"Don't worry guys, it's just Alpha" "I'm sure that's just a Beta thing and it will get fixed soon!" "It's just pre-patch, I'm confident it won't matter when the expansion is released" "They will fix it in 8.1, don't worry!" "YOU ARE JUST HATING ON THE GAME, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, QUIT!" You know what, that's exactly what I'm doing!
Everything in BfA feels like it's been done by accounting ledgers rather than any sort of game designer. "Well we need new azerite traits, let's just make them all basically passive and autonomous until we have say 30 for each spec". "Well we promised this Island expedition mechanic, let's just use generic AI, generic enemies and a random event generator. Apply all variables to all islands so they all feel the same. "What about warfronts?" "Well, we have an AI that can use attack move, we can spawn, so just tie some objectives loosely together. We'll put them on a months rotation, that'll keep them fresh".
I kind of agree; but you're exaggerating a lot. The enemies in islands are not generic by any means, and for a game like wow they are pretty impressive.
I kinda feel like getting the required content done should be quick and then doing more is optional. We should want to do that additional content because the content itself is fun. The problem is that it feels like we need to be in the game grinding every day to get everything done. There aren't even any *interesting* rewards at the end. That's just to avoid falling behind.
I agree completely with the statement... WoD at least had a spot where you knew you were done for the day / week / whatever. I personally don't give a shit about helping baby turtles or healing Azeroth the 50th time or killing a random mini-boss, but Lord have mercy if you don't get those daily emissaries done, since there's shit reputation without them and you can't see the main story without reputation
@@Ben-vb2us Yep I paid the price in reputations not playing for a week and I still haven't caught up from it. People are hitting exalted and I'm just starting to hit revered. At no point do I ever feel like I should have to do every single world quest for rep. The system is so bad.
@@Ben-vb2us thats honestly something that has been dissapearing slowly since cata, an actual stopping point where you can honestly say "i completed something" In bfa i complete a 5 chain quest and get 20 gold.... and another quest
I remember when Blizzard pushed back every game's release date and waited until it was finished. The extra wait time was annoying, but was totally worth it once you finally got your hands on the new, polished game.
Agreed. At least when we got it, it was worth the wait. BfA has been an embarrassment and if some people of the dev team haven't been fired, they should be. Sadly, any attempt to highlight issues on the forums for example, gets the poster instantly flamed and usually results in thread locking. Blizzard blues post pathetic canned responses and the most insincere apologies, yet do nothing. There was a time when you reported an issue in-game, you would have a GM get in touch, go over it and let you know if it was being dealt with. Now if you submit a bug report or any issue, you never, ever get any indication they have even received it. If I treated my customers like this, I would - rightly so - not have them for long. Yes, it is nothing more than misguided loyalty/nostalgia that keeps people playing, even that has it's limits though.
But Mythic + Is just the same dungeon only the fact that you gotta either interrupt, stun or be more careful. Also mobs takes alot more to kill. Rather than adding something interesting like new boss mechanics. But nah, just stat increases to give you the illusion of something "fresh"
You hit the nail on the head man... WoW is no longer being developed to be fun and engaging. It's not the flagship game anymore, so it doesn't get the time or talent it used to. The best devs and programmers have all either moved to other projects or left the company entirely, only to be replaced by a B Team of people who seemingly have no idea what the game is even about, what made it special or fun for people to play. There is no drive at Blizzard anymore to make WoW fun and engaging, rather just to keep it as profitable as possible for as little money as possible. Trust me, I know how it works in the software industry. The flagship gets all the money and the other products get shat on. They get the apathetic devs and programmers who "just need to pay the bills". The bugs get filed, and then someone with one eye on the bug report and the other on the budget report ticks the "Defer to Z" checkbox meaning they have no intention of ever fixing it because "It will cost more to fix than the analysts project it will result in lost subs".... I walked away from that job into more than a year of unemployment because it is so soul destroying to be a part of. This kind of mentality works okay in a low competition, high training cost arena where a company will stick it out rather than spend the half a million dollars on retraining their entire company, but video games is a high competition, low entry level industry where a better option is literally just a click away, and the only thing keeping a lot of players around is a misguided sense of loyalty to friends they have spent potentially years playing with. Like, okay, we have world quests, none of them are fun, but there are enough terrible ones that when people get to do a fast memory game instead of a buggy, annoying "a turtle made it to the water" type, they *think* it's good, even though it's really just a not annoying, broken pile of garbage. I would so love to someone at Blizzard say "hey, what if we made a world quest that people are excited for? One that people post asking "when is the next time "super fun wq" is going to be up? It's been DAYS!" Look at the attention to detail that goes into making a game like overwatch enjoyable. It'll make you weep knowing that WoW used to get that kind of treatment from Blizzard.
And I'm right there with you, just say no to islands! I haven't done a single one this week, and only just barely got the weekly in last week on my 3 120s. I think I'll give it a miss entirely on my priest who will be hitting 120 later today or tomorrow.
As an Overwatch player I can tell you that Overwatch gets worse updates than wow. Literally the only thing that ever happen are like 2-3 heroes a year, 3-4 maps a year, and like 8 balancing patches based off Overwatch League. Which is a style of overwatch that is very different than matchmaking. The same sentiments in this video are all over the overwatch community.
They don't design it like they care anymore - no love, no desire for it to be as fun and awesome as possible (except art team) - it's literally all about what they can pump out for cash.
My group of RL friends have already abandoned the game. These guys are usually hopelessly addicted and play nonstop, even during content droughts. We've all been playing since vanilla together and have played every expac. It's bizarre for me to see things like "offline for 12 days" on my friends list three weeks into a new expac. Really disappointed, because I have nobody to play with now and I'll probably unsub too. Islands - FAIL Warfronts - FAIL Timegating - FAIL Titanforging - FAIL Personal Loot - FAIL Welfare Epics - FAIL Azerite Gear - FAIL Global CD - FAIL Buggy, incomplete release -- absolute fucking FAIL
Even in WoD and legion I felt like I wanted to play WoW and I would login just to try to find something to do even if there wasn't anything to do. Now I don't feel like logging in at all, Idk what changed but the game just feels daunting to play now
Because it's just a bunch of convoluted or boring chores now. I enjoyed leveling and getting the storyline. Now I've finished the area and it's just world quests and tiny pieces of azerite and boring profession items.
BfA feels like a microcosm of everything wrong with the game's development over the past decade which is why it's especially egregious when it comes to splitting the community. There's just so many problems that it's like being pecked to death by ducks especially if you were already on the fence about the game.
The1rust WoW community is dead, LETS CREATE A COMMUNITY INTERFACE TAB!! That’ll fix the community just like raid finder fixed the raiding scene -Actual Blizzard mentality.
I feel like they rush it out because they didn't want to lack behind legion content release and kept thinking they would just fix it later. Blizzard does have plenty of potential for wow to succeed if legion is anything to show how much they care and content they can put in.
Smaller player base, less cost investment by Blizzard Management. Management probably out-sourced (parts of) the dev work. Definitely a step down in professionalism from Blizzard, in either case.
I think it's showing Blizzard's lack of enthusiasm for WoW now. They have CoD to rake in the constant cash and microtransactions. Can't say the same for WoW, even with that 15$ sub. can get that much easier through Overwatch/Destiny/CoD.
Id prefer WoD to BfA as well. I dont care about Islands, I dont care about WQs, I dont care about the gear, I dont care about Warfronts, the only fun thing left is raid. But if i have to slog through all this boring shit in order to raid efficiently (i.e. AP farm) then no, i dont think ill be doing it much longer. Id rather have nothing to do and just raid (with tier sets and the much more interesting class design of WoD thrown in) than being forced to farm a bunch of tedious, boring shit alongside it.
I remember the downvotes (dislikes) you got on your beta videos... And For some reason WOW player base is alright with such a mediocre game coming from a AAA company.... IF shit like this happened to Overwatch or Hearthstone, people would be grilling those games DEVs, but when it comes to WOW people go easy on wow devs... and this is what happens.
No they wouldn't. Fanboism literally allows AAA devs to shit on their player base and not give a fuck. Most people are so utterly forgiving of their overlords they won't criticize the company no matter how much shit they shovel down their throat. I saw the writing on the wall and yet my friends who I linked preaches beta vids too about the problems were calling me the doomsayer. Now they're pissing and moaning about blatantly obvious bugs. 100% agree with Preach. Blizzard now is not the company that it once was. All the past glory they were once able to rely on is now gone. Treat them like any other company and see the epic levels of BS they're doing.
It's kinda sad. In fact, I think most people who play this game now only play it because of nostalgia and how it's been a part of their gaming life for so long. It's very rare to get newcomers to WoW now. The game is really dated and just not that great anymore. I think I may finally be done, except I may give Vanilla servers a try just for nostalgia sake, but I know that won't last more than 5-6 months for me.
As someone who doesn't do much in terms of levelling Alts, I'm just like, out of stuff to do. In Legion I felt like I was working towards the next patch or was working on upgrading my weapon, I always felt like I was moving forward. Now it's like... I guess I can keep going for Rep, but I don't want to just farm every quest every day so that's just something that's slowly going up without me thinking about it. I'm so done with Azerite armour I just equip whatever's highest item level, I'm so sick of simming myself just to see that my 30 ilvl higher drop is actually a downgrade because the trait is shit I'm just done paying attention to what gear I'm getting. I thought Blizz had said they wanted gear to be fun again, but it's so conveluted I just can't be assed to care, I'm not a Mythic raider and I know my class, I get by with whatever shit I have equipped. Island Expaditions are probably fun on PvP but I've capped the bar 3 weeks in a row and don't want to touch them again. I did the Warfront, it was cool, but I don't really think it's something I'm gonna be sitting there like, waiting for next month so I can get back into it. I've done it once, I'm good. I'd be pissed if I was Alliance, waiting 3 weeks for the big reveal just to find out you've got another 2-3 weeks to wait? That's 2 months of sub time you have to pay for on top of the Xpac price before you get a main piece of non-raid content, and it's not even that great. I've ran some Mythic dungeons, they're pretty good, but I like my WoW with more variety than just farming dungeons week in week out... So yea, once my sub expires in a couple weeks I'll probably sit the Xpac out until there's something worth returning for in a major patch. Which really sucks, because I was enjoying Legion and was so excited to see what the future held, and now it's like... WQs and dungeons on farm, hurray.
People doing MoS in Legion that many times were just super hardcore raiders, not exactly the "semi-hardcore" players were doing that, right now everything is incredibly fucking boring.
@@jamesweiss1746 yes they did. I know people who had 2000 + Mos runs after 3 months . We are talking about mythic raiders here. Why do you think they made changes to the amount of ap different dungeons were dropping ?
I'm in a mythic progression guild, (not super high end) but we are still pushing the higher end content. I know people at all levels of the game and nobody I've talked to enjoys the changes bliz has made. I want to know who the "silent" majority actually is.
Bfa was launched with class changes incomplete, the waterfronts are meaningless, the azerite gear is completely unbalanced, everything is time gated and takes little to no time to breeze through. For a player who logs on more than 2 times a week the content is very dry and the gameplay is stale without any meaningful changes predicted in the future. Having legitimate issues is not being on a bandwagon.
I'm really enjoying mythics and uldir. The world quests are an annoying grind but I've hit revered with every rep so nothing more I really need from them. I do my weekly island expedition requirement and I'm overall really enjoying this expansion. The story is just as good as Wrath so far, and if they make professions more important, iron out the bugs, and balance the classes a bit better I think it about ties Wrath for my favorite xpac.
As someone who has to go to school for 7 hours a day and I have gym stuff that goes for an hour then takes martial arts and still has HW and other interests I absolutely HATE that grind, if I had no life maybe I would, but that grind is just so dumb as well with the current gearing.
By far the buggiest expansion yet and god damn it gets so frustrating at times, it feels like they released the expansion months before it was actually ready. dungeons like tol dagor have given me tons of issues in mythic plus by packs of mobs somehow getting pulled from other rooms as well as bosses such as one from waycrest manor pulling crap from the courtyard. On top of that everything just feels slower and laggier, my game always has a slight freeze whenever I open up my professions and my game just feels slower loading up my characters whereas this has never once been an issue before. and i know for a fact that my computer can handle much more than wow. My biggest issue is the loot distribution though, its way too rng. we spent the first 3 weeks grinding out mythic dungeons only for everyone to easily get 340 gear from killing rares if there lucky enough. and the azerite traits make it even worse since now I need to collect extra gear to even viably play a different spec on my class. I honestly would rather have the legion legendary system over this (and i hated the legion legendaries) since this is so much worse in my opinion.
