Are you dumb, Do you think Luffy would have won that clash with Kaido if he have acoc or ryou? The end of the clash literally show Luffy using advance armament to end the fight.
@@Greg12839 basically the same thing “Only Haki transenceds all” and “only Haki can transcend all” the only difference is the first one means that no matter how strong you are if you don’t have Haki your gonna lose to a Haki user which isn’t true because we have seen Haki users get beat by non Haki users they still both mean that to be the strongest is to have the strongest Haki
Yeah could have Just kept it at pre time Skip Basic "armament haki Users can Hit devil fruits" maybe give some precog with Observation and conquerers Just knocks Out fodder. But it Had to become "my haki bigger than yours so I Go more boom boom than you"
@@yorulaney8563 Seems totally fine and makes perfect sense. "Haki" literally means will. Whoever has a stronger will wins the Haki clash. The clash of wills. It makes no sense to have a physical manifestation of will just cap out for no reason, that's sort of what makes it cool. It's why a character like Luffy can overcome a stronger guy in every way like Kata or Kaido. His will. The real issue is a bunch of internet dweebs thinking they can make a better power system then Oda. Power scalers are basically cancer to fictional universe.
delusional. Katakuri turning his paramecia into a pseudo logia using future sight is one of the most creative application of a power system I have ever seen and it massively depends on haki.
Really i think its the black n white. The colored manga makes it much more clear to me. Nearly every instance that people bring up for scrutiny can be solved w it.
@@biggimmicke For Advanced Conqueror's Haki, the only reliable indicator is the very large gap no touching, accompanied by a thick black lightning from the gap, and also the weapon/ hand of the user. Roger and White beard. Luffy and Kaido. Garp Galaxy impact. Everything else with non of those indicator going forward we can assume it is not Advanced Conqueror's Haki unless mentioned or implied otherwise like when Zoro cuts Kaido case. Unless it is clear, we'll have to assume it is Advanced armament (Ryuo) at best, with a bubble haki aura around the weapon/fist But yeah
@@drinkwater.10 I think galaxy impact is more of an adv. armament haki attack rather than adv. conquerors but the anime version is so different from the manga version cause we can clearly see the lightning effect on the attack but in the anime it's a straight up nuke.
And Its funny cuz for kaido’s likely strongest attack he utilizes his fruit in the most unique way he’s ever done, bro couldn’t even stick to his own belief
For the Blackbeard vs Law anime fight Vincent Chansard confirmed he was never told to give Blackbeard “advanced conquerors haki” it was just an artistic choice to show Blackbeard’s armament haki infused with the quake fruit.
At some point I guess we all just missed luffy having to run away from smoker or having to use his own blood to fight crocodile instead of making his fist a different color
The thing is that Oda needed to create a universal way to deal with logia type fruits, bc needing to find the natural opposite of a fruit for every time that you get a logia type would be much more worse, you'd not be able to get anything aginst Kizaru or Akainu
@@AnalyncaneWell it's been stated too much haki usage can kill a user stated by Zoro himself. Plus, Luffy can't use haki after using any gear 4 variation so it's def not infinite. But it's def inconsistent at times.
@@Analyncane It is stated during the fight with Katakuri that they can run out of haki, that's basically why Luffy could win that fight, it was an endurance battle
Honestly, the worst thing about Haki is how inconsistent observation haki tends to be. It reaches a point where you can sense people's individual aura almost no matter the distance and even predict the future... so how come none of them could find Vegapunk when he disappeared?
Same with armament. I don't know if you read the manga so hear is a slight spoiler for Topman Warcury- Luffy quite literally used advanced armament haki which bypasses defenses against Topman Warcury and somehow Luffy wasn't even able to scratch him. I remember advanced armament being stated to bypass strong defense like Kaido's scales and makes your attacks stronger, so how come that sh*t didn't bypass Warcury's rough skin is where I'm confused despite Luffy using advanced armament against him?
To be utterly honest, my favorite power system in one piece is the *super human* powers, like fighting styles and their techniques, it’s so cool and creative
@izrael820 it's not all haki, zoro and sanjis techniques is not haki, asura and Jambe is not haki, the completely realistic not supernatural named attacks from like that monocycle guy under buggy and his techniques are not haki, miss golden weekends psychic paint is a complete stretch which is not magic in the one piece world, all of usopps arsenal of tricks, Frankys Sci fi cyborg abilities, the climatact powers, even divine departure can still be a sword technique without haki, and even devil fruit powers with unrealistic usage is creative without their needing to be devil fruits, like eustass kid making a magnetic plasma railgun Canon out of swords guns wires planks and nuts, like these things, conquest of the seas arguably, and even the 6 powers and 6 king gun could be stand alone without the introduction of haki, and also one of Don kriegs guys clashing Pearl shields and armor to make Pearl fire that ain't haki, Don kriegs armor, fish men biological water fighting techniques, all the sword styles, zeff and sanjis footwork abilities, I like these type of them most of all, the sky dials, vegapunks stuff, seaprism, beast taming like buggys dude, kuros claws techniques, different weapons like morgans hand, destroyer of death and all of kaidos and big mom's techniques are amplified by haki, but what I'm saying is the unrealistic realism is the best for me
@@rinmartell2678 they’re techniques, styles, moves, named attacks are not Haki, they use it, and what about everything else??? what about cutting fire, or different people using bio electricity or somehow electricity? All the martial arts are NOT Haki, like Jimbes fishman karate slow wave. Anyway, they say Haki is armament, observation, and conquerors. Ryuo, mantra, Haki. Without these labels or even with them being erased, everything else is standalone. As a matter of fact, Haki would be majority unnecessary if you could already hit logias. Yeah. Every named attack, especially the ones that are random bullshit go, etc. I think one piece would be much better off without Haki as it is being so saturated, sometimes it’s too much coloured air and dark electricity on the screen. I think if they kept these toned down, kept it as mantra, Haki, and Ryuo, instead of making it the color of observation, or the color of the emperor, or the color of arms, or whatever, one piece would be much better off. If logia’s didn’t have Pokémon weaknesses and weren’t invincible otherwise, one piece would be better off. Or, if it were so less saturated, and used sparingly. And also Sanji breaking walls whilst bon clay pokes perfect holes in them, everything in dress Rosa, Mr 1s techniques, if they can be done with a sword.
One thing to think abt is that there isn’t a single top tier without haki and just uses a devil fruit. However there are plenty of top tiers that don’t use a devil fruit and have haki
The strongest ones always have both instead of only one. WB got the strongest title while Roger was on his prime and WB both had top tier haki and df. Kaido also got the strongest title later but he had a mix of both. Luffy needed a mix of both to defeat him. Joy Boy had prolly the strongest haki, but he also had the nika fruit. Et cetera
@@oevandrorealconfia4762 Roger clashed with him without it. Titles don’t mean much as we’ve seen in one piece, so my point still stands. what about Ryuma? No devil fruit ,pure haki ,and made the government scared of wano. Both are definitely important but swordsman are top tier without it. Overall in one piece there is no strong devil fruit user that doesn’t have haki
@@LegitFlames Roger clashed and still wasn't the strongest. Mihawk and Kaido can sure clash and fight evenly but only one is stronger, afterall all top tiers are somewhat equal to one another. And titles are for sure important unless you think defeating Mihawk is an useless step in Zoro's dream of becoming the strongest. There are only a few exceptions where one is the strongest without a df, but the general rule is a mixture of both. Afterall Roger, Mihawk and Ryuma all have room to grow in power if they eat overpowered devil fruits
@@oevandrorealconfia4762 I agree that having both can make one stronger but that isn’t the point of the comparison. It’s saying which one is more effective on its own. Obviously having 2 strong abilities could make one stronger. And considering the fact that I stated earlier, there is no top tier devil fruit user that doesn’t have some sort of advanced haki
@@LegitFlames I'm just saying that's his point in the video. People generally tend to believe haki is the only deciding factor, as for Roger vs WB, Roger should win because of greater haki, when in fact things like df powers also play a role in deciding who gets the victory
@@naturalstrength8393 that’s true ik..but my point is norma DF powers can’t really defeat them, they’ll just regenerate, even Luffy in any another gear but 5th can’t even touch them but at least for now haki is the most effective way to get rid of them
@@samuelleblanc4331 Haki is not the highest power. ONE of the strongest offensive power without a doubt. Joyboy himself used G5. Advanced haki with awakening stands above all
My issue with Haki is how convoluted it is. For example, we can’t differentiate between ACoC and ACoA unless Oda specifically tells us which is being used. We also don’t know when characters are actively using ACoO/FS, and there are no clear indicators for either of these advanced forms of Haki. Secondly, it has become a “CoC contest,” where whoever has the stronger Haki usually dominates the one with weaker Haki, removing the creativity from battles. There’s also the inconsistency and unexplained Haki abilities. Asura is obviously Zoro’s ability, and it’s implied to be an ACoC attack, but we still have no idea how Asura fits as an ACoC technique. I still think Oda can do some damage control since the series hasn’t ended yet.
in fact this was a problem with luffy vs kizaru we didn't know if luffy use advanced haki in his gear 4 and if we said yes then kizaru should also used advanced haki which are advanced armament and future sight and pretty good amount of his devil fruit power honestly i see he did use it against luffy gear 4 + advanced haki or how do you think he was able to shot gear 4 luffy with conqeuror and armament coating ?
