How can anybody who knows about music and life not appreciate this interpretation? No, here come the music zombies, with their sheet music under their arms, lecturing one of the greatest living pianists on how to play and where to search!
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I don't love everything in this performance and I doubt there is anyone who sees eye to eye on everything in this interpretation, yet there are so many wonderful moments, such as the reintroduction of the second theme in the recap. It is very refreshing to listen to someone who refuses to go out of his way to please (or not offend, let's say) as many people as possible.
+kramerica2k6 yes it is serious...besides, sadness is beyond seriousness...please respect pain... ivo´s sound is complex, it is magical and mysterious....and now it is beyond beauty...beyond life...beyond you....it is eternity...makes time and space collapse...now his sound and his art is even stronger than maria callas, who was destroyed when grew older and weaker, by much of the critics and public who use to love her...she was cruelly betrayed, left alone and suicide herself, ivo survived everything, infinite pain, envy, critics, public opinion....his sound is his strength...long life to this unique artist...and to you, hope some day you could appreciate ivo...you will understand some beautiful mysteries of life, of love.
To paraphrase Mahatma Gandhi - Surely there is more to life than increasing its speed - I feel that the depth, solemnity, and expressiveness of Pogorelich's rendition far transcends the musical offering of the "racers" of today (too many to list). Besides, who among us, prithee, is such an authority on Liszt and Dante to prescribe the right tempo this piece should be played at? Who of us has read - and tried to understand - Dante?
Dante : connais pas. Liszt, un peu, mais assez pour savoir que c’est un auteur parfois inégalable ( Valse, rhapsodies) puis carrément hypertrophié sur le tard. Merci à Ivo d’avoir essayé d’en tirer du neuf.
Its funny that in all Pogolerich's videos of recent performances there are only to extreme opinions: "I hate him", "I love him"..... personally more fan of the second
True...like Horowitz, he's very idiosyncratic and pushes the envelop where it's least expected. But....there's ALWAYS the genius, like his Brahms Intermezzos/Rhapsodies. BRAVO from San Agustinillo!
There is a phenomenon that many fall into - that aging artists become more magical, even those who have experienced severe psychological and/or medical struggles. Was Horowitz or Bolet anywhere near a top pianist in the 1980s (except maybe in light music)? Millions thought Horowitz in Moscow was incredible (incredibly awful was more reality). But for Pogorelich, there are tiny few who think that he has elevated into an even greater pianist than earlier in his career and he had a much bigger following. It is almost as if the very last of his biggest fans can not let go - as anyone who is first introduced to him through recordings of the past 10 plus years can only laugh.
"....as anyone who is first introduced to him through recordings of the past 10 plus years can only laugh" Why you saying that? What would you like to hear? Just listen - without all these predudices and predefined conclusions.
Psychoanalysis - and here it's served in volumes, on both the "us," general public, and the artist - aside and out (along with other tosh) I have no problems saying this is an exceptional artist; incomparably deeper than,say Lang Lang, Yuja Wang and other "ngs." Matter of fact I am unable to truly compare him with any pianist today. Welcome back, Ivo: we are eagerly awaiting to hear more of your playing.
From what I am hearing in the first five minutes, this is the picture it needs to create.. - it holds together better than any of the other ones that I have heard on youtube. Fantastic dramatic sense. Of course I would not expect any less. This is a very dark piece - all those alternating sixteenths are the thunder and shaking of the ground. I am amazed how students of the piano treat them as a virtuoso passage - as if we need to hear every note clearly or another approach is to have a clear melody as if a walk in the park. Seriously? Liszt can write differently, if he wanted such outcomes. Music lovers, the first five minutes are one phrase - listen and find someone else who does it better and post here, I would like to know. It is unfortunate that volume was turned down at 4:10, adjust your volume accordingly. One finally arrives to rupture at around 5 min. Show me who else holds the pieces better together up to that point. I am a fan!!!
Georgi Slavchev Sadly the first five minutes are only of the quarter of the whole piece, and it's all too slow. Pogorelich has lost it in an interpretative sense.
