Cenk actually did more than Juctice Dems… he actually ran for office to enact real change. Respect. Kulinski is a complete dipshit that was only ever in it for the fame.
Needless to say, for clout, biting his tongue on most issues here was a smart move. Nevermind Australia: Dude lives in another dimension. (A LOT of far-lefty Aussies these days tho)
A lot of the arguments against socialists being “rich” are bad, but I gotta say that I get serious 2nd hand annoyance when someone proposes a valid argument in opposition and the leftie just inserts a *socialism is when no money/house* meme and walk away thinking they’ve won 💀
That's the depth of knowledge Hasan stans have of things they are passionate about. They listen to people talking about topics, instead of reading and researching themselves. Sure maybe they listen to people that know alot. But that doesn't mean you're learning alot. It's surface level and has a much lower level of retention, versus learning via methods that require more effort and time to learn from.
I don't know about socialism, but I read that Communism is choosing on the side of class antagonism wherever it exists. Hasan makes money from breaking down conservative and reactionary arguments. Hasan spends that money on a lavish lifestyle, in a fashion that many people say is hypocritical. "You don't really deserve that much money. At least a CEO doesn't lie when he says that he only cares about the almighty dollar bill." Hasan responds by saying, "Then put a system in place that redistributes the wealth of both the CEO and me, even if it is against my will. I certainly will not be giving this money back." EVERYONE that is upset with Hasan, or considers him to be a hypocrtie, needs to understand that they're all hypocrites. They all are. Every UA-camr, every CEO, and every televangelist, and every journalist making money by talking about how Jullian Assange is an enemy of the state. They ALL need to be defanged. They ALL need to be cut down to size.
I wish they talked more about everything Lauren gets wrong about Australia. I don’t mind if I see her on debates or talking to people but 99% of her talking points are OH MY GOD DIDNT YOU SEE A TWEET FROM A RANDOM PERSON THAT SAID ALL LAURENS SHOULD MINECRSFT THENSELVES?? What do you say to that??? Or the classic “I read the headline of a tweet I can’t find and I’m very mad if it wasn’t true”
@@krotchlickmeugh627 I’ve lived in aus for over 30 years, life is very normal here and already back to normal in the major cities that caught international headlines fairly recently.
@@dylangeorgeson6580 Same thing here when she talks about Germany. The amount of times Lauren and her henge men say that Europe and Germany is being overrun by immigrants is infuriating and almost nothing she says is true or not derived from some Twitter headline...
I agree completely. In fact this entire COVID debacle has just been me slamming my head against a desk as these fucking yanks talk about our country with information gleamed from right-wing headlines or straight up propaganda from people within, and there's no real way to push back against it, or in the instances where push back is granted, it's never a solid enough point of their entire argument, just an additive one they check off but still agree to the main premise of.
Always found it weird that the slogan is “tax the rich” and not “help the poor” It’s off-putting because it seems most people are driven by envy of the rich rather than compassion for the poor
Not even necessarily envy. But definitely contempt. Tax the Rich is part of the policy one is suggesting to help the poor. Advocating to help the poor very easily could just mean pressuring rich people into engaging with philanthropic ventures. When that doesn't address the problem in the same way taxing them would. I assume a lot of the people calling to tax the rich don't actually want to go through the effort or face the reprocussions that comes with being multi-millionaires or billionaires. It is more that a small group having such a dispraportionate amount of wealth is frustrating from a compassionate standpoint. It is that philosophy that leads to people calling for things like wealth caps and redistributive measures, not a feeling of envy.
How is that weird at all? It absolutely goes without saying that 'tax the rich' is a slogan against income inequality. Taxing the rich wouldn't necessarily benefit the lives of white middle class 'socialists', it would in practice lift lower income people out of morbidly difficult living circumstances.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 listening to a lot of people talk about this, it does not seem they are just frustrated. I hate to appeal to the sigma memes, but a loot of people who claim to follow that philosophy are unironically envious.
@@98danielray Are Sigma memes commonly used by people who also say to tax the rich? Not only that but they are not extremely joking in their use of sigma-memes? From my limited engagement with them most people who are likely to shout to tax the rich don't then praise Musk for his "sigma grindset" unless they are making fun of him for mooching off of others while promoting dangerously idiotic concepts. And forgive me if I typed something nonsensical. Trying to reread this everything just looks blurry (just did 2 papers and a mid term. Should probably go for a walk away from screens lol.)
Tattooer here, im a first year and i suck so you can take what im saying w a grain of salt XD but to address kyosan specifically in this particular issue, In my experience so far, for the most part tattoo shops really are run very loosely like a co-op. Say youre an owner that opens a studio and you hire 5 artists and theyre all level 80 scabwizards so these guys are fuckin sick. Even tho they work at the shop owners building they are self employed, for the most part, to some extent they have the freedom to choose their own hours, the kind of work they choose to take on, the tools they use, the stats they buff and so on. However the quality of work each artist does, the quality of experience each artist provides reflects upon everyone else @ the shop. So theres also a collective incentive for each artist to do well, as well as collective standards set by the shop owner everyone makes a little bit of sacrifice/does their part to contribute to the success of the business ie. Cleaning the shop and chipping in for supplies that are typically provided for like paper towels stencil paper printer paper and so on, now a shop can delegate all those things to a front desk employee or a shop apprentice. But thats something that the whole crew has to come together to have a conversation about to determine the exact mechanisms by which their system will operate. That just works best and gets the best results out of everyone involved, and im lucky to get to do this daily, it has its hardships but i genuinely want for everyone to have this kind of freedom of expression and just having their voices heard at their workplace fr fr. And lastly because capitalism and stuff here is me shamelessly plugging my IG do give ya boi a follow and like please XD @Bubblemantattoos
That's a great example of where that works because there is a parity between what you put in, and what you get out. It's also a good comparison to Destiny's example. The issue with applying that to broader society like many socialists want is that many workers cannot change what they put into their work. Like an average factory worker is more likely than not going to work every day in a year, and not be able to alter their work. So even if the company is making more money it's not in parity with what the factory worker did since their work didn't change. There might be some other ways of dealing with that like a company providing education opportunities for workers, but that's not what socialists want. They literally want factory workers on assembly lines to get paid by how much money is getting made regardless of what sort of work the worker does. Until this sort of disparity between worker output, and earnings gets resolved I don't see leftists getting much headway.
