first game... You might like it but I don't hahaha I got zero skills on utilizing those gadgets and it felt more of a gimmick to me.
Agreed. But I felt, why introduce the zipline if stealth feels empty or pointless? I thought it was counterintuitive to be honest. I too miss stealth as well. Hope it returns in 3
@@mexicanadian0846yeah all they did for stealth was web line. They introduced it to us and got people hyped but never mentioned it’s the ONLY new stealth change lmao. Seems weird
I thought the stealth in this game was still pretty fun. You can upgrade the sonic blast into a lure during stealth, and the web lines allowing for better takedowns later made stealth more streamlined for me. I do think they should have had more gadgets and let you swap them like the abilities.
Na it’s still fun being completely stealthy with the symbiote suit, find a good room and enemies could just keep coming to you made my Spider-Man literally look like a mix of a demon and Batman in the night
I remember using spider bro and the bots while surrounded. I could stand surrounded by enemies and let them do the work. It was pretty OP. The gadgets should have stayed but they should have been swappable so we could use them in a style of our own.
I loved stealth. It made me feel like an actual spider in a weird way as I was making spider webs since I was creating the most applicable patterns in the sky with the web lines for the room at hand. Just my opinion tho 🤷
I didn’t personally see anything wrong with the gadgets in this game, I hated pulling up the wheel every time I wanted to use a gadget so I ended up almost never using gadgets for any of the stealth missions, I just stealthfully took everyone down with the normal webs
yea same. even in this game I tried to not rely on the web lines too much unless I needed to take 2 enemies out at once with that skill or there's no other angle. ive always preferred webbing everybody up to walls and the ceiling like how Spidey probably would actually do it
It's not so much the gadget wheel being gone that's the issue, as what the gadgets in the first game actually were. You had the trip mine, impact web, web bomb, and taser webs that were pretty fun to use in stealth. In Miles' game he had the remote mine. In the new game, the ricochet web is good, but all the other ones just force you into combat.
This makes no sense. Hating the gadget wheel mid combat is fair enough, it’s why the arkham games have quick fire and why they changed things in spiderman 2. But hating it in stealth? Bro what 😂 Half of stealth is you perched observing and looking for opportunities. Switching gadgets takes like 1 second and even slows down time for you so that you don’t miss your opportunity. You are almost always stationary while changing gadgets in stealth
@@A.H.goose1 ok? I don’t remember caring how long it took to pull the wheel out to pick a gadget to use, that wasn’t even the point of my comment but go off I guess
Despite stealth being heavily ignored in the game, any missions that allowed you to start in stealth were the missions i did 100% finish in stealth. There was maybe one Hunter base that i finished off the last 3 or 4 hunters with guns blazing but that was it
The problem with stealth with Spider-Man is that he’s too op, super jump, stick to walls, can swing and web up enemies, so it takes away the skill needed for a good stealth experience imo, also knowing u can just go heavy doesn’t create that suspense and risk which makes stealth thrilling. maybe stealth should only be implemented in hostage situations so if u get caught the person your trying to save dies. maybe there Could be random crimes where I have to infiltrate a gang hideout who have a hostage or a banks with multiple hostages. U have to take out all the goons guarding the hostages without being detected and once the hostages are safe then u can go heavy and finish them off? Essentially there needs to be more challenge and repercussions in stealth and that’s it and then being creative with stealth will be fun.
"so it takes away the skill needed for a good stealth experience imo" I disagree this is only true if the enemies behave like normal enemies. But if the nemies act with the knowledge spiderman exist you can make fun stuff. Like letting enemies scan walls and roofs or letting them react to webbing left over by spiderman.
The gadget change was needed for gameplay flow, stealth was NEVER needed unless it’s required. Stealth was way too easy with the enemies being extra dumb in the first games and having a crap ton of gadgets that made it way to easy and not having strategy, in 2 since the gameplay flow is fast paced most of the time, you get less gadgets and therefore harder stealth. Also setting up weblines for when you enter combat is fun.
This isn’t a good argument. Spider-man 1 stealth was easy but had opportunities for creativity. So instead of improving on that and making it harder, they just…dumbed it down even more?
Web bomb + concussive blast was pretty broken. Sure gadgets made stealth fun but it was not that challenging when you can just use gadgets and not be detected. This one was a lot more challenging when trying to stealth a whole hunter’s base
Honestly this is fine since basically we heavily depended on the gadgets and used them all the time to survive. For this tho it really came in handy more when it came to fighting the symbiotes. With stealth, Peter would be stealthy but the Peter with the symbiote does not care about stealth but would go crazy in combat which suits it better
In stealth I've had some really cool combos with the ricochet web sticking a lot of people to walls it also kinda works like the impact web from the first game.
