Things Just Got Interesting For Retro Gaming...
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- After a recent announcement this week, things could change heavily for retro gaming going forward.
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I've always been of the opinion, at least for the major console manufacturers like Nintendo and Sony, that they should have a made-to-order section on their website where you could pay for them to print out and send a copy of one of their retro games, be it from the NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, etc. I get why games eventually go out of print and why they don't mass produce older titles, but I feel like having a made-to-order model for their legacy library couldn't be anything other than lucrative for them.
If they do this, that would indeed be lucrative... until you realize people would only use this to buy old retro games, then rip them for emulation purposes. Of course, they could keep it off the more modern consoles (Post-N64 would probably be the cutoff point to prevent piracy, but honestly, at this point, they’re going to make bad press if they don’t allow the later gens (if they let you buy these at all)
@@dogemonuniverse People emulate these games already and I don't think producing more copies for people who want them would make piracy run any more rampant. I can agree though that since Nintendo specifically cares more about emulation than they already should, that they would probably see that risk from this angle and could very well be a deterrent. Still though, realistically I think they'd only benefit from this idea if they actually did it.
@@dogemonuniversemodern consoles games have already been ripped.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to prevent.
The only "downside" I see for this would be... Either the prices of all collections would do a big nosedive (which collectors would hate)... or the other way around, with "the original version" becoming even more expensive, because its "the only real retro one" for collectors.
Either way, it would be a great way to get some games. Sadly it will never cover that many games as those companies cant reprint games from now-defunct companies and expired licenses.
Oh, and that service would probably be only available in some countries. Just like Square Enix. They sold (maybe even still sell?) some older PS1 games in the US. But Europe cant buy a single one of them.
It would be pretty expensive to do it this way, and you'd still run into rights issues for a lot of games that were co-developed or have licensed assets like music or IP. In Nintendo's case, Given that the Switch has sold near enough the same as the NES, SNES, and N64 combined, digital distribution via that machine is way cheaper and reaches a lot more people. Those machines also all have flash cart solutions, so those who want to play on real hardware have ways whether carts and discs are re-issued or not.
I have a dream. A wicked dream. I dream with a new generation of consoles that uses cartridges again. And with all the bug fixes and updates being saved IN THE CARTRIDGE, not in the console's memory.
Exactly. Something like the Evercade VS console.
Don't need power, only fun.
That could work, but will we see that?
@@shadowednight1600 Of course not 😂. Too much power to the people.
I would be happy with a FULL and COMPLETE game in my hand as well.
Sign me up for this wicked dream! 😅
Cartridges are both a weakness and a strength but they're never going away
Disc based media rots, so they are all with flaws. If the big 3 were smart they would all move to solid state media with space for updates, if they did that the price they want for AAA games now would be warranted.
@Jokerwolf666 Not sure it would count as 'smart', especially with PS5 (and I am assuming XSeX/S) being multimedia consoles. And on a marketing and production standpoint I am not sure solid state media would fare well. Might even get another Tengen situation.
@@RippahRooJizah not of its proprietary. The prices of AAA games now are not justified, in Canada it's $102 after taxes if they're asking us to pay that much we should get some fucking physical media
The problem with LRG is that even buying the regular edition of a game, just the game, takes way too long to make and ship. Like you will see retail versions of a game that you pre ordered in stores before YOUR pre order gets shipped
Yeah that's the problem I have with them is that they're extremely slow and then if you email them about it they act as if they're swamped
Lrgs is just a shady company in general…
Never buy from them. Buy from Best Buy if you want em
I'm hoping everything doesn't go the way of relying on companies like LRG for any and all physical distribution. I'm already worried since for example beyond good and evil 20th anniversary is ONLY on LRGs website but... that's a ubisoft title? Is this really what's gonna happen now I have to go through this bad second party company to buy games cause retail dies? I don't want that dude I'm gonna be super pissed if that's what happens and no competition arises
Takes about 6 months and I'll order from somewhere else, if given the opportunity, but that us often not the case.
Typically you CAN'T just go pick it up in a store instead
Upgraded Super FX sounds quite interesting to me
@@TheTyisawesome Yeah they're calling it "The Super FX 3" 👀
Capcom already did something like this with LRG. They released new Genesis carts of Mega Man Wily Wars that fixed the original's slowdown.