@@tigershot360 you dont NEED to go to art school theres always the option of an apprenticeship program where you put up w 3 straight years of mental/emotional abuse and slave labor to earn your rite of passage. You got options.
Yes, the general audience wants a clarification as everyone is giving their impression of your well-being. ☝🏿 Sadly, MEMEs take priority to individuals on the comment section.
In the debate he said "well, people are coming to see you destiny, your product IS you" - false, I am here for August's amazing editing. I'll watch whatever august posts, even if destiny is not involved.
You hit the nail on the head Destiny IMO. There is a difference between an individual who personally holds a belief in any particular ideology and an individual who is actively promoting the ideal and encouraging other to believe it (especially if that generates an income). Then throw in that this ideology involves suggestions of actions that everybody is going to benefit from and would logically 'want' to do clearly undermines that philosophy if they themselves are in a position to do it but then 'chose' not to!!!
Serious question, I’m not a Destiny follower… who does this guy NOT hate on the left? Every clip I see is him talking crap about people; he even mocked Michael Brooks shortly after his death for God’s sake ☠️
the boulder analogy only works for new programmes, if a person is not happy with existing social programmes and believes more money would help those programmes more avoiding taxes that go towards those social programmes is hypocritical.
The boulder analogy doesn't work at all. People who don't want to fund certain programs (Even existing programs) are forced into lifting the boulder. There is no consent to lifting outside of a several times removed form of consent ... In which if don't want to live in a remote jungle somewhere, you have to pay for the insane never ending expenditures others want using everyone else's money. Whilst actively trying to pay less themselves. That is hypocritical. A better analogy would be all going to a restaurant. Lefties order extra wine and expensive goodies for the table, then when the bill comes, it's split among people who may have only ordered a starter. If lefties are going to advocate for a larger bill, they should be paying for what they order. That goes for right winger that are pro military industrial complex and large government expenditures.
@@jamesbarnett6772 Although I like your analogy and think it sums up socialism very well on a political policy level I think it leans into the more libertarian ideas over our existing systems when things like consent are another conversation and I don't think it tackles the hypocritical tax avoiding as much as it should in relation to what is being talked about, although it is better than destiny's boulder one. Everyone goes to a restaurant where everyone agrees to put in a reasonable amount they can afford for people to order what ever they want from the menu, the restaurant collects the money and puts the nights menu together. People like the Aussie lie about how much they can put in while complaining lobster tails are an off menu item and pretending they added to the tip pile.
Replaymyway Replaymyway how would that only apply to new programs? so you’re telling me that if i think a pre-established program needs more money to work properly, i would be hypocritical for not throwing my money at it, EVEN THOUGH my money alone will never be enough to accomplish that goal? The same problem exists in both scenarios, my money alone will not accomplish a social program, whether it be brand new or already in place. The point is that you shouldn’t condemn a person for avoiding things that will hurt them personally, if them getting hurt wouldn’t even further their goal. it’s the whole policy vs. individual action thing that destiny has covered multiple times. The reason hasan could be condemned is because he’s in a unique position to push POLICY change because of the power he has and the influence he wields, yet he does nothing but talk on twitch all day, and gets paid very very well for doing it.
There's a quote that comes almost immediately to mind, I wish I could remember where I got it from: "Argue for your limitations and sure enough they're yours"
@kyosanAU care to clarify the UA-cam vs twitch revenue comparison? From what I've seen most content creators make way more from successful UA-cam content than comparatively equivalent levels of success in livestreaming on twitch.
Wait, so this sounds like the UK's IR35 loophole (recently closed) which contractors used to avoid tax. Australia has formalised a tax avoidance system that this Australian guy euphemistically calls "shifting the burden of tax" and he's wondering if avoiding his taxes is hypocritical? Yes guy. Yes it is.
Especially considering we have socialised healthcare here. But yeah, the whole concept is just legalised corruption. Australia has a whole heap of that sort of thing right now, its gotten to be a real issue.
@@itlivesin The situation you describe is the same as that for any good you buy on credit - sofas, TVs, cars, houses. In the UK I can buy a car and pay in installments, and end up paying a large amount more than the car is worth. What I can't do here is have that car payment pre-deducted from my gross pay to reduce the taxable amount of my wage. I agree such deals are bad for the consumer but they are a fact of life because people want things they cannot afford to outright buy. But, crap as these sometimes deals are, you are better off taking them in Australia than here, because in affect that payment becomes part of your tax allowance. You seem to assert that the individual is the worse off for salary sacrifice, not the company and not the government. I cannot see how this can be true and yet the option still gets exercised by people.
My guy you are not ‘shifting the tax burden’ you are simply avoiding paying tax on your earnings. The company you give the money to only pays tax on the $20 you pay for their service and no one pays tax on the $600 you give them to pay your expenses.
