These are not "The Riojan version of the human gods." These gods are unique to Rioja. Not all regions have seven gods. Some have more. It's just that they were all conquered by the Caelian Empire and that blurred a lot of lines. I started with the Vaslorian Pantheon not because the Riojan Pantheon is related to it, but only because it was the Pantheon I already had done. So I was using it as a kind of outline. But after that first bit of the first stream, I wasn't really worried about matching Rioja to Vasloria. If Rioja had 8 or 6 gods, that would be cool.
Matt, you may already be done it the saints, but it'd be cool to have a "saint of Tears" to embody theatre (representing the dichotomy of comedy and tragedy) or even for life/death if extrapolated with the idea that the world is one's stage and that a Riojan aspiration is to put up a performance worth remembering. That would tie together nicely with theatre where legends get to live on. Though perhaps the focus on living in the moment might clash with any quest for eventual permanence in the memories of their people. Sorry, just trying to chip in.
for a Saint of treachery, what about the Saint of Coins/mint/bank or Greed ,Saint Merlinus the Merchant. it fits with Riojan's distrust of the merchant guilds, and nothing speaks of treachery like the changing of coinpurses for one's allegiance for cowardice, what about the Saint of Opportunism, one who seeks to take the easy odds, seeks to exploit old wounds, and catching others unaware. what is more cowardly than waiting until tempers have died before striking at a turned back. if there were a Riojan version of Nike/Victoria would she be a goddess of fortune or bravery
Arrogance or something like it, self love sort of thing could also be under passion revelry etc. I think that you need to have both positive and negative concepts within each God's court of Saints.
Jeremy Clarke, Saint of Sophistry As far as anti-virtuous Saints go Austerity/Frugality should be in there somewhere. It would be cowardly for the wealthy to horde wealth instead of risking it. The setting's bankers would be here.
My head wouldn't stop shouting "Saint of Regrets" while discussing Riojan cowardice and I've never wished I caught a livestream and gotten to discuss with everybody so much.
I really wanted the goddess of love to be in love with the god of cowardice. When she exposed Folco the god of cowardice couldn't stand up to his brother Folco and so left the goddess of love. You then have his cowardice and the goddess of loves price shown in one story. He is also an inappropriate target for her effection.
After taking to heart the advice that players don't care about the gods of the world so much, I showed up to the character creation party for the first campaign I was going to run and was totally caught off guard when two of the players I had never ran for before--who weren't even playing clerics--quickly asked for a list of gods to choose from to decide who their character's worshiped. I had something to show them, of course, but it wasn't presentable at all, so I sat there feeling embarrassed while they flipped rather enthusiastically through my pantheon. An incredibly pleasant surprise!
To all the commenters complaining on not seeing the 3rd stream,THIS IS the 3rd stream. Its just mislabeled. Matt even says so in the first second of this video. And I watched this stream live on twitch, I guarantee you guys this IS the 3rd stream/video. Now please guys give Matt Colville a break please. The 4th one will be live on twitch tonight (25/04/2018) according to Matt, (barring any special circumstances) Thank you :)
Just spitballing if you don't want the husband wife thing coming up too often why not have treachery be the father of bravery and cowardice both who disagreed with his plotting but cowardice said nothing where as bravery spoke and lost her family
I feel like the cost to Taslia might have been an eye. A Goddess of bravery and violence, with a distinctive disfigurement, earned as a result of a violent clash following an act of of bravery makes perfect sense to me. Especially with all the duelists and pirates in Rioja, I can totally picture the people who particularly embody Taslia's virtues losing eyes, and getting radical scars, and wearing them as symbols of pride and dramatic reminders of their dashing deeds!
Very sad that the fourth stream has been lost, it was really great and included a lot of work on the factions and districts of Capital. I'm in the midst of developing the massive coastal city-state that is central to my upcoming campaign, and I really wish it were around as a resource! Not to sound whiny, very appreciative of the opportunity to observe your process, Matt!
I feel as if Donisa ought to be Lady of the Dead. It fits with fate and fortune; and her being the custodian of her own husband's soul has a very Riojan sense of drama to it.
Thanks for your company during the creation of my pantheon! Our system is different, but getting to hear the way your brain works, made me question and understand how mine does. Keep going like that
A point about the saints of cowardice if I may, I'd suggest removing fear as a saint. All of the other saints there resonate feelings of fear already. Sloth, you are fearful of failure or exertion so you chose not to act instead. You hide behind the law or shadows because you fear the consequences of acting openly or what you have already done. Poisons, you fear defeat in a fair fight. Silence can't stand up for what you believe. ExpressionAmidstCacophony had the suggestion in a comments earlier about a saint for bribery and extortion which I think would be great addition or even a replacement for fear.