I’m gonna be honest, Ive taken ACoC to be any time there is significant “trailing” of lighting in the wake of a blow. I highly recommend tracking down the official color manga bc they recently released the rooftop batches and it was significantly easier for me personally to understand. As for future sight, Im currently going with it’s either stated or otherwise it’s “potentially future sight” like how Akainu and Kuzan all seem to have done a similar thing that Katakuri does- using FS to morph their body to not take damage from haki users (Vista and Whitebeard) so i always say they *potentially* have it, and never would say it’s confirmed
The diff cannot be seen in the fists or attack but if people arround faint or not & two conqueror Haki user clash they usually don’t touch eachother as the power make a gap between them like « Infinity » does
"Secondly, it has become a “CoC contest,” where whoever has the stronger Haki usually dominates the one with weaker Haki, removing the creativity from battles." This is complete and utterly false lmao. Name a single uncreative major one piece fight using haki. There literally isn't a single one.
@@xanidydexidyall battles lol stop fanboying kid Every major haki battle is just an asspull who has stronger haki wins which is clearly evident in the battles Even tho Zoro had no devil fruit no advancements no cyborg thing no special ability but still won against king who was a lunarian can fly at high speed has fire power has insane haki that battle was a legit asspull without creativity Luffy vs Bullet too Shanks vs Kizaru Luffy vs Kaido waa a whole boring ahh battle with yelling names and no creativity
@JT-km6th Toei takes some blame as well. They could easily come up with a way to consistently show when ACOC is being used instead of letting animators do whatever they want with it
The problem unfortunately isnt just with Toei tho they’ve shown it in different ways i think it was to help people’s conception of how haki works. It really is quite simple. ACoC isnt that complicated- it isnt just a sfx or necessarily the thicker lightning, it’s just simply when said lightning trails after a hit. “ACoC” is a stupid fan made term. It is more accurate to say “Conqueror’s Coating” bc that’s literally what’s happening- Conqueror’s haki is simply being applied as if it were armament. Kaido specifies that Luffy is using Conqueror’s and Armament which implies that Luffy is also combining his Ryuo training (which is why the anime has so many shots w cherry blossoms to try and convey “flow”) and imo that was purely to save Oda on ink for that part of the fight lol so as to not draw Luffy coated in armament AND lightning AND crazy G5 effects. G5 also just kinda makes things weird bc in egghead it just consumes his arc clothing but in wherever we are it seems to have merged w his outfit in some places.
I mean yeah, I dont understand between using Ryou and using Conqueror coating haki. Like I know both doesnt provide the same amount of dmg, but when Luffy used Ryou, he didnt touch Kaido, and once Kaido used conqueror coated haki, it happened the same thing.
I agree with you. People glaze haki too much and never take in a charcter stats. Example being fighting style whether it's swords or weapon of choice df, technology, fist ie garp or luffy combination with df. Kicks like sanji. Or the different karate styles Nor do they ever take in a charcters durability, endurance, strength etc. Alot of people heavily wank sword users and haki users. Above all others but at the end of the day all that matters are the two charcters fighting and what thier loadouts are. Great video btw.
Some people are really stupid to say that "Haki is everything". The one thing about One piece power system is that it's not like other Anime. There is not one Single power System there are multiple Power system. Example - Haki, Devil Fruit, Weopon, Skills, Science, Genetics This is what I really about One piece Power System. Characters use a combination of these power system. And what really matters is that How Strong are they in each Power system. Kaido = Strong Devil Fruit + Strong Haki + Graded Weopon + Oni Genetics Shanks = Strong Haki + Swordsman Skills + Graded Weopon Luffy = Strong Haki + Strong Devil Fruit + Battle Skills Zoro = Strong Haki + 3 Graded Weopons + Swordsman Skills Sanji = Strong Haki + Fighting Skills + Power of Science
@@chiro921 Weopon is a established Power System. Because weopons are classified between Supreme Grades, Excellent Grades and Good Grades. Zoro could've never beat King without Enma. So It just shows How much difference a Good weapon can make. Same for Scientific Powers. But Scientific powers are just Underrated which It should not be. The biggest example is Seraphim and Franky, Both are cyborgs but Seraphims are clearly much much stronger than Franky. And in Future they are gonna become a Huge Problem. Not to mention Joyboy Haki was Hidden inside a Knot, and That Knot is a Scientific technique. Skills also matters a lot but that is also underrated. And When it comes to Genetics, COC Haki is completely dependent on Genetics. So if you don't have a Strong Family, you can't have COC Haki. So Genetics is also a Power System on its own. Raw Physical Strength also matters a lot. Weevil is a warlord only just because of his raw Strength. Or Burgess he ate a DF of Strength so on the basis of Raw Strenght He is the Strongest. I'm just saying that If you really want to measure the actual strength of character, You need to look at much more factors than just Haki or Devil Fruit. And There is no Strongest Power System. Whatever Power System the character uses, How strong is he in that.
The whole "Haki transcends all" quote from Kaido was him just being mad because Luffy was toying with him. Most of his powers came from his Zoan DF which gave him extreme durability, be able to grab clouds to fly, control electricity to a degree, control fire that was so potent it could destroy a mountain, and the same fire was so hot that even managed to bother Luffy in G5. On top of that, his fruit gave him access to hybrid forms, which greatly increased his speed and power. All of this is WITHOUT counting his haki which he used to be even stronger, but he was mostly being carried by his devil fruit. The same goes for Luffy in G5. He negates Kaido's defense with his fruit(haki didn't help Kaido against G5, by the way). Thanks to the toon factor granted by his fruit, Luffy effortlessly resists advanced conquerors' hits from Kaido as if they were nothing. He also could grab lightining, become a giant and do whatever he could imagine. Once again, none of this was made possible by haki, but hey.... "hAkI TrAnCeNdS AlL"- Probably some loser who got low diffed by a half-naked samurai.
I think my biggest issue with Haki is just Conqueror's in general. Pre-Kaido fight it wasn't much of anything beyond an indicator that the person has the qualities of a king, but there's something about it (seemingly) being a birthright rather than something that can be obtained by the right people that feels off imo An Advanced form of it felt needed since it was otherwise useless in fights against non-fodder but idk why Oda opted to make it do essentially the same thing as Adv.Armament but stronger, RIGHT after we learned about it. Add the black lightning inconsistency and it becomes impossible to tell when someone's using Adv.Conqueror's or Adv.Armament, on top of the latter feeling basically pointless to Conqueror's users now
I really like you carefully sorting and explaining your thoughts on haki, even though I might not fully agree with every bit. But I think there's indeed a huge issue of ambiguity around haki which leads to weird headcanon and power scaling in a fandom that already deals with people obsessively cooking up the weirdest headcanon ideas because of all the mystery in the series. So really, videos like these are in my opinion a breath of fresh air in the community. Keep it up!
Admirals do not have Future Sight.. Just how they don’t have ACoC or even base CoC Smoker did exactly what Kuzan did in his fight against Law & Vergo Monet did the same to Tashigi And Luffy did the same to Casear None of those characters have FS which shows basic CoO is more than sufficient. Crocodile also did this way back in Alabasta. If Katakuri didn’t have FS he’d still be able to dodge attacks just like every other OP character without FS. He only uses it bc it’s more efficient. Ever since Pre-ts ended Oda hasn’t been asspulling haki. Either a character has it and shows it, or they don’t. We are 1100+ chapters into the story and Admirals have NEVER been shown predicting the future or seeing 5 seconds in advance. 78 year old Garp blitzing Kuzan, Akainu failing to realize Kuma was attempting to run away (Katakuri an actual FS user 100% would’ve predicted that) Cancerbeard landing multiple attacks on Akainu… Just doesn’t add up Everyone thinks that just bc Katakuri is a YC1 & can use FS really well that must mean stronger characters can do the same and that’s wrong. Oda specifically said Kat’s been training his CoO for over 40 years and has “sensitive CoO” Haki isn’t tied to strength, it’s about willpower. Why do you think someone like Kat has FS, while Big Mom doesn’t. Ace and Doflamingo are CoC users, Admiral’s do the Yamato & Zoro are ACoC users but Admiral’s aren’t Only Admiral that may possibly have FS is Fuji, bc his blindness forced him to hone his CoO to a higher degree than the rest of
You need to activate future sight, just like you have to activate observqtion haki. It isnt always turned on. Akainu was distracted so he propably turned it off IF HE HAD IT
Future sight (and normal observation haki) isn't always on, especially when you're not in control of you emotions and when Whitebeard snuck him Akainu was seething with anger
@@joeygamingnl2724 This was already explained in Whole Cake Arc when Luffy realized he could actually hit Katakuri because he was too enraged to use his Superb Observation. No idea why everyone's still arguing this.
My biggest issue i think is the weekly reads. When the volumes are released- esp the colored volumes- i find many of the “inconsistencies” we find visually w Haki to dissolve
The manga makes this extremely clear. BB never showed ACoc in the manga, cause until shown. He doesn't have it. Lastly, haki isn't a push bottom to win, it's always been portrayed to be a representation of a characters strength. Specialists like Garp are the only ones shown to use haki so well that it outright dwarfs dfs. Haki potency relies on the users strenght normally
@@itznub69 she wasn't tho, she didn't actually use ACoC until kid hit her with his railgun and even then she was only using it defensively for one single moment. If 1 ACoC atk from kaido can knockout luffy who didn't have ACoC at the time and BM is kaidos equal in strength then an ACoC atk would've knocked out kid and law who don't have ACoC either but that would make for a compelling or interesting fight so they had to sideline haki to make kid and law look better
@@MicaW4VE That version of Luffy was Kata lvl and Kidd and Law scale nowhere near Kata, where was it stated that Kaido was BM'S equal in strength? Big Mom is mostly a DF reliant person so yeah she only used ACOC sometimes
@@itznub69 that version of luffy would still scale similarly to both kid and law in raw durability and endurance. Big mom and kaido clashed equally with haki and split the skies, even if u argue kaido's hybrid form giving him an advantage big mom can enhance herself to be even bigger and would debatebly still be able to match kaido in strength and haki, so they are equals in that department. Even if big mom is df reliant We know that she has advanced haki, her inability to display it in her battle is Oda's blunder which indirectly makes big moms defeat less deserved knowing she has a power that was never properly utilized offensively within the fight itself. If she used it and kid and law were taking it and still going that's one thing but not using it at all is still bad for her image.