I still had fun with the stealth in this game but I hope that they do improve it and maybe even let the game be longer, I don’t have any issue with the game but I would love to see the sequels and spin-offs being longer from this point
@@arturollapa7277 That’s just a flaw of the games bro, and his entire point in this video 😭 They give you a “stealth option” so they can say “HEY LOOK GUYS WE HAVE STEALTH” but it may as well not exist because there’s no consequence to failure. This can be done easily without nerfing spider-man by using things like hostages
To be fair, gadgets in the first game didn't really make stealth good. Every gadget was either a one-shot ability, or a distraction ability. Trip Mine was the best example of a good stealth gadget, whereas Impact Web was just a non-lethal gun. In Spider-Man 2, they encouraged for more deliberate stealth with the zipline, and they allowed for more explosive potential with the new gadgets being able to relocate and distract enemies. If anything, I wouldn't say Spider-Man 2 RUINED stealth; instead, Spider-Man was never good at stealth, but Spider-Man 2 didn't really do enough to make it any better. I think it would be cool to have "Stealth Gadget Toolkit" which would switch in when Spidey is undetected. Then you could have cool gadgets like Trip Mine and other traps while not sacrificing the speed of combat. Plus, most of the fun in Spider-Man Ps4's stealth came from Suit Powers. That shit was funny
add a couple extra gadgets for stealth, remove the game literally telling you it’s safe to take someone out and add line-of-sight cones like the TASM 2 game. i think just these few changes would add a layer of difficulty and creativity we haven’t seen in any of the three games. i don’t mind the web lines as i’d prefer to be able to do them because Spider-Man definitely should be able to, but i try to limit the use because they’re very powerful. the only other request i have is to add a mechanic similar to Arkham Knight where if an enemy sees one of his fellows webbed to a wall or vantage point, they’ll cut them down. i don’t want to see it just copy and paste Arkham, but they don’t even try to help each other when they find one of their own webbed up.
People can enjoy games how they like. If they like to have mire variety, more options than thats not a problem. If you dont like the gadgets, dont use them. No need to be an ass about it because someone likes to have more gadgets. Who cares if it's "on baby mode"? Games are meant to be fun. If you need a challenge for that to happen, but that's fine. Point is, as long as people are having fun with a game, who cares? Besides, the point he's making isnt that it's too hard, just that he found it boring. So, in that case, your remark makes no sense
That's the point. The symbiote makes the host more aggressive which makes it more straightforward when wanting to complete a fight. With the symbiote, it avoids stealth and forces brute strength
Idk about you guys but pressing the "Special" as Peter and just Brute punching everyone with maximum bass and sound in my headset was one of the most satisfying thing to do in a videogame
Yes it would be cool if they still had that gadget wheel I wish the symbiote had some cool things you could do on stealth like pick some up and throw them and whoever you threw at them got knocked with the guy you threw.
Stealth is still creative with wall and ceiling takedowns, and making a whole web of web lines is interesting. Also the gadgets were op, they shifted the creativity and power into other aspects of the moveset.
I miss some of the gadgets but it makes stealth a little harder and i like that. Makes sense with symbiote spidey too because hes much more aggressive.
People in the comments talking about a feature in the game being removed is because peters symbiote doesn’t care about gadgets, no the creators didn’t care. That was one of my favourite things in the first game!
The zip line was all the stealth you needed tbh 😂 I took down a lot of flame hideouts and other missions just by putting hella zip lines in all angles and webbing enemies up lmao dude in the video spacin, the web zip line made you be creative in stealth
@@TheSmar09 most people who play really aren’t that good in the game because I did that exact same thing. 😂😭 I had to force myself to stop using the zip line as much because I was cleaning whole hideouts.
Since they did state an update with changes will happen I hope that they add gadgets at least for after you get rid of the symbiote and before symbiote but miles gets it anyway.
The gadgets were so goddamn annoying in the first game having to constantly bring yourself out of the action to switch to a different gadget just to switch back to your web shooters just to switch back to a different gadget SM2 nailed it so much more with just the buttons you press to essentially use a refined gadget system with the powers of they had something similar to where you could assign 4 gadgets to the face buttons it would’ve been a lot better but I think 99% of people will say pressing a face button in the middle of the action is so much better than having to pause the game every 2 seconds to switch gadgets
Funny enough, now that you mentioned it, I hardly used Mile's invisibility either. I used it a lot in Miles Morales and there were even missions that required it to progress, but in spiderman 2 you can get through the whole game without even using it once.
I rarely ever used the gadgets in the first game during stealth. It always went: perch web, perch web, do that a few more times, then web strike the last guy. Same with Spider-Man 2 and Miles Morales. Never changed it because I never felt the need to do it any other way than the easy way.