Colville you beautiful bearded man. I was just thinking I need something D&D to listen to while working on my own world cultures and your video was posted. You are a saint.
A cool saint of cowardice would be CROWDS. Standing in a crowd and letting somebody else do the job, or ganging up on somebody instead of approaching them with a reasonable force.
Do it. Next game you play in, draw up one and bring a fully fleshed out character to the table just by way of being your stereotypical Riojan. Steal the limelight. Fall in love. Speak your mind and draw your steel.
I really liked the idea of using phrases or pearls of wisdom to help flesh out a culture. I've got a new game set in a township that's on the outer reaches of an Empire. The Empire lets them function autonomously (mainly because they just don't have the resources to quash any rebellions that far out), but the people of the town (I've called it Pritton) are actively disinterested in the Empire. They are druidic/barbarian types, heavily in tune with nature, lots of buildings made out of trees and wood instead of more permanent structures made of stone. They're very old in terms of culture and they have a saying I stole from Lao Tzu that I think sums up their attitude towards empire perfectly. "The world is a sacred vessel that cannot be changed. He who changes it will destroy it. He who seizes it will lose it." In their minds, all empires are destined to fall and it's only a matter of time until this one does too.
It'd be very cool to play a character in this world who'd aspire to be a saint. Even secretly. Knowing that it's a Herculean (quite literally based off the Disney movie) task, but still trying to find a new piece of the domain to cover.
I find it really interesting that you reference nobility having to look wealthy even when they are not. There's this really famous Spanish book called "Lazarillo de Tormes", a picaresque novella, in which a roguish poor man goes around serving different masters, one of which was an impoverished nobleman who, even though he manage to earn enough for a meal a day, still refused to do manual labour, as that wasn't noble. This apparently wasn't an extraordinary case in lower nobility. Good job, really.
Hi Matt, I hope you read this and it helps in some way Listening to you think about law in the Riojan culture brought to my mind the concept of Omerta. A code of honor originated in southern Italy. It goes something like this : "Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without the law is both. It is as cowardly to betray an offender to justice, as it is not to avenge an injury with violence. If I live I will bring vengeance upon you, if I die you are forgiven." I have to thank you for keeping me company while I work. Being a comic artist is sometimes a very lonely endeavor.
My favorite Pantheon belongs to the Klingon's. In case you don't know, the ancient Klingons killed their gods because they were more trouble than they were worth. Yeah, I know this is 3 years late, but I've just found Matt's channel and I'm really liking it.
I would suggest the saint of Tears for theatre (comedy and tragedy) or for life/death. Or "the saint of many faces". And the saint of thorns for vengeance.
Matt's Rival is, of course, Matt. Before long, they will both be DMing a popular D&D livestream on twitch. They'll be bragging to each other about viewer counts for years to come.
I'm a huge fan of just mentioning saints or mythical heroes, but not actually fleshing them out beyond surface details about their deeds. That way I can fill in the gaps for story appropriate stuff down the road.
I would love a campaign where Vasloria invades and conquers the armies and governments of Rioja, and the players spend a lot of time with Riojan culture as they overthrow the invaders - "A government can be conquered, but a people's spirit lives forever".
If I follow Colville's train of thoughts correctly, I think that there shouldn't be a saint of greed, since greed would be a shape that cowardice take in their eyes! "You gained this huge fortune and you should have been [brave with it/owned up to it] and given it away [charitable, showed everyone your wealth] but instead you tried to sit on it and hide it [fearfully holding onto something that comes and goes], you sir are a coward!"
Way out of date, but I loved being in this stream, and I want to record down an idea of a saint I had; The Saint of Sorcery, underneath the Goddess of Fate. I love the idea that the archetypal mage of Rioja is the born-lucky Wild Sorcerer, favoured of Fate.
Haven't had a chance to check out the latest on twitch, but I was thinking that instead of blood and scars, it could be Sacrifice. As the goddess of bravery herself had to make one in order to keep true to herself. Scars and wounds could then be seen as the sacrifice one must make for violence, bravery, and glory.
Sekhmet, Athena, Nerio, Pakhet, The Morrigan, Agrona, Freyja, Valkyries, Andraste etc A war goddess is about as edgy as a politic speech at the Oscars.
13:25 Seeing as the Riojans highly symbolize the wheel, I think the saying of two sides to the same coin would be stated differently. Something like, Opposite ends of the same wheel.
Yes, sometimes we are on top, other times at the bottom, but the wheels keeps turning nonetheless and no matter how much we struggle against it, we are all equally responsible for its movement.
Whenever Matt references "the wheel of fortune" I can't help but quietly do the chant from the game show. I'm aware the phrase predates the show, but its reflexive.
