I can't believe you react to 2 Cure songs in a row, they are my all time favorite band ever, love you are listening them, and going on with more, they are amazing at every stage of your career
The Cure was one of the best concerts I’ve ever seen-I was shocked too that they were as good as they were and that’s what really made me a fan.🤘🖖✌️🎸🥁🎤🎹
I think they've become more consistently great live over the past 15 years! Before, they could also be rather awful at times 😅 (at least by what I've seen here on YT) I've been to only 1 of their shows so far, in Cologne/Germany and when they were touring their self-titled album in 2004, and it was pretty good, too! 😊 I've watched several later shows on YT that still were quite a bit better and also longer, though 🙂 Great band! One of my all-time favourites! 😀👍
I've been a massive fan of the Cure for forty-six years. "Faith" is my favourite of their albums and "Primary," particularly the full-length original - never reissued - 12" version is not simply my favourite of their singles but one of my most-beloved singles ever. I think it is absolute perfection. I am indeed addicted. BTW, never listen to critics or read reviews!
Love Primary. Been a fan since I was 15 (I'm 53) and I still go hard when it comes to them. Been to 5 shows and hoping there'll be a couple more. They've been with me through the good and the bad. And yes, the heavy bass is a bonus for me. They have great lines. In addition to SImon, RS plays a 6 string bass.
Now that you've heard both studio versions of A Forest and Primary, I would suggest checking out their more recent live performances of the song to hear the difference between then and now. Live Cure is a force to be reckoned with.
"Primary" is one of Faith's two most upbeat tracks. Yep, at the time The Cure were developing what you might call an austere sound, based more on atmosphere than melody, but personally I'm fine with it and Smith's vocals on "Primary" are pretty catchy, despite the deliberately restrained selection of instruments (two bass guitars and monolithic drums for a single was a pretty brave and risky choice, but it worked out pretty well in the end). Later in the autumn of 1981, The Cure released a great non-album single entitled "Charlotte Sometimes", which returned to something more ‘classic sounding’ (though still in a ‘neurasthenic’ mood), for which there is also a video (which you could watch next time😉).
@@Kevvinm The original Faith album never had "Charlotte Sometimes" on it because this non-album single was recorded in July 81, four months after the end of the Faith sessions (completed in March 81 and released in April). "Charlotte Sometimes" was released in October 81. It was not until 2005 that the single was added as a bonus track to the double deluxe edition of Faith on CD. On the other hand, on some of the original Faith cassette editions, there was a long instrumental of almost 28 minutes on side two entitled "Carnage Visors", which was the soundtrack to an animated short film of the same name directed by Ric Gallup (brother of bassist Simon Gallup) and which was projected on screen in place of an opening band on The Cure's ‘81 Picture Tour. This track also features as a bonus track on the deluxe CD edition of Faith in 2005.
@@a.k.1740 - The 'Charlotte Sometimes' clip was filmed at the same location as the one for Bonnie Tyler's 'Total Eclipse Of The Heart', by the way! Holloway Sanatorium in Surrey, England 🙂
@@mightyV444 I'm not sure I've ever seen the Bonnie Tyler video so I can't compare, but it's interesting info, and it gave me the idea to see if there were any other videos shot there for other artists, which seems to be the case. Some of them include Adam Ant and also Cocteau Twins!
@@a.k.1740 - Then you might as well check out the much more entertaining _literal_ video of 'Total Eclipse'! 😄 m.ua-cam.com/video/fsgWUq0fdKk/v-deo.html 😁 And that abandoned mental institution seems to have been a popular spot for filming! 😀 By the way, what was the other upbeat song on the 'Faith' album again?! 'The Funeral Party'? 😅 😉 I do like this album, though 🙂 It probably hits native English speakers differently than someone like myself, who's originally German and doesn't register its lyrics unless I focus on them, so it's mostly just vibe and atmosphere to me. Even after having lived in NZ for over 20 years and speaking English 80% of the time 😀
Old cure is so simple. Have fun justin its worth the ride. Hard to explain the changes from album to album, they really started to play with moods and huge fills, keys, alot more haunting and bass heavy, less punk more trunk
This track always ends up on my post punk playlist, love the driving nature of the song. If you happen to go down more of a post punk rabbit hole Siouxsie and the Banshee’s are a must . Suggested tracks , Spellbound, Christine, Hong Kong Garden. My favorite lp from the early 80’s post punk era , and in my top ten of all time , is Echo and The Bunnymen’s Heaven Up Here lp. Suggested tracks, A Promise or Over the Wall.