Wealth disparity on its current level in society is largely a result of fractional reserve banking, exacerbated by the use of fiat, in a systematic transfer of wealth to the political and business "elite" through debt & inflation (boom and bust cycles). This doesn't mean you can't exert a level of control over your own personal finances however. Most of us just have bad spending habits.
The talking point that the bottom half of people don't pay income tax is a misleading right wing talking point. When you account for other taxes like sales and payroll tax, depending on the methodology, tax to income is fairly flat. Thanks to capital gains tax, tax havens, and other loopholes and writeoffs, the top .1% pays a much lower rate than what they should on paper. I feel like Destiny should know this.
That is why various experts in their field are consulted in relation to major public health concerns (ie: outbreaks) so that "sensible decisions" can be made to minimize risk to the citizens. Yes, caution around giving "health advice" if one isn't a health professional is common sense, however encouragement to seek treatment is fine.
This dude didn’t do a good job of explaining salary sacrificing. Mostly it is for government and charity workers. It gives the employee the chance to reduce their tax obligation by paying for things prior to being tax assessed. Expenses like rent or mortgage payments.
Is the geolocator thing not true? Do the police not guard quarantined hotels? Have protests not been banned? Didnt you just open ur borders 2 weeks ago? Wasnt the govts explicit goal eradication....which is absurd and impossible. Are we seeing fake videos? Are snap lockdowns the last couple months not a thing?....All of this with extremely low Covid numbers..(ur a giant island with like 5 cities all spread very far apart with Outback inbetween.) Australia has become a joke to the western world...being next to China has made you submissive bootlicking bitches. Stop it. Grow ur individualism balls back please.
@@dukedematteo1995 Those aren’t the claims she was making. Also what you’re saying isn’t even right. I don’t know what videos you’ve been seeing, but it sounds like they must not be right if you’re saying inaccurate stuff?
@Destiny the question wasn't about raising or lowering taxes. It was about legal tax avoidence. By using loopholes that weren't foreseen when taxes were implemented you are participating in the underfunding of the programs you want funded. It's that simple. Oh and the explanation was hilarious. If you want that block moved why aren't you over here trying to move it yourself? If you want socialism why aren't you over here not buying a 3 mil house? Literally the 'socialism is when no house meme.' It amazes me that people believe you aren't just as subject to bias as everyone else.
@@asdrt6405 To continue on his analogy, it would be like if you all got together and agreed to move the boulder. Then while everyone is lifting the boulder, you just walk away leaving them to shoulder the burden and hope it doesn't crush them.
@Destiny „You can not fix a Issue until you know what the Problem is.“ Exactly - can you (as a small side issue) research dopamine/drive and why some people choose to be fat instead of sixpack, poor instead of rich, lazy/sad instead of motivated, [healthy/happy&hotgirlfriend/mate] instead of [unhealthy/feeling low/incel] eventho everyone knows since 100 years exactly what to do. (training/study/work/longterm over instant gratification/planing/efficiency/educated/dont smoke/be social etc.) I had experiences on adhd meds that in a super short time everyone likes me my voice changes, my motivation changes, my diszipline changes but only in very spesific dosage (Experience as a child ~11 years old, so i was not relly different because of the behaviour i choose but pretty raw. Think abou the problems in the world and how they cant be simply explained by free choise but a complex biological mechanism. I think of humans as very complex machine lerning algorythms that had simple start in ebiogenesis as self replicating molecules. That can explain everything even selfless behaviour. You controll parts of your body but other parts your locked out, as a example: you can controll ur breathing but you can’t control ur heartbeat or if you laught at a bad joke or if bad food tastes amazing or if amazing food tastes bad. How much pain u feel, how much motivation, what you like and dislike (of course some humans have more of an ability to steer emotions (PFC executive function), but that seems dependent on spesific levels of dopamine and noradrenaline. Free will vs determinism. The richest and most motivated people decide right now and why would they say what they did is something other than there greatness rather than a complex interplay including protentially unequal genetic lottery. (I dont know where exactly the lines are) But this issue i believe lyes at the bottom of 90% of the problems of the 21 century right now its a shadow issue and its not popular so dont talk about it too much but keep it in the back of your mind and investigate maybe a bit or see how it may evolve some solutions for some philosophical and political challenges! 😇👍🏼 🤔
Answering: „Nice meme“ @Destiny Here you can see a example of a individual representative of the generalized majority. Notice how it thinks this is a super funny meme, of course without any argument. I deduce that his brain shut down and his emotional impulsive intuition is: „crazy - seems extremely counter intuitive.“ (probably had the exact same impulsive opinion with things like gaymarriage until the majority changed and he followed - like always... ) Its a bit like when you would try to explain weather, physics, biology, or any other modern mainstream concept to a Person 500-1000 years ago or a cavemen. I imagine there is so much missing context (mainly in neuroscience, experiments, knowledge about people who feel very little pain or more pain, rat experiments where all the dopamine receptors are blocked, even human data of a failed diet drug that blocked dopamine receptors… etc. anyway why not start discussing some of those fundamental data in ur stream maybe as a „react to youtube video of person who feels no pain or has a pain illness and is hypersensitive to pain, person who takes dopamine blocker usw usw). Stuff like that 👍🏼 (@@sirjelly72 Whats a meme about it? Tell me the easy objection that makes it so ridiculous please big brain. Thank you. )
@@hanskraut2018 The fact that you ramble too much and have no clear structure in your text. This isn't meant as hostile but as critique. First: structure your thought process and text. Add paragraphs and order the sentences in subject groups. Second stick to one topic. Switching around topics like a frogger game confuses people and makes it very hard to follow your thought process, nothing to do with the complexity of a subject. Third of all: try keeping it simple. I know it's easy to go on kind addendums about how you reached a certain conclusion but you should let this process develop naturally. Meaning let people engage your points then elaborate otherwise you're only throwing information without context in their face. Hoped that helped.