Question - Do the Riojans value Knowledge? Do they value it for the advantage it can provide? Do they have a fascination with history (Pablo the Golden died in the most dramatic of ways, and everyone always remembers him!)? Do they have a Saint of Crafting, Learning, etc? They love to Explore! It is dramatic, romantic, and dangerous. What of the exploration of the mind? Perhaps they think lesser of the learned because they dare to think themselves explorers, but they never went anywhere or did anything to be remembered?
1. I kept thinking of Romo and Juliet during this. How would the Riojans view it? Obviously they'd love the star-crossed lovers, the duels, and rivalry. What about the poison, since they view that as bad? And how do they view suicide (the ending)? Is suicide "cowardice" or "bravery"? 2. Definitely need a saint of unrequited love. Cyrano? Sydney Cotton? Quasimodo? Probably too common of names, but you get the idea. Someone like Sydney Cotton could also fall under Bravery. Maybe something like a saint of lost causes? Would that be the saint of fools?
I really like the idea of maybe once your cleric or paladin gets up to epic level, they are elevated to sainthood by their deity and somewhat immortalized in that way. Saints are mortals who walk the world closely embodying their god so I think it would be a really cool "reward" to a player to be like hey your cleric is now a saint and part of the history of this world.
Maybe a saint of doubt, whether it is self-doubt or planting the seed of doubt in others. Its that great like from David Tennant as Doctor 10, "doesn't she look tired to you." He brought down a PM with 6 words.
i don't know about other players, but i personally LOVE getting into the backstory of the deities in my games. not to sound trolly, which i can at times. this series is a great example of how to build a very solid background for a long campaign, i enjoyed it, regardless if it was a little dry. I was wondering if Coleville ever builds worlds of high magic where the gods are actual beings and the world was placed there for a purpose, or are they all these types of atheistic humanist worlds? also, who in their right minds would WANT to live in rioja? they sound like the most self-destructive, inflammatory, backwards culture ever - not unlike medieval florence. how do they stay incorporated?
A possibility, Traps as an aspect of one of the saints, it's poetic like Blades, and traps are inherently based on scheming and planning, they can never be spontaneous. even an improvised ambush has to have a brief scheme.
59:30ish. Litigiousness I think is what you are trying to think of. Historically as cultures become more stable people move from using armies to using lawyers to fight their battles and Riojan's value and honor a straight up fight over such tactics.
Hey Matt, are you planning on uploading the other streams to UA-cam as well when you have some more time on your hands? For anyone else reading this and looking for the other streams, they can all be found on twitch for the time they're not up here yet.
That the saint of patience goes under the god of treachery is clear proof to me that Colville is a genius of characterization. How many cultures do you know that villanize patience?
In defence of English pronunciation we would only say marKiss if the subject is British, e.g. "marKiss of Queensbury" but use the correct pronunciation for a foreign subject e.g "marKey de Sade"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margrave has a list of translations into various languages. Also, margravia / marchesa (from Margrave) is perfect since they defend the borderlands...
There should be a better god of cowardice. Cowardice can be a very good thing. It is the thing that keeps civilians and non-combatants alive when they shouldn't have to die in some conflict between powers, or for vanity or greed or honour. A society that does not wish to be eliminated simply because their leaders lost a war should praise cowardice.
The Greatcoats series has a really similar universe to the one you are building. You should definitely check it out; it is a really good 3 musketeers analog.
I feel like when you were talking about Cowardice you were tiptoeing around Procrastination, but never actually touched it. instead you ended up on Sloth. I feel like what you were trying to get at was the "Putting things off for later. Being a coward by not acting."
The idea that none of your players have ever engaged with gods is fascinating to me. I've always found gods in the games I play in and their involvement in things rather interesting, particularly in the terms of the relationship between God and Follower, and which is dependent on which. Ironically I've never played a cleric though.
For Paolo, the Lawyer, calling him the Saint of Litigation would also be appropriate. Perhaps as a duality? He governs those who hide behind the law but also those who use the legal system when their blade would be more appropriate
If cowardice is the opposite of bravery, and cowardice is neglecting to fulfill one's duties, then why should bravery and violence be intertwined? Should bravery not instead be demonstrated by fulfilling one's duties?
Sorry I'm a few months late to the party on this one. I think what you were looking for in treachery might have been a saint of grudges. Patiently biding one's time and scheming in secret against someone you dislike rather than just coming out and confronting them head-on. Seems like grudges encapsulates that notion. A saint who bears an eternal grudge and encourages others to harbor resentment and grudges toward others. So maybe not necessarily the saint of patience, but the saint of grudges whose title is "the Patient."
Would Dionisa be the saint of Courtesans or Prostitues or would that be under love and passion? The two concepts don't necessarily have to go together think of the Mistresses of Louis XVI; they were well born, educated women that were looking to elevate their status. Many of them were patrons of the arts and ran salons to promote artists/musicians that they favored.