The best bits were the story and the world. They are kinda done, for the most part, as soon as you're capped. If I weren't being held hostage by WoW being the place my friends are, I would likely have stopped playing and gone back to single player games for another expansion.
I’m working to unlock a Alt race surely that’s not new launch content !!! Also as Alliance Kul Tiras is a boring Set of Chores by its Whiney citizens. Doing them again is getting too much I’m playing less and less half the time I’m standing at a FP watching television 🙁
Remember when all the WOW killer games came out like Rift, GW2, and SWTOR, and the wow community said the only thing that will kill WOW is WOW itself? Guess what? They're doing it!
On an up note, I’ve been able to use BFA as an example in my software development course for 4 weeks running. Actually, it makes me sad every time I bring it up.
Story: A+ (Amazing!) World Design: A+ (Amazing) World Quests: C (Okay. Nothing special) Dungeons: A (Pretty good!) Raid: B (First 3 bosses feel kinda flat but otherwise good) Island Expeditions: F (Boring. You try to trick yourself into doing them in the background to keep your hands occupied while talking to friends.) War Fronts: B (Needs more engagement for turn-ins and possibly an overlay to keep people involved with what their team are doing but otherwise promising) Gear & Associated Systems: F- (Literally so bad and unrewarding that, if Uldir didn't show promise, I'd probably cut back my WoW play to 1 day a week or less. It feels like you have to play at least twice as much as Legion for less than half the rewards.)
I have to agree overall with these assessments. Maybe Legion was giving out too much too quickly, but coming from that into a dry lakebed of gear is too rough.
I'd agree with most of this except I'd make gear maybe a D-. Azerite is bad, but other forms of gearing are much more streamlined with less hassle in determining upgrades.
Everyone keeps saying how good the story is, but I just felt, at least Horde side, it was very bland and predictable. Plus having to sift through Troll talk for 10-15 hours was pretty painful. Going from defeating the Burning Legion to this silly war makes no sense and feels very forced.The story is a C+ at best. Maybe a B if Alliance story is better than Horde, but that I don't know. The F- cracked me up though.
Yeah just another thing sitting in the trash pile that is this expansion. I had this somewhat mitigated by playing fury with us getting haste while enraged but we still have our main cooldowns still on the gcd and that will never feel good. Then playing anything else that doesn't have built in haste just feels even worse. It's like you have to stack that on every class to make it feel average to play. Bad times.
Depends on your class/spec but it also doesnt make sense to have 6 abilities macro'd together on 1 GCD or 0 GCD. Things that truly shouldnt be on a GCD like firemage "fireblast" are still off GCD because the rotation depends on it. I cant speak for all specs but I understand the general idea Blizz was trying. You need to be more specific than "omfg GCD changeS".
what ilvl are you anonymous? low level fury sucks as your haste percentage is very low. I'm at 345 myself and while I enjoy it, it feels way worse than previous fury iterations. I miss, for example, the colossus smash fury days.
I still remember sitting down and watching Blizzcon, with a huge smile after the announcement of Classic WoW. Then the announcement that the meaningless faction war was a thing, and immediately my thought was "Oh God, filler expansion incoming." My dread tapered off a bit when I saw the first trailers. Wow, Zandalar and Kul'Tiras look awesome! Allied Races? The sub races we heard about and asked for! Warfronts and Island Expeditions? Wow, what are those? Finally, a new battleground, and I fucking hate PvP! War Mode! Finally a fix to the folks who want to go to these realms that their friends are on but couldn't be arsed to world pvp. Then as Ion rambled on stage for what seemed like forever, there was a massive eyebrow raised. Why the hell is he being so vague? Surely I'm just being paranoid, right? Are Island Expeditions going to be some massive deal or just a boring slog? Why does Azerite Armor sound like an atrocious follow up to Artifact Weapons? How are the traits going to be gated? Warfronts don't even have a PvP option? I finished watching the BfA feeling massive amounts of dread that once I was done leveling and experiencing the zones, that there was going to be a huge problem as far as interesting content. At this point, if you don't PvP hardcore (and believe me, this expansion is probably the only way I would even have considered using something like War Mode to spice up my World Questing), this expansion is going to be a colossal failure for anyone who isn't suckered in by cosmetic shit like allied races. Even the warfront armor they showed off, that looked so unbelievably badass in concept, looks generic as fuck in-game. To this day, Blizzard is incapable of making a good-looking cloak. I disagree with your sentiment about the Allied Race being a carrot worth hyping for at this Blizzcon. Much as I'd love seeing the horde suddenly infested with these adorable little foxes, I think people have begun to realize the massive time sink these things are altogether. A time sink to unlock them. A time sink to level them if Heritage armor is your thing. They need to do something HUGELY bigger than that. Whether it's a massive overhaul of all of these expansion features that haven't worked, or just cutting the cord early like they did to WoD and start working on the next, meaningful expansion that isn't a fucking beta on retail release. Blizzcon is going to need to reveal Classic WoW for a release at Summer 2019 at the absolute latest, just to make up for the sheer radio silence we have had. I have never experienced Vanilla, and that at least has me curious enough to give it a shot. BfA though, has been a huge spike through my interest in WoW moving forward. Either change the foundations of this unfinished expansion or flip the table and start fresh (as I suspect they will do). It's well known that Legion was being focused on as early as Blackrock Foundry in WoD. That's where all of Blizzard's resources went to. That's how quickly they shifted gears and stopped putting resources into an expansion that they were creatively bankrupt for, much as they are with BfA. Are they already at work on 9.0? Not sure, but if BfA continues on this lukewarm stretch, I think it's a safe bet. I was willing to forgive WoD because Legion was so unbelievably good, and honestly it had another six months in the tank to polish BfA. BfA, even if the next expansion is Legion-levels of good, I doubt I can forgive. They have pulled this on us twice now. And it may be good advice moving forward to avoid the odd-numbered expansions. So far the seventh has been lukewarm. The fifth was completely abandoned. And the third, despite t11 and t12 (Heroic Ragnaros especially) being so damn good, is what started the descent of the game in the first place.
When I decided that I wasn't going to buy BFA, I was thinking that I might end up giving in towards the release date and buy it. I'm glad that I didn't in the end and I wasn't sure how I was going to feel this time round not playing the new WoW expansion at launch. So far, I can't say that I have any regrets. The game didn't interest me this time and the content doesn't look that appealing to me. I might play it after BlizzCon if they can interest me enough, but for now I'm more than happy with spending my money on other games at the moment and playing them instead :)
Same here. It's a first for me not to play at launch and I don't have any desire to play it. I used to be a top end raider but Since MoP started I usually play for a month at launch, do the first raid and then quit. All of the people I used to play with have also moved on over the years. I enjoy not having to schedule my time for raiding and can play other games. I just don't think it's worth the time anymore.
I've accumilated over 1 million gold since launch, thats more than 5 tokens on eu, so for me atleast the exp has paid for itself, and i actually enjoy everything except island expeditions
You tried Preacher. I took everything you said as a possible warning that this was how it was going to go down, and you were right. I get gear that's +15 ilvl from the dungeon gear I'm wearing, and not only do I have to wait 2 months to unlock the traits, but the traits suck anyways (stop in the middle of a boss fight to stand in a puddle, or stop in the middle of a boss fight to collect a ball). The dungeon gear I'm wearing now, despite having a lower ilvl, give me awesome stats that, when they have a "chance" (10% chance? 20% chance? No idea) to proc, they increase my DPS and I'm killing mobs easier than I was. Not to mention I have more rings unlocked. So what do I do? Do I equip the higher ilvl and gimp myself in order to join raids and pugs or do I keep myself at a lower ilvl but with better traits, stats, and DPS? It's come to the point now where I'm dreading getting a higher ilvl piece because it feels like I'm getting punished. I wish I could get gear BEFORE I level my neck each week, but sadly this is not the case. I just feel like I"m always going to be chasing after something that's never going to be obtainable, and then I get a higher ilvl item and suddenly I have to decide stats vs. stats., traits vs. traits, when those traits get unlocked, and if it's worth risking me getting a better piece to set the carrot back even further next week. I have too much Real Life problems to have to worry about all this. I also don't understand how the main feature and selling point of this expansion--- The Battle for Azeroth.....is something we can only do once a month. WTF? A blue post on the US realms replied that "after a few days, it would be the other faction's turn", but this is not the case as it takes 3 weeks. On top of that, many are concerned about the imbalance of Warmode now that the horde are able to do the warfront (which just opened on horde-side US realms 9/9) and are able to get 340 ilvl gear like cakewalk, then to add icing to the cake, mythic raids unlock this tuesday, which gives the horde a double-goodie. Why couldn't both sides have this event (seperate phases if need be) at the same time? Why couldn't this be a weekly event instead of once a month? Anyways, sorry for venting :/
Honestly I feel the lack of a level 115 (or 120, doesn't matter) talent point is also a pretty big tipping point. Some specs are missing really important things from Legion. Imagine if Windwalkers had Strike of the Windlord, The Emperor's Capacitor and Drinking Horn Cover as options for a level 120 talent. You'd still be losing something between Legion and BFA but at least you would get an option. Azerite traits completely failed at filling these gaps, unfortunately.
...And it would still work. 15 - 30 - 45 - 60 - 75 - 90 - 105 - 120. After level 80, there's just...nothing. Nothing to look forward to in your spellbook. All these levels really don't matter, they're just numbers now...and speaking of numbers, those are already spiraling out of control again. Tanks are already back to 200k HP THREE WEEKS INTO THE EXPANSION. Honestly, I'm afraid for the game's future, considering this massive power creep.
BfA is just not worth playing. The game isn’t ready for live, and even if it was, it’s poorly designed, boring or frustrating. The only way to show Blizzard that you refuse to accept this mediocrity is not give them your money.
Yeah nice save there. Fucking waste of dosh I tell you. I would rather play WoD or cata right now and those are the expansions I used to consider the worst. Small indie company indeed.
That´s exactly what I´m doing right now because I´m just sick and tired of this grinding shit. We were forced to grind AP in Legion (which was already bad enough) and I was so glad when I read that we´d lose the artifact weapons, but then I saw the neck and thought alright here we go again with the same crap. Problem is the required AP levels are way too high imo and you just need them in order to raid properly (or even be invited to a group in my case). So I gave up on that and started leveling alts instead. Worst system ever implemented in WoW...
Assuming they do away with the neck at the end of bfa, would it make sense for mythic dungeon azerite gear have different traits each season? They wouldn't really need more rings, they could leave trinkets and other gear as is, transmog is the same but this allows balancing each m+ season without diminishing future rewards and post bfa it'll just be a gear like the artifact weapon most likely.
Preach i did a normal Island expedition yesterday and for the first time ever i seen a portal. It ported me (and my group) to the MoP style treasure dungeons? we couldnt find a boss and we couldnt find the exit so we actually lost as we just ran around this place with nothing to do. this was for our weekly IE cap which we were actually going to skip as our necks are lvl 22 and 23 for the week required 38k (which is basically impossible to cover in a week anyways)
Not sure what you mean by the 'allied race wildcard' - should I be happy and forgive all the bugs because I'm finally getting content I paid for months ago just so I can do literally decades old content for weeks if I want one of the actually good looking armor sets that was added this xpac?
I was pretty excited for the expansion at first and I signed up for a 6 month sub thinking there was gonna be tons of stuff to do and it would only get better. This may be the first Xpac that I regret getting a sub that lasts that long. If Blizz is not willing to put out quality content its just a waste of money. It's pretty pathetic compared to what Blizzard can really do. If feel that they pulled out all the stops for Legion since WoD was a flop and now they seemed to have lagged behind again, arguably worse. Just force people to grind forever and waste time for little reward. Why do that when there are plenty of other games out there that take far less time and give a better experience (at least non MMO's)? Blizzard you need to get your heads out of your ass! Allied races aren't going to save your game, they may buy you a little time but if Allied races are the main course of this upcoming Blizzcon I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people just walk out, unsub, and give Blizz the middle finger for just trying to squeeze cash out of people.
I only went 3 months, but I feel you. I have honestly spent more time post-120 in old zones, doing old content. I am having much more fun soloing old raids for mounts/t-mog. It's like I have come to the realization that even though I bought BfA, I am enjoying it more playing like I don't have it if that makes sense.