The part around 52:00 when destiny talks about both advocating systemic change while simultaneously advocating individual change sounds a lot like veritasiums episode on luck vs hard work. In a macro sense yeah people get lucky and have no power over a lot of the big things in your life like where you were born, your environment, etc but you also have to kinda simultaneously maximize the opportunities you do happen to have
Judging by the mass protests, yeah I would say this guy's view doesn't represent all of the Australians, Now i'm not in Melbourne, but don't just take his opinion as fact.
Who is Vaush Hasan? It was the only name in the thumbnail I didnt recognize. Do they have anything to do with popular youtube personalities Vaushvidya or Hasanabi?
Apparently a lot of people don’t understand the stone analogy which totally fits please use this reply section before commenting a “critique” followed by “bad-take destiny”
It’s a bit rich hearing a Queenslander say that NSW ‘shit the bed’ but Victoria just ‘stuffed it up.’ Queensland hasn’t avoided covid because of great leadership, they just had good weather and good luck. It also never spread in Byron (i.e. the anti-vax capital of Australia), that tells you all you need to know as far as I’m concerned
It's half fair in that NSW didn't really jump on the initial outbreak in the way they should have, VIC actually did squash an outbreak from NSW but then couldn't keep others out but yeah.. QLD has mostly been supremely lucky. Kinda crazy that dude was running around SEQLD for a week or whatever without seeding it.
Disagree with this take. Firstly, we have THE most experienced chief health officer Dr Young who has advised four premiers through six different pandemics. Her expertise has helped immensely and Premier Palaszczuk has been wise to listen to her every step of the way. We were very quick to respond as well, locking down our borders and isolating ourselves from pandemic hotspots south of the border (plus enforcing mandatory mask wearing). It is precisely because of great leadership that we have managed to completely avoid dealing with surging cases, deaths, etc.
@@faitht347 I don’t buy that all. There have been so many cases that have be found in Queensland and all of them have come to nothing (I don’t know the exact number because it’s happened so many times now, but I would guess more than 10). Northern NSW (not just Byron but surrounding areas like Lismore) has had a few cases pop up as well but just like in Queensland nothing has come from it. Both areas have similar climates, and because of their climates the building generally have better ventilation and people generally spend more time outside. Both of those help reduce the spread of covid and both would have been the case regardless of the CHO. Contrast that with the ACT, Victoria and NZ, which have colder climates, which all locked down immediately but covid still got out of control. I’m sure Queensland’s public health response has been fine, but they’re or exceptional, they’re just geographically well situated.
@@andrewbazar3302 I agree that in hindsight, NSW should have acted quicker, but I’m not convinced that it wouldn’t have gotten out of control anyway just because of how infectious delta is. I don’t think there were two different outbreaks in Victoria, I think they just thought they’d crushed the initial one but it hadn’t actually gone away (they only had one day of zero cases, and I don’t know about back then but Victoria has consistently had lower testing numbers until very recently). I know of the removalists and the family that left their home when they shouldn’t have, but I don’t know if other confirmed incursions (although I’m sure that more happened later on when it was already too late for them to make a difference anyway); either way, the fact that Victoria’s immediate lockdown didn’t crush it makes me think that NSW locking down immediately would have just delayed cases rather than preventing them.
Great conversation, great call in. I really like the way you describe the UNIQUE capabilities of a streamer like Hasan. It made me think of what would happen if MLK decided to just donate charity instead of using his unique talent as a speech giver and linguist that are still amazing to experience today. Hasan could singlehandedly win any local election if he used his influence
Sure but in the convo for Destiny to just say Hasan has done nothing to create the ideology he wants to see outside of streaming was just a lie. In the dem primaries he was canvassing, donating and travelling the country to campaign for Sanders. I mean sure you can campaign locally but that doesnt change the national picture one bit.
@@shoomus3504 I think it's pretty bold for you to say that the way you change the political environment in America is top down instead of starting at the local level, but putting that aside and staying on topic to this specific situation Hasan does not call for his fans to mobilize. It's easy to preach off the back of the presidential election when EVERYONE is paying attention to that. That's also something Destiny was saying that Hasan gained SO much influence during the last presidential election because of how galvanized people were to politics. He benefited himself from the presidential election coverage as much as he engaged with it
@@armandoocana409 Really don't get why so many people think twitch streamers have anywhere near the amount of influence that say Tiktok and Instagram influencers have, comparably its tiny and even if he did get much more politically active in California and in other states if anything thats likely to hurt the candidate he's endorsing due to his controversies. I don't know what you really mean by "call for his fans to mobilize" but he advocates on his streams all the time for people in his stream community to join unions, protest and tells his fans to support socialist candidates in their areas. He benefited from the presidential election because people decided to support his stream idk why you're trying to put that into some sort of dark light.