Although I heavily disagree about the gadgets, I do admit it was a huge missed opportunity to not incorporate the Symbiote into stealth. We know that it can shapeshift and mimic other clothing, so they could've had it work like Prototype where you disguise yourself as a hunter to walk around hunter bases undetected, like in the party mission where he disguises himself as a waiter. Have it be mapped to the same button as Miles' invisibility. That way both of them have unique stealth powers.
definitely felt the same way. although i do like that BECAUSE gadgets are limited, they reduced stealth missions. i only felt like there was only a handful in 2, vs having countless in the first game
I’m not usually one to use gadgets or anything like that because I prefer to zip around really fast and do takedowns from walls or vantage points or slack lines/wires. So being able to make my own wires and quickly unlocking the upgrade that lets you grab two guys at once and I was cruising through stealth sections with no problems whatsoever in no time flat this time around.
Everyone is saying symbiote Peter wouldn’t care about stealth which i agree, but i think they had a chance to make things actually scary and put fear in enemies similar to how he made MJ feel. We could’ve gotten a more intimidating stealth Peter, who made enemies get terrified like how Batman did in the Arkham games, Batman literally made enemies heart rates increase and that was a cool thing to see
Getting rid of the weapon wheel was a great idea. It means combat is fluid because it's not being interrupted the whole time by having to bring up the wheel. I think the first game had too many gadgets as well. Spiderman isn't really about having a million different gadgets at the ready, it's better streamlined.
@@kaylahulett4326 you accualy can, If you go to settings you can map your d pad as a shortcut to slow down time and you can pick how slow you want it to be It's the exact same effect without the actual wheel
I've never really seen Spider-Man use stelf in other media outside of the first insomniac game. I always felt like like even without a symbiote, his powers didn't require him to be stealthy.
I do stealth depending on my mood. Sometimes I like sneaking around, but a some times I want to just go in and mess them up. Might be a hot take but I like how you can choose
I feel like having less gadgets made stealth more difficult, which made you have to think twice as hard about how to complete a stealth mission without getting caught.
100% agree. Stealth in games is already often too difficult or too easy and almost always far too tedious as is. Making it more boring gives a player no reason to do it.
The first game had shit stealth too, the only upgrade they gave this new stealth is web lines which js genuinely so good. The only good stealth are the Mj missions in sm2
Sounds like they made symbiote Peter not care about stealth, which is 100% accurate
yeah, how about normal one tho
@fenidiv4325 with out the symbiote surge? Doing the hide outs on ultimate? You die in 2 hits on ultimate, that was pretty hard if you ask me, made me do stealth till I broke the coms for back up
doesn’t mean they should make it less fun
@MrAnjo234 fun is dependent on the person, I personally found the challenge fun
@@gherwincarreon6001 yeah l guess calling the stealth hard in this game is also dependant on the person, its pretty easy to cheese the ai in this game. Spamming weblines all over the place seems to be a dominant strategy and the lack of gadgets does make these stealth sections less interesting for me bc you really can’t get creative at all anymore
Venom and the symbiotes can literally see miles when he’s invisible. That’s f**king op.
And sandman
@@Nicholassmith2023 sandman doesn't see miles, he just feels him since technically miles is stepping in his sands
Sandman can too
@@aza5871that’s the same with the symbiote, including peter
@@Mrsir529 Again. That’s OP.
Purpose of no stealth was to show the brute strength carelessness of the simbiote and i think its accurate
But they also have miles, whose is smart and careful. If anything, they just ran themselves into a wall trying to simplify the game.
ok so what was the purpose for playing as mj and riding a bike for two missions
yeah but it makes replay ability less fun
@youngfargo8099 for story.... Yall complain about everything too short too long too slow to fast, it's a good spiderman story with good mechanics who cares I'm just glad they still make spiderman games...
@@gameplaysfordayz5967 wait.. you liked taking pictures of brooklyn high and helping two dudes prom proposals as spiderman over playing as the black suit ?? 🤯
They really said “Stealth? Pft, nah. U know what the players really want? MJ missions again”
They really wanted to stick it to the people that didn't like them in the first game. How dare we not want to play as a regular human in a game about a superhero that can punch through walls and travel at 70 miles an hour through New York City.
@@streetside2833you don’t get it
@@everythingnerd4953 wtf are you talking about they said it word for word that's why they did it 😭😭 Talking bout I don't get i guess neither do the devs 🤷♂️😂😂
Ohhhhh shiiii, you right mb, but it sounded like you were criticizing the mj stealth
I remember a time when companies used feedback to make a better product for the consumer, ahhh good times.