I honestly feel WoD was better at this point in time (before the selfie cam/twitter patch bullshit) and I honestly feel disgusted defending WoD so give yourselves a pat on the back for that, Blizzard. -Better leveling/campaign in WoD -Ashran is sadly better than warfronts, Ashran feels more like PvP than an entire expansion that actually has a PvP element to it -New ideas good and bad in WoD but at least they put some thought into creating NEW THINGS (BFA literally just rehashed Legion except made all the ideas worse ICONIC WEAPONS WITH UNIQUE SKINS -> necklace you can't even fucking see) -WoD had a lot of shit cut from it, but the product we had (while there WERE some bugs) felt like a finished product. BFA feels like it's still in BETA, bugs fucking everywhere.
Mike, not only that what you said, they also managed to royally piss off the PvE alliance playerbase, mainly those raiders who were looking for Warfronts Azerite gear. if things were really bad, now its worse, more and more people will leave the game, or do as many servers are doing, guild doing massive faction and server transfer to horde. the more this continues to go on, there will be no reason even for doing dungeons or raiding. its the death of an entire faction community due to incompetence and ineptitude. i saw some friends of mine doing heroic Zul, and how how fucking easy it is with if you have lots of Blood elves using Arcane torrent during the entire fight.
Has there been any suspicion that Mythic+ or Raid drop % vary by player depending on how quickly said person has improved his/her gear recently or how many dungeons/raids he has run?
BFA is by far the worst expansion in every aspect aside from the opening raid (probably the first opening raid I've actually enjoyed). The worst part is the community is half the reason for it, people praised 'world quests' cause they were 'unique' when all they were was more annoying dailies and now they are becoming painfully aware of how bad they actually are. People praised 'artifacts' as a good progression system and now we have the heart of azeroth. People liked the titanforging system so now we have RNG in absolutely everything, they even lifted the cap on the 3rd week instead of on mythic launch like last time. The community is the reason for the garbage content and general expansion, high-end players warned them over and over and over but they didn't listen and now the casuals are crying about everything on reddit. The bugs are just obvious embarrassing levels of bad work on Blizzard's part. I think for the first time EVER I genuinely think this game is dying, because I think Blizzard just doesn't want to support it anymore.
This is a 300 IQ comment. Well said. It seems like Blizz is making systems for casuals to "give them something to do" when they could have been focused on better dungeons, raids, talents, classes, specs, racials, items, progression system...... but NO..... we need islands and WQ and rep grinds and pet battles and gold mounts and all this useless shit that is not ultimately rewarding.
I guess this is their strategy. Release a horrible expansion (WoD) then a Great one (Legion) then another horrible one (Beta for Azeroth) and then (Legion 2.0).
@@ArmageddonEvil Honestly, gold farming, allied races and raiding with my guild are the only things keeping me interested. Since I am a completionist and want to level a Mag'har orc
Don't think it'll be as bad as that, a lot of the content right now needs tweaking and to be fixed of its numerous bugs but at least a it's there. Wow just didn't have any content but garrisons
More likely, it has to do with stealing development time from one expansion and feeding it into the next. Time was stolen from WoD to make Legion amazing. Time is probably being stolen from BFA to make the next expansion amazing.
Hey Preach, first time commenting. Wondering if you could do a quick video on updating Weak Auras? I have your original just wondering where to go as to update it when you add things. Thanks a bunch for everything you and keep the content coming.
Haha yeah... totally agree with you on that front, but I do however agree with him on the azerite traits. It's really annoying that the best ones are just procs. As far as the other stuff? EH... hasn't really bothered me. Both Islands and Warfronts have potential to be fun, but definitely need some love.
I don't think anyone claimed early Legion was a good time in WoWs history. In fact, I think it's the single *worst* period in WoW history, even worse than this turd of a launch.
@@DarkFalz719 Nothing but hyperbole there. Exactly what content 'doesn't matter'? Does everyone already have HoA level 40 with AOTC and keystone master? All exalted reps?
M+ and raider here, expectation (rewarded for pushing keys, farm the rep for useful things, have all the rep be attainable, islands to be fun, engaging and worthwhile). Reality (gated at 5 keys hoping for TF's that have a lower chance this epax causing annoyance rather than progress for reward, Rep rewards being useless to farm passed a point, working towards the majority of the items being recipes for items that are already outdated and falling very far behind on the Turtle rep because there are only so many turtles you can save[make more than 3 mini games the pairs one is not bad as a repeatable quest, the turtles to water gets old so quickly and I am glad they hot fixed the maze to be faster], having to grind 20 straight hours of islands(apparently the most efficient/only repeatable method) for my next AP level. As Preach said the raid is fun and will hold people over for awhile and unlocking gear to M+ up to 10 will be nice next week so people will move their bench mark higher but what a kick in the gut when on Tuesday Alliance get a quest for a 370 warfront cache know they are probably going to have to wait 3-4 weeks to hand it in. Respect to 2 different groups who have already timed a 15 this week showing that its not a hard week for keys and proving the content is probably not tuned correctly, give it a few resets and people will be pushing 20's real soon. Shout out to the penguin WQ when its not bugged, super fun for the first few times you do it.
Kinda unrelated but maaaan what did they do to ret ;-; i resubbed for the first time since early legion (mainly wod tho) and ret feels so slow. The time i spend looking at cds is atrocious.
my war front reward was ilvl 370, which it showed before joining, so it wasn't a random boost. So they buffed it already? Edit : i also did get a 340 in the scenario for the winning, the 370 was for completing it. I guess there is a difference?
Not sure if you're aware of this since you don't tend to mention economics in your videos, but a little tidbit I can share with you since BfA was that before the expansions launch wow tokens were about 300k each, a typical price that close to an expansion launch. When i checked yesterday (9/9/2018 if anyone wants to be specific) it had dropped to 170k. I don't recall it ever dropping to that price in the entirety of legion, even during the content drought. It seems people are abandoning BfA in droves.
That might not be lack of demand for tokens so much as a high demand for gold (and therefor high supply of tokens). With flasks, and food, and enchants costing crazy amounts, many people may be trying to buy gold through tokens. Or both higher supply and lower demand.
The amount of gold sink in BFA is pretty intense, and the Mission Table doesn't give much gold anymore. The fact that wow token price is decreasing, that mean people are BUYING wow token with REAL LIFE money. With how fast the price is decreasing, that mean a lot of people are buying wow token with RL money. While people are not buying WoW Token with gold because they needed the gold for gold sink in the game.
Actually the gold sink in BfA is pretty terrible, at best you could say it's front loaded. Remember, crafted items are either about 300 ilvl or are BoP. These used to contribute a massive amount of gold sink to an expansion and it's stripped away in BfA. Beyond that, what are the gold sinks? Some pets nobody bothers with and the significant one is a 5 million gold mount, that at the moment only the wealthy would bother to buy (even at the height of the wow tokens price it would easily take over £200 to buy with real money, and you're looking at almost twice that much now). Beyond that, you've got a new destiny announcement and that used to crank up the wow token price since you could use them to pay for it, the fact it seems to have so little impact either means destiny 2 is failing hard or BfA is failing so much harder that you can't even tell. But it's also worth mentioning that since we've had a fresh batch of quests that reward gold we have had a massive influx of gold into the most casual parts of the community. As for raider groups, perhaps they are spending gold on stuff but I wouldn't be surprised if most of the time they just don't bother. After all, with the price of flasks being what they are is there any reason to not just go as far as you can without them and only use them when they become necessary? I suspect most mythic raiding guilds are capable of clearing normal without them, but perhaps maybe the end of heroic brings it out for them?
As someone that does not like M+ and my guild has passed me over for raid invites for the first 2 raids I am already done with this expansion. I stopped doing WQs after the first week and warfronts/islands are boring to me. My sub ends in 2 days and im not sure ill find a reason to start it up again.
@@giffeswe We usually get multichests dumbshit. The rng of it is so bad that as I stated that I got only two items with that many m+ runs. Think before you type. Kids these days...
@@FiZc if u play a +2 and beat the timers u get 4 items split between ur party and key goes to +5, then you 2 chest the +5 for 3 more items, that's 7 items divided by 5 for about 1 hour of playing, see why this dude is a liar? You downgrade key (takes 2-3 min) down to +2 and repeat, Do this for 10 hours and you have 70 items split by 5 players, 2 days of playing for 5 hours each is ATLEAST 10 items each, with 20 more items not accounted for due to who is lucky and unlucky.
I know what you mean about just wanting to let things tick away. After facing the reality that my raiding guild recruited too many people and they I am stuck on a sucky team due to my class, I am just logging onto my main for emissary rewards and mission table. I am not even bothering with expedition and ap grinding because the catch up mechanic basically encourages me to just wait.
should i wait till 8.1 to do BFA? the reason why i ask is because 1 was wondering if i should wait till 8.1 and see if they fix things adn while i wait ill find a toon to make it my main because so far i cant seem to decide on what to class to play at the moment :/
I'm telling you. They are focused and shaping the game more and more toward consoles. And are selling out their usual quality to get things out. I've never seen this many bugs. To me it seems like They are focused on something else b
Brad Mills How is a boring Azerite system, boring class design, boring IEs and boring once a month Warfronts shaping the game towards consoles? How is striping all the fun out of the game going to make it more attractive to a console audience?
They've dumbed everything down. Completely. The gcd change and the refusal to change back. The way the new menus work. The fact that things aren't fun has a lot to do with stretching things out and dumbing things way down. Along with taking focus away from raids which only a small percentage really do. All this looks like effects of things they are dumbing down and stretching out to POSSIBLY slowly make things more conducive to console. IMO that's all I'm saying. To me the effects now seem to have a hidden cause. Blizz has never been this weird for lack of a better word.
Brad Mills I completely understand this, but I just don’t see how they possibly think releasing this game on console would sell ANY copies. 14 year old kids don’t want to play WoW, they wanna play the new call of duty. It would be the biggest flop of all time. It’s not their market and they know that, or you would think they do.
Enjoyed the video and the comments as well. Really nice to not see talk like, "If you're not enjoying it then just don't play it" which is what plagues the forums if anything negative about the expansion is brought up.
Legion only really suffered from 4 major things IMO: Absurd RNG on loot, iffy class design, the AP grind and Patch 7.2 (AKA the "Shit we don't actually have a whole lot of content for you guys so we're just gonna artificially drag it out to last a month, please stay subscribed to us" patch). The rest of it was great. BFA is like they took all the bad parts of Legion and put them front and centre, removing or completely half-arsing the good parts of Legion.
I can agree on the AP grind, that shit was a pain until they fixed it with the increased shit. RNG looting is ALWAYS absurb. But remember, mythic+ was introduced which helped it a lot. Probably one of the best things yet they ever made. BFA is basically like Draenor, a filler expansion which probably will lead into an expansion where it will be 10 times better.
"BFA is basically like Draenor, a filler expansion which probably will lead into an expansion where it will be 10 times better." This.. Every other expansion is utter dogshit, so the next expansion looks good even though it is quite mediocre (like Legion). Yes, Legion did implement lots of good stuff, but the way you play the game is similar to BFA imo. Timegated shit that if you don't do it you'll fall behind. Crazy RNG on practically every scenario you can get loot from (Legendaries ontop of that). Artifact system.. Oh dear...
8.1 Needs to be huge at this point, otherwise it's starting to look just a tad-bit better than WOD and not the successor of Legion. Side note: what if you could turn azerite armor into dust to upgrade the item lvl of the azerite armor you want? just a thought.
Im sorry Mike but you've done it again. You (and the apologists) skip over the biggest reason Blizzard has made all these screw ups. The main reason why Ive gone to another RPG since this probably is the future of World of Warcraft unless this foundational problem is fixed. Blizzard Entertainment no longer exists. Its BLIZZARD - ACTIVISION now. This is not something that's going to change. They are too large to care any longer about the opinions of the pleb players that fund their projects. Instead the "Fiduciary Responsibility to their shareholders" that they have under US Law is and will forever be their primary concern. They have become (as we say in the US) "too big to fail/screw up". To be clear I have no personal evidence that this is what is happening in their development offices. This is my personal, cynical citizen, opinion. But.. c'mon.
Bingo. The big UA-cam WoW celebs never cover this, I'm guessing they are reluctant to gnaw on the hand that feeds, or maybe just less cynical than some of us. I personally think that WoW has more or less shielded itself from Activision's greater pay-to-win ambitions, but the Activision influence is quite clear. Will be interesting to see how WoW Classic ultimately plays out, both in terms of user interest (would high interest drive future WoW products towards a more classic experience?) and in whether or not Activision slaps some sort of microtransaction model onto it.
I agree with all of you, but I hate the massive amount of willfully ignorant, uninformed, and just dense players who pay for something that's not worth it. Just fucking stop buying...
War fronts for Alliance have been amazing so far. Week one we watched a bar get progressively longer, now in week 2 we are watching a bar get progressively shorter. 10/10 best game feature ever.
