You called me out right at 11:45! I will not go down a rabbit hole and will pick a pill and go. I can always try the other pill once the first one digests a bit, lol. Thank you, bro.
Very well explained from your point of view. I am a 'developer' with many years of coding / language knowledge, it's 'design' that I struggle with.. and was looking at Framer or Webflow with Figma.
Exact same experience (webflow academy then flux) then framer and boom! My mind exploded. Agree with everything you said! Also no regret learning webflow, it is a good ui designer training bc you need to think class, method, cohesiveness. And you build good habits.
It's the worst part of Webflow's marketing spiel. "No-code", "Designer-friendly", etc. etc. It's completely inaccurate to the skillset that's actually needed for the platform, borderline false advertising. People that excel early in Webflow are the ones that come in from a frontend developer background. I will say this - for the non-devs out there that are looking to learn some basic code, Webflow is the best tool in the world for wrapping your head around it. Way better than plugging through some $10 Udesly "Learn HTML, CSS, and JS in 5 hours!" course.
I LOVE Framer! Its so perfectly made for designers. Their A.I. feature where you can type in a type of website you want and it creates some sample designs, is really great. However, not being able to export code is a big con.
I don't want to say I told you, but I told you so (months ago) but good that you finally realised and made the change. Webflow is great but for landing pages Framer is more than enough, plus it's the easiest one out there to learn and ship imo. About the benefit of webflow over framer by exporting code that you mentioned, I wouldn't think thats something that happens often, I also code myself and I have not yet use any of those figma,etc to code platforms because it makes spaghetti code with weird namings and a lot of unnecesary divs, most of the time it just wont align with what you already built, it's just easier to make it from scratch. Ps. you can do the designs in Figma and export it to Framer, works well although I found doing it directly in Framer easier since it basically works like Figma.
Im a designer and I think Framer is a better choice for me when it comes to designing a page or mobile UI , the idea of no having full control over my website to download the code and do whatever I want with it ,made me never use and learn Framer ! , I think for them is a big loss , in the idea of most clients wants this choice but on the other hand I think the lock on their CMS and platform they counter with the prices on long term. Anyway is just my personal thought but I want full control of anything I do or use ! .Great video , cya
The MOST REVEALING COMMENT : Webflow is more of DEVELOPMENT in DNA with HTML (content structure) on the LEFT side panel group and CSS (styling) on the RIGHT side panel group. ✅👍
if you already work with html,css and JS then webFlow is straightforward and you just use it.. no learning curve at all really. Thats my experience ; if not then I can imagine it would be tough to adapt to the way it works. In fact for me flow is a breath of fresh air.. because as a dev sometimes I get stuck with some quite frankly nasty horrible page builder in a WP site... and its nowhere near as straightforward as webFlow. The problem with framer is from the research I have done it seems unable to easily extract html,css and JS, whereas flow does. I would need that feature. if I can use the pagebuilder features rather than code , then I might be able work faster.. and if i can then extract that code, I can then integrate it anywhere and work with it. Design is my issue though.. I'm not one.
I came from the design world, so Webflow was definitely overwhelming. But it’s been a year since I started using it, and I now love it. I would never choose Framer over Webflow at this point
@@jansleyreal Its looking good. Just one thing I would like.. I would really like it if I could write raw html,css and JS and then for flow to be able to import that code and then allow me to switch to the builder ; I dont believe it works that way around.
No. Framer is perfect for web designers because it is where the web designing world is heading. Moreover, Framer has an embedded React component where you can write any code to extend your website's functionality to something more complex. Framer is the future of web design.
@@CarlosGomesCabral - If you don't mind, would you please answer this question for me. I'm torn between Webflow, and Framer. It's not due of my ability to learn the platform with the steeper learning curve, in as much as it's due to time restraints, and the prospective clients I wish to approach. Seemingly, learning Framer, and then picking up some CSS/HTML skills along the way feels as if it might best suit my needs. Am I crazy for thinking this way … is this approach even worth the time and effort ??
@@CarlosGomesCabralI know React so using Framer is a no brainer. I love being able to design things and animate it with React Motion. Then if I need more I just write custom React/Typescript components.
You called me out right at 11:45! I will not go down a rabbit hole and will pick a pill and go. I can always try the other pill once the first one digests a bit, lol. Thank you, bro.
Haha Exactly just pick a pill! :)
Very well explained from your point of view. I am a 'developer' with many years of coding / language knowledge, it's 'design' that I struggle with.. and was looking at Framer or Webflow with Figma.
Thank you, appreciate you stopping by!
Many thanks. That was really, really helpful, and good advice at the end as well! Thanks for taking the time to make the video. 👍
Glad it was helpful! :)
Exact same experience (webflow academy then flux) then framer and boom! My mind exploded. Agree with everything you said! Also no regret learning webflow, it is a good ui designer training bc you need to think class, method, cohesiveness. And you build good habits.
Awesome video and overview! Thank you!
Glad it helped!
It's the worst part of Webflow's marketing spiel. "No-code", "Designer-friendly", etc. etc. It's completely inaccurate to the skillset that's actually needed for the platform, borderline false advertising. People that excel early in Webflow are the ones that come in from a frontend developer background.