Big Mom didn't use it because of how much she looked down on her opponents, not because Oda forgot. That statement is "flat out wrong" to use your own words.
Did Luffy not just effectively full heal with MC superpowers when the fruit awakened 4:42. That is what it looked like to me. Something akin to the drug Chopper gave Zoro where the damage would get deleted until the time ran out and he would be suffering it all again.
Began by making a mistake, the black lightnings are NOT conquerors haki manifestation, but of armament haki, the only confirmed indicator of conquerors haki is the SOUND EFFECT, that is also described in the manga
Bro, how would white beard even harm akainu if he didnt have arm haki lmao. Akainu literally states marco and vista have haki and still doesn't get harmed because he separates his body into elements to dodge just like katakuri using future sight.
I think it's also the fact that Kaido was fighting against an Awakened DF user and we had already seen a few examples that Awakened DFs are on an entirely different level in terms of power. So when Luffy was stretching Kaido"s body it was likely causing more internal damage since he's not made of rubber unlike Luffy. Also Awakened Zoan's do get a massive Defense buff as well as seen with how much more malleable Luffy's body became to be able to tank attacks
Mistake number 2, gear 5 doesn't incremented Luffys Haki, but allowed him to use both armament and coquerors at the same time, AS STATED BY KAIDO HIMSELF
The thing is, ACoC has never been stated to have a non touching effect, modt ppl just assume its a better version of ACoA when its not. You can tell the difference between ACoA and ACoC ACoC (advanced conquerors): Tends to have really thick lighting streaks whenever a character is using it. Doesn't have a non touching effect like ACoA (advanced armament) does and always has the three explanation marks whenever its being used by a character in the manga. ACoA (advanced armament haki): Tends to have a barrier around the users specific body part or weapon(s) that's being coated and is actually stated to be able to damage an opponent or specific object. The only reason why ACoC is shown not making contact with an opponent or specific object is because characters can infuse both their advanced armament and their conquerors. If you want to debate and say this is false, many characters such as Kaido, Big Mom, Yamato, etc etc have used advanced conquerors and made contact with whatever their target is. Big Mom and Kaido had a conquerors clash and their weapons made contact. Thunder Bagau, Kaido's main signature move made contact with Luffy and Luffy himself even stated this when he learned advanced conquerors. Shanks and Whitebeard's weapons made contact and they had a conquerors clash, and theres more Incan state but I made my point
Luffy was not winning the fight against kaido even in Gear 5. Kaido ALLOWED Luffy to charge his final hit and mind you he was already nerfed by holding Onishigsma.
From what I learned, CoC can be used to create a an acrobatic directed nuclear bullet , it can be used to increase the strength behind ur physical capabilities, and u can suppress powers with it.
I think whenever the one piece remake gets to wano, it will clean up a lot of the confusion for when acoc or observation is being used, it will probably have consistent color differences or eye effects
I kinda preferd haki not being a thing as when it wasent then some fights hade a more creative solution such as in alabasta when Lufy runs out of water and uses blood to be able to connect, with haki it acts kinda like a catchall
I love how everything was discussed in this video. I have always thought that devil fruits would be the determining factor in the endgame wars ahead seeing how we have never seen the full capacity of what DF are capable of yet, especially with logias. I think haki is really badass and all, but at the end of the day these DF are based off of gods and mythological creatures with significant histories both in the real world as well as the OP world. It makes sense to me that Devil fruits are the most important powers in one piece
My personal problem with haki as a powersystem (and other similarly designed systems in anime) is that it feels flat out boring and incredibly uncomplex compared to others, like devilfruits and even OP technology. I think it boils down to the fact that it offers extremely little and limited "support" - which creates problems since "support" is easily the biggest and most explorable part of its trifecta with "offence" and "defence". It just acts as a check to "unfair" abilities and to create powergaps (although it does a decent job in those categories). What is frustrating is that this system seemingly based on willpower, can't be utilized in team efforts effectivly. My personal conclusion: Haki is a decent at best system that has difficulty creating interesting fights on its own. It has untapped potential but even said potential has a low ceiling. It is in a better or atleast equally mediocre position as systems that lack or dont utilize support (25-50+ % of ones favorite battle animes) or systems dont delve into their possibilities as much as they should (Quirks being the biggest wasted potential imo, as they could have rivaled my favorite system of the animes that I watched, if actual quirk science and analisis would have been done.) But it simply lacks depth (Ironically, my favorite anime powersystem is Pokémons, considering the comparison in the video).
quirks were devled upon but the POV dimished it. I like how peoples bodies were transforming as quirk evolution became more real but then shifted back to the heros. Sometimes my hero suffers from having the focus be the heros, specifically UA. I still feel Nen and Magic/ devil possession in black clover are the most grounded and efficient power system
The thing is i think Bigmom relies heavily on her devil fruit and physique which makes her weaker than kaido in terms of haki, and the advance conquerors clash where they dont touch probably is something that only happense a few times in a fight. Conq haki infused attacks are probably takes a huge stamina, so i dont think they can infused conquerors every attack. Luffy using in as soon as he learned it makes sense then after that they used advance armanent. And only when luffy is in gear 5 is he consitantly consuming conquerors haki as kaido said all luffy's attack is infused with conq when hes in gear 5. It explains why luffy lises so much stamina when in gear 5, i dont think just transforming consumes his stamina cause why would a awakening make you less in terms of stamina when kaido gets more in everyrhing after awakening. I am sure that conq infused attacks consumed so kuch haki and this explains why there is not a lot of not touching attacks, and explains why luffy gets so low in stamina after gear 5. I think if luffy can control his conquetor while in gear 5 hed last much longer in a fight
The creator of this video lacks plenty. If Oda said that haki is what conquers the sea even after Luffy awakened the strongest df. Why would you go against that?
@@worldbosspf1Well Oda has Kaido make the statement (rather than something like a narrator box) and characters can be wrong with things they claim. But Haki does seem to be the overall strongest ability if you could only have one or the other (Haki or Devil Fruit).
@@CJ-ct2mu If you have Kaido's devil fruit with no haki. You will probably be taken out easily by a Haki master. Evidence of this is Kid vs Shanks. While you can be at the top of the verse with Haki alone, example Roger. So no devil does not equal haki. Haki is supreme. Roger, Rock, Shanks, Mihawk, Whitebeard, all said to have the best haki.
One thing I see people divided on is the nature of Haki, on whether if it spiritual energy, purely willpower, or a bit of both, though this topic of discussion only ever really comes up in vs match up discussions
OMFG THANK YOU FOR TALKIKG ABOUT THIS Because most people don't even talk about this like that. I've always said to my friends, to reaction channels, to reviews channels, and no one seems to REALLY delve into it. They nerfed big mom bad in wano. She used it against ulti.so why not the people who are trying to kill her?!?!? ALSO I just hate how advanced hakiyl is portrayed in the manga and anime. And it's not cool it really isn't. I just hope after this 6-month hiatus that odas actually looking around and thinking of new ways to incorporate advanced Haki and even regular hockey. I hate having kaido versus Luffy kaido says oh Luffy is using advanced conquerers and advanced armament but you don't even see it. And I get that you can't see Haki in the show but for us readers I think it's extremely important for us to know what type of Haki is being used. Even with Kobe he used advanced armament hockey apparently the book say. But see during the fight it looks like Kobe has advanced conquerors on his attack too. They need to change the colors up and have one specific color per type of haki. It's a MUST and WITHOUT this change it'll make the story in the future EVEN MORE confusing. Because we can't even tell if Luffy is adding advanced conquerers on his new latest attack in elbaf called "gear 4 mini" and it had lightning coming off it. So does that mean that it's an ACOC attack? Or regular armament. It seems like Oda doesn't care about keeping up with Haki but for the rest of the show too not have a billion plot holes and have us and even Oda overthinking the fights... Because with one set color of haki for each one , armament, advanced armament, ACOC , ECT. Also they need to be more thorough with how we can tell when someone's using future site. Because this whole thing is like if in dragon Ball z Goku super Saiyan is purple then Vegeta super Saiyan is red and then Gohan super Saiyan is Pink and trunks super Saiyan is green my point is is that odor is changing up the color palettes for all of these different moments for One piece characters like how Zorro has green whenever he's using advanced form of conquerors. But Luffy has yellow and red for his advanced form of conquerors and then that confuses people because law was using red when he broke out of black beards attack and it just makes it look really sloppy on the animators and and even on the creators and oda. Like in dragon Ball z if everybody had a different type of hair color for their super Saiyan but they all mean the same thing (like Goku and Gohan having a different color for super Saiyan grade 1. ) it would be flat out confusing and that's what's happening NOW in one piece. Oda needs to change this Haki problem ASAP too.
Black lightning has always just meant a strong haki clash. A lot of the confusion comes from the anime making it synonimous with Conqueror's Haki. There are just differences between the anime and manga in how haki is represented.