Now it makes sense story wise, this Peter would say fuck stealth, but what if the made symbiot tool & gadgets, like a symbiot bear trap😂
that would be so sick like a symbiote trip line
@spoon2409 uh oh, symbiot mimics. Just place them in the map then a painting just eats a guard
That would have been so cool
Maybe in the next game. We all know he has Anti-Venom permanently now.
Was happening before the symbiote
Personally I think that beating up a ton of bad guys is way more fun than sneaking around on the ceiling.
Yeah but it kills immersion. Spider-Man by default is a stealth character. His abilities complement it too well.
@@Bori.1776Yea but in the first game stealth was boring too ngl. Also didn't like how in the fisk hideout stealth missions, you would always be forced to get caught when it was the last two guys forcing you to do four waves of enemies.
@@Bori.1776not for a symbiote ffs
@@aurielayala9683 I agree with the getting caught thing. Irked the shit outta me. I think the had a good foundation for stealth but they didn’t improve on it. They got lazy for the sequel in a lot of ways
@@CaptainThugRdx You’re just wrong 😂
You forgot about the webline gadget that allows you to create stealth vantage points and the ability to stealth takedown two enemies will never not be satisfying.
It gets boring after 2 tries cause it’s the same animation. All you do for stealth in this game is web line, hit square, boom you’re done. Idc if it’s easy, but maybe have more to do?
yeah you got double takedowns and the webline but compare that to the first game and it’s so bad
@@The-Legend-of-P It isn’t the same animation every time but ok
@@Mjsports3730 dude the web line double takedown has the animation? Don’t believe me? Clear a base with the web line only and you’ll see. Stealth has like 3 similar animations from the past 2 games. And web line omly has 1 animation for EVERY takedown. Sorry to burst your bubble
@@The-Legend-of-P They’re still not the same animation every time tho
I hope they keep the way gadgets work in Spider-Man 2 but allow you to switch them out like you can with Abilities for more variety..
yes! that's the perfect middle ground
Oh that would've been a great idea!
How about they add the gadgets back but they keep the wheel as well. So it would be how it is in Spider-Man 2 but if you don’t want to use the gadgets you have you can use the wheel to use the other gadgets using both mechanics
Yup this would be good
But then that means people constantly switching them out mid-mission through the menu, breaking immersion. Just have them all available in the wheel like the first game.
As someone who never used the gadgets in the first game I see this as an absolute win cause I absolutely loved the combat and stealth anyway in Spider-Man 2
Getting rid of the gadget wheel was a huge upgrade, but I do miss some of the old gadgets.
How the gadget shell was tuff
@@johnpauldriskill8737 The gadgets were cool, but using it during combat felt clunky and broke the flow
If u think about it, still fits the story. Peter wouldn’t use stealth unless he absolutely needs to with the symbiote. Make u feel like a god. For miles, he’s got cammo he’ll be fine
You say as the symbiote's see miles any way
@@Chainman-broit’s not like the symbiotes are the only enemies… there’s also basic thugs, and hunters. Who can’t see you when you go invisible
“Because it’s easier and way more fun”
People just wanna complain for the sake of it. Just replay spiderman 1 or develop the game yourself😂
@@Aminur48 exactly
That's exactly what ticked me off man😂 you have the option to do stealth especially with the new web lines, the gadgets in the first aren't what allowed you to do stealth, if this guy was actually that annoyed and liked stealth he'd just do it, besides there are countless times throughout the story where you get thrown into combat so idk why he can't just leave the stealth bits to do stealth
@@cheezygui5803 They downgraded the stealth heavily bro just admit it. They themselves admitted it, don’t be a shill 😂
@@Aminur48 No criticism allowed, yes sir
I understand them not wanting to do stealth for Pete in this game but miles can literally turn invisible
Yeah its miles powers
In Arkham games stealth in those sections was mandatory, since Batman dies very quickly to guns. One or two gunners are doable since he can Batclaw one gun away and probably stun the other guy, but a full room of thugs with guns is a deathtrap without stealth.
Spider-Man fights multiple gunners constantly so the stealth doesn't seem as necessary.
Yeah like spider-man can dodge bullets easily while batman needs to maneuver around them, a daredevil game would be more equivalent to batman
See you lost me but then you got me back so I agree
Tbh it makes sense why they didn't care about stealth think about if your filled with rage and want to destroy everything u want to brute force it not hide in the shadows talking out enemies one at a time it about sending a message to them.
well how about spider man without symbiote also miles morales???