Georgi Slavchev I get this. It's the Liszt I've always wanted. I usually just can't stand him, with a few exceptions. But what he's doing is miraculous, in the sense of "miracle" Hannah Arendt meant as the intercession in what works otherwise take an inevitable course... into the banality of Liszt's 19th century rhetoric and standard piano virtuosity. But this, IF you can get it, which is not so hard if you can dwell in pitch and tone, like a movie, is a revelation.
I am totally with you on this comment. I knew Ivo well in his heyday in the 80's and 90's and have NEVER seen or heard performances like he gave. They were incredible. But, as a concert pianist who has played this many times, the interminable pauses and, sorry to say this, virtually floundering for the notes, has made me very sad. There is no doubt that he can play the notes, but at what cost to the overall structure of the piece?
I agree, but unfortunately something happened to his brain after his wife passed. No famous concert pianist would play like this on purpose (even with the score).
I don't know what Pogorelich was 30+ years ago, but this performance is unacceptable. Especially the loud parts. If one comes up with strange ways to play well known repertoire, that doesn't necessarily mean he is a deep thinker or profound or better than anyone else that stays within the normal parameters. Nyiregyhazi was another. No, this is definitely a thumbs down performance.
+shilloshillos this is a thumbs down performance....Should i give your comment a thumbs up or thumbs down...I agree but not sure which button to click.
How can anybody who knows about music and life not appreciate this interpretation? No, here come the music zombies, with their sheet music under their arms, lecturing one of the greatest living pianists on how to play and where to search!
This is true Pogorelich, and true Liszt. A master pianist interpreting a master composer.
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Magistral...Merci pour ces moments d'intenses émotions....Interprète exceptionnel et tellement attachant!...
That was very very good :-) Very expressive!
Thanks for sharing ! Please upload more if you have any :-)
Pogorelich's interpretation surprised me; I felt it was the best.
This is fantastic Ivo...
I don't love everything in this performance and I doubt there is anyone who sees eye to eye on everything in this interpretation, yet there are so many wonderful moments, such as the reintroduction of the second theme in the recap. It is very refreshing to listen to someone who refuses to go out of his way to please (or not offend, let's say) as many people as possible.
LG
LG PS
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The brilliant virtuoso of the early days has become one of the deepest musical thinkers .... On a par with with Furtwangler and Callas.
Are you serious? All I hear is a sad man clearly off his meds. It's really quite embarrassing.
kramerica2k6
It's because You still can't hear the infinite space between notes :)
kramerica2k6 quello imbarazzante sei tu caro signor nessuno
porta rispetto!!
This is a fantastic performance.
+kramerica2k6 yes it is serious...besides, sadness is beyond seriousness...please respect pain... ivo´s sound is complex, it is magical and mysterious....and now it is beyond beauty...beyond life...beyond you....it is eternity...makes time and space collapse...now his sound and his art is even stronger than maria callas, who was destroyed when grew older and weaker, by much of the critics and public who use to love her...she was cruelly betrayed, left alone and suicide herself, ivo survived everything, infinite pain, envy, critics, public opinion....his sound is his strength...long life to this unique artist...and to you, hope some day you could appreciate ivo...you will understand some beautiful mysteries of life, of love.
To paraphrase Mahatma Gandhi - Surely there is more to life than increasing its speed - I feel that the depth, solemnity, and expressiveness of Pogorelich's rendition far transcends the musical offering of the "racers" of today (too many to list). Besides, who among us, prithee, is such an authority on Liszt and Dante to prescribe the right tempo this piece should be played at? Who of us has read - and tried to understand - Dante?
+Predrag-Peter Ilich This piece is not based on Dante's divine comedy, but rather on Victor Hugo's "Apres une lecture du Dante".
Dante : connais pas. Liszt, un peu, mais assez pour savoir que c’est un auteur parfois inégalable ( Valse, rhapsodies) puis carrément hypertrophié sur le tard. Merci à Ivo d’avoir essayé d’en tirer du neuf.
i think you mean, too many to liszt
merci
Great!!!
Impressing! Thanks a lot! Is 4:18 original? Never heard it like this......
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Die Hoffnungslosigkeit der Höllenvorstellung is mit den Händen zu greifen.