Maybe Tasila was betrothed to the god of cowardice and went belly up to his dad or helped his dad, Folco, escape before he could go to prison and the live in "banishment" or hell.
I'm at 54:40 and the idea just came to me. 'Im not telling you how to do your work, you obviously do it better. Could Envy and Jealousy be under Cowardice rather than treachery?
What if there was a Saint of Law because Riojans felt that it would be considered a failure if they had to resort to using the law to settle their disagreements, and that it is more honorable to settle your disputes yourself.
Matthew Colville Are you going to release these documents? Sorry if you've answered this already. I've actually only had time to watch the first stream so far.
This is great stuff. I would definitely play a College of Swords Bard in this setting. Hmm. Maybe a Tiefling College of Swords Bard. That being said, I think I might have a hard time adapting stock DnD modules that to the setting since it has such a distinctly Italian flavor. Most classic modules feel like they take place in England or Germany. Anywho, I can't wait to see where you take this. As a KS backer, I feel like I am already getting returns on my small investment. Thank you, sir.
What about nonbinary or trans identities in the setting? I think that androgyny and other types of expression could be fitting in a more artistic expressive type culture. Something kinda like how Native Americans have a "two-spirit" gender and such. I'd love to see your take on these and whether or not they would fit! Thanks for your continued content, Matt! Really helps with my games and furthering myself as a DM
I specially liked the name for the goddess of Love because of this song about a guy that fell in love with a woman named Maura, she abandoned him and he didn't took it very well: /watch?v=7QmJyqoE4fs
Hi i started watching your videos a couple days ago and starting to get interested in this world. I am by the 20th video of the running the game series and have downloaded the rulebooks and the other stuff to start learning, but i have a doubt that i don't know if you have explained yet. How do you manage when the group separates ,in a city for example, for any reason and one person achieves some information or happens a roleplaying scene that the rest of the group shouldn't watch? Or for example if in a city there are multiple quests and part of the group wants to go to one dungeon or location and the other part to another?
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These are not "The Riojan version of the human gods." These gods are unique to Rioja. Not all regions have seven gods. Some have more. It's just that they were all conquered by the Caelian Empire and that blurred a lot of lines.
I started with the Vaslorian Pantheon not because the Riojan Pantheon is related to it, but only because it was the Pantheon I already had done. So I was using it as a kind of outline.
But after that first bit of the first stream, I wasn't really worried about matching Rioja to Vasloria. If Rioja had 8 or 6 gods, that would be cool.
Matt, you may already be done it the saints, but it'd be cool to have a "saint of Tears" to embody theatre (representing the dichotomy of comedy and tragedy) or even for life/death if extrapolated with the idea that the world is one's stage and that a Riojan aspiration is to put up a performance worth remembering. That would tie together nicely with theatre where legends get to live on.
Though perhaps the focus on living in the moment might clash with any quest for eventual permanence in the memories of their people.
Sorry, just trying to chip in.
for a Saint of treachery, what about the Saint of Coins/mint/bank or Greed ,Saint Merlinus the Merchant. it fits with Riojan's distrust of the merchant guilds, and nothing speaks of treachery like the changing of coinpurses for one's allegiance
for cowardice, what about the Saint of Opportunism, one who seeks to take the easy odds, seeks to exploit old wounds, and catching others unaware. what is more cowardly than waiting until tempers have died before striking at a turned back.
if there were a Riojan version of Nike/Victoria would she be a goddess of fortune or bravery
I'm surprised that diplomacy and diplomats were not considered for cowardice. People who use words and not actions.
Arrogance or something like it, self love sort of thing could also be under passion revelry etc. I think that you need to have both positive and negative concepts within each God's court of Saints.
Jeremy Clarke, Saint of Sophistry
As far as anti-virtuous Saints go Austerity/Frugality should be in there somewhere. It would be cowardly for the wealthy to horde wealth instead of risking it. The setting's bankers would be here.
My head wouldn't stop shouting "Saint of Regrets" while discussing Riojan cowardice and I've never wished I caught a livestream and gotten to discuss with everybody so much.
MonarchsFactory I emailed this to my grandma, just saying.
I really wanted the goddess of love to be in love with the god of cowardice. When she exposed Folco the god of cowardice couldn't stand up to his brother Folco and so left the goddess of love. You then have his cowardice and the goddess of loves price shown in one story. He is also an inappropriate target for her effection.
literally same , i think the same happened when i watched this video first over a year ago lol
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Shout out to the guy in chat who said 'Dishonesty Dialogue: "The weight of thy honor is no heavier than a shadow".' Heck yes.