I think the point of not having so much gadgets in MS2 was not to rely on the gadgets so much which would make it more difficult to survive. If you think about it, we had quite an advantage with the amount of gadgets we had in the previous games. We relied more on our skills, attacks, and abilities instead in MS2. I’m not complaining, and who knows, maybe they’ll add it back in the updaters or DLCs
I don’t know but to me it felt like more skill was needed with gadgets as in this game the gadgets are just things to spam or never use
@@Vastickletrip web required no skill
@@Drakobsidian yea but it sure was funner and cooler than spamming all my web abilities is Spider-Man 2
@@VastickleI agree with you that it takes more skill to use those gadgets in the first game... You might like it but I don't hahaha I got zero skills on utilizing those gadgets and it felt more of a gimmick to me.
@@notme6753true those gadgets were an acquired taste
the zipline was a huge improvement, but yeah, your 100% right
Agreed! Honestly, that's how I made it fun for me.
Agreed. But I felt, why introduce the zipline if stealth feels empty or pointless? I thought it was counterintuitive to be honest. I too miss stealth as well. Hope it returns in 3
@@mexicanadian0846yeah all they did for stealth was web line. They introduced it to us and got people hyped but never mentioned it’s the ONLY new stealth change lmao. Seems weird
@The-Legend-of-P very weird. I loved stealth in the first and MM made me think ahead. 2 felt brutish and I am not a100% fan of it
@@mexicanadian0846 nah I’m not a fan either. It felt no brain type stuff. Very simplistic and no strategy
I thought the stealth in this game was still pretty fun. You can upgrade the sonic blast into a lure during stealth, and the web lines allowing for better takedowns later made stealth more streamlined for me. I do think they should have had more gadgets and let you swap them like the abilities.
Bro is complaining just to complain
Bro shilling just to shill.
Y stealth Is fun
It’s a valid complaint though the game is not perfect
@@dragonleeman1283stealth was too easy with the countless gadgets, it’s actually decently challenging now
@@sherm2572 it was fun tho their is no
Stealth in this game
Na it’s still fun being completely stealthy with the symbiote suit, find a good room and enemies could just keep coming to you made my Spider-Man literally look like a mix of a demon and Batman in the night
I remember using spider bro and the bots while surrounded. I could stand surrounded by enemies and let them do the work. It was pretty OP. The gadgets should have stayed but they should have been swappable so we could use them in a style of our own.
I loved stealth. It made me feel like an actual spider in a weird way as I was making spider webs since I was creating the most applicable patterns in the sky with the web lines for the room at hand. Just my opinion tho 🤷
I didn’t personally see anything wrong with the gadgets in this game, I hated pulling up the wheel every time I wanted to use a gadget so I ended up almost never using gadgets for any of the stealth missions, I just stealthfully took everyone down with the normal webs
yea same. even in this game I tried to not rely on the web lines too much unless I needed to take 2 enemies out at once with that skill or there's no other angle. ive always preferred webbing everybody up to walls and the ceiling like how Spidey probably would actually do it
It's not so much the gadget wheel being gone that's the issue, as what the gadgets in the first game actually were. You had the trip mine, impact web, web bomb, and taser webs that were pretty fun to use in stealth. In Miles' game he had the remote mine. In the new game, the ricochet web is good, but all the other ones just force you into combat.
@generalkenobi9307 web grabber anyone??
This makes no sense. Hating the gadget wheel mid combat is fair enough, it’s why the arkham games have quick fire and why they changed things in spiderman 2. But hating it in stealth? Bro what 😂 Half of stealth is you perched observing and looking for opportunities. Switching gadgets takes like 1 second and even slows down time for you so that you don’t miss your opportunity. You are almost always stationary while changing gadgets in stealth
@@A.H.goose1 ok? I don’t remember caring how long it took to pull the wheel out to pick a gadget to use, that wasn’t even the point of my comment but go off I guess
Despite stealth being heavily ignored in the game, any missions that allowed you to start in stealth were the missions i did 100% finish in stealth. There was maybe one Hunter base that i finished off the last 3 or 4 hunters with guns blazing but that was it
The problem with stealth with Spider-Man is that he’s too op, super jump, stick to walls, can swing and web up enemies, so it takes away the skill needed for a good stealth experience imo, also knowing u can just go heavy doesn’t create that suspense and risk which makes stealth thrilling. maybe stealth should only be implemented in hostage situations so if u get caught the person your trying to save dies.
maybe there Could be random crimes where I have to infiltrate a gang hideout who have a hostage or a banks with multiple hostages. U have to take out all the goons guarding the hostages without being detected and once the hostages are safe then u can go heavy and finish them off?
Essentially there needs to be more challenge and repercussions in stealth and that’s it and then being creative with stealth will be fun.
That's a great idea.
There was taskmaster missions with hostages on first game.. but now 🤡
"so it takes away the skill needed for a good stealth experience imo"
I disagree this is only true if the enemies behave like normal enemies.
But if the nemies act with the knowledge spiderman exist you can make fun stuff.
Like letting enemies scan walls and roofs or letting them react to webbing left over by spiderman.
