Parks Talley - Killing a Hot Bee Hive
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2015
- Parks Talley shows one method of killing a bee hive when requeening or moving the hive to a different apiary are not available options. Filmed in Alexandria, VA on July 13, 2015.
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For those of you advocating saving the hive, there is one additional consideration. I was not interested in having drones from this hive spreading the nasty genes of this queen by mating with 'your' gentle queens. Given that the haploid drones carry only the gene of the queen, the drones from this hive would have certainly passed the nasty attitude to other surrounding apiaries. . . . Not a responsible behavior for an urban beekeeper.
Had I been in the country and had the resources to requeen this hive, I would have still had 6 to 8 weeks of my nasty drones visiting the local drone congregation areas, but in the country that may not be as much of an issue. In an urban setting it was not an option. As far as giving the hive away, I would have been giving away approximately $120 worth of wooden ware, frames, boxes and drawn comb unless someone wanted to pay $120 for a nasty hot hive . . . Doesn't make much sense when you think it through.
The purpose of this video was to illustrate one method of disposing of a large hive in a responsible manner, not to debate the the choice of disposing of the hive. I hope you find the video educational.
+Parks Talley
Thank you for a great video, and I know how to do it now if I ever have to. I love the "shoulda dones." I work with canine rescues, and the odd time, you get an animal that's so damaged that it would be irresponsible to re-home it. It's a gut wrenching decision, but the key word is "responsible." I know where you are coming from.
Hope your next girls are the best.
Take ur honey, wait until the bees kick the drones out and requeen over winter?
Thank you so much for this video. I have a similar situation, and I now know what can be done.
Their hives weren’t meant for us to steal from them. Maybe the gene comes from bees working day in and day out to produce honey to have it stolen thus having to continue to over exhaust the hive. Maybe it’s a way to adapt 🤷🏽♀️
Jane Doe oh shutup.
You did exactly the right thing. I hope other beekeepers with hot hives will see this is the responsible thing to do and follow suit. It seems a lot of keepers think the answer is always to re-Queen, but as you explain, the drones carry those bad genetics and those bad genetics trump a docile queen’s genetics should they breed.
Aggressive hives are caused by lack of queen pheromone and no brood to care for. Most likely he accidentally crushed the queen and he unaware crushed the emergency cells. With no brood to care for they all suddenly become foragers and guards. There is no way to breed bees for aggression. Bees die when they sting so aggressive hives die out.
Still your lips fool for you know not what you speak. Admonitions shall be handed to you like so many bowls of rice. These are the words of the Devil
Thank you. I’m sure you got a lot of crap for this from people who’ve never experienced a hot hive. I’ve got one right now and I want to thank you for this video.
I"m a big fan of euthanizing hives (even the brood), you can always grow more, but a bad batch can spread and you're not the only one enduring a bad hive, neighbors and anyone in their foraging distance experience that too. As a non-bee-keeping person who had to deal with a bunch of frustrated honey bees, thank you and I hope your future brood are calmer and plentiful.
I had the same problem several times and I found that dry ice worked well for me. Each time I became a prisoner in my own house until I could lock them in during the night so I ended up just getting rid of the bees entirely.
That's SUCH a great idea! Dry ice!
I have a tank of CO2 which I use to put to sleep (just sleep) mean owl-hives so I can cut them on the table saw.
Another way to euthanize them (and cheap is to use Ammonia Nitrate). You can get it in some ice packs. It burns nicely. It smokes like crazy and kills them if you let the concentration get high enough.
In Texas, if you simply seal them up (in Summer), they'll die in a few minutes.
Thanks for a clear & calm demo! Just one additional suggestion, which is that dishwashing soaps today have additives in them as well, touted as ”degreasing,” “longer lasting,” “scented,” etc. and many of these additives aren’t necessarily good for your garden. So now I use a true soap, like Dr. Bronner’s. Works fine for a soapy water solution for garden & yard use from offing aggressive bees to spraying plants, without the ammonia, etc.
You made a tough call but it was the right one. Felt bad for you to lose a hive. You did the responsible thing.