I've played since 2005 and I'm done with WoW for good, over all the shit. When you see forced CRZ for warmode off shards in CURRENT content you know the game is in a pretty bad shape and the sub numbers are very low. Blizzard just looks at us as $$$ signs, they couldn't give two shits about what you think, they only care about their shareholders and how much time you spend in game due to how Blizzard reports MAU to the shareholders. This company is a joke, and joining with Activision was the biggest mistake in Blizzard history. Asstivision kills anything they touch.
I've been watching your shows and content for many years and know how much you love the game. You also are highly logical in your critiques so I know when you say something is bad it is going to be rough. I went through alpha as well and was hopeful they would fix things but felt everything was very behind compared to other alphas and betas I've participated in so I was very concerned as well.
One set of bugs in particular is that some Azerite trait effects stick with you even after you switched a different set. Which is especially grating if they have an annoying visual effect that just doesn't seem to vanish even if you stood completely naked. I had to commit suicide by dismount in the air on my Paladin in Stormwind in order to get finally rid of the Self Reliance trait.
I stopped grinding world quests a while ago. I do enough for the emissary and go on about whatever else I need to do and I never bothered grinding the AP because I know if I did I would end up burning myself out like I did Legion. Is it a bad expansion, no. Is it a mediocre expansion, yes
As a father of a 1 year old with a full time job, I agree with you. There is too much to do every week to keep up with the rest of my raid. It is demoralizing. It is one thing if I show up to the raid and make sure I farm the mats I need. Now I need to do Islands, Mythic+ (I like), World questions and war fronts to stay relevant. I can't do it. I want to play my alts too but feel like there is no point since I won't be able to level my AP anyways. I miss having 4 raid appropriate toons with limited time.
I'm sick of all the RNG that runs the entire game. If it doesn't get better over the coming months, I'll be forced to order the newest Xbox and go back to console gaming in 4K.
Like, im not a big AP farmer, and i have gear that i dont even have a single trait on... (neck is lvl 16) Btw @preach can you link us you WA's? or are those for your guild only?
I just want the old conquest vendor where I choose what piece of gear I want, I loved the fact I was working towards something I was looking forward to.
Just CAVED (that says more than any post i could right could since i've been subbed since 05 and would buy every collectors edition the day of launch) yesterday and got BFA to play with some friends (despite my feelings toward the expac from the beta access i was given). Out of some twisted self hate we decided to satisfy our curiosity and check to see how the progress on the bugs we had found went. (as well as im sure plenty of others reported since we didn't look to terribly hard). SUPRISE! I got to find out the hard way that the escape stormwind scenario is STILL nice and bugged at the end if you dont kill the bridge bros before the jaina cut-scene... NEATO great way to start an expansion! Good to know our beta tickets and bug reports go right into the old recycle bin! It's not even a hard fix, just set the cut-scene to trigger off the NPC proximity not the player so the player won't start it before the NPCs are close enough... Thanks bliz ill look for the cheque in the mail. Not sure how i can help with the missing water textures on some rivers in zuldazar (sp) that have been that way since "alpha".
Lucky for you I guess, if you trigger the cutscene with jaina at the end before killing every add on the bridge or waiting for the NPCs to RP walk to her you are stuck there until you abandon the quest. Wave after wave of adds keep spawning and the NPCs wont get on the boat. seems like a pretty major bug considering it is preventing you from starting the entire expansion. Its not so much that the bug is going to cause me to rage quit, just that this seems to be one of MANY little bugs that have been reported since the first day we could and are still there on launch. That can be said about every expansion im sure, just one more thing for me to go "meh" about next time i have the beta access sitting in my email.
In all honesty I'm not seeing what all the fuss is about. Every expansion has had its fair share of problems. I'm enjoying my time running dungeons and raiding with friends. Are there problems? Sure. There always are. Am I bothered by the dreaded RNG as others are complaining about? Well, if I didn't like RNG I surely would not be playing an MMO. I'm sure whatever needs addressing will be addressed in some way. Will it be soon? Who knows? The current Azerite system doesn't really bother me, though.
If you need higher Heart of Azeroth power to unlock Azerite traits as your ilvl increases, wouldnt that mean you also have to grind much less AP if you got lucky with loot early from things like world bosses, the warfront chest, or titanforges whilst you were still relatively low ilvl over all. If that's the case isn't that also going against the "anti-RNG" measures blizz is taking by making the consequences of RNG a lot more impactful.
HC is still pretty casual(ish), it's been that way in legion too. Pugs are clearing normal already, and I've heard a few got 3 or 4 bosses down in heroic already.. which is pretty crazy to think about given the history of the game.
I feel you but Preach is warning you about the future. The game has been out for a month and you're 347? That's higher than the rewards from warfronts. You're not going to enjoy doing the same content over and over until we get the next "broken shore" or "argus" patch. He's saying the leveling is good but the end game and everything Blizzard demo'd last year at BlizzConn has been an absolute wash
Tim Nes some comments have already pointed this out but as he said in the video if you are not raiding or pvping what is there for you to do ? Personally If I was not raiding and doing mythic plus I would have skipped bfa, I can't be bothered with islands and allready got everything out of world quests that I needed so the only content for me really left to enjoy is raising and the casual pvp. He's worried for the player who are not like us and won't have content to look forward to or have rewards worthy of the time spent.
Can someone help Hi, I just killed G'huun on Normal and im a little confused , do raid bosses normally drop ilvl 266 green ? Because all i got was a green mail item. I have a ticket open but this seems like a real slap in the face when i kill last boss of new raid and a trash mob green drops for me. Could this be a bug ? Plz help my Rnjesus has deserted me and i really need a drop.
I have a feeling that a lot of this crap has to do with Blizzard pandering to the wrong audience. As in, the political crowd, not the gaming one. That and shareholders, obviously.
Lol how does like... having boring islands, or boring warfronts, pander to the political crowd? Literally what the shit are you talking about? That's not pandering to a political crowd it's just a game being boring because they rushed it
I'm not referring to the features, I'm speaking of the storytelling and Blizzard's hiring practices which in turn likely contributed to the lackluster product we got.
I really am not a fan of the Azerite system. It just feels terrible to get an (ilvl) upgrade and have it not *feel* like an upgrade because you have to sacrifice 1-2 (god forbid 3) traits because your necklace level isn't high enough. Why? What's the point? Would also be nice if gear could hold traits between specs, so I don't need to have 3 different sets (heal/tank/dps). I dunno, just feels like a mess to me.
My group belong to the silent majority. We are loving the content we are doing. I hope things you don't like get changed so that you and yours enjoy yourselves too.
It's not simply about enjoying the content. I am enjoying the game too, but there is no denying that bugs and class balance problems that were reported months before release were mostly left untouched. That is inexcusable.
Honestly haven’t experienced any bugs, there are some class balances but other than that.... I’m with you bro I’m really liking everything in this expac
hans maier Mythic +, Arenas, doing my world quest to farm rep, especially 7th legion since it unlocks dark iron. I also partake in world PvP, get into huge battles, help others get the horde slayer title, doing that one weekly quest in stormsong, it’s so mysterious I wonder what it’ll end as... I’m also helping my friends gear, we sometimes go on mog runs (even tho it’s not part of bfa, the new level cap allows us to get the mythic mogs from last expac) farming for mounts, constantly trying to improve my tanking as a warrior in mythic+ and raiding with the new gcd changes. Need I say more?
hans maier like I said in another comment, maybe I’m not as hardcore as other players but I’m having a blast with the content. Perhaps because I’m not burning myself out as fast as possible. I forgot to mention, I like doing the PvP version of island expeditions, especially with my rl friends
By this point in Legion, we already knew Karazhan was coming out, in BfA, we have no idea what is coming next or how radical the changes are going to be to address the issues in this expansion.
I Enjoy the aesthetics of warfronts, The buffs you can buy and extra mobs and and the general combat is quite fun, but they need special achievements (maybe a mount attached to it) and allow full raid groups to queue together. That would fix it. The Island expeditions just need special hidden items, secrete loot, real treasure, or at least give you the AP you found, It feels like work, making money for the man, and only get a slice for yourself.
Preach i hope you see this, because personally it's been a point of frustration for me. Stealth buffing and stealth nerfing azerite traits. Suddenly my Sudden Onset did 4 times the dmg and made affli viable and even desired for high m+, so then i had to go out of my way to aquire these pieces. And not to mention that my Overwhelming Power trait used to be mediocre, and suddenly it was bis and i just happened to have 3 of them.
I love how even though they had the m+ titanforge issue (which they fixed afaik,) they said in yesterday's hotfix bluepost that they had fixed a bug where offhands were titanforging and they shouldn't be, but that they wouldn't remove those items from the game. I don't begrudge my raid leader the 395 off-hand he pulled in a +5, it helps my raid team, but I really look forward to when Blizz announces the BfA alpha because this shit is friends and family early access.
IDK I'm really enjoying open beta. BFA will shape up to a good xpack once its fully released.
I'm glad it's only in beta. Can you imagine how bad those Island Invasions would be and the Azerite gear would be if they went into live now?
Wouldn't open Beta imply it was free? Guess its more of a pre-order exclusive beta right now. :P
This guy. This guy right here.
Ptr - paid test realm!
Paid beta, not open.
"Don't worry guys, it's just Alpha"
"I'm sure that's just a Beta thing and it will get fixed soon!"
"It's just pre-patch, I'm confident it won't matter when the expansion is released"
"They will fix it in 8.1, don't worry!"
"YOU ARE JUST HATING ON THE GAME, IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, QUIT!"
You know what, that's exactly what I'm doing!
Everything in BfA feels like it's been done by accounting ledgers rather than any sort of game designer. "Well we need new azerite traits, let's just make them all basically passive and autonomous until we have say 30 for each spec". "Well we promised this Island expedition mechanic, let's just use generic AI, generic enemies and a random event generator. Apply all variables to all islands so they all feel the same. "What about warfronts?" "Well, we have an AI that can use attack move, we can spawn, so just tie some objectives loosely together. We'll put them on a months rotation, that'll keep them fresh".
I kind of agree; but you're exaggerating a lot. The enemies in islands are not generic by any means, and for a game like wow they are pretty impressive.
"WoD is better because I could sort everything out in my garrison and not bother with it"
Dayuuum
One of my favorite statements he made in this video because I agree 100%.
I kinda feel like getting the required content done should be quick and then doing more is optional. We should want to do that additional content because the content itself is fun. The problem is that it feels like we need to be in the game grinding every day to get everything done. There aren't even any *interesting* rewards at the end. That's just to avoid falling behind.
I agree completely with the statement... WoD at least had a spot where you knew you were done for the day / week / whatever. I personally don't give a shit about helping baby turtles or healing Azeroth the 50th time or killing a random mini-boss, but Lord have mercy if you don't get those daily emissaries done, since there's shit reputation without them and you can't see the main story without reputation
@@Ben-vb2us Yep I paid the price in reputations not playing for a week and I still haven't caught up from it. People are hitting exalted and I'm just starting to hit revered. At no point do I ever feel like I should have to do every single world quest for rep. The system is so bad.
@@Ben-vb2us thats honestly something that has been dissapearing slowly since cata, an actual stopping point where you can honestly say "i completed something"
In bfa i complete a 5 chain quest and get 20 gold.... and another quest
I remember when Blizzard pushed back every game's release date and waited until it was finished. The extra wait time was annoying, but was totally worth it once you finally got your hands on the new, polished game.
Agreed. At least when we got it, it was worth the wait. BfA has been an embarrassment and if some people of the dev team haven't been fired, they should be. Sadly, any attempt to highlight issues on the forums for example, gets the poster instantly flamed and usually results in thread locking. Blizzard blues post pathetic canned responses and the most insincere apologies, yet do nothing. There was a time when you reported an issue in-game, you would have a GM get in touch, go over it and let you know if it was being dealt with. Now if you submit a bug report or any issue, you never, ever get any indication they have even received it. If I treated my customers like this, I would - rightly so - not have them for long. Yes, it is nothing more than misguided loyalty/nostalgia that keeps people playing, even that has it's limits though.
I don't see how people can defend BFA at all. I really don't.
I didn't pay $60 plus a sub fee to grind air.
Right?????
Yeah it is baffling.
facts
If i wasnt raiding/m+ing with friends I wouldn't be playing either.
But Mythic + Is just the same dungeon only the fact that you gotta either interrupt, stun or be more careful. Also mobs takes alot more to kill. Rather than adding something interesting like new boss mechanics. But nah, just stat increases to give you the illusion of something "fresh"
You hit the nail on the head man... WoW is no longer being developed to be fun and engaging. It's not the flagship game anymore, so it doesn't get the time or talent it used to. The best devs and programmers have all either moved to other projects or left the company entirely, only to be replaced by a B Team of people who seemingly have no idea what the game is even about, what made it special or fun for people to play. There is no drive at Blizzard anymore to make WoW fun and engaging, rather just to keep it as profitable as possible for as little money as possible.