After taking to heart the advice that players don't care about the gods of the world so much, I showed up to the character creation party for the first campaign I was going to run and was totally caught off guard when two of the players I had never ran for before--who weren't even playing clerics--quickly asked for a list of gods to choose from to decide who their character's worshiped. I had something to show them, of course, but it wasn't presentable at all, so I sat there feeling embarrassed while they flipped rather enthusiastically through my pantheon. An incredibly pleasant surprise!
To all the commenters complaining on not seeing the 3rd stream,THIS IS the 3rd stream. Its just mislabeled. Matt even says so in the first second of this video. And I watched this stream live on twitch, I guarantee you guys this IS the 3rd stream/video. Now please guys give Matt Colville a break please. The 4th one will be live on twitch tonight (25/04/2018) according to Matt, (barring any special circumstances) Thank you :)
Ooooh that "scar a coward" line is so good. Might steel it...
This is the third stream just mislabeled. 4th stream will be on tonight.
Do you know what time?
Not sure I think he starts at 6 pm Pacific usually.
What does he stream on? Username?
FOBsessed Cam MattColville on twitch
I do love the authenticity of his work. Its nice to see him just do his thing rather than try and placate the masses.
Just spitballing if you don't want the husband wife thing coming up too often why not have treachery be the father of bravery and cowardice both who disagreed with his plotting but cowardice said nothing where as bravery spoke and lost her family
Nice.
I feel like the cost to Taslia might have been an eye. A Goddess of bravery and violence, with a distinctive disfigurement, earned as a result of a violent clash following an act of of bravery makes perfect sense to me. Especially with all the duelists and pirates in Rioja, I can totally picture the people who particularly embody Taslia's virtues losing eyes, and getting radical scars, and wearing them as symbols of pride and dramatic reminders of their dashing deeds!
Aha! Especially now that there is a Saint of Blood, Wounds, and Scars!
Very sad that the fourth stream has been lost, it was really great and included a lot of work on the factions and districts of Capital. I'm in the midst of developing the massive coastal city-state that is central to my upcoming campaign, and I really wish it were around as a resource!
Not to sound whiny, very appreciative of the opportunity to observe your process, Matt!
I feel as if Donisa ought to be Lady of the Dead.
It fits with fate and fortune; and her being the custodian of her own husband's soul has a very Riojan sense of drama to it.
Fuck that's cool. +1!
Omg yes
Defintely gives her an Isis feel.
thats cool af
Thanks for your company during the creation of my pantheon!
Our system is different, but getting to hear the way your brain works, made me question and understand how mine does.
Keep going like that
A point about the saints of cowardice if I may, I'd suggest removing fear as a saint. All of the other saints there resonate feelings of fear already. Sloth, you are fearful of failure or exertion so you chose not to act instead. You hide behind the law or shadows because you fear the consequences of acting openly or what you have already done. Poisons, you fear defeat in a fair fight. Silence can't stand up for what you believe.
ExpressionAmidstCacophony had the suggestion in a comments earlier about a saint for bribery and extortion which I think would be great addition or even a replacement for fear.
Colville you beautiful bearded man. I was just thinking I need something D&D to listen to while working on my own world cultures and your video was posted.
You are a saint.
A cool saint of cowardice would be CROWDS. Standing in a crowd and letting somebody else do the job, or ganging up on somebody instead of approaching them with a reasonable force.
Myself that's a really good idea!
I just want to play a Riohan Swashbuckler.
Do it. Next game you play in, draw up one and bring a fully fleshed out character to the table just by way of being your stereotypical Riojan. Steal the limelight. Fall in love. Speak your mind and draw your steel.
John Cameron this man thinks like a Riojan. I would be proud to run d&d for a man half as dedicated as yourself!
I really liked the idea of using phrases or pearls of wisdom to help flesh out a culture. I've got a new game set in a township that's on the outer reaches of an Empire.
The Empire lets them function autonomously (mainly because they just don't have the resources to quash any rebellions that far out), but the people of the town (I've called it Pritton) are actively disinterested in the Empire. They are druidic/barbarian types, heavily in tune with nature, lots of buildings made out of trees and wood instead of more permanent structures made of stone.
They're very old in terms of culture and they have a saying I stole from Lao Tzu that I think sums up their attitude towards empire perfectly. "The world is a sacred vessel that cannot be changed. He who changes it will destroy it. He who seizes it will lose it." In their minds, all empires are destined to fall and it's only a matter of time until this one does too.
Saint Bonfigliolo, the Giver: Saint of Mercy, patron saint of thieves.
That's wierd, I've always been interested in the Gods of D&D and am always trying to get them involved in our campaign one way or another.
It'd be very cool to play a character in this world who'd aspire to be a saint. Even secretly. Knowing that it's a Herculean (quite literally based off the Disney movie) task, but still trying to find a new piece of the domain to cover.