That was a project with Retro-bit, not LRG. Minor difference, but generally, Retro-but seems to have a little better favor with consumers that LRG.
This can't be correct as I own the Limited Run MegaMan wily wars.
@@symbolic2v1 You know what? We're both right. LRG was one of the North American distributors. I didn't know that until I did some Web searching. Retro-bit was the project head for the game, but I didn't realize there were multiple distributors.
I think the slow down was just because of the European version being 50hz
I’d rather buy another type of “mini” console with built in games officially approved rather than from limited run garbo. The price is not worth it
It's less plastic too!
I would like mini consoles more, if they could run actual hardware games also, and werent limited to the few games that they put onto them and thats it.
I agree
I disagree
Now that the quick news is outta the way, let’s get into the bigger stuff…
Welp 13 hours later it is sold out and going for over 600$ on ebay... Love modern gaming
I guess it depends on how you define “resurgence”. We’ve been getting new SNES, NES, Genesis and GBC games for the last several years. Several indie publishers are putting them out (LRG, iam8bit, neofid studios, pixel heart, etc).
Doom seems to be getting more attention than most of the previous releases but new cartridges isn’t a recent trend
Shame how physicals is gonna be overrun with LRG. Been seeing them so much lately in almost everything including bigger companies. “Limited run” meaning those items will be flooded by scalpers sooner or later. Not to mention their $200 collector editions are usually awful items most of the time and then 1 item that’s decent
What do you mean overrun by scalpers? You can preorder the game from LRG usually for 35 to 45 bucks. If you choose not to, then you should have to pay a premium. Shit or get off the pot
@@spacelion4763Another t*rd as usual. I am talking about games that have been sold out. Not to mention their long shipping time. LRG isn’t paying you little bro. Get off the pot
@@spacelion4763Except they only allow a limited number of preorders 🙄
@@altonb.1396That too. Just ignore that guy. seems like he is defending his precious LRG so far
you cant scalp anything from limited run, they go up for preorder and then fill all the orders and your looking at $200 collectors from companies that dont give a damn, all the collectros ones i have got have tons of stuff for the price including soundtrack cd artbook the game and othe collectable items. limited collections in general suck they should always be up for order but they never will be that pro consumer sadly
I'll tell you this right now, if Nintendo released the original SNES but just with added HDMI output like the SNES Classic Mini and also re-released a whole bunch of original physical SNES games again, maybe with added FastROM to all the games that once used SlowROM and some extra QoL tweaks and features where it made sense too, I would buy those in a heartbeat. And, if they were smart, they'd just make the cartridge slot universal this time around too, so whichever model you buy you can use the carts from any other region too.
In a heartbeat I tell you.
And, because of the original 60 million NES and 49.1 million SNES sales, plus the 3.6 million NES Classic Mini and 5.28 million SNES Classic Mini sales in modern times too, I think those retro systems make more sense than any other retro systems to do this for in modern times.
You could throw the equivalent of a raspberry pi 1 soc on a Super Nintendo cartridge and use it to run Doom. So finding something even smaller that can emulate the SuperFX 2 chip seems very possible.
An enchanced, sped up version of Starfox woud be interesting.
then the game would only be about 7 minutes long.
I mean that's pretty easy to test out on an emulator too
It's always a surprise when people even mention that franchise outside of smash bros
There's a ROM hack available that ports Star Fox to the Super FX 2 chip and (at least for now) that game's progression is tied to the clock speed of the chip, so while you get higher framerates the game also plays like it's being "fast forward".
I love this. But I hate that I have to give LRG business to buy it. Gonna pass on it.
It sounds like people don't understand how limited run works. you're not ordering an in-stock item off amazon. Limited run prepares a project then puts up a pre-order for a month or so, then produces an amount of the item proportional to the orders. It is more like a kickstarter but with a guarantee that you will actually get what you ordered within six months to a year. not a service for impatient people.
I don't think you can claim there's a new trend based on a single re-release, and there have been a few SNES re-prints over the last couple years, and it hasn't led to some torrent of re-prints of games.
@@yellowblanka6058 you didn’t watch the video did you? He is talking about the new fx chip in the cart lol. That’s the new trend. Not basic re-prints.