@@worldbosspf1 we've seen the scabbards produce thick black lightning while using their "paradise totsuka" attack We Also see base Luffy having thin lighting while headbutting drunk hybrid Kaido even though we know Luffy is using ACOC during This fight
The only haki problem the series has is not having all the characters take it more seriously to start the series. Everyone on the crew should’ve been able to use haki in someway after the time skip imo
Big mom did not use advanced conquerors because it was not indicated the problem is that we don't know when they are using advanced conquerors or advanced arms as it is not indicated as black anymore but rather yellow or red sometimes which advanced arms also uses it as well
I like the haki system First time it was shown I was like, this is cool anybody can have it. Power is not reserved to a small group, with enough training one can obtain it. It's kinda fair. But yeah there is some inconsistencies with it .
Haki was being used from the start of one piece First time we see conquerors is within the first few chapters when shanks scared the sea beast away after losing his arm First time we see obversation haki is during Skypiea (they called it something else but reyleigh said they use obversation haki) Armament we see during marine ford
It's inconsistent, unoriginal, straightforward and uninteresting, especially in comparison with devil fruits. The only thing it has going for it is that characters mostly reliant on it has "aaauuura", which barely means anything and not even remotely enough to compensate how terrible it is.
haki is NOT better than devil fruits in any way as the other reply said✌🏽😭 bro commented “what do u mean” under a video explaining what the guy means💀😭
it's pretty simple really, haki increases stats, observation increases reaction speed and armament increases durability (conquerors increases all stats but only if u have advanced conquerors), this means characters with weaker haki can still beat characters with stronger haki by using devil fruit abilities or if their stats are higher than the haki improved stats of the other character, for example, hybrid Kaido (without using haki) has WAY better durability than someone like Vergo even though he has haki all over his body, devil fruits, race abilities, training and martial arts CAN rival or even surpass haki but haki can be used by anyone and is very versatile but that doesn't mean some random fodder with armament haki has better durability than someone with the diamond fruit, tekkai, a lunarian or a cyborg, whether a character has no haki or top 5 haki in the verse the conclusion of a battle will still be revealed by scaling their feats
Roger, Garp, Shanks and Oden are those non df user characters potentially can beat Kaido just using haki. If Luffy need his awakened df power just to beat Kaido it means he is not yet on the level of Roger, Garp and Shanks in terms of haki. 😂
Everyone you mentioned would still struggle against kaido even if they win it's not that luffy is weak it's that kaido is strong as hell except shanks and roger, garp and oden are not beating kaido at all... Luffy is the only character who has shown all types of adv haki he's definitely at their level but they have better mastery..
Honestly, I don't care since the last couple of arcs. Like, we're in a point in which everyone has to know haki and every important character most probably has conquerors, so for me they are just normal punches and kicks again. It's like it isn't important again, and I kind of like it.
It’s funny that saying DFs are good and haki isn’t everything has to be disclaimed as not shitting on Haki. OP powerscaling community go big dumb sometimes, and that’s y I’m a fan lmao
DF and Haki exist on the same metaphysical plane of existance, idk why people are saying that haki came to be only after devil fruits creation. Rarely does someone create one dimmensional power system
I always thought that conq haki is special thing in itself. While everything else every strong willed individual can learn hence all of em can use it. Also cong haki don work on relativly strong people as far i rmbr and mainly used to supress every weak person around yu, stronger your haki - more distance it covers etc but by itself almost useless in a direct fights
In my opinion big mom didn't use haki on law bc that fight was a fight of devil fruit mastery's,also big mom wasn't in danger or losing to her. She high-key got ringed out and haxed
Fr, Oda sensei just finish his thought of Haki later like around Shabondy before Impeldown, I mean he have been speak about it but not as a complete finish system like Newworld Saga. In marine fort he try to introduce the full system but it's still incomplete cuz he just has the real final thought around before Marine fort saga. ((That's why we just mostly seen people use around these Arc)) the reason that why he suddenly needed the create and finish this system to be full complete, because he need some system to debug with Lokia devil friuts which is the 3 admiral power. Then 3 admiral will be untouchable. This is the reason why Haki just only came often likely a little before Marine fort but it more than 300++ Chapters have past before that and the Scale of power of Broken down. Cuz its finish full system come too late. Even in new-world Oda sensei still make a "final real final really final Haki.png" its still not complete.
It feels like you're overthinking and reaching for something that isn't there. Admirals cant even use conquerors haki. Plus Big Mom has been shown many times to be mentally unstable and easy to catch off guard. She may not have full control of advanced CH.
can you make a video on fujitora’s strength like you did for greebull I feel like they downplay him too much like they do with green bull anyway great video keep up the great work
Kaido was using haki too the fight was desided by lufy’s devil fruit because kaidos haki was better then his so the only way he could win is by his devil fruit
It would be better to think of devil fruits as a weapon like a sword that determines your battle style while you're haki determines your will or drive I guess a devil fruit can be powerful but is determined by who uses it and how well while haki determines how much willpower and inner strength you possess
Devil fruit=hax and utility Haki=some hax but mainly the “power level” of a character. Oda should of connected the firepower of a df relative to the haki of the user IMO. This would’ve also added some more limitations to logia users since they are basically unlimited in their elements.
I dont think one piece has a haki problem. The main difference between devil fruits and haki is hard work. A devil fruit is a short cut to quick power, but haki requires hard work, will power, a dream and almost super human levels of deletermination in order to harness, control and master. Oda did a great job at slowly building up power levels by establishing one simple rule; the stronger the pirate, the closer they are to Laughtale. And since Laughtale is the goal for anyone with the dream to become a king of pirate, naturally luffy will only encounter more powerful pirates and marines as he gets closer to that goal.
Also the only admiral to use futire sight to dodge haki attack was akainu when bista and marco attacked him with haki but never was staated from the ither ones since logias automatically dodge attacks
the red sparks are buso clashes like how dofflamingo vs luffy etc conqueiors haki on clashes look diffrent look at roger vs whitebeard it shook the islands itself
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Are you dumb, Do you think Luffy would have won that clash with Kaido if he have acoc or ryou? The end of the clash literally show Luffy using advance armament to end the fight.
Bro wants to downplay acoc so bad when acoc literally have Shanks, Mihawk at the top of the verse despite not having a devil fruit.
Bro Luffy devil fruit couldn't do anything to the Goresia. Joyboy seal haki took all 5 out. Haki transcends all.
"Only haki trancends all!" said Kaido, who had the second strongest zoan and only lost because his opponent's fruit revived him
😂😂😂
It’s like haki transcends all then he fills his crew with as many fruit users as possible using smiles instead of personally teaching them haki
He never said that. The actual line is "only haki CAN transcend all"
@@Greg12839 basically the same thing
“Only Haki transenceds all” and “only Haki can transcend all” the only difference is the first one means that no matter how strong you are if you don’t have Haki your gonna lose to a Haki user which isn’t true because we have seen Haki users get beat by non Haki users they still both mean that to be the strongest is to have the strongest Haki
Second strongest zoan is a big strench when u think bout it
Just wait until oda reveals the HakiHaki no mi
Acoc acoc no mi👀
Shanks df?
And everyone is like "Oda is the Goat". HAHAHA he's just a sheep. Too many inconsistencies in his work doesn't make him the goat.
Shanks devil fruit
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It’s clear that the devil fruits r what Oda is most creative with. Haki is just there bcuz DFs need a counter
My thoughts basically
Yeah could have Just kept it at pre time Skip Basic "armament haki Users can Hit devil fruits" maybe give some precog with Observation and conquerers Just knocks Out fodder. But it Had to become "my haki bigger than yours so I Go more boom boom than you"
@@yorulaney8563ooga booga talk
@@yorulaney8563 Seems totally fine and makes perfect sense. "Haki" literally means will. Whoever has a stronger will wins the Haki clash. The clash of wills. It makes no sense to have a physical manifestation of will just cap out for no reason, that's sort of what makes it cool. It's why a character like Luffy can overcome a stronger guy in every way like Kata or Kaido. His will.
The real issue is a bunch of internet dweebs thinking they can make a better power system then Oda. Power scalers are basically cancer to fictional universe.
delusional. Katakuri turning his paramecia into a pseudo logia using future sight is one of the most creative application of a power system I have ever seen and it massively depends on haki.
The consistency of Oda's depiction of haki is headache inducing...
Really i think its the black n white. The colored manga makes it much more clear to me. Nearly every instance that people bring up for scrutiny can be solved w it.
@@biggimmicke For Advanced Conqueror's Haki, the only reliable indicator is the very large gap no touching, accompanied by a thick black lightning from the gap, and also the weapon/ hand of the user. Roger and White beard. Luffy and Kaido. Garp Galaxy impact.
Everything else with non of those indicator going forward we can assume it is not Advanced Conqueror's Haki unless mentioned or implied otherwise like when Zoro cuts Kaido case.
Unless it is clear, we'll have to assume it is Advanced armament (Ryuo) at best, with a bubble haki aura around the weapon/fist
But yeah
@@biggimmickehow do i read one piece manga colored😭😭
@@drinkwater.10 I think galaxy impact is more of an adv. armament haki attack rather than adv. conquerors but the anime version is so different from the manga version cause we can clearly see the lightning effect on the attack but in the anime it's a straight up nuke.
manga galaxy impact is the definition of untouchable blow😂@@SUPERRRRR-g2v
I think Kaido yelling haki above all rotted people's brains
People legit think that giving Roger a df like Ope Ope no mi makes no difference to his strength. Devil fruits are a clear upgrade on any person.
@@JT-km6th You're using a fruit anyone with a functioning brain would understand doesn't fit Roger
Heavily agreed
And Its funny cuz for kaido’s likely strongest attack he utilizes his fruit in the most unique way he’s ever done, bro couldn’t even stick to his own belief
Man i cannot agree anymore, ppl with OP df like bb is underrated bcz of this
For the Blackbeard vs Law anime fight Vincent Chansard confirmed he was never told to give Blackbeard “advanced conquerors haki” it was just an artistic choice to show Blackbeard’s armament haki infused with the quake fruit.