Awesome profile pic i love adventure
Also thx for the d&d DM tips. I would just say thank you for that, your helping me so much :D
I find it really interesting that you reference nobility having to look wealthy even when they are not. There's this really famous Spanish book called "Lazarillo de Tormes", a picaresque novella, in which a roguish poor man goes around serving different masters, one of which was an impoverished nobleman who, even though he manage to earn enough for a meal a day, still refused to do manual labour, as that wasn't noble. This apparently wasn't an extraordinary case in lower nobility. Good job, really.
Hi Matt,
I hope you read this and it helps in some way
Listening to you think about law in the Riojan culture brought to my mind the concept of Omerta. A code of honor originated in southern Italy. It goes something like this :
"Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without the law is both. It is as cowardly to betray an offender to justice, as it is not to avenge an injury with violence. If I live I will bring vengeance upon you, if I die you are forgiven."
I have to thank you for keeping me company while I work. Being a comic artist is sometimes a very lonely endeavor.
My favorite Pantheon belongs to the Klingon's. In case you don't know, the ancient Klingons killed their gods because they were more trouble than they were worth.
Yeah, I know this is 3 years late, but I've just found Matt's channel and I'm really liking it.
MM my brain just shrieked rebellion for violence/bravery, and regret for cowardice but GOD these streams are so good
I would suggest the saint of Tears for theatre (comedy and tragedy) or for life/death. Or "the saint of many faces".
And the saint of thorns for vengeance.
Love these videos. Inspiring and helping me in organizing my own lore.
Matt's Rival is, of course, Matt.
Before long, they will both be DMing a popular D&D livestream on twitch. They'll be bragging to each other about viewer counts for years to come.
As an Italian is very funny to hear you pronounce all that Italian names ahaha
Listening to your process reminds me that I need to get back to writing my own fantasy stories.
I'm a huge fan of just mentioning saints or mythical heroes, but not actually fleshing them out beyond surface details about their deeds. That way I can fill in the gaps for story appropriate stuff down the road.
My parents would never lie to me! YOU TAKE THAT BACK, COLVILLE
I would love a campaign where Vasloria invades and conquers the armies and governments of Rioja, and the players spend a lot of time with Riojan culture as they overthrow the invaders - "A government can be conquered, but a people's spirit lives forever".
Each episode of this series has chosen its own naming scheme
Be sure to catch tonights episode, 'Creating A World - Number 0; How To Make Intriguing Video Titles'
He's just copying the success of the Fast & Furious franchise
If I follow Colville's train of thoughts correctly,
I think that there shouldn't be a saint of greed, since greed would be a shape that cowardice take in their eyes!
"You gained this huge fortune and you should have been [brave with it/owned up to it] and given it away [charitable, showed everyone your wealth] but instead you tried to sit on it and hide it [fearfully holding onto something that comes and goes], you sir are a coward!"
I'm currently also building cultures for a roleplay I am hosting for my friends and I enjoy watching you're videos for inspiration :)
Way out of date, but I loved being in this stream, and I want to record down an idea of a saint I had; The Saint of Sorcery, underneath the Goddess of Fate. I love the idea that the archetypal mage of Rioja is the born-lucky Wild Sorcerer, favoured of Fate.
as a line mechanic made me happy when you mentioned the job :D even if i am one in a different counttry
Haven't had a chance to check out the latest on twitch, but I was thinking that instead of blood and scars, it could be Sacrifice. As the goddess of bravery herself had to make one in order to keep true to herself. Scars and wounds could then be seen as the sacrifice one must make for violence, bravery, and glory.
Sekhmet, Athena, Nerio, Pakhet, The Morrigan, Agrona, Freyja, Valkyries, Andraste etc
A war goddess is about as edgy as a politic speech at the Oscars.
13:25
Seeing as the Riojans highly symbolize the wheel, I think the saying of two sides to the same coin would be stated differently.
Something like, Opposite ends of the same wheel.
Yes, sometimes we are on top, other times at the bottom, but the wheels keeps turning nonetheless and no matter how much we struggle against it, we are all equally responsible for its movement.
There is value in observing the whole process, even the dead air ^^
This is helpful. I may not use the exact same process but it is inspiration to do my own work.
The great thing is that in Rioja, you've made up a name for a wine-loving kingdom which is also the name of a wine-producing region.
Whenever Matt references "the wheel of fortune" I can't help but quietly do the chant from the game show. I'm aware the phrase predates the show, but its reflexive.
Question - Do the Riojans value Knowledge? Do they value it for the advantage it can provide? Do they have a fascination with history (Pablo the Golden died in the most dramatic of ways, and everyone always remembers him!)?
Do they have a Saint of Crafting, Learning, etc? They love to Explore! It is dramatic, romantic, and dangerous. What of the exploration of the mind? Perhaps they think lesser of the learned because they dare to think themselves explorers, but they never went anywhere or did anything to be remembered?