If the big companies do something like that there would be a lot more visibility and the sales generated from that would be telling more than from a 3rd party. As it is, its a bit of interesting information that may or may not generate that kind of announcement.
Exactly. This is probably just Id Software wanting to right the wrong of the snes version to celebrate the anniversary. I hope we will see a similar action for Wolfenstein 3D as well, the snes version of that was worse than the snes Doom.
@@TheLastLineLive Well, it perhaps the best they could do at that time as well, no idea their time frame. Better than some other ports from other companies at least.
Sick of only download games … need physical copy…
Not only did LRG sell burned CDRs, not only do their wait times suck, they also fired an employee for who they follow on Twitter.
Hell to the no.
The burned CDRs, as far as I know, was on a single release. Wait times don't suck if you compare them to other sites. I'm still waiting on Ray'z Arcade Chronology from Strictly Limited. I ordered it 25 months ago. Also, someone getting fired for a Twitter situation is not enough for me to not want physical copies of games that I want.
People get fired, it happens sadly oh well
WHo were they following?
@@NadiaStarspaw Not for following someone, what if your boss brought you into the office and said "Look, we're going to have to let you go, this one person you follow... I don't like him so you've got to find another job
@@hypersonicfalcon6802 If I recall, the employee followed the Harry Potter creator lady.
>LRG mentioned
who cares nothing is gonna be interesting with them involved
Limited Run is a cool idea, in theory. Having to wait 8-9mo for a game is ridiculous. Quit buying from them long time ago
Well, its not like they have their own factory to make these things too. Once the preorders are done, they send whatever company/companies they are dealing with with the purchase order. Then they are place in a queue with everyone who's ordered in front of them also with their own timeline to get whatever made. After that it needs to get shipped to their warehouse, packed up to send to whoever ordered it.
@callak_9974 and...
Its because the creator still has source code to do this
Bro came back from retirement just to re-optimize his game
Yes, Randy Linden worked on this updated release, I have to give kudos for him doing something like this
@@MarioKartSuperCircuitagreed. I'll bet it was a nice, fun blast to the past.
He released the source code on Github years ago.
The Evercade is making a ton of cartridges also and its ecosystem of consoles is getting bigger and bigger
PLEASE!!! I would love to have cartridges again! But let’s go further, a final fantasy 7 rebirth cartridge.
Though creating a new and improved version of SNES Doom is really cool and interesting, I can't help but feel like it tarnishes how special that original release was which was mega impressive for the time to even run at all. Despite the issues it's a really enjoyable SNES game. Taking away the flaws also takes away the charm.
Dude, that would be so awesome to see more new retro games being released 🙌
I think we would need something like the RETRON 5 (or newer if there is one) to be marketed way heavier to compete with modern consoles
Why doesn't Nintendo do what Atari did and re release a newer version of the NES or SNES that uses your old game cardridges but also uses HDMI, is region free etc like atari did with the new Atari 2600+ Atari even re released games.
Because Nintendo doesn't care to premote their old stuff (even if it makes stupid money)
You are funny.... region free. It's way out of Nintendo hands vs contracts companies made nationally and internationally. Heck at one point Nintendo Japan was going to sue Nintendo usa.
Those exist already: RetroUSB AVS (nes) and Analogue SuperNT (snes). There are others.
Atari is just a logo these days. They're not the ones making that hardware. Those are also software emu devices and mostly inaccurate to the original devices in terms of performance...
The Atari 2600 used off-the-shelf parts, the SNES didn't. These means Nintendo would have to spend _a_ _lot_ more to manufacture a SNES re-issue _unless_ it was an FPGA clone or an emulator-in-a-box, both of which are already available from third-parties for playing cartridges (and ROMs) anyhow.
Square Enix made something similar like 5+ years ago (pre-pandemic), they were selling PS1 new games: FF XI, Crono Cross, FF anthology, the collection with Chrono Trigger; the discs were silver instead of black but I think it have mixed results because SE isn't doing that anymore.
They were selling new old stock they still had.
They still sell ps1 and ps2 games on their website
Still waiting for the Terranigma re-release. I won't hold my breath.
Makes me want to sail the seven seas even more, to be honest.
The OG devs from Activision are making new Atari 2600 games that stretch the console's abilities, including functional QR codes for leaderboards.