@@shoomus3504 I'm not going to address the "he hurts the candidate" thing because they talked about that already in the video. As for me "putting it in a bad light" they ALSO talked about in video. It's not BAD he gained more followers, it just seems like Hasan only engages in sofar as he has mutual benefit from whatever he's engaging with. Lastly, ANYONE can make the blanket statement "go join a union, vote for socialists in your area, ect..." What my initial comment was about was the idea of comparing Hasan's influence to that of MLK. MLK did not make blanket commands to his followers about general actions. He strategically targeted specific places that helped him achieve his goal. He mobilized in Birmingham and DC and other places for specific reasons. Hasan can't just say "vote for the leftist near you" because the working class inherently does not have enough time to even find out who the leftist is near them or how their limited time is best used to actually make headway in the "socialist revolution". All anyone like Destiny or me is saying is that Hasan has power that he is wasting. No one is saying Hasan is bad
@@BDKoala Suuuuurrrreeeeee… “ultimate fringe” aka “Née-ATZI’s” aka “ Everyone right of Marxism” . From how I understand it, brain dead commie rhetoric in Australia isn’t much different than here in America. Moral of the story, you can’t say 100% we’re all “ extreme right” etc.
@@tcritt i think most people in the protest think it's overblown. Im quite sure there are people who think it fake. I however think the governments reaction was and still is too strong. I cant speak for everyone though.
It's Australian dollars, and median rent in major cities in Australia seems to be about $500 a week, so he's certainly doing above average, but it's not necessarily huge in relation to where he is
There's no reason to assume that the shop will be better run under someone else. And no reason to assume that Hasan's editor might not attract more viewers. If Cenk at TYT had thought the audience just wanted to see him, he would never have given Hasan, Jimmy Dore and Dave Rubin a chance. And I don't think we can really compare which one is more difficult.
Am I the only person amazed there are companies that exist in Australia entirety for offsetting your tax burden? Doesn't that seem really fucking weird?
1:08:13 Of all the examples he picked the worst one. This will surprise you but Barbers must carry a certain level of medical knowledge. They need to be able to identify certain skin conditions and how to properly disinfect tools to prevent disease. If he meant specifically cutting hair, different hair types can't be cut the same. For example when shaving Black Clients they are higher risk for razor bumps and ingrown hairs and different tools and techniques need to be used.
Tax the rich is an imprecise slogan. Tax and eliminate economic rents, the unearned incomes. Land value tax, severance taxes. Reform to IP. Those measures would effectively 'tax the rich' but without any risk of hitting productivity due to capital flight.
I agree with this, but also it seems like compression of income broadly has socially beneficial effects. I'd be convinced otherwise if it could somehow be shown to drastically decrease productivity
Damn. Defund the police. Systemic racism. Tax the rich. 2021 seems to be the year of leftists saying "our slogan means something different than what we're saying." It's horrible optics and leads to people not believing their intent with what they say.
@@aronchai Most of the ultra rich don't really get rich from income/wages but from capital gains and most of that is from land or related debt instruments, dig beneath the surface much of the stock markets 'value' is actually land (REITS, banks and mortgage derivates, corporate land holdings etc). I'm fine with an progressive income tax on the highest earners (though scrap it and payroll taxes for most), it wouldn't in my view be likely cause much dead weight loss (ie loss of productivity) but it's efficacy would be very limited. ie Jeff Bezos wage is/was apparently $80K for example (and note he's now one of the US's largest landowners, just like Bill Gates). That said it could also be reformed to fall more on rental incomes so be more akin to the effect of a land value tax, historically that was the case, but LVT is more direct and potentially effective.
@@chocolatMouse Rental income is taxed at various rates, LVT is superior as it also taxes imputed rents, ie if a landlord leaves his property vacant waiting for capital gains they have no rental income to tax, it is not fair to tax a landlord who is actually using the land at a higher rate. The goal of LVT is to tax the externalities, to eliminate the economic rent not the nominal rent itself and encourage best use, rather than land speculation and hoarding. If you improve your property and can get a higher rent, that would not be taxed under LVT, but if the area around you improves and rents/land prices increase due to others labour, that implicit subsidy should is recouped.
Where is destiny getting his definition of "means of producing" and "capital"? I thought that "means of production" referred specifically to non financial resources.
"Kyosan" means "communism" in Japanese, i.e. he's biting his tongue on most issues. Plus, he described himself as a socialist twice under his breath. He's not completely hiding it, but he's downplaying it to not lose opportunities to gain clout
@@mypartyisprivate8693 My feeling is that if you're a worker and a unionist you're more in contact with grass than the vast majority of online socialists and I'm willing to give you more of a benefit of the doubt, but time will tell
The one thing that hurts my head is that Destiny seriously thinks 5 bucks on a doordash for someone of his wealth is substantial. Bro...I tip 5 bucks. And I'm a middle class fuckboy.
My disagreement on the values thing comes down to this: You misundersand what a socialist is valuing when they say "we should restructure society to work a certain way." Giving money to someone who needs it or paying a worker a certain salary or structuring a business a certain way as an individual is completely different than changing the way society is structured. As someone who thinks people are going to act on what they believe is their best financial interest, I would say I do not expect someone to act in a way that is clearly not in their best interest. It's about changing what is in someone's best interest, not about not acting in your own best interest. Basically, I don't see it as some moral failing if someone doesn't pay someone a fair wage, I see it as a societal failing that they can get away with it because of fucking course they would if they could.
But it’s impossible to get to that equal issuance without unequal taxation away from the biggest stockpiles of said money. I mostly agree with Destiny, but taxing rich people even more is the only rational way to re-balance, then we can move forward from there.
You don't have to know the exact details of a problem to fix it. If your graphics card dies, you don't have to know what exactly on the graphics card failed. You just replace it. Likewise, you can fix being out of tune with regular maintenance of your instrument, part of which is tuning. People accidently fix problems they don't know about all the time. Steven's argument is nonsense.
Economy is very complicated machine. Unlike computer which is modular and literally created for ease of repair . When you look at very complicated systems with a lot of codependent variables changing one thing can have a cascade effect on the whole system.