Its funny that in all Pogolerich's videos of recent performances there are only to extreme opinions: "I hate him", "I love him"..... personally more fan of the second
True...like Horowitz, he's very idiosyncratic and pushes the envelop where it's least expected. But....there's ALWAYS the genius, like his Brahms Intermezzos/Rhapsodies. BRAVO from San Agustinillo!
quando vita musica e morte si incontrano è il massimo. alessio fagioli
Pasta e fagioli
❤❤❤🔝🔥👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Modest. Listen to Pisarenko !
There is a phenomenon that many fall into - that aging artists become more magical, even those who have experienced severe psychological and/or medical struggles. Was Horowitz or Bolet anywhere near a top pianist in the 1980s (except maybe in light music)? Millions thought Horowitz in Moscow was incredible (incredibly awful was more reality). But for Pogorelich, there are tiny few who think that he has elevated into an even greater pianist than earlier in his career and he had a much bigger following. It is almost as if the very last of his biggest fans can not let go - as anyone who is first introduced to him through recordings of the past 10 plus years can only laugh.
"....as anyone who is first introduced to him through recordings of the past 10 plus years can only laugh"
Why you saying that? What would you like to hear? Just listen - without all these predudices and predefined conclusions.
Psychoanalysis - and here it's served in volumes, on both the "us," general public, and the artist - aside and out (along with other tosh) I have no problems saying this is an exceptional artist; incomparably deeper than,say Lang Lang, Yuja Wang and other "ngs." Matter of fact I am unable to truly compare him with any pianist today. Welcome back, Ivo: we are eagerly awaiting to hear more of your playing.
From what I am hearing in the first five minutes, this is the picture it needs to create.. - it holds together better than any of the other ones that I have heard on youtube. Fantastic dramatic sense. Of course I would not expect any less. This is a very dark piece - all those alternating sixteenths are the thunder and shaking of the ground. I am amazed how students of the piano treat them as a virtuoso passage - as if we need to hear every note clearly or another approach is to have a clear melody as if a walk in the park. Seriously? Liszt can write differently, if he wanted such outcomes. Music lovers, the first five minutes are one phrase - listen and find someone else who does it better and post here, I would like to know. It is unfortunate that volume was turned down at 4:10, adjust your volume accordingly. One finally arrives to rupture at around 5 min. Show me who else holds the pieces better together up to that point. I am a fan!!!
Georgi Slavchev Sadly the first five minutes are only of the quarter of the whole piece, and it's all too slow. Pogorelich has lost it in an interpretative sense.
Georgi Slavchev I get this. It's the Liszt I've always wanted. I usually just can't stand him, with a few exceptions. But what he's doing is miraculous, in the sense of "miracle" Hannah Arendt meant as the intercession in what works otherwise take an inevitable course... into the banality of Liszt's 19th century rhetoric and standard piano virtuosity. But this, IF you can get it, which is not so hard if you can dwell in pitch and tone, like a movie, is a revelation.
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I will take the Volodos performance over this any day.
This is Pogorelich taking Liszt to the level of Pink Floyd.
is that a compliment or? Pink Floyd are actually good lol...
It's a compliment. Pogorelich made this Liszt piece sound darker than other renditions.
Don't move recorder!
Don't be a prick
Not as dreadful as his 49-minute "B minor Sonata". But it does come close! Monumentally misguided, to be polite.
I am totally with you on this comment. I knew Ivo well in his heyday in the 80's and 90's and have NEVER seen or heard performances like he gave. They were incredible. But, as a concert pianist who has played this many times, the interminable pauses and, sorry to say this, virtually floundering for the notes, has made me very sad. There is no doubt that he can play the notes, but at what cost to the overall structure of the piece?
I agree, but unfortunately something happened to his brain after his wife passed. No famous concert pianist would play like this on purpose (even with the score).
This is bad interpreted by pogorelich it's to slow there is no sense of liszt
he is the pure-blood member of liszt school
please, play for us :)
So all Liszt has to be fast all the time?
Exactly!!
I don't know what Pogorelich was 30+ years ago, but this performance is unacceptable. Especially the loud parts. If one comes up with strange ways to play well known repertoire, that doesn't necessarily mean he is a deep thinker or profound or better than anyone else that stays within the normal parameters. Nyiregyhazi was another. No, this is definitely a thumbs down performance.
+shilloshillos this is a thumbs down performance....Should i give your comment a thumbs up or thumbs down...I agree but not sure which button to click.
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