Thank you For sharing that technique. I'm new to bees scene & am trying to learn all I can, before starting my own hive(s). Guessing that wasn't easy thing for you to have to do... But I applaud you for considering your neighbors! Quite the responsible thing to do.
I hike and come across wild hives a few times a year. Thank you for being responsible and culling this hot hive so they don't breed and spread those aggressive genes.
There are no such thing as aggressive genes . A bee dies when she stings so nature naturally breeds them docile. When a large hives queen suddenly fails to lay due to illness the whole hive becomes forager/ guard bees as there is no gentle young bees or eggs and brood to care for. A queen in this situation simply must be taken out and replaced with a healthy laying queen. This rarely happens because the bees do it themselves eventually.
These guys are so brave, I think I'll stick to photography.
I see he's wearing what appears to be one of those 'Ultra Breeze' layered bee suits that are presumably sting-proof. I got one this year (2015) when I had to re-queen a particularly nasty colony. I've only had two years in 20 where I had cases of very nasty colonies that required re-queening, and it's not pleasant. Using excluders as he has will work, but I found it more efficient to just move the brood boxes, individually, to sites 15 feet or so from the original location - then in a day or two you can inspect those boxes easily for presence of the queen and after re-queening, move them back.
What we do in the Commercial field to stop "hot hives" is a bit different. But yes, we suit up in the Mann lake mesh suits (they protect us the best) and get ready to work. Since bees are in such shortage you really need the hot bees around to tend to the hive until your genetics are replaced. A CLEAN pump sprayer with Honey-B Health, mixed with Apiary grade HFCS and water together. We pump up the sprayer, SPRAY the inside of the hive entrance, then the top cover as we are lifting it, and all down the frames. This helps much better than smoking, and helps slow down the attacking forces. If you are not checking for superseded queens, than you will ALWAYS get a queen that emerges, mates with a bad set of drones or even some inbreeding there and it's the perfect storm. The JZ-BZ queen cages with a newly mated queen from a reputable breeder (NOT from Texas) should suffice and get rid of those genetics. I would stay out of the hive as much as possible until the genes are gone. Hives will also become very aggressive in the fall if their mite counts are high. FYI.
Thank you for your video, explanation, and decision. It’s a really tough choice to make, and you absolutely made the right choice. You made the call to protect those around you, and to keep the bad genetics out of the mix in the future. I’ve not had to resort to anything like this yet as I am extremely new to the craft, but it is a another tool and method to keep in mind in case things take a bad turn. Thank you for documenting this and standing up against the criticism. While it is a painful thing to kill a hot hive, it does nobody any good in the long run keeping the bad genetics around.
A much easier way would of been to get a tank of Co2 and run a hose to the hive. They would of all went to sleep in just a few minutes. Something to think about if you ever have this problem again. I do this when I remove hot hives from walls.
I essentially do the same thing but I use dry ice in an empty Hive body above a screened ventilation shim.
For those of you that asked about relocating this colony, I would like to point out that driving any distance to maintain one hive may cost more in time and gas than the honey it produces.
Can't you let the bees live wild, away from people? Is there more to it then killing them because you can't make money from the honey?
@@sol-leks6122sadly no, its still gonna spread the aggressiveness from the queen’s drones and theres a likely chance itll go to urban areas, im not an expert but i believe this is necessary
Excellent video! I had not thought of the method you are prescribing. Sounds interesting. As for those criticising and downvoting, I am quite sure 100% of them have never actually managed bees. Let alone a hot hive.
Hate that for you but it was a good video.
+628DirtRooster Of all the comments I read here, I see many trying to grapple with the ideas and methods of saving the hive. I just captured a what I already know will end up being a hot hive. I'm moving it to my brothers place, larger and way out in the boonies, its the place to re-queen and wait out the existing stock. I agree entirely with this video being next to potential victims and if in the same position would immediately have taken the same course of action and recovery of the existing frame ware. In reading your comment I always see the voice of experience and am happy you chimed in. It is a good video from a responsible beekeeper.