Trust me, I know how it works in the software industry. The flagship gets all the money and the other products get shat on. They get the apathetic devs and programmers who "just need to pay the bills". The bugs get filed, and then someone with one eye on the bug report and the other on the budget report ticks the "Defer to Z" checkbox meaning they have no intention of ever fixing it because "It will cost more to fix than the analysts project it will result in lost subs".... I walked away from that job into more than a year of unemployment because it is so soul destroying to be a part of.
This kind of mentality works okay in a low competition, high training cost arena where a company will stick it out rather than spend the half a million dollars on retraining their entire company, but video games is a high competition, low entry level industry where a better option is literally just a click away, and the only thing keeping a lot of players around is a misguided sense of loyalty to friends they have spent potentially years playing with.
Like, okay, we have world quests, none of them are fun, but there are enough terrible ones that when people get to do a fast memory game instead of a buggy, annoying "a turtle made it to the water" type, they *think* it's good, even though it's really just a not annoying, broken pile of garbage. I would so love to someone at Blizzard say "hey, what if we made a world quest that people are excited for? One that people post asking "when is the next time "super fun wq" is going to be up? It's been DAYS!"
Look at the attention to detail that goes into making a game like overwatch enjoyable. It'll make you weep knowing that WoW used to get that kind of treatment from Blizzard.
And I'm right there with you, just say no to islands! I haven't done a single one this week, and only just barely got the weekly in last week on my 3 120s. I think I'll give it a miss entirely on my priest who will be hitting 120 later today or tomorrow.
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As an Overwatch player I can tell you that Overwatch gets worse updates than wow. Literally the only thing that ever happen are like 2-3 heroes a year, 3-4 maps a year, and like 8 balancing patches based off Overwatch League. Which is a style of overwatch that is very different than matchmaking. The same sentiments in this video are all over the overwatch community.
They don't design it like they care anymore - no love, no desire for it to be as fun and awesome as possible (except art team) - it's literally all about what they can pump out for cash.
Great post.
Man, I really miss the Kirin Tor WQs tbh :D Flying/Jumping around in the air was way more fun than all the current WQs combined.
My group of RL friends have already abandoned the game. These guys are usually hopelessly addicted and play nonstop, even during content droughts. We've all been playing since vanilla together and have played every expac. It's bizarre for me to see things like "offline for 12 days" on my friends list three weeks into a new expac. Really disappointed, because I have nobody to play with now and I'll probably unsub too.
Islands - FAIL
Warfronts - FAIL
Timegating - FAIL
Titanforging - FAIL
Personal Loot - FAIL
Welfare Epics - FAIL
Azerite Gear - FAIL
Global CD - FAIL
Buggy, incomplete release -- absolute fucking FAIL
entitled millennial It’s comments like this that make me wish I could “like” it repeatedly.
This all the fucking way.
Even in WoD and legion I felt like I wanted to play WoW and I would login just to try to find something to do even if there wasn't anything to do. Now I don't feel like logging in at all, Idk what changed but the game just feels daunting to play now
Because it's just a bunch of convoluted or boring chores now. I enjoyed leveling and getting the storyline. Now I've finished the area and it's just world quests and tiny pieces of azerite and boring profession items.
Rare Lantern pp
BfA feels like a microcosm of everything wrong with the game's development over the past decade which is why it's especially egregious when it comes to splitting the community. There's just so many problems that it's like being pecked to death by ducks especially if you were already on the fence about the game.
The1rust WoW community is dead, LETS CREATE A COMMUNITY INTERFACE TAB!! That’ll fix the community just like raid finder fixed the raiding scene -Actual Blizzard mentality.
Nibbled to death by cats.
Honestly, this has been the LAZIEST execution of an expansion I have witnessed. It is truly sad to see how far the blizzard dev team has fallen.
I feel like they rush it out because they didn't want to lack behind legion content release and kept thinking they would just fix it later. Blizzard does have plenty of potential for wow to succeed if legion is anything to show how much they care and content they can put in.
Smaller player base, less cost investment by Blizzard Management. Management probably out-sourced (parts of) the dev work. Definitely a step down in professionalism from Blizzard, in either case.
put down that tin-foil hat
I think it's showing Blizzard's lack of enthusiasm for WoW now.
They have CoD to rake in the constant cash and microtransactions.
Can't say the same for WoW, even with that 15$ sub. can get that much easier through Overwatch/Destiny/CoD.
Hmmm WoD ways hi....
Id prefer WoD to BfA as well. I dont care about Islands, I dont care about WQs, I dont care about the gear, I dont care about Warfronts, the only fun thing left is raid. But if i have to slog through all this boring shit in order to raid efficiently (i.e. AP farm) then no, i dont think ill be doing it much longer.
Id rather have nothing to do and just raid (with tier sets and the much more interesting class design of WoD thrown in) than being forced to farm a bunch of tedious, boring shit alongside it.
This.... yep. This.
well said, I'm surprised more people don't say this.
I've been waiting for this video. I agree with EVERY SINGLE THING you've stated in this video. Spot on sir.
Fade do yourself a favor and look at heelvsbabyface’s video on this topic today. It’s even better!
I think he was still being very generous in his criticisms in some areas.
I remember the downvotes (dislikes) you got on your beta videos...
And For some reason WOW player base is alright with such a mediocre game coming from a AAA company....
IF shit like this happened to Overwatch or Hearthstone, people would be grilling those games DEVs, but when it comes to WOW people go easy on wow devs... and this is what happens.
No they wouldn't. Fanboism literally allows AAA devs to shit on their player base and not give a fuck. Most people are so utterly forgiving of their overlords they won't criticize the company no matter how much shit they shovel down their throat. I saw the writing on the wall and yet my friends who I linked preaches beta vids too about the problems were calling me the doomsayer. Now they're pissing and moaning about blatantly obvious bugs.
100% agree with Preach. Blizzard now is not the company that it once was. All the past glory they were once able to rely on is now gone. Treat them like any other company and see the epic levels of BS they're doing.
It's kinda sad. In fact, I think most people who play this game now only play it because of nostalgia and how it's been a part of their gaming life for so long. It's very rare to get newcomers to WoW now. The game is really dated and just not that great anymore. I think I may finally be done, except I may give Vanilla servers a try just for nostalgia sake, but I know that won't last more than 5-6 months for me.
Go to the forums. People are not happy
That's because every AAA game is a piece of trash mate
The bugs in WoW are hilarious, 10 year old content has hilarious bugs in it.
As someone who doesn't do much in terms of levelling Alts, I'm just like, out of stuff to do. In Legion I felt like I was working towards the next patch or was working on upgrading my weapon, I always felt like I was moving forward. Now it's like... I guess I can keep going for Rep, but I don't want to just farm every quest every day so that's just something that's slowly going up without me thinking about it.
I'm so done with Azerite armour I just equip whatever's highest item level, I'm so sick of simming myself just to see that my 30 ilvl higher drop is actually a downgrade because the trait is shit I'm just done paying attention to what gear I'm getting. I thought Blizz had said they wanted gear to be fun again, but it's so conveluted I just can't be assed to care, I'm not a Mythic raider and I know my class, I get by with whatever shit I have equipped.
Island Expaditions are probably fun on PvP but I've capped the bar 3 weeks in a row and don't want to touch them again. I did the Warfront, it was cool, but I don't really think it's something I'm gonna be sitting there like, waiting for next month so I can get back into it. I've done it once, I'm good. I'd be pissed if I was Alliance, waiting 3 weeks for the big reveal just to find out you've got another 2-3 weeks to wait? That's 2 months of sub time you have to pay for on top of the Xpac price before you get a main piece of non-raid content, and it's not even that great. I've ran some Mythic dungeons, they're pretty good, but I like my WoW with more variety than just farming dungeons week in week out...
So yea, once my sub expires in a couple weeks I'll probably sit the Xpac out until there's something worth returning for in a major patch. Which really sucks, because I was enjoying Legion and was so excited to see what the future held, and now it's like... WQs and dungeons on farm, hurray.
are you gonna honestly say that when you were runing MoS for 500 times / all day long for ap you had "content" to do ? like come on.
@@kamuimac I actually didn't do much M+ in Legion
People doing MoS in Legion that many times were just super hardcore raiders, not exactly the "semi-hardcore" players were doing that, right now everything is incredibly fucking boring.
@@kamuimac nobody did that unless you're crazy. There was no reason to logistically do that if AP didn't matter.
@@jamesweiss1746 yes they did. I know people who had 2000 + Mos runs after 3 months . We are talking about mythic raiders here. Why do you think they made changes to the amount of ap different dungeons were dropping ?
I'm in a mythic progression guild, (not super high end) but we are still pushing the higher end content. I know people at all levels of the game and nobody I've talked to enjoys the changes bliz has made. I want to know who the "silent" majority actually is.
I’m the silent majority... or minority, in what ever you want to call it. I’m loving the game and having a blast with my guild and my RL friends
Voli
"I have a different opinion, therefore YOU'RE on a bandwagon"
@Voli
What exactly do you enjoy about this bland content with zero depth?
Bfa was launched with class changes incomplete, the waterfronts are meaningless, the azerite gear is completely unbalanced, everything is time gated and takes little to no time to breeze through. For a player who logs on more than 2 times a week the content is very dry and the gameplay is stale without any meaningful changes predicted in the future. Having legitimate issues is not being on a bandwagon.
I'm really enjoying mythics and uldir. The world quests are an annoying grind but I've hit revered with every rep so nothing more I really need from them. I do my weekly island expedition requirement and I'm overall really enjoying this expansion. The story is just as good as Wrath so far, and if they make professions more important, iron out the bugs, and balance the classes a bit better I think it about ties Wrath for my favorite xpac.
Azerite armor trait system sucks. change my mind.
If only the items wouldn't take up so much bag space, that's it.
Nah the items and azerite system is just straight up terrible.
I just love grinding AP for a third xpansion , but this time I'm doing it for flat dmg increases its so exciting
As someone who has to go to school for 7 hours a day and I have gym stuff that goes for an hour then takes martial arts and still has HW and other interests I absolutely HATE that grind, if I had no life maybe I would, but that grind is just so dumb as well with the current gearing.
Really blows getting an Ilvl boost with the trait you want and the losing a tier you unlocked your get the int increase.
By far the buggiest expansion yet and god damn it gets so frustrating at times, it feels like they released the expansion months before it was actually ready. dungeons like tol dagor have given me tons of issues in mythic plus by packs of mobs somehow getting pulled from other rooms as well as bosses such as one from waycrest manor pulling crap from the courtyard. On top of that everything just feels slower and laggier, my game always has a slight freeze whenever I open up my professions and my game just feels slower loading up my characters whereas this has never once been an issue before. and i know for a fact that my computer can handle much more than wow. My biggest issue is the loot distribution though, its way too rng. we spent the first 3 weeks grinding out mythic dungeons only for everyone to easily get 340 gear from killing rares if there lucky enough. and the azerite traits make it even worse since now I need to collect extra gear to even viably play a different spec on my class. I honestly would rather have the legion legendary system over this (and i hated the legion legendaries) since this is so much worse in my opinion.
the more I play BFA the more I dont like it.
100% agree
and yet soo many pre ordered it hahaha.
The best bits were the story and the world. They are kinda done, for the most part, as soon as you're capped.
If I weren't being held hostage by WoW being the place my friends are, I would likely have stopped playing and gone back to single player games for another expansion.
I’m working to unlock a Alt race surely that’s not new launch content !!! Also as Alliance Kul Tiras is a boring Set of Chores by its Whiney citizens. Doing them again is getting too much I’m playing less and less half the time I’m standing at a FP watching television 🙁
I couldn't even get past the class changes, so I never capped before quitting.
Remember when all the WOW killer games came out like Rift, GW2, and SWTOR, and the wow community said the only thing that will kill WOW is WOW itself? Guess what? They're doing it!
Never farmed Azerite, it just doesn't seem worth it. If we prey to our lord ilvl, it tells us "Farm better gear", not farm AP.
On an up note, I’ve been able to use BFA as an example in my software development course for 4 weeks running. Actually, it makes me sad every time I bring it up.
Story: A+ (Amazing!)
World Design: A+ (Amazing)
World Quests: C (Okay. Nothing special)
Dungeons: A (Pretty good!)