The gadget change was needed for gameplay flow, stealth was NEVER needed unless it’s required. Stealth was way too easy with the enemies being extra dumb in the first games and having a crap ton of gadgets that made it way to easy and not having strategy, in 2 since the gameplay flow is fast paced most of the time, you get less gadgets and therefore harder stealth. Also setting up weblines for when you enter combat is fun.
This isn’t a good argument. Spider-man 1 stealth was easy but had opportunities for creativity. So instead of improving on that and making it harder, they just…dumbed it down even more?
Web bomb + concussive blast was pretty broken. Sure gadgets made stealth fun but it was not that challenging when you can just use gadgets and not be detected. This one was a lot more challenging when trying to stealth a whole hunter’s base
But you could still use all the gadgets
@@The-Legend-of-P the gadgets in this game were really anti stealth, aside from the zipline
@@Spyke7ful yeah it’s annoying! I Don’t like how stealth was just 1 button press and just wasn’t fun
@@Spyke7fulconcussion blast is a distraction when upgraded
@@The-Legend-of-P in this game, it was okay to me but in SM1, yeah it was lowkey annoying to be able to stop a crime with two, sometimes one gadget
Honestly this is fine since basically we heavily depended on the gadgets and used them all the time to survive. For this tho it really came in handy more when it came to fighting the symbiotes. With stealth, Peter would be stealthy but the Peter with the symbiote does not care about stealth but would go crazy in combat which suits it better
“I skipped stealth and went in punching because it’s easier and way more fun.” Sooooo objective achieved?
Task failed successfully. I'd say😅
You are a good boy. Good consumer. Keep it up
@@A.H.goose1 bro you ok? Did suicide squad get to you?
The stealth in the first game was also boring
Fax
I think this man is mainly complaining about the old gadgets being removed since you could be creative with them in stealth and combat
@@taxability6244I stopped using the gadgets as soon as I wasn’t required to
For real, I can't get ppl who say stealth was ruined. It was ass from the beggining lol.
I didn't miss it. It actually helps the pacing.
In stealth I've had some really cool combos with the ricochet web sticking a lot of people to walls it also kinda works like the impact web from the first game.
Honestly i wish they allowed you to have infinite webbing whenever you used the symbiote
Would that make since tho? Not entirely but a decent idea
Would be too OP. I know it recharges fast and seems like it wouldn’t make a difference but that short time where it refills makes all the difference
I mean I don't care about stealth. The zipline was an amazing improvement and I can look past the gadgets as they gave us new moves and web wings.
But the zip line omly had the same animation every time. It wasn’t different. It’s using a line, hitting square and you’re done
@@The-Legend-of-P that fine still was fun placing ziplines all over the place
@@ace12schweitzer true
That’s the bare minimum my guy
I still had fun with the stealth in this game but I hope that they do improve it and maybe even let the game be longer, I don’t have any issue with the game but I would love to see the sequels and spin-offs being longer from this point
Sometimes I miss the gadget wheel but I primarily love the brute aspect of this game more and love the second game way more than the first one.
Admits going in loud with symbiote is fun and still complained lmao
Cause its meant to be a stealth mission
@@Real_DvD if it was meant to be a stealth mission, then you’d fail when caught
Like the Mj missions
@@arturollapa7277 That’s just a flaw of the games bro, and his entire point in this video 😭 They give you a “stealth option” so they can say “HEY LOOK GUYS WE HAVE STEALTH” but it may as well not exist because there’s no consequence to failure. This can be done easily without nerfing spider-man by using things like hostages
To be fair, gadgets in the first game didn't really make stealth good.
Every gadget was either a one-shot ability, or a distraction ability. Trip Mine was the best example of a good stealth gadget, whereas Impact Web was just a non-lethal gun.
In Spider-Man 2, they encouraged for more deliberate stealth with the zipline, and they allowed for more explosive potential with the new gadgets being able to relocate and distract enemies.
If anything, I wouldn't say Spider-Man 2 RUINED stealth; instead, Spider-Man was never good at stealth, but Spider-Man 2 didn't really do enough to make it any better.
I think it would be cool to have "Stealth Gadget Toolkit" which would switch in when Spidey is undetected. Then you could have cool gadgets like Trip Mine and other traps while not sacrificing the speed of combat.
Plus, most of the fun in Spider-Man Ps4's stealth came from Suit Powers. That shit was funny
Web line made the stealth fun for me tbh
add a couple extra gadgets for stealth, remove the game literally telling you it’s safe to take someone out and add line-of-sight cones like the TASM 2 game. i think just these few changes would add a layer of difficulty and creativity we haven’t seen in any of the three games. i don’t mind the web lines as i’d prefer to be able to do them because Spider-Man definitely should be able to, but i try to limit the use because they’re very powerful. the only other request i have is to add a mechanic similar to Arkham Knight where if an enemy sees one of his fellows webbed to a wall or vantage point, they’ll cut them down. i don’t want to see it just copy and paste Arkham, but they don’t even try to help each other when they find one of their own webbed up.