I'd like to see Limited Run partner up and re-release dormant IP games
I mean, that's what they've been doing for a while now. Just very slowly.
I like to see LRG go away.
Considering new game cartridges haven't been a thing for a couple decades, wouldn't any mass production of cartridges be a resurgence?
I think actually the coolest physical release is the Tilt Bros NES cart with WiFi. it's wild.
It's worth mentioning if the cartridge market "re-emerges", manufacturers will be using flash or hybrid flash chips, just like the "repro market". For retro consoles this is because Mask ROM is only available for large orders these days, eg: 100K+ chips, and for new consoles this is because Mask ROM maxes out at 512MB, and in both cases flash or hybrid flash is simply cheaper anyway.
Limited Run has quickly depleted whatever goodwill they initially had. Their sales tactics are predatory and their versions of these game often end up falling well short of "definitive". Even if this ends up being what they say it is, I'm sure they'll do something else to poison the deal. Hard pass for me.
You had to mention my fetish system, the Jaguar. A retro store had a Jaguar body but no guts for some reason. Such a tease.
See the 'stopkillinggames' initiative for the reason we want physical media more at the moment
I would like Nintendo take it a step further and re release the NES/SNES mini consoles with compatible mini cartridges
Things just got even more interesting with the announcement of the new version of NESmaker called Retro Game Forge that is going to allow people to make actual SNES games. Now that could be a game changer for the modern SNES indie/homebrew community.
This must be a joke video there is no way you think LRG making retro physical games will have a “resurgence” Unless you just mean ONLY Limited Run Games or other companies seeking out LRG, sure. That doesn’t sound like a good deal with how bad LRG is though.
Who are you comparing LRG to though? They are better than Strictly Limited for sure. Better than most companies that serve this need. Do I wish we could just walk into a store and get physical copies of everything we want? Sure.
But that is just not the world we live in anymore...and it has nothing to do with Limited Run and more to do with companies no longer wanting to issue physical copies for smaller games
@@spacelion4763Not gonna bother replying to a ragebait account. Touch that green grass
@@kaku5753 I don't agree with your hate for LRG so I must be a rage bait account and need to touch grass? Laughable
@@kaku5753lol
i don’t care how unique it is until LRG is gone then maybe I’ll be interested in physical retro games again
Well why not shop Strictly Limited or Super Rare? they sell retro games too.
Some times even the same ones if Retro bit is involved.
Wow! So much hatred towards LRG, as I'd they were the source of madness.
@@suroguner I've been waiting for my strictly limited order for a year and a half.
@@thethingoid what did you order?
@@suroguner Puzzlebobble Everybobble with both plushies.
Great video Jon. Can’t wait till you put out the video of you checking out the cartridge 80 months from now 😂.
Eveyone complains about bots on here but I never see them lol
Guess the bots got drowned up by all the comments complaining about LRG.
Because Jon cleans up the comments for us, and also diligent viewers report them when they see 'em.
Nintendo has demonstrated the cartridge presses still work- those gold NES cartridges packaged with Nintendo World Championships didn’t come from nowhere…
This could open the door for Nintendo to release SNES games with updated audio and video based on the MSU1 projects since storage on cartridge based media is so much larger. We could have an offical Zelda: LttP orcestral release with video cut scenes that is playable on the SNES for example, they could even release the same game on Switch as well.
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I wish for retro console Switch 2 Docks. TV docks when no Switch is docked act as older consoles. With ability when a older game cartridge is inserted it unlocks rewards or bonus content on Switch two games of the same franchise. I would love to have a N64 TV dock that you could insert N64 carts on top with what looks like a DD64 on the bottom where the Switch and Switch 2 dock. Also as a classic retro console that is SuperNES and Gamecube console hybrid that looks similar to Nintendo Playstation prototype console.
Out of all platforms SNES was the one to put a "definitive" Doom edition on? 😕
Ps1 was done dirty
I Kickstarted Beyond Shadowgate and am extremely excited to get a replica NES cartridge. The game is digital only, but they offered a collectible cartridge just to have. Going to frame it along with the original Shadowgate one.
The biggest ones for Nintendo would be some of those previously unreleased titles. The English version of Fire Emblem and Earthbound Beginnings. And probably the biggest crown jewel, Star Fox 2.