Raid: B (First 3 bosses feel kinda flat but otherwise good)
Island Expeditions: F (Boring. You try to trick yourself into doing them in the background to keep your hands occupied while talking to friends.)
War Fronts: B (Needs more engagement for turn-ins and possibly an overlay to keep people involved with what their team are doing but otherwise promising)
Gear & Associated Systems: F- (Literally so bad and unrewarding that, if Uldir didn't show promise, I'd probably cut back my WoW play to 1 day a week or less. It feels like you have to play at least twice as much as Legion for less than half the rewards.)
I have to agree overall with these assessments. Maybe Legion was giving out too much too quickly, but coming from that into a dry lakebed of gear is too rough.
I'd agree with most of this except I'd make gear maybe a D-. Azerite is bad, but other forms of gearing are much more streamlined with less hassle in determining upgrades.
Everyone keeps saying how good the story is, but I just felt, at least Horde side, it was very bland and predictable. Plus having to sift through Troll talk for 10-15 hours was pretty painful. Going from defeating the Burning Legion to this silly war makes no sense and feels very forced.The story is a C+ at best. Maybe a B if Alliance story is better than Horde, but that I don't know. The F- cracked me up though.
Warfronts D
Dungeons B-
Otherwise I agree
wtf32540, I agree with your correction The dungeons are decent.
I really dont understand why nobody cares about the gcd. They destroyed the game with this change. It plays like shit.
Yeah it feels like an auto-attack simulator
i fully agree! makes the game so slow paste, which blows
Yeah just another thing sitting in the trash pile that is this expansion. I had this somewhat mitigated by playing fury with us getting haste while enraged but we still have our main cooldowns still on the gcd and that will never feel good. Then playing anything else that doesn't have built in haste just feels even worse. It's like you have to stack that on every class to make it feel average to play. Bad times.
Depends on your class/spec but it also doesnt make sense to have 6 abilities macro'd together on 1 GCD or 0 GCD. Things that truly shouldnt be on a GCD like firemage "fireblast" are still off GCD because the rotation depends on it. I cant speak for all specs but I understand the general idea Blizz was trying. You need to be more specific than "omfg GCD changeS".
what ilvl are you anonymous? low level fury sucks as your haste percentage is very low. I'm at 345 myself and while I enjoy it, it feels way worse than previous fury iterations. I miss, for example, the colossus smash fury days.
I still remember sitting down and watching Blizzcon, with a huge smile after the announcement of Classic WoW. Then the announcement that the meaningless faction war was a thing, and immediately my thought was "Oh God, filler expansion incoming."
My dread tapered off a bit when I saw the first trailers. Wow, Zandalar and Kul'Tiras look awesome! Allied Races? The sub races we heard about and asked for! Warfronts and Island Expeditions? Wow, what are those? Finally, a new battleground, and I fucking hate PvP! War Mode! Finally a fix to the folks who want to go to these realms that their friends are on but couldn't be arsed to world pvp.
Then as Ion rambled on stage for what seemed like forever, there was a massive eyebrow raised. Why the hell is he being so vague? Surely I'm just being paranoid, right? Are Island Expeditions going to be some massive deal or just a boring slog? Why does Azerite Armor sound like an atrocious follow up to Artifact Weapons? How are the traits going to be gated? Warfronts don't even have a PvP option?
I finished watching the BfA feeling massive amounts of dread that once I was done leveling and experiencing the zones, that there was going to be a huge problem as far as interesting content.
At this point, if you don't PvP hardcore (and believe me, this expansion is probably the only way I would even have considered using something like War Mode to spice up my World Questing), this expansion is going to be a colossal failure for anyone who isn't suckered in by cosmetic shit like allied races. Even the warfront armor they showed off, that looked so unbelievably badass in concept, looks generic as fuck in-game. To this day, Blizzard is incapable of making a good-looking cloak.
I disagree with your sentiment about the Allied Race being a carrot worth hyping for at this Blizzcon. Much as I'd love seeing the horde suddenly infested with these adorable little foxes, I think people have begun to realize the massive time sink these things are altogether. A time sink to unlock them. A time sink to level them if Heritage armor is your thing.
They need to do something HUGELY bigger than that. Whether it's a massive overhaul of all of these expansion features that haven't worked, or just cutting the cord early like they did to WoD and start working on the next, meaningful expansion that isn't a fucking beta on retail release.
Blizzcon is going to need to reveal Classic WoW for a release at Summer 2019 at the absolute latest, just to make up for the sheer radio silence we have had. I have never experienced Vanilla, and that at least has me curious enough to give it a shot. BfA though, has been a huge spike through my interest in WoW moving forward. Either change the foundations of this unfinished expansion or flip the table and start fresh (as I suspect they will do). It's well known that Legion was being focused on as early as Blackrock Foundry in WoD. That's where all of Blizzard's resources went to. That's how quickly they shifted gears and stopped putting resources into an expansion that they were creatively bankrupt for, much as they are with BfA. Are they already at work on 9.0? Not sure, but if BfA continues on this lukewarm stretch, I think it's a safe bet.
I was willing to forgive WoD because Legion was so unbelievably good, and honestly it had another six months in the tank to polish BfA.
BfA, even if the next expansion is Legion-levels of good, I doubt I can forgive. They have pulled this on us twice now. And it may be good advice moving forward to avoid the odd-numbered expansions. So far the seventh has been lukewarm. The fifth was completely abandoned. And the third, despite t11 and t12 (Heroic Ragnaros especially) being so damn good, is what started the descent of the game in the first place.
When I decided that I wasn't going to buy BFA, I was thinking that I might end up giving in towards the release date and buy it. I'm glad that I didn't in the end and I wasn't sure how I was going to feel this time round not playing the new WoW expansion at launch. So far, I can't say that I have any regrets. The game didn't interest me this time and the content doesn't look that appealing to me. I might play it after BlizzCon if they can interest me enough, but for now I'm more than happy with spending my money on other games at the moment and playing them instead :)
Same here. It's a first for me not to play at launch and I don't have any desire to play it. I used to be a top end raider but Since MoP started I usually play for a month at launch, do the first raid and then quit. All of the people I used to play with have also moved on over the years. I enjoy not having to schedule my time for raiding and can play other games. I just don't think it's worth the time anymore.
I've accumilated over 1 million gold since launch, thats more than 5 tokens on eu, so for me atleast the exp has paid for itself, and i actually enjoy everything except island expeditions
Good job, you let others create your opinions for you.
All I know is if I phoned it in this hard at my job, I would no longer have a job.
You tried Preacher. I took everything you said as a possible warning that this was how it was going to go down, and you were right. I get gear that's +15 ilvl from the dungeon gear I'm wearing, and not only do I have to wait 2 months to unlock the traits, but the traits suck anyways (stop in the middle of a boss fight to stand in a puddle, or stop in the middle of a boss fight to collect a ball). The dungeon gear I'm wearing now, despite having a lower ilvl, give me awesome stats that, when they have a "chance" (10% chance? 20% chance? No idea) to proc, they increase my DPS and I'm killing mobs easier than I was. Not to mention I have more rings unlocked. So what do I do? Do I equip the higher ilvl and gimp myself in order to join raids and pugs or do I keep myself at a lower ilvl but with better traits, stats, and DPS? It's come to the point now where I'm dreading getting a higher ilvl piece because it feels like I'm getting punished. I wish I could get gear BEFORE I level my neck each week, but sadly this is not the case. I just feel like I"m always going to be chasing after something that's never going to be obtainable, and then I get a higher ilvl item and suddenly I have to decide stats vs. stats., traits vs. traits, when those traits get unlocked, and if it's worth risking me getting a better piece to set the carrot back even further next week. I have too much Real Life problems to have to worry about all this.
I also don't understand how the main feature and selling point of this expansion--- The Battle for Azeroth.....is something we can only do once a month. WTF? A blue post on the US realms replied that "after a few days, it would be the other faction's turn", but this is not the case as it takes 3 weeks. On top of that, many are concerned about the imbalance of Warmode now that the horde are able to do the warfront (which just opened on horde-side US realms 9/9) and are able to get 340 ilvl gear like cakewalk, then to add icing to the cake, mythic raids unlock this tuesday, which gives the horde a double-goodie. Why couldn't both sides have this event (seperate phases if need be) at the same time? Why couldn't this be a weekly event instead of once a month? Anyways, sorry for venting :/
Honestly I feel the lack of a level 115 (or 120, doesn't matter) talent point is also a pretty big tipping point. Some specs are missing really important things from Legion. Imagine if Windwalkers had Strike of the Windlord, The Emperor's Capacitor and Drinking Horn Cover as options for a level 120 talent. You'd still be losing something between Legion and BFA but at least you would get an option. Azerite traits completely failed at filling these gaps, unfortunately.
...And it would still work.
15 - 30 - 45 - 60 - 75 - 90 - 105 - 120.
After level 80, there's just...nothing. Nothing to look forward to in your spellbook. All these levels really don't matter, they're just numbers now...and speaking of numbers, those are already spiraling out of control again. Tanks are already back to 200k HP THREE WEEKS INTO THE EXPANSION.
Honestly, I'm afraid for the game's future, considering this massive power creep.
BfA is just not worth playing. The game isn’t ready for live, and even if it was, it’s poorly designed, boring or frustrating. The only way to show Blizzard that you refuse to accept this mediocrity is not give them your money.
Same, I quit the game today. I tried, I really did. But they made everything the opposite of what it should be. Truly a waste of time.
Glad i didnt waste the cash on bfa now lol
The sky is falling!
Yeah nice save there. Fucking waste of dosh I tell you. I would rather play WoD or cata right now and those are the expansions I used to consider the worst. Small indie company indeed.
Companies don't give a shit, quit if you're having a bad time but don't quit in some attempt to punish Blizzard because it won't work.
In the beginning it was pretty interesting but when the Warfronts dropped... Well duck, I'll go level some alts instead.
That´s exactly what I´m doing right now because I´m just sick and tired of this grinding shit. We were forced to grind AP in Legion (which was already bad enough) and I was so glad when I read that we´d lose the artifact weapons, but then I saw the neck and thought alright here we go again with the same crap. Problem is the required AP levels are way too high imo and you just need them in order to raid properly (or even be invited to a group in my case). So I gave up on that and started leveling alts instead. Worst system ever implemented in WoW...
Great content as usual @Preach. Also, do you have an ELVui profile that we saw with your mage? Looks awesome
13:00. THANK YOU for saying this, Preach.
Assuming they do away with the neck at the end of bfa, would it make sense for mythic dungeon azerite gear have different traits each season? They wouldn't really need more rings, they could leave trinkets and other gear as is, transmog is the same but this allows balancing each m+ season without diminishing future rewards and post bfa it'll just be a gear like the artifact weapon most likely.
Bfa is just not ready. It's months away from being ready for release...
Preach i did a normal Island expedition yesterday and for the first time ever i seen a portal.
It ported me (and my group) to the MoP style treasure dungeons? we couldnt find a boss and we couldnt find the exit so we actually lost as we just ran around this place with nothing to do. this was for our weekly IE cap which we were actually going to skip as our necks are lvl 22 and 23 for the week required 38k (which is basically impossible to cover in a week anyways)
After 10years of WoW, I uninstalled bnet and I am happier for it.
Not sure what you mean by the 'allied race wildcard' - should I be happy and forgive all the bugs because I'm finally getting content I paid for months ago just so I can do literally decades old content for weeks if I want one of the actually good looking armor sets that was added this xpac?
I was pretty excited for the expansion at first and I signed up for a 6 month sub thinking there was gonna be tons of stuff to do and it would only get better. This may be the first Xpac that I regret getting a sub that lasts that long. If Blizz is not willing to put out quality content its just a waste of money. It's pretty pathetic compared to what Blizzard can really do. If feel that they pulled out all the stops for Legion since WoD was a flop and now they seemed to have lagged behind again, arguably worse. Just force people to grind forever and waste time for little reward. Why do that when there are plenty of other games out there that take far less time and give a better experience (at least non MMO's)? Blizzard you need to get your heads out of your ass! Allied races aren't going to save your game, they may buy you a little time but if Allied races are the main course of this upcoming Blizzcon I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people just walk out, unsub, and give Blizz the middle finger for just trying to squeeze cash out of people.
I only went 3 months, but I feel you. I have honestly spent more time post-120 in old zones, doing old content. I am having much more fun soloing old raids for mounts/t-mog. It's like I have come to the realization that even though I bought BfA, I am enjoying it more playing like I don't have it if that makes sense.
Sorry for the off topic question but I noticed that you have splitting ice instead of comet storm. Do you feel like it's a better talent for mythic+ ?