I've always suspected it's a drum machine with cymbal- and percussion overdubs on the 2nd and 3rd albums - but I've also never been able to tell for sure! 😅 Lawrence 'Lol' Tolhurst did drum the parts true to the studio versions, though 🙂
As for the '2 basses' thing, I'm pretty sure Smith played a Fender Bass VI on the actual recording, and the two identical P-basses were just a visual idea for this clip and for TV appearances (My own bass looks like theirs, too 🙂) And despite Mathieu Hartley's departure, there still are keyboards also on _this_ album. One of the reasons he left was that he wanted to play more chord-based stuff while Smith had expected him to play really basic and simple melodies, just like on 'A Forest'. There's a story of Hartley frustratedly throwing his synth into the audience during one of his last gigs with the band 😅 By the way, the 'Faith' album's cover art was done by Porl (now Pearl) Thompson, who'd join The Cure on guitar further down the line. And it's great that you feel inspired to check out more of their repertoire, Justin! 😀👍 PS: Playing downstrokes on the bass at that tempo for three and a half minutes is quite challenging! 😅
Primary was recorded with two P basses, Robert smith did some dub withthe Fender Bass VI for the melodic part, at this time Primary was played with Two basses live !
@@jean-christophelebachelet5926 - Thank you for the info! 😀👍 I would've not expected that! I'm most familiar with the '...in Orange' live version, which is being played with bass, Bass VI and guitar, and hence also my suspicion of a Bass VI being used on the studio version. Plus, it says on the 'Standing On A Beach - The Singles' album under this song, "Robert Smith - vocals/guitar" 🙂
Some U2 Boy vibes on this song (just a touch). I vote for more on The Cure. I'm pretty much at the same place with them as you are. Mostly familiar with just their bigger songs. I had heard A Forest a few times, though. Always liked what I've heard of them.
@@KevinHampton-w3s Robert SMith didn't like U2, he saidthis in different interview in the 80's..... but U2 an The Cure were influenced by Joy Division and Siouxsie and the Banshees.....
@@jean-christophelebachelet5926 Yeah. I'm not saying Smith listened to Boy and then The Cure copied the sound. Just that there are some similarities, which would be explained by those early influences on both bands, some of which you mentioned.
Sort of a sophomore slump on this one. They were down to a trio, and each side of the album is less than 20 minutes, so you get the sense they struggled to get enough material together for it. I know the next album is where they *really* dive into the gloomy goth stuff, so I'm curious to see what JP thinks about that! But yeah, I'm with those who say Siouxsie and the Banshees were the better band for this kind of thing. At least during this time period.
looks like some bass instead of being deeper are wider, that finger guard or pickguard is spacious, i mean the P-Whatevers are not. I'd look intelligent if it was the same size as a Strat. well i like the base part didnt pay attention to the rest. The voice was the standard voice (same guy same voice makes sense)
Deceptive Bends by 10cc i like I think i read they're related to Cream or some creamy name like that but i doubt it's Eric (Clapton)'s Cream band. then again 10cc are good musicians
i like it since its release so i'm old i mean i can defend their Hono(u)r Just because you have a superbabe rescued by a band member wearing a Scaphandre on the album Sleeve doesn't mean the music is crap.
Apologies to fans of this band but this just isn't good or even interesting. I would have been 21 when this came out and was even losing interest in the bands I loved at this point. Oh the 80's 😮
I can't believe you react to 2 Cure songs in a row, they are my all time favorite band ever, love you are listening them, and going on with more, they are amazing at every stage of your career
The Cure was one of the best concerts I’ve ever seen-I was shocked too that they were as good as they were and that’s what really made me a fan.🤘🖖✌️🎸🥁🎤🎹
I think they've become more consistently great live over the past 15 years! Before, they could also be rather awful at times 😅 (at least by what I've seen here on YT)
I've been to only 1 of their shows so far, in Cologne/Germany and when they were touring their self-titled album in 2004, and it was pretty good, too! 😊
I've watched several later shows on YT that still were quite a bit better and also longer, though 🙂
Great band! One of my all-time favourites!
😀👍
Yeah the cure live is awesome, so booming. What a band for real.