I think this would be a really lucrative avenue for GameStop to explore with them along with some other smaller retro game shops and stuff. Their entire business seems to be shrinking and shrinking atm and to future proof it a bit, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to have a joint venture where only they sell these legit copies of older stuff or something but they pay for a bit of it on their end idk just spitballing.
2 minutes in and I count 6 "female" bot comments.
why do they do it? whats the point? i dont get it
@@Shikmusikit's everywhere especially on gaming content channels.
And they're all an hour old lol
Yeah, what is the motivation behind that?
I don't get why they do it. They don't get payed from liked comments on a UA-cam video. I don't understand their motive.
We should have gone back to cartridges in some form or another years ago. For gaming purposes, optical disc was obsolete after 360 and PS3 era. Despite the storage capacity advantage, they just don't have the read speeds to keep up. It's the whole reason we still have to install games despite having the disc. Which may have been on purpose. This allowed companies to put nothing but a download key on a disc and make a physical purchase be essentially meaningless and pushing us more into all digital.
I'm happy to see these modern style Super Nintendo or retro game related items. Cool video. ^_^
I suspect the DOOM cart uses an FPGA. Most modern expanded cartridges do.
From 2004 to 2017 one got to play Star Fox 2 by using donor carts with Super FX chips and inserting the Star Fox 2 fan translation in its place.
A while back, Capcom did re-release Mega Man 2 and Mega Man X on new cartridges for the original consoles. It looked pretty cool to me.
There's no problem to replicate any cartridge or disc media. Manufacturers still have all blueprints and silicon lithography masks. They just have to place an order on a fab ^_^ It's another question if they will.
Thought this video was gonna be somewhat interesting till you mentioned Limited Run Games. Just awful
The Neo Geo AES / MVS is the best example for using the cartridge to expand the capabilities of the system. Their carts had a lot more hardware in them and were more expensive but the platform lasted over 15 years. It only became obsolete because of high definition. It is theoretically possible to put a raspberry pi inside a cart and program up a game that has multiplayer over the wireless connection. You could even make carts with RJ45 ports to go wired. Being able to advance the technology in the game itself without upgrading the whole system is one of the BIG differences between cartridge and optical disc systems. Discs are MUCH cheaper to make but can only hold code.
I think the real question is: Are there enough of any old console to warrant this kind of time investment to get development done? Secondarily, would a company who makes their own aftermarket consoles want to do it or would they rather just make their own system from scratch? Is there even enough public interest to make something like this? I think it's technically possible but making the product appealing to enough of the market is the hard part.
"we have a special chip"
The chip: pi pico
The biggest thing that could transform the retrogame market would be TV manufacturers integrating retrotink-like technology into their TVs.
LIMITED RUN 💀
I’ve never been a big fan of Digital Media I’ve always been interested in Physical Media only and I think it’s a great idea for companies to make new games for older hardware I mean companies like Nintendo or Sega could start reselling their older consoles along side new versions of games for the retro gaming industry.
Things just got weird
I hope it's not just limited to older games. I wouldn't mind games for the PS1 or PS2. :D
If some of these companies would actually make official rereleased hardware, they could make a decent chunk of money I would think. I mean, the NES Classic sold enough to warrant an SNES classic, imagine how many more they would've sold if you could play actual cartridges on those things.
I wish I could share you optimisum on physical carts. But to me this will remain a collectors edition niche market and mostly only for legendary IP.
If they could make these in maskrom, it would be amazing.
This "FX 3" is an FPGA core of the FX (GSU-2) chip. With a few enhancements, such as more available RAM, higher clock speed. The SNES Doom LRG version was actually running on an Analogue Super Nt, off of an SD2SNES flashcart. I expect the rom to be dumped and perhaps the SD2SNES FPGA core.
It would be easier to just re-release retro consoles (with updates). So both new and old games can be played.
Knowing LR I wouldn't be surprised if they cheated on those cartridges.
With who ?
I'll be buying one when it goes up
Retro gaming is the future!
I always thought Nintendo and Sega should make to order retro consoles, and games. And that developers should make retro games for the old consoles. I always felt like the Saturn and Dreamcast never reached their full optimized potential. One can dream I guess
Evercade cartridges and the decent updated retro games on Steam or Nintendo eShop are the best value for our hard earned fundage.