I honestly feel WoD was better at this point in time (before the selfie cam/twitter patch bullshit) and I honestly feel disgusted defending WoD so give yourselves a pat on the back for that, Blizzard.
-Better leveling/campaign in WoD
-Ashran is sadly better than warfronts, Ashran feels more like PvP than an entire expansion that actually has a PvP element to it
-New ideas good and bad in WoD but at least they put some thought into creating NEW THINGS (BFA literally just rehashed Legion except made all the ideas worse ICONIC WEAPONS WITH UNIQUE SKINS -> necklace you can't even fucking see)
-WoD had a lot of shit cut from it, but the product we had (while there WERE some bugs) felt like a finished product. BFA feels like it's still in BETA, bugs fucking everywhere.
I don't generally agree with Preach ,but this is 110% spot on and is the current state of BFA.
Mike, not only that what you said, they also managed to royally piss off the PvE alliance playerbase, mainly those raiders who were looking for Warfronts Azerite gear.
if things were really bad, now its worse, more and more people will leave the game, or do as many servers are doing, guild doing massive faction and server transfer to horde. the more this continues to go on, there will be no reason even for doing dungeons or raiding. its the death of an entire faction community due to incompetence and ineptitude.
i saw some friends of mine doing heroic Zul, and how how fucking easy it is with if you have lots of Blood elves using Arcane torrent during the entire fight.
Everything I have been saying for a long time and trends were already visible in Legion. Great summary.
Don't be sorry Blizzard, be better
Boi
Has there been any suspicion that Mythic+ or Raid drop % vary by player depending on how quickly said person has improved his/her gear recently or how many dungeons/raids he has run?
BFA is by far the worst expansion in every aspect aside from the opening raid (probably the first opening raid I've actually enjoyed). The worst part is the community is half the reason for it, people praised 'world quests' cause they were 'unique' when all they were was more annoying dailies and now they are becoming painfully aware of how bad they actually are. People praised 'artifacts' as a good progression system and now we have the heart of azeroth. People liked the titanforging system so now we have RNG in absolutely everything, they even lifted the cap on the 3rd week instead of on mythic launch like last time. The community is the reason for the garbage content and general expansion, high-end players warned them over and over and over but they didn't listen and now the casuals are crying about everything on reddit. The bugs are just obvious embarrassing levels of bad work on Blizzard's part. I think for the first time EVER I genuinely think this game is dying, because I think Blizzard just doesn't want to support it anymore.
This is a 300 IQ comment. Well said. It seems like Blizz is making systems for casuals to "give them something to do" when they could have been focused on better dungeons, raids, talents, classes, specs, racials, items, progression system...... but NO..... we need islands and WQ and rep grinds and pet battles and gold mounts and all this useless shit that is not ultimately rewarding.
Great video as always, any news on classic? and are you gonna play/stream it?
I swear to God, if Blizzcon and 8.1 don't fix this, we'll have WoD 2.0
I guess this is their strategy. Release a horrible expansion (WoD) then a Great one (Legion) then another horrible one (Beta for Azeroth) and then (Legion 2.0).
@@ArmageddonEvil Honestly, gold farming, allied races and raiding with my guild are the only things keeping me interested. Since I am a completionist and want to level a Mag'har orc
Don't think it'll be as bad as that, a lot of the content right now needs tweaking and to be fixed of its numerous bugs but at least a it's there. Wow just didn't have any content but garrisons
@@Trendydwarf true, but the bugs being there in the first place was something that shouldn't have happened
More likely, it has to do with stealing development time from one expansion and feeding it into the next. Time was stolen from WoD to make Legion amazing. Time is probably being stolen from BFA to make the next expansion amazing.
Hey Preach, first time commenting. Wondering if you could do a quick video on updating Weak Auras? I have your original just wondering where to go as to update it when you add things. Thanks a bunch for everything you and keep the content coming.
Right now in Legion you would be farming Maw of Souls over and over for AP gains and dealing with bugged legendary drops. Who is changing history now?
His bad memory.
Haha yeah... totally agree with you on that front, but I do however agree with him on the azerite traits. It's really annoying that the best ones are just procs. As far as the other stuff? EH... hasn't really bothered me. Both Islands and Warfronts have potential to be fun, but definitely need some love.
I don't think anyone claimed early Legion was a good time in WoWs history. In fact, I think it's the single *worst* period in WoW history, even worse than this turd of a launch.
I would take mindless Lego grinds in a heartbeat over "three weeks in 90% of the content in this game does not matter in the slightest"
@@DarkFalz719 Nothing but hyperbole there. Exactly what content 'doesn't matter'? Does everyone already have HoA level 40 with AOTC and keystone master? All exalted reps?
M+ and raider here, expectation (rewarded for pushing keys, farm the rep for useful things, have all the rep be attainable, islands to be fun, engaging and worthwhile). Reality (gated at 5 keys hoping for TF's that have a lower chance this epax causing annoyance rather than progress for reward, Rep rewards being useless to farm passed a point, working towards the majority of the items being recipes for items that are already outdated and falling very far behind on the Turtle rep because there are only so many turtles you can save[make more than 3 mini games the pairs one is not bad as a repeatable quest, the turtles to water gets old so quickly and I am glad they hot fixed the maze to be faster], having to grind 20 straight hours of islands(apparently the most efficient/only repeatable method) for my next AP level.
As Preach said the raid is fun and will hold people over for awhile and unlocking gear to M+ up to 10 will be nice next week so people will move their bench mark higher but what a kick in the gut when on Tuesday Alliance get a quest for a 370 warfront cache know they are probably going to have to wait 3-4 weeks to hand it in. Respect to 2 different groups who have already timed a 15 this week showing that its not a hard week for keys and proving the content is probably not tuned correctly, give it a few resets and people will be pushing 20's real soon.
Shout out to the penguin WQ when its not bugged, super fun for the first few times you do it.
Kinda unrelated but maaaan what did they do to ret ;-; i resubbed for the first time since early legion (mainly wod tho) and ret feels so slow. The time i spend looking at cds is atrocious.
It's mostly because of the GCD.
my war front reward was ilvl 370, which it showed before joining, so it wasn't a random boost. So they buffed it already?
Edit : i also did get a 340 in the scenario for the winning, the 370 was for completing it. I guess there is a difference?
Not sure if you're aware of this since you don't tend to mention economics in your videos, but a little tidbit I can share with you since BfA was that before the expansions launch wow tokens were about 300k each, a typical price that close to an expansion launch. When i checked yesterday (9/9/2018 if anyone wants to be specific) it had dropped to 170k. I don't recall it ever dropping to that price in the entirety of legion, even during the content drought. It seems people are abandoning BfA in droves.
That might not be lack of demand for tokens so much as a high demand for gold (and therefor high supply of tokens). With flasks, and food, and enchants costing crazy amounts, many people may be trying to buy gold through tokens. Or both higher supply and lower demand.
The amount of gold sink in BFA is pretty intense, and the Mission Table doesn't give much gold anymore.
The fact that wow token price is decreasing, that mean people are BUYING wow token with REAL LIFE money. With how fast the price is decreasing, that mean a lot of people are buying wow token with RL money. While people are not buying WoW Token with gold because they needed the gold for gold sink in the game.
Actually the gold sink in BfA is pretty terrible, at best you could say it's front loaded. Remember, crafted items are either about 300 ilvl or are BoP. These used to contribute a massive amount of gold sink to an expansion and it's stripped away in BfA. Beyond that, what are the gold sinks? Some pets nobody bothers with and the significant one is a 5 million gold mount, that at the moment only the wealthy would bother to buy (even at the height of the wow tokens price it would easily take over £200 to buy with real money, and you're looking at almost twice that much now).
Beyond that, you've got a new destiny announcement and that used to crank up the wow token price since you could use them to pay for it, the fact it seems to have so little impact either means destiny 2 is failing hard or BfA is failing so much harder that you can't even tell. But it's also worth mentioning that since we've had a fresh batch of quests that reward gold we have had a massive influx of gold into the most casual parts of the community.
As for raider groups, perhaps they are spending gold on stuff but I wouldn't be surprised if most of the time they just don't bother. After all, with the price of flasks being what they are is there any reason to not just go as far as you can without them and only use them when they become necessary? I suspect most mythic raiding guilds are capable of clearing normal without them, but perhaps maybe the end of heroic brings it out for them?
low price means people are buying it. People are actually paying 20 dollars for 108k gold on US realms. Its sad
I think that's more caused by deflation, which is a good thing at this point.
As someone that does not like M+ and my guild has passed me over for raid invites for the first 2 raids I am already done with this expansion. I stopped doing WQs after the first week and warfronts/islands are boring to me. My sub ends in 2 days and im not sure ill find a reason to start it up again.
RNG is so bad I've done 10+ mythic and got only 2 items
Maybe u should start multichesting +m runs then,
William Bruzelius multichesting drops more than 3 items?
@@giffeswe We usually get multichests dumbshit. The rng of it is so bad that as I stated that I got only two items with that many m+ runs. Think before you type. Kids these days...
@@Dae... guess you are unluckiest person in wow then, or a liar.
@@FiZc if u play a +2 and beat the timers u get 4 items split between ur party and key goes to +5, then you 2 chest the +5 for 3 more items, that's 7 items divided by 5 for about 1 hour of playing, see why this dude is a liar? You downgrade key (takes 2-3 min) down to +2 and repeat, Do this for 10 hours and you have 70 items split by 5 players, 2 days of playing for 5 hours each is ATLEAST 10 items each, with 20 more items not accounted for due to who is lucky and unlucky.
I know what you mean about just wanting to let things tick away. After facing the reality that my raiding guild recruited too many people and they I am stuck on a sucky team due to my class, I am just logging onto my main for emissary rewards and mission table.
I am not even bothering with expedition and ap grinding because the catch up mechanic basically encourages me to just wait.
World of Time-gated-craft " Battle for Alpha " 🤣👌
should i wait till 8.1 to do BFA? the reason why i ask is because 1 was wondering if i should wait till 8.1 and see if they fix things adn while i wait ill find a toon to make it my main because so far i cant seem to decide on what to class to play at the moment :/
I'm telling you. They are focused and shaping the game more and more toward consoles. And are selling out their usual quality to get things out. I've never seen this many bugs. To me it seems like They are focused on something else b
Brad Mills How is a boring Azerite system, boring class design, boring IEs and boring once a month Warfronts shaping the game towards consoles? How is striping all the fun out of the game going to make it more attractive to a console audience?
Brian Cates Console gamers have a shorter attention span
i can feel this to with class design, everything is just so simple and static
They've dumbed everything down. Completely. The gcd change and the refusal to change back. The way the new menus work. The fact that things aren't fun has a lot to do with stretching things out and dumbing things way down. Along with taking focus away from raids which only a small percentage really do. All this looks like effects of things they are dumbing down and stretching out to POSSIBLY slowly make things more conducive to console. IMO that's all I'm saying. To me the effects now seem to have a hidden cause. Blizz has never been this weird for lack of a better word.
Brad Mills I completely understand this, but I just don’t see how they possibly think releasing this game on console would sell ANY copies. 14 year old kids don’t want to play WoW, they wanna play the new call of duty. It would be the biggest flop of all time. It’s not their market and they know that, or you would think they do.
Enjoyed the video and the comments as well. Really nice to not see talk like, "If you're not enjoying it then just don't play it" which is what plagues the forums if anything negative about the expansion is brought up.
Bfa is actually boring atm, one of their worst expansions yet, Legion probably one of the best, etc for wrath...
Prot was so bad in legion yet I still mained it and enjoyed it cause of how good Legion was.
legion was great - the damn leggo system.
Legion only really suffered from 4 major things IMO:
Absurd RNG on loot, iffy class design, the AP grind and Patch 7.2 (AKA the "Shit we don't actually have a whole lot of content for you guys so we're just gonna artificially drag it out to last a month, please stay subscribed to us" patch).
The rest of it was great.
BFA is like they took all the bad parts of Legion and put them front and centre, removing or completely half-arsing the good parts of Legion.
I can agree on the AP grind, that shit was a pain until they fixed it with the increased shit.
RNG looting is ALWAYS absurb. But remember, mythic+ was introduced which helped it a lot. Probably one of the best things yet they ever made.
BFA is basically like Draenor, a filler expansion which probably will lead into an expansion where it will be 10 times better.
"BFA is basically like Draenor, a filler expansion which probably will lead into an expansion where it will be 10 times better."
This.. Every other expansion is utter dogshit, so the next expansion looks good even though it is quite mediocre (like Legion).
Yes, Legion did implement lots of good stuff, but the way you play the game is similar to BFA imo.