How would you know that your graphic card dies if you don't have the necessary knowledge to open your pc and check. Less technological literate people would go to a store to get it fixed and the workers tell them what's the problem. How would you replace a graphics card if you don't know where it is, what it is and how to fix it without the details. How would you maintain your instrument without knowing where to tune? You need the exact knowledge. People do accidently fix problems but that's the very few minority, stop discrediting Steven's argument with outliers.
@@chrectorB you can know the card is the issue based on a general understanding of what kind of things signal your card might be going bad. You don’t have to fully understand the problem, just the abstract. Science does this all the time with Newtonian laws, that don’t fully describe the universe, but do so well enough.
@@aleczitzelberger8123 yes but you need to knowledge on what is wrong with your pc before you can fix it. Take an average of pc users and tell them if they know how to fix their graphics card and replace them. Using the abstract knowledge of a graphics card doesn't help when the person doesn't know the technicality. You need to know the compatibility with PSU, Motherboard and CPU, RAM, the right socket, etc. It's not the matter of general understanding compared to the knowledge of our solar system. While we learn moon phases at a young age, we don't learn how to fix a graphics card or even what it is. The point about how we don't need to understand the Newtonian law is wrong. While the law doesn't tell us anything about why it happens. Theories on the other hand does. That's the difference of theories and laws. One example of this is gravity, there is Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation( how strong the gravitational pull) and Einstein's Theory of General Relativity(explains why things fall). That's why laws rarely change, theories change a lot as new evidence is found.
Kulinski says a lot of really dumb sh"t. His foreign policy takes are often terrible. His stance on free speech and opposing appealing through intersectional analysis, etc is horrendeous. Kyle's instigatory political prescriptions (force the vote, progressives need to block dem policies, etc) are sabotage to the progressive movement. And Kyle's story about his father & M4A is *extremely* dumb in Destiny's opinion (more specifically that his father was refusing to seek treatment in general and according to Kyle would have opposed socialied healthcare as well.)
My biggest qualm with Kulinski is how he doesn't like Bill Maher, except in a few cases. Kulinski was right when he said that Bill Maher disregarded Muslim issues (this sentiment was even more evident by Maher's support for Israel). In this example, Kulinski's criticism is justified. But he doesn't do Maher any justice when ignoring everything else that Maher talks about. Maher talked a lot about how Republicans want a civil war, and how Trump galvanizes them to think this way. Maher illuminates a lot of important issues for liberals and normies, and I think Kulinski obfuscates that by only focusing on the bad stuff. I would trust Destiny to give Maher a fairer shake.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Sure. He says some dumb stuff. His foreign policy position is overall correct IMO (that America should get involved in less wars). I think he gets there in a really dumb way, but he’s better than a neocon or a neoliberals Warhawk. He’s a supporter of free speech. So am I tbh. His ideas on how to bring about progressive change are horribly ineffective. I agree there. But there seems to be some personal animus with Kyle and from what I saw, he was always very friendly with Destiny. That’s why I’m wondering.
@@MusaMansu Well the reasons I listed are the reasons I have heard Destiny give. Any time Kyle Kulinski gets brought up in relation to foreign politics, healthcare, or political obstructionism Destiny almost has an aneurysm. And Kyle's position on free speech are dumb AF. Following his philosophy there can be no such thing as hate speech or censoring of materials. Germany outlawed a sh"t ton of Nazi imagery and positive representation of said nazi's and what-do-ya-know, they have less issues with nazism than america does with Confederacy loyalists. We should have f"cking banned Confederate flags & imagery and made it illegal to glorify the dipsh"ts fighting to own people as slaves. But in Kyle's view that is an absolute non-starter because the concept of free speech is more important to him than the outcomes of it. Unless people are in academic settings there are things that just lead people to really sh"tty places and thought processes.
Using the stone aegument. The question what is the benefit of lifting the stone. In term of funding programs, what is the benefit of paying for it for those you expect to fund.
KyosanAU talks to Destiny about Hasan, Vaush, Lauren Southern and more...
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He really needs to change that he wants to mandate vaccines. Its fucking pathetic.
Homosexuals are gay!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cenk actually did more than Juctice Dems… he actually ran for office to enact real change.
Respect.
Kulinski is a complete dipshit that was only ever in it for the fame.
FYI, "kyosan" means "communism" in Japanese. Not only is this guy a firmly-invested socialist, but a weeb
Needless to say, for clout, biting his tongue on most issues here was a smart move. Nevermind Australia: Dude lives in another dimension.
(A LOT of far-lefty Aussies these days tho)
the intro is so “AYSTHETICALLY” pleasing. great job august
@@Janasson522 Salience is merely supererogatory.
It's october
@@joppekim *October
@@vathristube *Aughktobre
@@unconcernedcitizen4092 but ultimately this is futile? From a purely utilitarian perspective of course
Ah yes! My favourite political content creators... Lauren Southern, Kyle Kulinski and Vaush Hasan.
Vaush is one of the great political voices in 2021. Anyone can make it.
‘Tax The Rich’ is a based content creator too. As an anarcho-omni-liberal-neoconservative-tankie Rich is in in his own lane.
@@bumblebeme u should watch his debate with JF. He did extremely well imo. Idk wtf he doin now tho 😕
@@bumblebeme Who asked?
I can't believe you didn't notice that there was an extra space between Vaush and Hasan, big cringe.