I will say this - for the non-devs out there that are looking to learn some basic code, Webflow is the best tool in the world for wrapping your head around it. Way better than plugging through some $10 Udesly "Learn HTML, CSS, and JS in 5 hours!" course.
Totally agree that webflow is a great way to learn code, or at least the logic of HTML and CSS.
What if you are already an expert html/css/js/phper - is webflow or framer better for coding a figma design or am I better off just coding it by hand?
@@rz9wbwebflow will be better is more a developer site. Framer is designer
Nice video. Good insights. I just wish you had told me that bit about the Framer lock-in up front. That's a deal-breaker for me. Thanks!
Yeah the lock-in is annoying
I LOVE Framer! Its so perfectly made for designers. Their A.I. feature where you can type in a type of website you want and it creates some sample designs, is really great.
However, not being able to export code is a big con.
I haven't dabbled much with the AI features. But yeah the lack of code export is a big letdown for me
But is that because they want you to publish on their platform vs exporting all the code and hosting elsewhere?
Because you can't export your work webflow wins over framer period
This helped a lot! Thank you so much❤️🙏 great video
Glad it helped you out! :)
Awesome breakdown man!
Thanks Andres, appreciate you saying that! :)
Good review. 👏
Glad you liked it, thanks!
I don't want to say I told you, but I told you so (months ago) but good that you finally realised and made the change. Webflow is great but for landing pages Framer is more than enough, plus it's the easiest one out there to learn and ship imo.
About the benefit of webflow over framer by exporting code that you mentioned, I wouldn't think thats something that happens often, I also code myself and I have not yet use any of those figma,etc to code platforms because it makes spaghetti code with weird namings and a lot of unnecesary divs, most of the time it just wont align with what you already built, it's just easier to make it from scratch.
Ps. you can do the designs in Figma and export it to Framer, works well although I found doing it directly in Framer easier since it basically works like Figma.
great vid, thank you!
You're welcome Jacob, glad you liked it!
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Im a designer and I think Framer is a better choice for me when it comes to designing a page or mobile UI , the idea of no having full control over my website to download the code and do whatever I want with it ,made me never use and learn Framer ! , I think for them is a big loss , in the idea of most clients wants this choice but on the other hand I think the lock on their CMS and platform they counter with the prices on long term. Anyway is just my personal thought but I want full control of anything I do or use ! .Great video , cya
Yeah the code lock is definitely a deal breaker for me
Webflow is overkill, Framer is slick AF
I ended up going all in on webflow, it's more fun for me 😁
Nice thnk u
but for those who do their own web agency which one is better to use? or prefer
I chose Webflow. More flexibility. Code export if need be.
Hi @Jansley How do i export the framer website to my own server?
You can’t. You’re locked in their ecosystem
What about a lack of naming systems in Framer? Isn’t that a problem for maintenance?
Thank you for info👍super
You’re welcome, glad you liked it!
The MOST REVEALING COMMENT : Webflow is more of DEVELOPMENT in DNA with HTML (content structure) on the LEFT side panel group and CSS (styling) on the RIGHT side panel group. ✅👍
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if you already work with html,css and JS then webFlow is straightforward and you just use it.. no learning curve at all really. Thats my experience ; if not then I can imagine it would be tough to adapt to the way it works.
In fact for me flow is a breath of fresh air.. because as a dev sometimes I get stuck with some quite frankly nasty horrible page builder in a WP site... and its nowhere near as straightforward as webFlow. The problem with framer is from the research I have done it seems unable to easily extract html,css and JS, whereas flow does. I would need that feature. if I can use the pagebuilder features rather than code , then I might be able work faster.. and if i can then extract that code, I can then integrate it anywhere and work with it. Design is my issue though.. I'm not one.
I came from the design world, so Webflow was definitely overwhelming. But it’s been a year since I started using it, and I now love it. I would never choose Framer over Webflow at this point
@@jansleyreal Its looking good. Just one thing I would like.. I would really like it if I could write raw html,css and JS and then for flow to be able to import that code and then allow me to switch to the builder ; I dont believe it works that way around.
Framer is good for designers, not for web designers. Framer has its place, but not a replacement for Webflow.
Oh I totally agree!
No. Framer is perfect for web designers because it is where the web designing world is heading. Moreover, Framer has an embedded React component where you can write any code to extend your website's functionality to something more complex.
Framer is the future of web design.
@@CarlosGomesCabral - If you don't mind, would you please answer this question for me.
I'm torn between Webflow, and Framer. It's not due of my ability to learn the platform with the steeper
learning curve, in as much as it's due to time restraints, and the prospective clients I wish to approach.
Seemingly, learning Framer, and then picking up some CSS/HTML skills along the way feels as if it might
best suit my needs. Am I crazy for thinking this way … is this approach even worth the time and effort ??
@@CarlosGomesCabralI know React so using Framer is a no brainer. I love being able to design things and animate it with React Motion. Then if I need more I just write custom React/Typescript components.
10:00 you CAN but it's something not everyone knows 😂 not even Framer themselves.
Is there a workaround? I imagine the code generated would be a mess haha
Can you tell us how please?
Framer prices are outrageous. This is an ad?
Not an ad