Now that just makes it even more confusing
My brain is gonna commit suicide
Then why is the lightning red like when Raleigh and shanks use conquerors? They both don’t have fruit
@@krashdummiez007the newer op animators are inconsistent and I don't know why they don't use red and black lightning for coc anymore
Wheres your source?
At some point I guess we all just missed luffy having to run away from smoker or having to use his own blood to fight crocodile instead of making his fist a different color
The thing is that Oda needed to create a universal way to deal with logia type fruits, bc needing to find the natural opposite of a fruit for every time that you get a logia type would be much more worse, you'd not be able to get anything aginst Kizaru or Akainu
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@@darkclown3586 he should have thought about before hand instead of writing in corrections later
One piece does not have a haki problem
Powerscalers have a haki problem
The best opinion I have heard on this topic
This is I tried to say before..haki system is kinda overrated they are infinite to used..no cool down or whatsoever😂
@@AnalyncaneWell it's been stated too much haki usage can kill a user stated by Zoro himself. Plus, Luffy can't use haki after using any gear 4 variation so it's def not infinite. But it's def inconsistent at times.
@@Analyncane It is stated during the fight with Katakuri that they can run out of haki, that's basically why Luffy could win that fight, it was an endurance battle
Honestly, the worst thing about Haki is how inconsistent observation haki tends to be. It reaches a point where you can sense people's individual aura almost no matter the distance and even predict the future... so how come none of them could find Vegapunk when he disappeared?
fr but sanji always hear a lady scream across an island. but vega punk screaming or even bonny crying doesnt alert him
Same with armament. I don't know if you read the manga so hear is a slight spoiler for Topman Warcury-
Luffy quite literally used advanced armament haki which bypasses defenses against Topman Warcury and somehow Luffy wasn't even able to scratch him. I remember advanced armament being stated to bypass strong defense like Kaido's scales and makes your attacks stronger, so how come that sh*t didn't bypass Warcury's rough skin is where I'm confused despite Luffy using advanced armament against him?
To be utterly honest, my favorite power system in one piece is the *super human* powers, like fighting styles and their techniques, it’s so cool and creative
6 powers? still just haki. the other 3 is when your body is pushed to its limits to say sky walk or throw slashes.
@izrael820 it's not all haki, zoro and sanjis techniques is not haki, asura and Jambe is not haki, the completely realistic not supernatural named attacks from like that monocycle guy under buggy and his techniques are not haki, miss golden weekends psychic paint is a complete stretch which is not magic in the one piece world, all of usopps arsenal of tricks, Frankys Sci fi cyborg abilities, the climatact powers, even divine departure can still be a sword technique without haki, and even devil fruit powers with unrealistic usage is creative without their needing to be devil fruits, like eustass kid making a magnetic plasma railgun Canon out of swords guns wires planks and nuts, like these things, conquest of the seas arguably, and even the 6 powers and 6 king gun could be stand alone without the introduction of haki, and also one of Don kriegs guys clashing Pearl shields and armor to make Pearl fire that ain't haki, Don kriegs armor, fish men biological water fighting techniques, all the sword styles, zeff and sanjis footwork abilities, I like these type of them most of all, the sky dials, vegapunks stuff, seaprism, beast taming like buggys dude, kuros claws techniques, different weapons like morgans hand, destroyer of death and all of kaidos and big mom's techniques are amplified by haki, but what I'm saying is the unrealistic realism is the best for me
@@Sanjen66Zoro uses haki and sanji has a modified super human body.
@@rinmartell2678 they’re techniques, styles, moves, named attacks are not Haki, they use it, and what about everything else??? what about cutting fire, or different people using bio electricity or somehow electricity? All the martial arts are NOT Haki, like Jimbes fishman karate slow wave. Anyway, they say Haki is armament, observation, and conquerors. Ryuo, mantra, Haki. Without these labels or even with them being erased, everything else is standalone. As a matter of fact, Haki would be majority unnecessary if you could already hit logias. Yeah. Every named attack, especially the ones that are random bullshit go, etc. I think one piece would be much better off without Haki as it is being so saturated, sometimes it’s too much coloured air and dark electricity on the screen. I think if they kept these toned down, kept it as mantra, Haki, and Ryuo, instead of making it the color of observation, or the color of the emperor, or the color of arms, or whatever, one piece would be much better off. If logia’s didn’t have Pokémon weaknesses and weren’t invincible otherwise, one piece would be better off. Or, if it were so less saturated, and used sparingly. And also Sanji breaking walls whilst bon clay pokes perfect holes in them, everything in dress Rosa, Mr 1s techniques, if they can be done with a sword.
One thing to think abt is that there isn’t a single top tier without haki and just uses a devil fruit. However there are plenty of top tiers that don’t use a devil fruit and have haki
The strongest ones always have both instead of only one. WB got the strongest title while Roger was on his prime and WB both had top tier haki and df. Kaido also got the strongest title later but he had a mix of both. Luffy needed a mix of both to defeat him. Joy Boy had prolly the strongest haki, but he also had the nika fruit. Et cetera
@@oevandrorealconfia4762 Roger clashed with him without it. Titles don’t mean much as we’ve seen in one piece, so my point still stands. what about Ryuma? No devil fruit ,pure haki ,and made the government scared of wano. Both are definitely important but swordsman are top tier without it. Overall in one piece there is no strong devil fruit user that doesn’t have haki
@@LegitFlames Roger clashed and still wasn't the strongest. Mihawk and Kaido can sure clash and fight evenly but only one is stronger, afterall all top tiers are somewhat equal to one another. And titles are for sure important unless you think defeating Mihawk is an useless step in Zoro's dream of becoming the strongest.
There are only a few exceptions where one is the strongest without a df, but the general rule is a mixture of both. Afterall Roger, Mihawk and Ryuma all have room to grow in power if they eat overpowered devil fruits
@@oevandrorealconfia4762 I agree that having both can make one stronger but that isn’t the point of the comparison. It’s saying which one is more effective on its own. Obviously having 2 strong abilities could make one stronger. And considering the fact that I stated earlier, there is no top tier devil fruit user that doesn’t have some sort of advanced haki
@@LegitFlames I'm just saying that's his point in the video. People generally tend to believe haki is the only deciding factor, as for Roger vs WB, Roger should win because of greater haki, when in fact things like df powers also play a role in deciding who gets the victory
Haki is the highest power, devil fruits can’t really do anything to the five elders but haki from joyboy can cancel their transformation
The gorosei don't have df's, atleast it hasn't been revealed yet.
@@naturalstrength8393 that’s true ik..but my point is norma DF powers can’t really defeat them, they’ll just regenerate, even Luffy in any another gear but 5th can’t even touch them but at least for now haki is the most effective way to get rid of them
Either way their transformations behave just like devil fruits.
@@samuelleblanc4331 Haki is not the highest power. ONE of the strongest offensive power without a doubt. Joyboy himself used G5. Advanced haki with awakening stands above all
@@davidortiz3094Joyboy didn’t use G5, gear 5 is joyboy incarnation. thst means joyboy’s base was like G5
My issue with Haki is how convoluted it is. For example, we can’t differentiate between ACoC and ACoA unless Oda specifically tells us which is being used. We also don’t know when characters are actively using ACoO/FS, and there are no clear indicators for either of these advanced forms of Haki.
Secondly, it has become a “CoC contest,” where whoever has the stronger Haki usually dominates the one with weaker Haki, removing the creativity from battles.
There’s also the inconsistency and unexplained Haki abilities. Asura is obviously Zoro’s ability, and it’s implied to be an ACoC attack, but we still have no idea how Asura fits as an ACoC technique.
I still think Oda can do some damage control since the series hasn’t ended yet.
in fact this was a problem with luffy vs kizaru we didn't know if luffy use advanced haki in his gear 4 and if we said yes then kizaru should also used advanced haki which are advanced armament and future sight and pretty good amount of his devil fruit power honestly i see he did use it against luffy gear 4 + advanced haki or how do you think he was able to shot gear 4 luffy with conqeuror and armament coating ?
I’m gonna be honest, Ive taken ACoC to be any time there is significant “trailing” of lighting in the wake of a blow. I highly recommend tracking down the official color manga bc they recently released the rooftop batches and it was significantly easier for me personally to understand.
As for future sight, Im currently going with it’s either stated or otherwise it’s “potentially future sight” like how Akainu and Kuzan all seem to have done a similar thing that Katakuri does- using FS to morph their body to not take damage from haki users (Vista and Whitebeard) so i always say they *potentially* have it, and never would say it’s confirmed
The diff cannot be seen in the fists or attack but if people arround faint or not & two conqueror Haki user clash they usually don’t touch eachother as the power make a gap between them like « Infinity » does
"Secondly, it has become a “CoC contest,” where whoever has the stronger Haki usually dominates the one with weaker Haki, removing the creativity from battles."
This is complete and utterly false lmao. Name a single uncreative major one piece fight using haki. There literally isn't a single one.