1. I kept thinking of Romo and Juliet during this. How would the Riojans view it? Obviously they'd love the star-crossed lovers, the duels, and rivalry. What about the poison, since they view that as bad? And how do they view suicide (the ending)? Is suicide "cowardice" or "bravery"?
2. Definitely need a saint of unrequited love. Cyrano? Sydney Cotton? Quasimodo? Probably too common of names, but you get the idea. Someone like Sydney Cotton could also fall under Bravery. Maybe something like a saint of lost causes? Would that be the saint of fools?
Lord Kisscactus, Patron Saint of all that is not too shabby.
I really like the idea of maybe once your cleric or paladin gets up to epic level, they are elevated to sainthood by their deity and somewhat immortalized in that way. Saints are mortals who walk the world closely embodying their god so I think it would be a really cool "reward" to a player to be like hey your cleric is now a saint and part of the history of this world.
This was the tradition in the 70s and 80s. Gods were just very very powerful former mortals.
UwU senpai colville replied. Hmm hadnt thought about it in that way but I can see that.
Maybe a saint of doubt, whether it is self-doubt or planting the seed of doubt in others. Its that great like from David Tennant as Doctor 10, "doesn't she look tired to you." He brought down a PM with 6 words.
Didn't realise you were unaware of actual Rioja.
Good wine from there.
i don't know about other players, but i personally LOVE getting into the backstory of the deities in my games. not to sound trolly, which i can at times.
this series is a great example of how to build a very solid background for a long campaign, i enjoyed it, regardless if it was a little dry. I was wondering if Coleville ever builds worlds of high magic where the gods are actual beings and the world was placed there for a purpose, or are they all these types of atheistic humanist worlds? also, who in their right minds would WANT to live in rioja? they sound like the most self-destructive, inflammatory, backwards culture ever - not unlike medieval florence. how do they stay incorporated?
the saint of subterfuge under cowardice
A possibility, Traps as an aspect of one of the saints, it's poetic like Blades, and traps are inherently based on scheming and planning, they can never be spontaneous. even an improvised ambush has to have a brief scheme.
Ooh! Reading The Three Musketeers? I believe you will enjoy the cadence in d'Artagnan's first encounter with "the man from Meung."
59:30ish. Litigiousness I think is what you are trying to think of. Historically as cultures become more stable people move from using armies to using lawyers to fight their battles and Riojan's value and honor a straight up fight over such tactics.
Hey Matt, are you planning on uploading the other streams to UA-cam as well when you have some more time on your hands?
For anyone else reading this and looking for the other streams, they can all be found on twitch for the time they're not up here yet.
That the saint of patience goes under the god of treachery is clear proof to me that Colville is a genius of characterization. How many cultures do you know that villanize patience?
In defence of English pronunciation we would only say marKiss if the subject is British, e.g. "marKiss of Queensbury" but use the correct pronunciation for a foreign subject e.g "marKey de Sade"
A god of Secrets, Lust and the forbidden could be cool. Dealing with spies, intrigue and fidelity. Go on, give us an up vote so Matt can see it.
Vicious blood feuds won't be a problem in this setting.
Matt's Rival is the Angry GM, and neither of them know it... yet.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margrave has a list of translations into various languages. Also, margravia / marchesa (from Margrave) is perfect since they defend the borderlands...
Vis-a-vis Ragilo, shadows/hiding = concealment.
You could even call him the Advocat or the Fixer, because he does the dirty work for you...
Taking the fall for you is scapegoating
I'd like to think that Riojans also sing Ace of Base's "Wheel of Fortune" and now I really want someone to do a cover of that in Spanish guitar.
These guys see like swash buckling Barbarians.
Wait where's part III?
Edit: nevermind he fixed it
Denim Doug This is the third, he screwed up the numerals apparently
This is part 3
There should be a better god of cowardice.
Cowardice can be a very good thing. It is the thing that keeps civilians and non-combatants alive when they shouldn't have to die in some conflict between powers, or for vanity or greed or honour.
A society that does not wish to be eliminated simply because their leaders lost a war should praise cowardice.
The Greatcoats series has a really similar universe to the one you are building. You should definitely check it out; it is a really good 3 musketeers analog.
I feel like when you were talking about Cowardice you were tiptoeing around Procrastination, but never actually touched it. instead you ended up on Sloth. I feel like what you were trying to get at was the "Putting things off for later. Being a coward by not acting."
perhaps a saint of commerce and transaction under cowardice, capturing bribery and submission to being extorted.
Would love a reading, by you of course, of your novels or audiobooks.
My fave series right now :)
Also shouldn't this be III?