Timegated shit that if you don't do it you'll fall behind.
Crazy RNG on practically every scenario you can get loot from (Legendaries ontop of that).
Artifact system.. Oh dear...
8.1 Needs to be huge at this point, otherwise it's starting to look just a tad-bit better than WOD and not the successor of Legion.
Side note: what if you could turn azerite armor into dust to upgrade the item lvl of the azerite armor you want? just a thought.
This whole expansion is a hot mess.
Hello folks, just wanted to ask what addon is Preach using for the loot? Thanks :)
I’m finding BFA a bit boring. Trying out other games.
Woah woah woah, the neck level requirements change based on what your current neck level is when the piece drops?
Im sorry Mike but you've done it again. You (and the apologists) skip over the biggest reason Blizzard has made all these screw ups. The main reason why Ive gone to another RPG since this probably is the future of World of Warcraft unless this foundational problem is fixed.
Blizzard Entertainment no longer exists. Its BLIZZARD - ACTIVISION now. This is not something that's going to change. They are too large to care any longer about the opinions of the pleb players that fund their projects. Instead the "Fiduciary Responsibility to their shareholders" that they have under US Law is and will forever be their primary concern. They have become (as we say in the US) "too big to fail/screw up".
To be clear I have no personal evidence that this is what is happening in their development offices. This is my personal, cynical citizen, opinion.
But.. c'mon.
Alexander Guttman me and my friends joke about this all the time and honestly I’m not doubting it at all
Bingo. The big UA-cam WoW celebs never cover this, I'm guessing they are reluctant to gnaw on the hand that feeds, or maybe just less cynical than some of us. I personally think that WoW has more or less shielded itself from Activision's greater pay-to-win ambitions, but the Activision influence is quite clear. Will be interesting to see how WoW Classic ultimately plays out, both in terms of user interest (would high interest drive future WoW products towards a more classic experience?) and in whether or not Activision slaps some sort of microtransaction model onto it.
I agree with all of you, but I hate the massive amount of willfully ignorant, uninformed, and just dense players who pay for something that's not worth it. Just fucking stop buying...
War fronts for Alliance have been amazing so far. Week one we watched a bar get progressively longer, now in week 2 we are watching a bar get progressively shorter. 10/10 best game feature ever.
I've played since 2005 and I'm done with WoW for good, over all the shit. When you see forced CRZ for warmode off shards in CURRENT content you know the game is in a pretty bad shape and the sub numbers are very low. Blizzard just looks at us as $$$ signs, they couldn't give two shits about what you think, they only care about their shareholders and how much time you spend in game due to how Blizzard reports MAU to the shareholders. This company is a joke, and joining with Activision was the biggest mistake in Blizzard history. Asstivision kills anything they touch.
I've been watching your shows and content for many years and know how much you love the game. You also are highly logical in your critiques so I know when you say something is bad it is going to be rough. I went through alpha as well and was hopeful they would fix things but felt everything was very behind compared to other alphas and betas I've participated in so I was very concerned as well.
See you boys in the next expansion!
One set of bugs in particular is that some Azerite trait effects stick with you even after you switched a different set. Which is especially grating if they have an annoying visual effect that just doesn't seem to vanish even if you stood completely naked. I had to commit suicide by dismount in the air on my Paladin in Stormwind in order to get finally rid of the Self Reliance trait.
Most of these problems could be solved by getting better transmog and not being elitist.
I stopped grinding world quests a while ago. I do enough for the emissary and go on about whatever else I need to do and I never bothered grinding the AP because I know if I did I would end up burning myself out like I did Legion. Is it a bad expansion, no. Is it a mediocre expansion, yes
I'm glad I unsubbed when I did.
As a father of a 1 year old with a full time job, I agree with you. There is too much to do every week to keep up with the rest of my raid. It is demoralizing. It is one thing if I show up to the raid and make sure I farm the mats I need. Now I need to do Islands, Mythic+ (I like), World questions and war fronts to stay relevant. I can't do it. I want to play my alts too but feel like there is no point since I won't be able to level my AP anyways. I miss having 4 raid appropriate toons with limited time.
I'm sick of all the RNG that runs the entire game. If it doesn't get better over the coming months, I'll be forced to order the newest Xbox and go back to console gaming in 4K.
Like, im not a big AP farmer, and i have gear that i dont even have a single trait on... (neck is lvl 16)
Btw @preach can you link us you WA's? or are those for your guild only?
I just want the old conquest vendor where I choose what piece of gear I want, I loved the fact I was working towards something I was looking forward to.
Final Fantasy XIV is waiting for you my friend.
I agree and I'm so sad... unsubbing soon probably :(
16:57 Preach goes full disappointed father mode, sending childhood PTSD shivers down my spine.
Just CAVED (that says more than any post i could right could since i've been subbed since 05 and would buy every collectors edition the day of launch) yesterday and got BFA to play with some friends (despite my feelings toward the expac from the beta access i was given). Out of some twisted self hate we decided to satisfy our curiosity and check to see how the progress on the bugs we had found went. (as well as im sure plenty of others reported since we didn't look to terribly hard). SUPRISE! I got to find out the hard way that the escape stormwind scenario is STILL nice and bugged at the end if you dont kill the bridge bros before the jaina cut-scene... NEATO great way to start an expansion! Good to know our beta tickets and bug reports go right into the old recycle bin!
It's not even a hard fix, just set the cut-scene to trigger off the NPC proximity not the player so the player won't start it before the NPCs are close enough... Thanks bliz ill look for the cheque in the mail. Not sure how i can help with the missing water textures on some rivers in zuldazar (sp) that have been that way since "alpha".
Never witnessed anything in the stormwind scenario and what do you call a major bug?
Lucky for you I guess, if you trigger the cutscene with jaina at the end before killing every add on the bridge or waiting for the NPCs to RP walk to her you are stuck there until you abandon the quest. Wave after wave of adds keep spawning and the NPCs wont get on the boat. seems like a pretty major bug considering it is preventing you from starting the entire expansion.
Its not so much that the bug is going to cause me to rage quit, just that this seems to be one of MANY little bugs that have been reported since the first day we could and are still there on launch. That can be said about every expansion im sure, just one more thing for me to go "meh" about next time i have the beta access sitting in my email.
can imagine what happened there since the script forces the npcs on a path that is anything but straight forward.
Thanks for being honest and not running away from critical thinking Preach - some youtubers should take a page out of your book (YES I MEAN TALIESIN)
In all honesty I'm not seeing what all the fuss is about. Every expansion has had its fair share of problems. I'm enjoying my time running dungeons and raiding with friends. Are there problems? Sure. There always are. Am I bothered by the dreaded RNG as others are complaining about? Well, if I didn't like RNG I surely would not be playing an MMO.
I'm sure whatever needs addressing will be addressed in some way. Will it be soon? Who knows? The current Azerite system doesn't really bother me, though.
You don't get it. Never will probably... Enjoy the new game, as slow as it is.
@@septua Yes, these idiots, don't see the big picture, and cannonize themselves against it thinking their smart.
If you need higher Heart of Azeroth power to unlock Azerite traits as your ilvl increases, wouldnt that mean you also have to grind much less AP if you got lucky with loot early from things like world bosses, the warfront chest, or titanforges whilst you were still relatively low ilvl over all.
If that's the case isn't that also going against the "anti-RNG" measures blizz is taking by making the consequences of RNG a lot more impactful.
Ik guess for me, the casual player. BFA is pretty fun. So far i have a good time when i log in. 347 equipped now and cant wait to try the HC raid
when u are 6/8 hc and are on the same ilevel because of fuqing rng...
x360wizard yeah they do
HC is still pretty casual(ish), it's been that way in legion too. Pugs are clearing normal already, and I've heard a few got 3 or 4 bosses down in heroic already.. which is pretty crazy to think about given the history of the game.
I feel you but Preach is warning you about the future. The game has been out for a month and you're 347? That's higher than the rewards from warfronts. You're not going to enjoy doing the same content over and over until we get the next "broken shore" or "argus" patch. He's saying the leveling is good but the end game and everything Blizzard demo'd last year at BlizzConn has been an absolute wash
Tim Nes some comments have already pointed this out but as he said in the video if you are not raiding or pvping what is there for you to do ? Personally If I was not raiding and doing mythic plus I would have skipped bfa, I can't be bothered with islands and allready got everything out of world quests that I needed so the only content for me really left to enjoy is raising and the casual pvp. He's worried for the player who are not like us and won't have content to look forward to or have rewards worthy of the time spent.
Anyone have a link to info trait neck level requirements increasing based on your current neck level? Haven't seen that.
Blizzard completely shit the bed with this expansion. It is right on the verge of being fantastic. At the current point, not so much.
Can someone help
Hi,
I just killed G'huun on Normal and im a little confused , do raid bosses normally drop ilvl 266 green ? Because all i got was a green mail item. I have a ticket open but this seems like a real slap in the face when i kill last boss of new raid and a trash mob green drops for me.
Could this be a bug ?
Plz help my Rnjesus has deserted me and i really need a drop.
I have a feeling that a lot of this crap has to do with Blizzard pandering to the wrong audience. As in, the political crowd, not the gaming one. That and shareholders, obviously.
political crowd?
Really? Political crowd? Seriously?
Lol how does like... having boring islands, or boring warfronts, pander to the political crowd? Literally what the shit are you talking about? That's not pandering to a political crowd it's just a game being boring because they rushed it
I think you clicked the wrong video, this is about WoW, not BFV.
I'm not referring to the features, I'm speaking of the storytelling and Blizzard's hiring practices which in turn likely contributed to the lackluster product we got.
I really am not a fan of the Azerite system. It just feels terrible to get an (ilvl) upgrade and have it not *feel* like an upgrade because you have to sacrifice 1-2 (god forbid 3) traits because your necklace level isn't high enough. Why? What's the point? Would also be nice if gear could hold traits between specs, so I don't need to have 3 different sets (heal/tank/dps). I dunno, just feels like a mess to me.
My group belong to the silent majority. We are loving the content we are doing. I hope things you don't like get changed so that you and yours enjoy yourselves too.
It's not simply about enjoying the content. I am enjoying the game too, but there is no denying that bugs and class balance problems that were reported months before release were mostly left untouched. That is inexcusable.
Honestly haven’t experienced any bugs, there are some class balances but other than that.... I’m with you bro I’m really liking everything in this expac
Honest question. What are you enjoying?
hans maier Mythic +, Arenas, doing my world quest to farm rep, especially 7th legion since it unlocks dark iron. I also partake in world PvP, get into huge battles, help others get the horde slayer title, doing that one weekly quest in stormsong, it’s so mysterious I wonder what it’ll end as... I’m also helping my friends gear, we sometimes go on mog runs (even tho it’s not part of bfa, the new level cap allows us to get the mythic mogs from last expac) farming for mounts, constantly trying to improve my tanking as a warrior in mythic+ and raiding with the new gcd changes. Need I say more?
hans maier like I said in another comment, maybe I’m not as hardcore as other players but I’m having a blast with the content. Perhaps because I’m not burning myself out as fast as possible. I forgot to mention, I like doing the PvP version of island expeditions, especially with my rl friends
Do you rate the game based on "i only wanna play wow" or from the more casual view ? Would be interesting to know
I stopped playing just before launch, but can't pass up on a top tier Preach rant!
Does anyone have a link to Preach's WeakAuras? or is there a video that has his addons listed?
By this point in Legion, we already knew Karazhan was coming out, in BfA, we have no idea what is coming next or how radical the changes are going to be to address the issues in this expansion.
I Enjoy the aesthetics of warfronts, The buffs you can buy and extra mobs and and the general combat is quite fun, but they need special achievements (maybe a mount attached to it) and allow full raid groups to queue together. That would fix it. The Island expeditions just need special hidden items, secrete loot, real treasure, or at least give you the AP you found, It feels like work, making money for the man, and only get a slice for yourself.
Preach i hope you see this, because personally it's been a point of frustration for me. Stealth buffing and stealth nerfing azerite traits. Suddenly my Sudden Onset did 4 times the dmg and made affli viable and even desired for high m+, so then i had to go out of my way to aquire these pieces. And not to mention that my Overwhelming Power trait used to be mediocre, and suddenly it was bis and i just happened to have 3 of them.
I love how even though they had the m+ titanforge issue (which they fixed afaik,) they said in yesterday's hotfix bluepost that they had fixed a bug where offhands were titanforging and they shouldn't be, but that they wouldn't remove those items from the game. I don't begrudge my raid leader the 395 off-hand he pulled in a +5, it helps my raid team, but I really look forward to when Blizz announces the BfA alpha because this shit is friends and family early access.