@@xanidydexidyall battles lol stop fanboying kid
Every major haki battle is just an asspull who has stronger haki wins which is clearly evident in the battles
Even tho Zoro had no devil fruit no advancements no cyborg thing no special ability but still won against king who was a lunarian can fly at high speed has fire power has insane haki that battle was a legit asspull without creativity
Luffy vs Bullet too Shanks vs Kizaru Luffy vs Kaido waa a whole boring ahh battle with yelling names and no creativity
ACOC is a headache. Oda is inconsistent with it, Toei is inconsistent with it. It's just a mess and should've never existed
Toei shouldn't be blamed for haki at all
@JT-km6th Toei takes some blame as well. They could easily come up with a way to consistently show when ACOC is being used instead of letting animators do whatever they want with it
@@kingjaylen9712 Oda is the root cause
The problem unfortunately isnt just with Toei tho they’ve shown it in different ways i think it was to help people’s conception of how haki works. It really is quite simple. ACoC isnt that complicated- it isnt just a sfx or necessarily the thicker lightning, it’s just simply when said lightning trails after a hit.
“ACoC” is a stupid fan made term. It is more accurate to say “Conqueror’s Coating” bc that’s literally what’s happening- Conqueror’s haki is simply being applied as if it were armament.
Kaido specifies that Luffy is using Conqueror’s and Armament which implies that Luffy is also combining his Ryuo training (which is why the anime has so many shots w cherry blossoms to try and convey “flow”) and imo that was purely to save Oda on ink for that part of the fight lol so as to not draw Luffy coated in armament AND lightning AND crazy G5 effects. G5 also just kinda makes things weird bc in egghead it just consumes his arc clothing but in wherever we are it seems to have merged w his outfit in some places.
I mean yeah, I dont understand between using Ryou and using Conqueror coating haki. Like I know both doesnt provide the same amount of dmg, but when Luffy used Ryou, he didnt touch Kaido, and once Kaido used conqueror coated haki, it happened the same thing.
I agree with you. People glaze haki too much and never take in a charcter stats. Example being fighting style whether it's swords or weapon of choice df, technology, fist ie garp or luffy combination with df. Kicks like sanji. Or the different karate styles Nor do they ever take in a charcters durability, endurance, strength etc. Alot of people heavily wank sword users and haki users. Above all others but at the end of the day all that matters are the two charcters fighting and what thier loadouts are. Great video btw.
Some people are really stupid to say that "Haki is everything".
The one thing about One piece power system is that it's not like other Anime. There is not one Single power System there are multiple Power system. Example - Haki, Devil Fruit, Weopon, Skills, Science, Genetics
This is what I really about One piece Power System.
Characters use a combination of these power system. And what really matters is that How Strong are they in each Power system.
Kaido = Strong Devil Fruit + Strong Haki + Graded Weopon + Oni Genetics
Shanks = Strong Haki + Swordsman Skills + Graded Weopon
Luffy = Strong Haki + Strong Devil Fruit + Battle Skills
Zoro = Strong Haki + 3 Graded Weopons + Swordsman Skills
Sanji = Strong Haki + Fighting Skills + Power of Science
I wouldn’t say Skills, Science, or Weapon really count as an entirely new “power” per se.
Arguments can be made for the Genetics in OP though.
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Weopon is a established Power System. Because weopons are classified between Supreme Grades, Excellent Grades and Good Grades. Zoro could've never beat King without Enma. So It just shows How much difference a Good weapon can make.
Same for Scientific Powers. But Scientific powers are just Underrated which It should not be. The biggest example is Seraphim and Franky, Both are cyborgs but Seraphims are clearly much much stronger than Franky. And in Future they are gonna become a Huge Problem.
Not to mention Joyboy Haki was Hidden inside a Knot, and That Knot is a Scientific technique.
Skills also matters a lot but that is also underrated.
And When it comes to Genetics, COC Haki is completely dependent on Genetics. So if you don't have a Strong Family, you can't have COC Haki. So Genetics is also a Power System on its own.
Raw Physical Strength also matters a lot. Weevil is a warlord only just because of his raw Strength. Or Burgess he ate a DF of Strength so on the basis of Raw Strenght He is the Strongest.
I'm just saying that If you really want to measure the actual strength of character, You need to look at much more factors than just Haki or Devil Fruit. And There is no Strongest Power System. Whatever Power System the character uses, How strong is he in that.
Haki is just a universal ability while devil fruits/weapons are the combat style
The whole "Haki transcends all" quote from Kaido was him just being mad because Luffy was toying with him. Most of his powers came from his Zoan DF which gave him extreme durability, be able to grab clouds to fly, control electricity to a degree, control fire that was so potent it could destroy a mountain, and the same fire was so hot that even managed to bother Luffy in G5. On top of that, his fruit gave him access to hybrid forms, which greatly increased his speed and power. All of this is WITHOUT counting his haki which he used to be even stronger, but he was mostly being carried by his devil fruit.
The same goes for Luffy in G5. He negates Kaido's defense with his fruit(haki didn't help Kaido against G5, by the way). Thanks to the toon factor granted by his fruit, Luffy effortlessly resists advanced conquerors' hits from Kaido as if they were nothing. He also could grab lightining, become a giant and do whatever he could imagine. Once again, none of this was made possible by haki, but hey....
"hAkI TrAnCeNdS AlL"- Probably some loser who got low diffed by a half-naked samurai.
I think my biggest issue with Haki is just Conqueror's in general. Pre-Kaido fight it wasn't much of anything beyond an indicator that the person has the qualities of a king, but there's something about it (seemingly) being a birthright rather than something that can be obtained by the right people that feels off imo
An Advanced form of it felt needed since it was otherwise useless in fights against non-fodder but idk why Oda opted to make it do essentially the same thing as Adv.Armament but stronger, RIGHT after we learned about it. Add the black lightning inconsistency and it becomes impossible to tell when someone's using Adv.Conqueror's or Adv.Armament, on top of the latter feeling basically pointless to Conqueror's users now
I really like you carefully sorting and explaining your thoughts on haki, even though I might not fully agree with every bit. But I think there's indeed a huge issue of ambiguity around haki which leads to weird headcanon and power scaling in a fandom that already deals with people obsessively cooking up the weirdest headcanon ideas because of all the mystery in the series. So really, videos like these are in my opinion a breath of fresh air in the community. Keep it up!
> “HAKI CONQUERS ALL!!”
> *is in hybrid DF mode*
> mfw
Admirals do not have Future Sight.. Just how they don’t have ACoC or even base CoC
Smoker did exactly what Kuzan did in his fight against Law & Vergo
Monet did the same to Tashigi
And Luffy did the same to Casear
None of those characters have FS which shows basic CoO is more than sufficient. Crocodile also did this way back in Alabasta.
If Katakuri didn’t have FS he’d still be able to dodge attacks just like every other OP character without FS. He only uses it bc it’s more efficient.
Ever since Pre-ts ended Oda hasn’t been asspulling haki. Either a character has it and shows it, or they don’t.
We are 1100+ chapters into the story and Admirals have NEVER been shown predicting the future or seeing 5 seconds in advance.
78 year old Garp blitzing Kuzan, Akainu failing to realize Kuma was attempting to run away (Katakuri an actual FS user 100% would’ve predicted that) Cancerbeard landing multiple attacks on Akainu… Just doesn’t add up
Everyone thinks that just bc Katakuri is a YC1 & can use FS really well that must mean stronger characters can do the same and that’s wrong.
Oda specifically said Kat’s been training his CoO for over 40 years and has “sensitive CoO”
Haki isn’t tied to strength, it’s about willpower. Why do you think someone like Kat has FS, while Big Mom doesn’t.
Ace and Doflamingo are CoC users, Admiral’s do the
Yamato & Zoro are ACoC users but Admiral’s aren’t
Only Admiral that may possibly have FS is Fuji, bc his blindness forced him to hone his CoO to a higher degree than the rest of
If akainu has future sight then WB never has to off guard him like people like to claim lmao
You need to activate future sight, just like you have to activate observqtion haki. It isnt always turned on. Akainu was distracted so he propably turned it off IF HE HAD IT
Its you problem who thinks observation haki is a passive ability.
Well Kuzan has it, we clearly see him move his body so he wasnt stabbed by a haki stab. Just like we saw Katakuri do
Future sight (and normal observation haki) isn't always on, especially when you're not in control of you emotions and when Whitebeard snuck him Akainu was seething with anger
@@joeygamingnl2724 This was already explained in Whole Cake Arc when Luffy realized he could actually hit Katakuri because he was too enraged to use his Superb Observation. No idea why everyone's still arguing this.
My biggest issue i think is the weekly reads. When the volumes are released- esp the colored volumes- i find many of the “inconsistencies” we find visually w Haki to dissolve
3:27 it was also shown in skypia, observation haki was shown, it was called mantra
Its been shown since atleast arlong park, usually referred to as "Instinct"
The manga makes this extremely clear.
BB never showed ACoc in the manga, cause until shown.
He doesn't have it.
Lastly, haki isn't a push bottom to win, it's always been portrayed to be a representation of a characters strength.
Specialists like Garp are the only ones shown to use haki so well that it outright dwarfs dfs.
Haki potency relies on the users strenght normally
agreed
I feel like the only in verse explanation for Big Mom not using ACOC so far in the story is because of her old age, unless Oda says otherwise
There is no in verse explanation, oda just wanted big mom vs kid and law to be a df battle and completely put haki on the back burner
@@MicaW4VE I changed my take to Big Mom def was using ACOC since it just makes the most sense
@@itznub69 she wasn't tho, she didn't actually use ACoC until kid hit her with his railgun and even then she was only using it defensively for one single moment. If 1 ACoC atk from kaido can knockout luffy who didn't have ACoC at the time and BM is kaidos equal in strength then an ACoC atk would've knocked out kid and law who don't have ACoC either but that would make for a compelling or interesting fight so they had to sideline haki to make kid and law look better
@@MicaW4VE That version of Luffy was Kata lvl and Kidd and Law scale nowhere near Kata, where was it stated that Kaido was BM'S equal in strength? Big Mom is mostly a DF reliant person so yeah she only used ACOC sometimes
@@itznub69 that version of luffy would still scale similarly to both kid and law in raw durability and endurance.