When I ordered my Scott pilgrim, the highest edition, my mom thought I got scanned It took so long.😂
Interesting Times!
It'd be absolutely amazing if Nintendo would get on board with the retro gaming market. I think there is a much larger market for this then Nintendo realizes. Just imagine if they were to make new versions of the NES, SNES, and N64 consoles, but with a couple enhancements for modern times. Imagine 4k resolution (or at least 1080p), NES now able to output stereo and cartridges no longer needing to be pressed down, N64 with expansion pak built into the console, and new wireless versions of the controllers for each console. The new N64 controllers would be modernized, now looking very similar to the Retro Fighters controllers and having built-in rumble. The new NES controllers would be available in original or dog bone style. Lastly, Nintendo would make brand new games for those consoles which would play on the new versions of the consoles as well as the original ones.
Isn't that hard to reverse engineer a 30 year old chip, making a new ASIC out of it neither.
Only thing is, if the sales recoup the costs for it, would estimate one engineer should take around a year to have a working IC.
Already worked on things like that :)
It's cool that old games can get official reprints these days, but who the hell cares about Doom on SNES in 2024? That game is on literally everything.
Way better on PC too. The only use I can think of for this would be for collecting. Still cool, but id rather play doom on PC, and LITERALLY any pc can run Doom ha
You won't see this cartridge released for well over a year. Just find the ROM and you're done.
Yuzo Koshiro and his developers team is releasing a game on Genesis called Earthion soon...this is really getting interreting on how they consider these retro consoles as a potential market.
I think this would be a great time for Sega to do something with the MegaDrive/Genesis. Its easy to make games for AND some high profile people ARE making cartridge based games.
Sega revival would be great
A studio should focus on their legacy titles more lest they risk losing the code for one of their games and it ends up somewhere else where they never expected to see it. Though I'm sure the modding community would love to see it fall into their hands, rather than have it buried into nothingness somewhere nobody has access to it. Ah, the duality
I saw some footage floating around of someone playing a build of it at QuakeCon, though it was on a Super NT via flash cart. It ran shockingly well, so I’m interested to see how the actual cart will perform.
Atari has been doing this over the last year, but they focus more on a “collector” market. The last wave of releases was a lot more accessible price-wise and I think they’ll continue producing affordable carts of both new and old games.
My biggest issue is if it does become a mainstream practice they will increase their litigious nature against romsites and emulator projects tenfold and destroy the emulation community. I do think it's cool but not at the cost of current digital preservation efforts.
As cool as the idea is, I wouldn't necessarily buy a modern re-release of old games. I own an FX Pak Pro already. The real big thing about this is the development of a more powerful superfx compatible chip, that could potentially be used in fan games and rom hacks and the possibility of reverse engineering it, to be used in modern emulation.
Found this video very interesting!
Old games on cartridge will sell like hot cakes
Capcom and LRG have partnered for this before with Mega Man The Wily Wars
Instead of having to include a chip on every single cartridge why not just release a cartridge that has the chip and then you just stick another cartridge on top to use the chip aka the 32x from the Genesis?
Retro Bit has done this with some Genesis games already but Doom getting rereleased on the SNES will be a bigger deal due to the IP itself.
I don’t know that Nintendo would make enough money to justify releasing their own carts unless it was like a one-of with a game like Earthbound that they have the rights to. It would easily justify a $60/$70 price tag and even like $120 if they remade it CIB, big box and all.
These companies really should reprint old games especially CD or DVD based games, I would pay for a new copy of a PS1/2/3 games or any other console
I don’t think it will ever happen. Not enough interest as they would be “2nd runs” and not as collectible as the originals. It would totally jack up the collectible market. Not that Nintendo or other companies care about the 2nd hand market…
Only in a sense that they want more control of it.
With companies like GameStop not even carrying consoles after a certain age… I think it shows there’s no mass interest.
Every time I see any publisher using LRG, I’m not buying it. It’s artificial scarcity that causes such stupid pricing. Every time I went to buy any vita release from the place it was always sold out in an instant with no restock in sight. Screw that place.
Music records were king, then CDs came. Then downloads and streaming killed CDs. People who want physical music media now get records again.
I love doom on snes. Definitely getting this