The idea that none of your players have ever engaged with gods is fascinating to me. I've always found gods in the games I play in and their involvement in things rather interesting, particularly in the terms of the relationship between God and Follower, and which is dependent on which. Ironically I've never played a cleric though.
I feel like there would be a good portion of Tabaxi in Rioja. I don't know why I just feel like cat people would sympathize with these values
For Paolo, the Lawyer, calling him the Saint of Litigation would also be appropriate. Perhaps as a duality? He governs those who hide behind the law but also those who use the legal system when their blade would be more appropriate
He's the Saint of Shadow and Hiding. He *was* a Lawyer in life.
Paolo the Litigator.
If cowardice is the opposite of bravery, and cowardice is neglecting to fulfill one's duties, then why should bravery and violence be intertwined? Should bravery not instead be demonstrated by fulfilling one's duties?
Sorry I'm a few months late to the party on this one. I think what you were looking for in treachery might have been a saint of grudges. Patiently biding one's time and scheming in secret against someone you dislike rather than just coming out and confronting them head-on. Seems like grudges encapsulates that notion. A saint who bears an eternal grudge and encourages others to harbor resentment and grudges toward others. So maybe not necessarily the saint of patience, but the saint of grudges whose title is "the Patient."
saint of the silent blade
I feel that there's hidden information in the Time Rider portions making up the third segment of this series.
Would Dionisa be the saint of Courtesans or Prostitues or would that be under love and passion? The two concepts don't necessarily have to go together think of the Mistresses of Louis XVI; they were well born, educated women that were looking to elevate their status. Many of them were patrons of the arts and ran salons to promote artists/musicians that they favored.
Maybe Tasila was betrothed to the god of cowardice and went belly up to his dad or helped his dad, Folco, escape before he could go to prison and the live in "banishment" or hell.
Treachery should have a Saint of Politics in it's court
I'm at 54:40 and the idea just came to me. 'Im not telling you how to do your work, you obviously do it better. Could Envy and Jealousy be under Cowardice rather than treachery?
What if there was a Saint of Law because Riojans felt that it would be considered a failure if they had to resort to using the law to settle their disagreements, and that it is more honorable to settle your disputes yourself.
I expected more than 3 parts to this according to what Matt said... he must have bitten off more than he could chew, eh?
Your campaign setting is just so cool, Matt! What chance do you think there is of you releasing a campaign setting guide one day?
I sort of feel like this is that.
Matthew Colville Are you going to release these documents? Sorry if you've answered this already. I've actually only had time to watch the first stream so far.
would it be crazy to have something like a saint of martyrs? maybe under the God of violence/bravery?(bravely died for others?)
I think people are stuck on the Riojans don't like planning thing because it sounds like Riojans are "Chaotic Stupid" to them.
This is great stuff. I would definitely play a College of Swords Bard in this setting. Hmm. Maybe a Tiefling College of Swords Bard.
That being said, I think I might have a hard time adapting stock DnD modules that to the setting since it has such a distinctly Italian flavor. Most classic modules feel like they take place in England or Germany.
Anywho, I can't wait to see where you take this. As a KS backer, I feel like I am already getting returns on my small investment. Thank you, sir.
Saint of subterfuge. The one that uses the rules and laws to its gain.
I took Matt for someone to know his Roman numerals...jk Matt you are awesome
Leave it to Gilbert and Sullivan to write a song about sneaking around and have it sung as loud as possible
Hey Matt the title says iv might wanna get that updated!
Your chariot's gonna turn into a pump.
What about nonbinary or trans identities in the setting? I think that androgyny and other types of expression could be fitting in a more artistic expressive type culture. Something kinda like how Native Americans have a "two-spirit" gender and such. I'd love to see your take on these and whether or not they would fit!
Thanks for your continued content, Matt! Really helps with my games and furthering myself as a DM
In his last video building the gods of Rioja the rulers of the pantheon are a married couple at least one of whom occasionally switches gender.
Everytime I hear Mowrah I want to hear Mayora.
Every time I hear Falco I wanna hear Rock Me, Amadeus!
I specially liked the name for the goddess of Love because of this song about a guy that fell in love with a woman named Maura, she abandoned him and he didn't took it very well: /watch?v=7QmJyqoE4fs
Hi i started watching your videos a couple days ago and starting to get interested in this world. I am by the 20th video of the running the game series and have downloaded the rulebooks and the other stuff to start learning, but i have a doubt that i don't know if you have explained yet. How do you manage when the group separates ,in a city for example, for any reason and one person achieves some information or happens a roleplaying scene that the rest of the group shouldn't watch? Or for example if in a city there are multiple quests and part of the group wants to go to one dungeon or location and the other part to another?
With bravery i was thinking about bravado.
If a Riojan swears something on the Wheel of Fortune, would they like to buy an avowal?