+628DirtRooster I am pleased you put a comment up. Some people just don't understand that these bees are not just mad they are insane bees with too goals in life to make honey for them self and to kill anything that stands in their way of doing that.
I guessed I missed something here? Why use the queen excluder to find the queen, if you are exterminating all the bees from that hive anyway?
Thanks for the video! It's a gut wrenching decision to have to destroy a colony. I appreciate you making that difficult choice for your neighbors' safety and for protecting those of us near enough to your drones to receive those aggressive genes in our open mated queens.
Once a deliberate assessment shows only one sensible option is left to you then done with dispatch a humane killing is your remaining decision and task. Could you dip the frames in the solution or does that damage the frame and wax you'ld want the honey and pollen but the not the brood, or does the shaking sufficiently accomplish the job? You used a blower would a UV light dispatch the brood comb any quicker than sealing them up and baking them in the sun? Very good consideration of the options and alternatives in your current circumstance. Thanks for showing.
I have never seen such silliness. It's a bee and bees sting. Let's build a colony 6-7 high and wonder why it's screaming. Next to a day car center. Bro. This is silly and bad for the bee business
I suppose if I didn't have a large tray like that., I could build a wood box then line it with a sheet of poly. Hope I never have to do this, but it's good to know how.
Do you not have an out apiary you could have moved them to? Wouldn't a saucer of petrol slipped in the hive in the evening have been an easier way of achieving the same end?
thank you for being considerate of the families and children its terrible to have an agro bees - I have requeened but i didnt kill the bees - just a question u have brood still that will hatch how long do u think it will take b4 the new queen starts laying and her calmer hopefully take over ?
+missy sparkles It generally takes 6 to 8 weeks for the bees from a new queen to replace the existing nasty bees
That was the responsible thing to do, and I'm sure if there had been other options, you would have considered them. Killing a hive should be the last option, but good beekeepers will do what they need to in order to keep disease or bad genes from spreading into the general bee population.
One thing that ticks me off is beekeepers that allow a weak or diseased hive to die from natural causes, because robbers, drones, and drifters will spread the malady into other apiaries in the area. As beekeepers, we have a duty to do the right thing, even if it's painful.
+George Norman Hear Hear well said. The only thing that can be done with piss hot bees is to kill them or at least kill the queen and her boy off to stop more bad hives popping up.
Anyone that does this is crazy
Thank you for doing the right thing.
Why would you not place the brood in another hive to hatch there?
They will then adapt to that hive?
the idea is to suppress the bad genetics
Taught the queen determined the hives inclination
For me it'd be heartbreaking to do that. That being said I've pinched the queen from some aggressive hives before. I have my bees to enjoy, I don't like getting stung because I showed up. If you wasn't close to a daycare center you could have placed a queen excluder underneath the hive and any virgin queens or drones would have been trapped.
I thought you can just Saran Wrap the hell out of the hives at night, leave them for a few days, and they suffocate themselves to death.
How do u find the queen in such a hive?
Move hive over at least three feet. Put new hive in its old place. Old ill tempered worker bees will go out foraging and enter new hive. Only new youngest bees remain at new site with old mean ruling queen where you moved old Ill hive. The hive will have lost all its old mean foragers and now gentle easy to find queen. Wait 24 hours to find old queen in hive.
I just had to do this. Makes me sad but it had to be done.
I have a hot hive and i love hot hives but i understand your situation.
just saw this. thank you for posting. We all want to save the bees but we do no one a favour as bee keepers if we allow nasty bees to thrive. Well done and again thanks for the info
I use hit hives for varroa mite control
I drowned my whole hive last night it was extremely aggressive so the lot had to go. I was told to just re queen the hive but I wasn’t taking any chances as I keep bee hives in my garden with neighbours surrounding so only choice in my eyes kill the lot. I just put a mesh crown board over the top closed the entrance hole and blasted the hose up and down the spaces between the frames and filled the hive with water to the top. Job done no more horrible bees 👌🏽
RIP
This is why I don't eat honey.
awwww I couldn't help but feel bad :( there was nobody around you that would have adopted them into their colonies?