Please continue moving forward through all the Cure albums
@@robshaw2639 lol
I've been a massive fan of the Cure for forty-six years. "Faith" is my favourite of their albums and "Primary," particularly the full-length original - never reissued - 12" version is not simply my favourite of their singles but one of my most-beloved singles ever. I think it is absolute perfection. I am indeed addicted. BTW, never listen to critics or read reviews!
Love Primary. Been a fan since I was 15 (I'm 53) and I still go hard when it comes to them. Been to 5 shows and hoping there'll be a couple more. They've been with me through the good and the bad. And yes, the heavy bass is a bonus for me. They have great lines. In addition to SImon, RS plays a 6 string bass.
Now that you've heard both studio versions of A Forest and Primary, I would suggest checking out their more recent live performances of the song to hear the difference between then and now. Live Cure is a force to be reckoned with.
"Primary" is one of Faith's two most upbeat tracks. Yep, at the time The Cure were developing what you might call an austere sound, based more on atmosphere than melody, but personally I'm fine with it and Smith's vocals on "Primary" are pretty catchy, despite the deliberately restrained selection of instruments (two bass guitars and monolithic drums for a single was a pretty brave and risky choice, but it worked out pretty well in the end).
Later in the autumn of 1981, The Cure released a great non-album single entitled "Charlotte Sometimes", which returned to something more ‘classic sounding’ (though still in a ‘neurasthenic’ mood), for which there is also a video (which you could watch next time😉).
@@a.k.1740 I have Charlotte Sometimes on my copy of Faith. I must have a reissue copy.
@@Kevvinm The original Faith album never had "Charlotte Sometimes" on it because this non-album single was recorded in July 81, four months after the end of the Faith sessions (completed in March 81 and released in April). "Charlotte Sometimes" was released in October 81.
It was not until 2005 that the single was added as a bonus track to the double deluxe edition of Faith on CD.
On the other hand, on some of the original Faith cassette editions, there was a long instrumental of almost 28 minutes on side two entitled "Carnage Visors", which was the soundtrack to an animated short film of the same name directed by Ric Gallup (brother of bassist Simon Gallup) and which was projected on screen in place of an opening band on The Cure's ‘81 Picture Tour. This track also features as a bonus track on the deluxe CD edition of Faith in 2005.
@@a.k.1740 - The 'Charlotte Sometimes' clip was filmed at the same location as the one for Bonnie Tyler's 'Total Eclipse Of The Heart', by the way! Holloway Sanatorium in Surrey, England 🙂
@@mightyV444 I'm not sure I've ever seen the Bonnie Tyler video so I can't compare, but it's interesting info, and it gave me the idea to see if there were any other videos shot there for other artists, which seems to be the case. Some of them include Adam Ant and also Cocteau Twins!
@@a.k.1740 - Then you might as well check out the much more entertaining _literal_ video of 'Total Eclipse'! 😄
m.ua-cam.com/video/fsgWUq0fdKk/v-deo.html 😁
And that abandoned mental institution seems to have been a popular spot for filming! 😀
By the way, what was the other upbeat song on the 'Faith' album again?! 'The Funeral Party'?
😅 😉
I do like this album, though 🙂 It probably hits native English speakers differently than someone like myself, who's originally German and doesn't register its lyrics unless I focus on them, so it's mostly just vibe and atmosphere to me. Even after having lived in NZ for over 20 years and speaking English 80% of the time 😀
Old cure is so simple. Have fun justin its worth the ride. Hard to explain the changes from album to album, they really started to play with moods and huge fills, keys, alot more haunting and bass heavy, less punk more trunk
This track always ends up on my post punk playlist, love the driving nature of the song. If you happen to go down more of a post punk rabbit hole Siouxsie and the Banshee’s are a must . Suggested tracks , Spellbound, Christine, Hong Kong Garden.
My favorite lp from the early 80’s post punk era , and in my top ten of all time , is Echo and The Bunnymen’s Heaven Up Here lp. Suggested tracks, A Promise or Over the Wall.
'Cities In Dust'! 🤩👍 'Wheels On Fire' is also great! 😊
Looking forward to Justin's Hallowe'en Cure vid, where he's all gothed up.