It feels like a breath of fresh air when Destiny talks to a normal human being
not if he talks to TOO many normal people, then it gets kinda boring
@@ethan982 Yeah and a little circle jerky
@@aslemartinsen5284 check your math again man
@@aslemartinsen5284 I can't tell if you're trolling or too American to understand the aussie accent
@@aslemartinsen5284 is this a meme?
A lot of the arguments against socialists being “rich” are bad, but I gotta say that I get serious 2nd hand annoyance when someone proposes a valid argument in opposition and the leftie just inserts a *socialism is when no money/house* meme and walk away thinking they’ve won 💀
That's the depth of knowledge Hasan stans have of things they are passionate about. They listen to people talking about topics, instead of reading and researching themselves. Sure maybe they listen to people that know alot. But that doesn't mean you're learning alot. It's surface level and has a much lower level of retention, versus learning via methods that require more effort and time to learn from.
Because you are arguing with people who are not socialists only people who are larping.
@@rumplespewskin6718 source?
@@MrDoomedtofail do you need a source for that?
I don't know about socialism, but I read that Communism is choosing on the side of class antagonism wherever it exists.
Hasan makes money from breaking down conservative and reactionary arguments.
Hasan spends that money on a lavish lifestyle, in a fashion that many people say is hypocritical. "You don't really deserve that much money. At least a CEO doesn't lie when he says that he only cares about the almighty dollar bill."
Hasan responds by saying, "Then put a system in place that redistributes the wealth of both the CEO and me, even if it is against my will. I certainly will not be giving this money back."
EVERYONE that is upset with Hasan, or considers him to be a hypocrtie, needs to understand that they're all hypocrites. They all are. Every UA-camr, every CEO, and every televangelist, and every journalist making money by talking about how Jullian Assange is an enemy of the state. They ALL need to be defanged. They ALL need to be cut down to size.
I wish they talked more about everything Lauren gets wrong about Australia.
I don’t mind if I see her on debates or talking to people but 99% of her talking points are OH MY GOD DIDNT YOU SEE A TWEET FROM A RANDOM PERSON THAT SAID ALL LAURENS SHOULD MINECRSFT THENSELVES?? What do you say to that???
Or the classic “I read the headline of a tweet I can’t find and I’m very mad if it wasn’t true”
Whats the headline of a tweet?
You from australia?
So how do you know better than someone born there?
@@krotchlickmeugh627 I’ve lived in aus for over 30 years, life is very normal here and already back to normal in the major cities that caught international headlines fairly recently.
@@krotchlickmeugh627 I'm from Australia and Lauren Southern is completely wrong about most things she said about Australia
@@dylangeorgeson6580 Same thing here when she talks about Germany. The amount of times Lauren and her henge men say that Europe and Germany is being overrun by immigrants is infuriating and almost nothing she says is true or not derived from some Twitter headline...
I agree completely. In fact this entire COVID debacle has just been me slamming my head against a desk as these fucking yanks talk about our country with information gleamed from right-wing headlines or straight up propaganda from people within, and there's no real way to push back against it, or in the instances where push back is granted, it's never a solid enough point of their entire argument, just an additive one they check off but still agree to the main premise of.
Love to see an actual conversation rather than bloodsports, great content
Always found it weird that the slogan is “tax the rich” and not “help the poor”
It’s off-putting because it seems most people are driven by envy of the rich rather than compassion for the poor
Not even necessarily envy. But definitely contempt.
Tax the Rich is part of the policy one is suggesting to help the poor. Advocating to help the poor very easily could just mean pressuring rich people into engaging with philanthropic ventures. When that doesn't address the problem in the same way taxing them would.
I assume a lot of the people calling to tax the rich don't actually want to go through the effort or face the reprocussions that comes with being multi-millionaires or billionaires. It is more that a small group having such a dispraportionate amount of wealth is frustrating from a compassionate standpoint. It is that philosophy that leads to people calling for things like wealth caps and redistributive measures, not a feeling of envy.
How is that weird at all? It absolutely goes without saying that 'tax the rich' is a slogan against income inequality. Taxing the rich wouldn't necessarily benefit the lives of white middle class 'socialists', it would in practice lift lower income people out of morbidly difficult living circumstances.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 listening to a lot of people talk about this, it does not seem they are just frustrated. I hate to appeal to the sigma memes, but a loot of people who claim to follow that philosophy are unironically envious.
@@98danielray Are Sigma memes commonly used by people who also say to tax the rich? Not only that but they are not extremely joking in their use of sigma-memes?
From my limited engagement with them most people who are likely to shout to tax the rich don't then praise Musk for his "sigma grindset" unless they are making fun of him for mooching off of others while promoting dangerously idiotic concepts.
And forgive me if I typed something nonsensical. Trying to reread this everything just looks blurry (just did 2 papers and a mid term. Should probably go for a walk away from screens lol.)
They should bite a line out of Robin Hood: "Tax the rich and give it to the poor." Simple.