Big mom and kaido clashed equally with haki and split the skies, even if u argue kaido's hybrid form giving him an advantage big mom can enhance herself to be even bigger and would debatebly still be able to match kaido in strength and haki, so they are equals in that department.
Even if big mom is df reliant We know that she has advanced haki, her inability to display it in her battle is Oda's blunder which indirectly makes big moms defeat less deserved knowing she has a power that was never properly utilized offensively within the fight itself.
If she used it and kid and law were taking it and still going that's one thing but not using it at all is still bad for her image.
New vivre card just dropped. Garp is confirmed to have CoC and Blackbeard isn't listed as a user.
Big Mom didn't use it because of how much she looked down on her opponents, not because Oda forgot. That statement is "flat out wrong" to use your own words.
Big Mom literally chose not to use ACoC against Kid or Law since she used it to one shot Page One right before their fight.
so acoc is a shotgun that needs to be reloaded?
would be a funny meme,"wait i need to reload my haki first"
@@pipidudu2023 Who said that? All i'm saying is that she could have but chose not to.
Yeah they all sleep until they see Joyboy's haki sending all Gorosei home 🏠😮👋
People quoting “Haki transcends all” when Luffy’s fruit alone saved him quite literally hundreds of times
Did Luffy not just effectively full heal with MC superpowers when the fruit awakened 4:42. That is what it looked like to me. Something akin to the drug Chopper gave Zoro where the damage would get deleted until the time ran out and he would be suffering it all again.
lowkey no df user is tanking 500 galaxy impacts from garp or 5 from prime garp
No haki user is tanking 500 shock wille attacks or a bajrang gatlin so what's your point?
Even fodders tanked that fodder impact anyone who has kaido'z devil fruit is easily tanking them without breaking a sweat
Began by making a mistake, the black lightnings are NOT conquerors haki manifestation, but of armament haki, the only confirmed indicator of conquerors haki is the SOUND EFFECT, that is also described in the manga
The admirals don't have future sight im pretty sure, so its unknown if white beard was actually using Haki on his bisento
Bro, how would white beard even harm akainu if he didnt have arm haki lmao. Akainu literally states marco and vista have haki and still doesn't get harmed because he separates his body into elements to dodge just like katakuri using future sight.
6:19: Davinchi resolve custom title user spotted 🗣
@@xanidydexidy bro i ain’t even see this😭
@@Vertics_ Happens brother XD
Pre-marinford most logias were basically invincible, post-marinford most logias get chumped.
The relevance of this topic is at an all time high with the intro of Loki. Who will have a S-tier DF. 6:09
I think it's also the fact that Kaido was fighting against an Awakened DF user and we had already seen a few examples that Awakened DFs are on an entirely different level in terms of power. So when Luffy was stretching Kaido"s body it was likely causing more internal damage since he's not made of rubber unlike Luffy. Also Awakened Zoan's do get a massive Defense buff as well as seen with how much more malleable Luffy's body became to be able to tank attacks
Mistake number 2, gear 5 doesn't incremented Luffys Haki, but allowed him to use both armament and coquerors at the same time, AS STATED BY KAIDO HIMSELF
The thing is, ACoC has never been stated to have a non touching effect, modt ppl just assume its a better version of ACoA when its not. You can tell the difference between ACoA and ACoC
ACoC (advanced conquerors): Tends to have really thick lighting streaks whenever a character is using it. Doesn't have a non touching effect like ACoA (advanced armament) does and always has the three explanation marks whenever its being used by a character in the manga.
ACoA (advanced armament haki): Tends to have a barrier around the users specific body part or weapon(s) that's being coated and is actually stated to be able to damage an opponent or specific object.
The only reason why ACoC is shown not making contact with an opponent or specific object is because characters can infuse both their advanced armament and their conquerors. If you want to debate and say this is false, many characters such as Kaido, Big Mom, Yamato, etc etc have used advanced conquerors and made contact with whatever their target is. Big Mom and Kaido had a conquerors clash and their weapons made contact. Thunder Bagau, Kaido's main signature move made contact with Luffy and Luffy himself even stated this when he learned advanced conquerors. Shanks and Whitebeard's weapons made contact and they had a conquerors clash, and theres more Incan state but I made my point
Luffy was not winning the fight against kaido even in Gear 5. Kaido ALLOWED Luffy to charge his final hit and mind you he was already nerfed by holding Onishigsma.
From what I learned, CoC can be used to create a an acrobatic directed nuclear bullet , it can be used to increase the strength behind ur physical capabilities, and u can suppress powers with it.
I think whenever the one piece remake gets to wano, it will clean up a lot of the confusion for when acoc or observation is being used, it will probably have consistent color differences or eye effects
I kinda preferd haki not being a thing as when it wasent then some fights hade a more creative solution such as in alabasta when Lufy runs out of water and uses blood to be able to connect, with haki it acts kinda like a catchall
There is a special Manga sound effect exclusively used for ACOC attacks.
I like that clothes become part of the logia type
I love how everything was discussed in this video. I have always thought that devil fruits would be the determining factor in the endgame wars ahead seeing how we have never seen the full capacity of what DF are capable of yet, especially with logias. I think haki is really badass and all, but at the end of the day these DF are based off of gods and mythological creatures with significant histories both in the real world as well as the OP world. It makes sense to me that Devil fruits are the most important powers in one piece
My personal problem with haki as a powersystem (and other similarly designed systems in anime) is that it feels flat out boring and incredibly uncomplex compared to others, like devilfruits and even OP technology.
I think it boils down to the fact that it offers extremely little and limited "support" - which creates problems since "support" is easily the biggest and most explorable part of its trifecta with "offence" and "defence".
It just acts as a check to "unfair" abilities and to create powergaps (although it does a decent job in those categories).
What is frustrating is that this system seemingly based on willpower, can't be utilized in team efforts effectivly.
My personal conclusion: Haki is a decent at best system that has difficulty creating interesting fights on its own. It has untapped potential but even said potential has a low ceiling.
It is in a better or atleast equally mediocre position as systems that lack or dont utilize support (25-50+ % of ones favorite battle animes) or systems dont delve into their possibilities as much as they should (Quirks being the biggest wasted potential imo, as they could have rivaled my favorite system of the animes that I watched, if actual quirk science and analisis would have been done.)
But it simply lacks depth (Ironically, my favorite anime powersystem is Pokémons, considering the comparison in the video).
quirks were devled upon but the POV dimished it. I like how peoples bodies were transforming as quirk evolution became more real but then shifted back to the heros. Sometimes my hero suffers from having the focus be the heros, specifically UA. I still feel Nen and Magic/ devil possession in black clover are the most grounded and efficient power system
The thing is i think Bigmom relies heavily on her devil fruit and physique which makes her weaker than kaido in terms of haki, and the advance conquerors clash where they dont touch probably is something that only happense a few times in a fight. Conq haki infused attacks are probably takes a huge stamina, so i dont think they can infused conquerors every attack. Luffy using in as soon as he learned it makes sense then after that they used advance armanent. And only when luffy is in gear 5 is he consitantly consuming conquerors haki as kaido said all luffy's attack is infused with conq when hes in gear 5. It explains why luffy lises so much stamina when in gear 5, i dont think just transforming consumes his stamina cause why would a awakening make you less in terms of stamina when kaido gets more in everyrhing after awakening. I am sure that conq infused attacks consumed so kuch haki and this explains why there is not a lot of not touching attacks, and explains why luffy gets so low in stamina after gear 5. I think if luffy can control his conquetor while in gear 5 hed last much longer in a fight
One piece is biggest problem is reading Comprehension.
The creator of this video lacks plenty. If Oda said that haki is what conquers the sea even after Luffy awakened the strongest df. Why would you go against that?
@@worldbosspf1 joyboy mastered haki luffy didnt. Luffy couldn’t send back the gorosei to their normal form. Joyboy did
@@worldbosspf1Well Oda has Kaido make the statement (rather than something like a narrator box) and characters can be wrong with things they claim.
But Haki does seem to be the overall strongest ability if you could only have one or the other (Haki or Devil Fruit).
@@CJ-ct2mu If you have Kaido's devil fruit with no haki. You will probably be taken out easily by a Haki master. Evidence of this is Kid vs Shanks. While you can be at the top of the verse with Haki alone, example Roger. So no devil does not equal haki. Haki is supreme. Roger, Rock, Shanks, Mihawk, Whitebeard, all said to have the best haki.
Thats anime/manga as a whole not just OP 😅
i can tell who anime only fans and who reads and keeps up with everything haki has been explained very well
One thing I see people divided on is the nature of Haki, on whether if it spiritual energy, purely willpower, or a bit of both, though this topic of discussion only ever really comes up in vs match up discussions
"B-But Devil Fruit merchant! 😢"
Haki also takes alot of energy to use. So a person who can use it won't always be able to.
The Fact That Vertics doesn't accept that there are strong People that their Spiritual Pressure is enough for some frauds is next level Beainrot😅
OMFG THANK YOU FOR TALKIKG ABOUT THIS
Because most people don't even talk about this like that.
I've always said to my friends, to reaction channels, to reviews channels, and no one seems to REALLY delve into it.