The Cure for life
I've always suspected it's a drum machine with cymbal- and percussion overdubs on the 2nd and 3rd albums - but I've also never been able to tell for sure! 😅 Lawrence 'Lol' Tolhurst did drum the parts true to the studio versions, though 🙂
I liked this in 81 and loved moving pictures. Completely different obviously. I love the pure simplicity and they used the flanger effect spot on 👍
Yes, it wouldn't be the same _without_ the Flanger effect! 😀
Both Rush and The Cure are among my own favourite bands 😊
If you do Love Cats (aka Lovecats), go for the extended version.
As for the '2 basses' thing, I'm pretty sure Smith played a Fender Bass VI on the actual recording, and the two identical P-basses were just a visual idea for this clip and for TV appearances (My own bass looks like theirs, too 🙂)
And despite Mathieu Hartley's departure, there still are keyboards also on _this_ album. One of the reasons he left was that he wanted to play more chord-based stuff while Smith had expected him to play really basic and simple melodies, just like on 'A Forest'. There's a story of Hartley frustratedly throwing his synth into the audience during one of his last gigs with the band 😅
By the way, the 'Faith' album's cover art was done by Porl (now Pearl) Thompson, who'd join The Cure on guitar further down the line.
And it's great that you feel inspired to check out more of their repertoire, Justin!
😀👍
PS: Playing downstrokes on the bass at that tempo for three and a half minutes is quite challenging! 😅
Primary was recorded with two P basses, Robert smith did some dub withthe Fender Bass VI for the melodic part, at this time Primary was played with Two basses live !
@@jean-christophelebachelet5926 - Thank you for the info! 😀👍 I would've not expected that!
I'm most familiar with the '...in Orange' live version, which is being played with bass, Bass VI and guitar, and hence also my suspicion of a Bass VI being used on the studio version. Plus, it says on the 'Standing On A Beach - The Singles' album under this song, "Robert Smith - vocals/guitar" 🙂
Maybe for a change just try the opener of the next album, One Hundred Years. Its sound is suddenly different and much darker and heavier.
Yes. They are a deep gloomy well.
Some U2 Boy vibes on this song (just a touch). I vote for more on The Cure. I'm pretty much at the same place with them as you are. Mostly familiar with just their bigger songs. I had heard A Forest a few times, though. Always liked what I've heard of them.
I think U2 was influenced by The Cure.....
@@jean-christophelebachelet5926 Maybe but Boy came out a year before this
@@KevinHampton-w3s Robert SMith didn't like U2, he saidthis in different interview in the 80's..... but U2 an The Cure were influenced by Joy Division and Siouxsie and the Banshees.....
@@jean-christophelebachelet5926 Yeah. I'm not saying Smith listened to Boy and then The Cure copied the sound. Just that there are some similarities, which would be explained by those early influences on both bands, some of which you mentioned.
Sort of a sophomore slump on this one. They were down to a trio, and each side of the album is less than 20 minutes, so you get the sense they struggled to get enough material together for it. I know the next album is where they *really* dive into the gloomy goth stuff, so I'm curious to see what JP thinks about that! But yeah, I'm with those who say Siouxsie and the Banshees were the better band for this kind of thing. At least during this time period.
looks like some bass instead of being deeper are wider, that finger guard or pickguard is spacious, i mean the P-Whatevers are not. I'd look intelligent if it was the same size as a Strat. well i like the base part didnt pay attention to the rest. The voice was the standard voice (same guy same voice makes sense)
"deceptive power" is very close to faint-praise but more like "if you don't feel the power it's because it's deceptive"
Deceptive Bends by 10cc i like I think i read they're related to Cream or some creamy name like that but i doubt it's Eric (Clapton)'s Cream band. then again 10cc are good musicians
or Erik
in fact almost all tracks are good on 10cc - Deceptive Bends.
i like it since its release so i'm old i mean i can defend their Hono(u)r Just because you have a superbabe rescued by a band member wearing a Scaphandre on the album Sleeve doesn't mean the music is crap.
Why are you searching for the cure? Is everything alright?
Uh boy🥱Justin let's quickly get back to Queen,or some of your Bass riffs.
Both Queen and The Cure are among my own favourite bands! 😁
@@mightyV444 Mighty I never got the Cure TBH but I'm gonna dive in a bit, ya never know
@@JohnnyLaps - It may be worth the effort, too! They did definitely evolve quite a bit throughout their 45+ years! 😀
I like some Cure stuff but not this one.
Apologies to fans of this band but this just isn't good or even interesting. I would have been 21 when this came out and was even losing interest in the bands I loved at this point. Oh the 80's 😮