"I didn't have fun cause it wasn't on baby mode" is what you're trying to say
People can enjoy games how they like. If they like to have mire variety, more options than thats not a problem.
If you dont like the gadgets, dont use them. No need to be an ass about it because someone likes to have more gadgets.
Who cares if it's "on baby mode"? Games are meant to be fun. If you need a challenge for that to happen, but that's fine.
Point is, as long as people are having fun with a game, who cares?
Besides, the point he's making isnt that it's too hard, just that he found it boring. So, in that case, your remark makes no sense
You glazing hard
@@corvenalemna8631you shouldn't criticize something you didn't experience. Simply put, this guy must've played in low difficulty
@@zage932 you mean me, the commentor, or the youtuber?
@@corvenalemna8631 the youtuber
That's the point. The symbiote makes the host more aggressive which makes it more straightforward when wanting to complete a fight. With the symbiote, it avoids stealth and forces brute strength
Idk about you guys but pressing the "Special" as Peter and just Brute punching everyone with maximum bass and sound in my headset was one of the most satisfying thing to do in a videogame
One could argue that is the symbiote affecting YOU, THE PLAYER.
There is one simple answer: literally nobody liked stealth😑😑
Okay here’s a great idea then
In the sequel improve stealth rather than making it worse??
@@cyphoah8748 they rather focus on improving the MJ missions than the stealth.
@@ronaldluna6709 mj missions are stealth!
You just love to complain about a good game
Insomniac shill has been detected
its a valid criticism.
Jesus loves you all
idk... running thru kraven the HUNTER's crew as if u were hunting them coulda a been a dope angle to the game
*typos
Comparing a great game to its lacking sequel is a valid complaint.
Yes it would be cool if they still had that gadget wheel I wish the symbiote had some cool things you could do on stealth like pick some up and throw them and whoever you threw at them got knocked with the guy you threw.
I had fun doing the stealth missions. Listening to them TRY and find me is just…👌
bro said we have to compare them to the arkham games when they are COMPLETELY different.
Stealth is still creative with wall and ceiling takedowns, and making a whole web of web lines is interesting. Also the gadgets were op, they shifted the creativity and power into other aspects of the moveset.
I miss some of the gadgets but it makes stealth a little harder and i like that. Makes sense with symbiote spidey too because hes much more aggressive.
A stealth based boss fight against chameleon would go hard in the third game
I was able to stealth most levels fine. It was actually rare that I had to brute force it
People in the comments talking about a feature in the game being removed is because peters symbiote doesn’t care about gadgets, no the creators didn’t care. That was one of my favourite things in the first game!
The web zip line made it so I didn’t have to use gadgets. I still rarely used gadgets in the first game. 😂
The zip line was all the stealth you needed tbh 😂 I took down a lot of flame hideouts and other missions just by putting hella zip lines in all angles and webbing enemies up lmao dude in the video spacin, the web zip line made you be creative in stealth
@@TheSmar09 most people who play really aren’t that good in the game because I did that exact same thing. 😂😭 I had to force myself to stop using the zip line as much because I was cleaning whole hideouts.
Since they did state an update with changes will happen I hope that they add gadgets at least for after you get rid of the symbiote and before symbiote but miles gets it anyway.
Am i the only one that actully really liked the stealth in this game like the zip line then just pulling them up was so funny to me
Stealth is what makes games like this so fun imo my goal was to always stealth the mission the entire way if possible reminded me of playing Arkham
They should have made stealth way stronger and scarier with the black suit. They need corner takedowns and more variety
I totally forgot there was gadgets, but now I knew something was missing, I enjoyed using the gadgets in the first one
I like the web lines and the double takedowns in this game for stealth though.
Getting rid of the gadget wheel was like the best part 💀it was too cluttered and you know damn well you didn’t even use most the gadgets
Finally!! Somebody said something about the gadget system i miss impact webbing😢
The gadgets were so goddamn annoying in the first game having to constantly bring yourself out of the action to switch to a different gadget just to switch back to your web shooters just to switch back to a different gadget SM2 nailed it so much more with just the buttons you press to essentially use a refined gadget system with the powers of they had something similar to where you could assign 4 gadgets to the face buttons it would’ve been a lot better but I think 99% of people will say pressing a face button in the middle of the action is so much better than having to pause the game every 2 seconds to switch gadgets
I used stealth a lot and never got caught. The webline stealth takedowns were really good
I actually like the stealth and how Myles is better equipped for it than Peter. Adds variety and lets us think about who does which missions.