They nerfed big mom bad in wano. She used it against ulti.so why not the people who are trying to kill her?!?!? ALSO I just hate how advanced hakiyl is portrayed in the manga and anime. And it's not cool it really isn't. I just hope after this 6-month hiatus that odas actually looking around and thinking of new ways to incorporate advanced Haki and even regular hockey. I hate having kaido versus Luffy kaido says oh Luffy is using advanced conquerers and advanced armament but you don't even see it. And I get that you can't see Haki in the show but for us readers I think it's extremely important for us to know what type of Haki is being used. Even with Kobe he used advanced armament hockey apparently the book say. But see during the fight it looks like Kobe has advanced conquerors on his attack too. They need to change the colors up and have one specific color per type of haki. It's a MUST and WITHOUT this change it'll make the story in the future EVEN MORE confusing. Because we can't even tell if Luffy is adding advanced conquerers on his new latest attack in elbaf called "gear 4 mini" and it had lightning coming off it. So does that mean that it's an ACOC attack? Or regular armament. It seems like Oda doesn't care about keeping up with Haki but for the rest of the show too not have a billion plot holes and have us and even Oda overthinking the fights... Because with one set color of haki for each one , armament, advanced armament, ACOC , ECT. Also they need to be more thorough with how we can tell when someone's using future site. Because this whole thing is like if in dragon Ball z Goku super Saiyan is purple then Vegeta super Saiyan is red and then Gohan super Saiyan is Pink and trunks super Saiyan is green my point is is that odor is changing up the color palettes for all of these different moments for One piece characters like how Zorro has green whenever he's using advanced form of conquerors. But Luffy has yellow and red for his advanced form of conquerors and then that confuses people because law was using red when he broke out of black beards attack and it just makes it look really sloppy on the animators and and even on the creators and oda. Like in dragon Ball z if everybody had a different type of hair color for their super Saiyan but they all mean the same thing (like Goku and Gohan having a different color for super Saiyan grade 1. ) it would be flat out confusing and that's what's happening NOW in one piece. Oda needs to change this Haki problem ASAP too.
Causing damage internally is the use of Ryuo but not touching and still doing damage is a Conqueror's haki ability.
@@Andy.Jimenez I ask u to go to the panel of ryou being explained which I put in the video, then tell me what it is
Black lightning has always just meant a strong haki clash. A lot of the confusion comes from the anime making it synonimous with Conqueror's Haki. There are just differences between the anime and manga in how haki is represented.
W analysis 🔥
Need confirmation when someone is using COC.
I'm tired of seeing
Any Black lighting = ACOC
Large black lightning = conquerors. It's that simple.
@@worldbosspf1 we've seen the scabbards produce thick black lightning while using their "paradise totsuka" attack
We Also see base Luffy having thin lighting while headbutting drunk hybrid Kaido even though we know Luffy is using ACOC during This fight
The only haki problem the series has is not having all the characters take it more seriously to start the series. Everyone on the crew should’ve been able to use haki in someway after the time skip imo
5:15 so luffy needed the revives just to high diff in a fight that wouldn’t go the distance if they both were fresh (luffy stamina)
Big mom did not use advanced conquerors because it was not indicated the problem is that we don't know when they are using advanced conquerors or advanced arms as it is not indicated as black anymore but rather yellow or red sometimes which advanced arms also uses it as well
I like the haki system
First time it was shown I was like, this is cool anybody can have it. Power is not reserved to a small group, with enough training one can obtain it. It's kinda fair. But yeah there is some inconsistencies with it .
Haki was being used from the start of one piece
First time we see conquerors is within the first few chapters when shanks scared the sea beast away after losing his arm
First time we see obversation haki is during Skypiea (they called it something else but reyleigh said they use obversation haki)
Armament we see during marine ford
Thumbnail is FIRE
what do you mean haki is awesome better than devil fruits
Devil fruits are way more interesting
@@JT-km6th in the ocean not so much roger,garp,shanks and others remember
It's inconsistent, unoriginal, straightforward and uninteresting, especially in comparison with devil fruits. The only thing it has going for it is that characters mostly reliant on it has "aaauuura", which barely means anything and not even remotely enough to compensate how terrible it is.
@@vampiranya9939 OK so do you believe that there are angel fruits as well?
haki is NOT better than devil fruits in any way as the other reply said✌🏽😭
bro commented “what do u mean” under a video explaining what the guy means💀😭
4:57 *was trying to scold his son.* not daughter.
And one more thing it is officially confirmed that gap has conquerors haki
it's pretty simple really, haki increases stats, observation increases reaction speed and armament increases durability (conquerors increases all stats but only if u have advanced conquerors), this means characters with weaker haki can still beat characters with stronger haki by using devil fruit abilities or if their stats are higher than the haki improved stats of the other character, for example, hybrid Kaido (without using haki) has WAY better durability than someone like Vergo even though he has haki all over his body, devil fruits, race abilities, training and martial arts CAN rival or even surpass haki but haki can be used by anyone and is very versatile but that doesn't mean some random fodder with armament haki has better durability than someone with the diamond fruit, tekkai, a lunarian or a cyborg, whether a character has no haki or top 5 haki in the verse the conclusion of a battle will still be revealed by scaling their feats
Roger, Garp, Shanks and Oden are those non df user characters potentially can beat Kaido just using haki. If Luffy need his awakened df power just to beat Kaido it means he is not yet on the level of Roger, Garp and Shanks in terms of haki. 😂
Everyone you mentioned would still struggle against kaido even if they win it's not that luffy is weak it's that kaido is strong as hell except shanks and roger, garp and oden are not beating kaido at all...
Luffy is the only character who has shown all types of adv haki he's definitely at their level but they have better mastery..
Honestly, I don't care since the last couple of arcs. Like, we're in a point in which everyone has to know haki and every important character most probably has conquerors, so for me they are just normal punches and kicks again. It's like it isn't important again, and I kind of like it.
It’s funny that saying DFs are good and haki isn’t everything has to be disclaimed as not shitting on Haki. OP powerscaling community go big dumb sometimes, and that’s y I’m a fan lmao
Oda has made one of the best animes in the world but some parts of the story makes no sense and its as if he writes himself into a corner
DF and Haki exist on the same metaphysical plane of existance, idk why people are saying that haki came to be only after devil fruits creation. Rarely does someone create one dimmensional power system
The fist thay took down kaido had haki on it. So it was a big factor to the guys' loss.
I always thought that conq haki is special thing in itself.
While everything else every strong willed individual can learn hence all of em can use it.
Also cong haki don work on relativly strong people as far i rmbr and mainly used to supress every weak person around yu, stronger your haki - more distance it covers etc but by itself almost useless in a direct fights
In my opinion big mom didn't use haki on law bc that fight was a fight of devil fruit mastery's,also big mom wasn't in danger or losing to her. She high-key got ringed out and haxed
Haki is the will, devil fruits are the dreams.
Fr, Oda sensei just finish his thought of Haki later like around Shabondy before Impeldown, I mean he have been speak about it but not as a complete finish system like Newworld Saga. In marine fort he try to introduce the full system but it's still incomplete cuz he just has the real final thought around before Marine fort saga.
((That's why we just mostly seen people use around these Arc))
the reason that why he suddenly needed the create and finish this system to be full complete, because he need some system to debug with Lokia devil friuts which is the 3 admiral power. Then 3 admiral will be untouchable.
This is the reason why Haki just only came often likely a little before Marine fort but it more than 300++ Chapters have past before that and the Scale of power of Broken down. Cuz its finish full system come too late. Even in new-world Oda sensei still make a "final real final really final Haki.png" its still not complete.
Another W vid like always man
Oda can't reveal everything right now, just you wait
Big mom did not use advanced conquerors because it was not indicated
That skypiea gear 5 foreshadowing is a reach lol
It feels like you're overthinking and reaching for something that isn't there. Admirals cant even use conquerors haki. Plus Big Mom has been shown many times to be mentally unstable and easy to catch off guard. She may not have full control of advanced CH.
can you make a video on fujitora’s strength like you did for greebull I feel like they downplay him too much like they do with green bull anyway great video keep up the great work
Kaido was using haki too the fight was desided by lufy’s devil fruit because kaidos haki was better then his so the only way he could win is by his devil fruit
It would be better to think of devil fruits as a weapon like a sword that determines your battle style while you're haki determines your will or drive I guess a devil fruit can be powerful but is determined by who uses it and how well while haki determines how much willpower and inner strength you possess
Devil fruit=hax and utility
Haki=some hax but mainly the “power level” of a character.
Oda should of connected the firepower of a df relative to the haki of the user IMO. This would’ve also added some more limitations to logia users since they are basically unlimited in their elements.
I dont think one piece has a haki problem. The main difference between devil fruits and haki is hard work. A devil fruit is a short cut to quick power, but haki requires hard work, will power, a dream and almost super human levels of deletermination in order to harness, control and master. Oda did a great job at slowly building up power levels by establishing one simple rule; the stronger the pirate, the closer they are to Laughtale. And since Laughtale is the goal for anyone with the dream to become a king of pirate, naturally luffy will only encounter more powerful pirates and marines as he gets closer to that goal.
Logia got too powerful, so we had to have haki to humble them down
Also the only admiral to use futire sight to dodge haki attack was akainu when bista and marco attacked him with haki but never was staated from the ither ones since logias automatically dodge attacks
We also never seen a actual paramecia awakening before either expect for katakuri but hes the special one
Doflamigo?
The admirals won’t be able to take out the gorosei and made imu ptsd trigger like joyboy haki
the red sparks are buso clashes like how dofflamingo vs luffy etc conqueiors haki on clashes look diffrent look at roger vs whitebeard it shook the islands itself
Stop being silly and understand when they clash together, the combined energy mimics the appearance of conquerors haki
I thought i wss the only one who noticed how haki spoilt power scaling in Op