I had hot bees and they rolled my other colony & stole their honey & killed their queen. So no, I don't think they would be good "roomies".
+Jax8002 gotcha.
Nobody wants them, they are too aggressive and dangerous.
Aggressive bees are not good for anyone, neither nature or humans.
Somebody call the police this guy just said he has a beehive right next to a daycare center. The fuck is wrong with this guy?
Does it hurt to be stung by all those bees at the same time?
+HCSO GAMING Have you not seen any of the killer bees on youtube. This type of bee would keep on sending more and more bees out to sting till all the bees are out on the path to kill. Would you want 20 bee sting your kids. hurt is not the word I would use I would put kill. Lets put it this way you would need to be taken to an ER fast.
So $120 worth of boxes was more to him than the lives of 60,000 bees, lol
60,000 aggressive bees have negative value, champ.
What a singularly ignorant and dumb statement. You are clueless.
Could have just pinched the mean queen and put a normal healthy one in.
you could have given them away
Had a similar hive but was fortunate enough to be able to move it to a remote area. It got a new queen. I never thought about the drones carrying on the bad genes.
Greetings and salutations! With pride swelling in my breast i will command a thousand angels to sound their trumpets in your honor! Kettle drums beating and cymbals clashing will announce my arrival.....the bees will sting the faces of your enemies and their children a hundred fold and four days. REJOICE!! REJOICE!!
why did you kill the bees and the queen? Was it doable to take the hive to a remote area and just let them enrich the earth in a place far away from humans?
Why you don't kill the quinn and you kill all the bee's?....😶🤔
He doesn't know how to requeen.
This is a stupid thing to do. Just put in a new queen. Killing the whole hive will ruin all the equipment. Hive beetles will start breeding in the dead hive feeding on the dead brood. Wax moths will destroy all the wooden ware. There have been ill tempered queen bees ruling hives since time began and its usually because she has something wrong with her body and suddenly not laying well causing all casts of bees to lose their current nursery jobs and switch to becoming guard bees. Just requeen. Ive been at this 58 years too bad i couldn't do it for you. Now look what youve done. Youve Bred hive beetles and wax moths to harm neighbors
Have you not heard, There's a Bee-Shortage?! ...and That Bees are Very-lmportant, To America?! This video is Extremely-Sickening, To me! I cried my heart, Out, Seeing those Healthy-Bees being slaughtered! :(::::::: What you should've done, Was vacuumed those bees into a Large-Container, Sparing their Beautiful-Lives, and Taken them to a place, ln the wilderness, Far, Away, From the city, So, They could live, Out, Their, Harmless, Bee-Lives, and Continue to Pollinate and Keep America, Healthy! ...or Sell or Give someone those hives, For Free, For harvesting, Honey, For themselves and/or others, Out in Country-Areas or Farms!
An experienced beekeeper would simply take out the ill tempered queen and put in a new healthy one. I've done it a few times. Killing a hive is NEVER something a real beekeeper would even consider.
This is the main reason why bee-keeping isn't vegan.
I think it's a lot simpler than that: honey is an animal product.
@@magicponyrides Not every bee hive which is used for crop pollination is also used for honey production.
@@TheFettuck Ah, I see. I figured you were talking about whether honey itself is vegan. I get you now.
Guess you had to do this? Do you not have any friends, fellow beekeepers, local bee club member that would come take it away? Not sure this will solve the day care next door problem with all the juice cups, soft drinks, candy wrappers, PBJ sandwiches....
Aggressive bees breed with local bee populations and make more aggressive bees. Yes he had to do this.
would love to have saved the ladies from you. i love the mean girls. those are the hives i have made into my breeder queens.
+MasterPalin
I'm glad you don't live near me.
+George Norman Me to.
me four@boo boo
In some places you can get a court summons for breeding angry bees. It’s not a smart thing to do.
Really is irresponsible to breed these bees too.
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para nada educativo este vídeo, una vez la mano del hombre atentando contra la vida.
There is always people that would have been glad to save the hive from extinction!
Those people are irresponsible. No one wants to live around aggressive bees.