Tbh i found making a spider web above enemies and using it to hang them from was pretty entertaining
Funny enough, now that you mentioned it, I hardly used Mile's invisibility either. I used it a lot in Miles Morales and there were even missions that required it to progress, but in spiderman 2 you can get through the whole game without even using it once.
The gadgets made the first game way to easy with the shockwave, impact and web bombs. I still wish the tripwire one was in the game it was so fun
It didn’t bother me in the first game I always flew in punching🤣🤣🤣🤣same in this one
Stealth was my favourite part of spiderman ps4 but it makes sense how peter doesn't need stealth with the symbiote
I’m just happy they ended stealth with Mary Jane. Peter really should’ve said “I’m the hero, not you!” In the first game.
I rarely ever used the gadgets in the first game during stealth. It always went: perch web, perch web, do that a few more times, then web strike the last guy. Same with Spider-Man 2 and Miles Morales. Never changed it because I never felt the need to do it any other way than the easy way.
Although I heavily disagree about the gadgets, I do admit it was a huge missed opportunity to not incorporate the Symbiote into stealth. We know that it can shapeshift and mimic other clothing, so they could've had it work like Prototype where you disguise yourself as a hunter to walk around hunter bases undetected, like in the party mission where he disguises himself as a waiter. Have it be mapped to the same button as Miles' invisibility. That way both of them have unique stealth powers.
I like that stealth is optional I do not like mandatory stealth
definitely felt the same way. although i do like that BECAUSE gadgets are limited, they reduced stealth missions. i only felt like there was only a handful in 2, vs having countless in the first game
I’m not usually one to use gadgets or anything like that because I prefer to zip around really fast and do takedowns from walls or vantage points or slack lines/wires. So being able to make my own wires and quickly unlocking the upgrade that lets you grab two guys at once and I was cruising through stealth sections with no problems whatsoever in no time flat this time around.
Haven't played Spiderman 2, but loved stealth in the first game.
Everyone is saying symbiote Peter wouldn’t care about stealth which i agree, but i think they had a chance to make things actually scary and put fear in enemies similar to how he made MJ feel. We could’ve gotten a more intimidating stealth Peter, who made enemies get terrified like how Batman did in the Arkham games, Batman literally made enemies heart rates increase and that was a cool thing to see
I like not having the weapon wheel since every other game has that. It keeps the combat fast paced instead of constant stop and go
Just tell us you suck at stealth without telling us you suck at stealth
The web line was cool and the return of wall and ceiling takedowns were cool but it didn't make up for all of the lost gadgets.
Getting rid of the weapon wheel was a great idea. It means combat is fluid because it's not being interrupted the whole time by having to bring up the wheel. I think the first game had too many gadgets as well. Spiderman isn't really about having a million different gadgets at the ready, it's better streamlined.
"You can use all your gadgets to set all kinds of traps takedowns"
Me:I never did that..
One of the best things about the gadget wheel in the first you could fight in slo mo
You can still do that in spiderman 2
Not really
@@kaylahulett4326 you accualy can, If you go to settings you can map your d pad as a shortcut to slow down time and you can pick how slow you want it to be It's the exact same effect without the actual wheel
I've never really seen Spider-Man use stelf in other media outside of the first insomniac game. I always felt like like even without a symbiote, his powers didn't require him to be stealthy.
I agree with all this and they also gave the prowler stealth attack which I only got near the end of the game which was really frustrating.
I do stealth depending on my mood. Sometimes I like sneaking around, but a some times I want to just go in and mess them up. Might be a hot take but I like how you can choose
i only used stealth at base stats in like early missions. but as soon as u get the symbiote u can just use the surge and violate brute enemies.
I do miss web bomb and being able to plant web mines … but overall the symbiote was the focus of this game.
Man I loved doing stealth in miles morales just because I can complete the base without rushing in guns blazing after the first round
I feel like having less gadgets made stealth more difficult, which made you have to think twice as hard about how to complete a stealth mission without getting caught.
He right this makes sense
100% agree. Stealth in games is already often too difficult or too easy and almost always far too tedious as is. Making it more boring gives a player no reason to do it.
I didnt even realize they got rid of all those gadgets till I saw this video
Nah the webline makes it so good it’s a bit of a different way but I like it
I mean good for you i guess, i still have a lot of fun tryna completely stealth bases
The first game had shit stealth too, the only upgrade they gave this new stealth is web lines which js genuinely so good. The only good stealth are the Mj missions in sm2
Stealth is so easy do in all the Spider-Man games with or without gadgets it’s still fun too having that rush if your gonna get caught or not
Which is why I go in loud and proud