These intros is 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I like the conversations with this guy
The new Irishladdie
He's so socially agreeable that he doesn't really have much to argue about, but he's a good sounding board for D man
Tattooer here, im a first year and i suck so you can take what im saying w a grain of salt XD but to address kyosan specifically in this particular issue, In my experience so far, for the most part tattoo shops really are run very loosely like a co-op. Say youre an owner that opens a studio and you hire 5 artists and theyre all level 80 scabwizards so these guys are fuckin sick. Even tho they work at the shop owners building they are self employed, for the most part, to some extent they have the freedom to choose their own hours, the kind of work they choose to take on, the tools they use, the stats they buff and so on. However the quality of work each artist does, the quality of experience each artist provides reflects upon everyone else @ the shop. So theres also a collective incentive for each artist to do well, as well as collective standards set by the shop owner everyone makes a little bit of sacrifice/does their part to contribute to the success of the business ie. Cleaning the shop and chipping in for supplies that are typically provided for like paper towels stencil paper printer paper and so on, now a shop can delegate all those things to a front desk employee or a shop apprentice. But thats something that the whole crew has to come together to have a conversation about to determine the exact mechanisms by which their system will operate. That just works best and gets the best results out of everyone involved, and im lucky to get to do this daily, it has its hardships but i genuinely want for everyone to have this kind of freedom of expression and just having their voices heard at their workplace fr fr. And lastly because capitalism and stuff here is me shamelessly plugging my IG do give ya boi a follow and like please XD @Bubblemantattoos
That's a great example of where that works because there is a parity between what you put in, and what you get out. It's also a good comparison to Destiny's example. The issue with applying that to broader society like many socialists want is that many workers cannot change what they put into their work. Like an average factory worker is more likely than not going to work every day in a year, and not be able to alter their work. So even if the company is making more money it's not in parity with what the factory worker did since their work didn't change. There might be some other ways of dealing with that like a company providing education opportunities for workers, but that's not what socialists want. They literally want factory workers on assembly lines to get paid by how much money is getting made regardless of what sort of work the worker does. Until this sort of disparity between worker output, and earnings gets resolved I don't see leftists getting much headway.
Very cool, what on earth is a Level 80 Scabwizard?
So what you’re saying is to go to art school and work at a tattoo parlor?
Tattoos are trashy.
@@tigershot360 you dont NEED to go to art school theres always the option of an apprenticeship program where you put up w 3 straight years of mental/emotional abuse and slave labor to earn your rite of passage. You got options.
I'm an Aussie and I'm glad this guy didn't embarrass us lol
"Kyosan" means "communism" in Japanese lol
I like that the editor felt the need to put 'Aussie' in the title just to make it seem less generic.
Hehe I remember that ausie phycologist girl
@Sloths In Black Queensland is THE australia champ ;)
if only our pm didn’t embarrass us at every opportunity too :(
Yes, the general audience wants a clarification as everyone is giving their impression of your well-being. ☝🏿
Sadly, MEMEs take priority to individuals on the comment section.
Glad August got the shoutout for his fantastic editing. Not a fan of the intros though, but everything else is TOP notch.
Props to August; these intros are cooler than Vaush's O.O
Vaush's editor is an Alibaba version of August
That's what you get when you pay your editor a living wage.
This is augusts channel, destiny is just a feature
rent free
In the debate he said "well, people are coming to see you destiny, your product IS you" - false, I am here for August's amazing editing. I'll watch whatever august posts, even if destiny is not involved.
This was a great discussion.
Vaush Hasan, the ultimate socialist content creator
ian piker
Vaushanabi
You hit the nail on the head Destiny IMO. There is a difference between an individual who personally holds a belief in any particular ideology and an individual who is actively promoting the ideal and encouraging other to believe it (especially if that generates an income). Then throw in that this ideology involves suggestions of actions that everybody is going to benefit from and would logically 'want' to do clearly undermines that philosophy if they themselves are in a position to do it but then 'chose' not to!!!
Vaush and Hasan: "Fyoooooo - Shonnnnn - HAAAAA"
*aura explosion and dust settles*
SSJ Vaushan: "ALRIIIIIIIIGHT!!!"
I couldn't think of a funny or clever comment.
"I'm going to quote the great philosopher.... Ben Spiderman or some shit"
Serious question, I’m not a Destiny follower… who does this guy NOT hate on the left? Every clip I see is him talking crap about people; he even mocked Michael Brooks shortly after his death for God’s sake ☠️
the boulder analogy only works for new programmes, if a person is not happy with existing social programmes and believes more money would help those programmes more avoiding taxes that go towards those social programmes is hypocritical.
thats just so wrong and misses his point entirely
@@zeem8 thanks for adding to the conversation with that excellent explanation in how i am wrong.
The boulder analogy doesn't work at all. People who don't want to fund certain programs (Even existing programs) are forced into lifting the boulder. There is no consent to lifting outside of a several times removed form of consent ... In which if don't want to live in a remote jungle somewhere, you have to pay for the insane never ending expenditures others want using everyone else's money. Whilst actively trying to pay less themselves. That is hypocritical.
A better analogy would be all going to a restaurant. Lefties order extra wine and expensive goodies for the table, then when the bill comes, it's split among people who may have only ordered a starter. If lefties are going to advocate for a larger bill, they should be paying for what they order. That goes for right winger that are pro military industrial complex and large government expenditures.
@@jamesbarnett6772 Although I like your analogy and think it sums up socialism very well on a political policy level I think it leans into the more libertarian ideas over our existing systems when things like consent are another conversation and I don't think it tackles the hypocritical tax avoiding as much as it should in relation to what is being talked about, although it is better than destiny's boulder one.
Everyone goes to a restaurant where everyone agrees to put in a reasonable amount they can afford for people to order what ever they want from the menu, the restaurant collects the money and puts the nights menu together. People like the Aussie lie about how much they can put in while complaining lobster tails are an off menu item and pretending they added to the tip pile.
Replaymyway Replaymyway how would that only apply to new programs? so you’re telling me that if i think a pre-established program needs more money to work properly, i would be hypocritical for not throwing my money at it, EVEN THOUGH my money alone will never be enough to accomplish that goal? The same problem exists in both scenarios, my money alone will not accomplish a social program, whether it be brand new or already in place. The point is that you shouldn’t condemn a person for avoiding things that will hurt them personally, if them getting hurt wouldn’t even further their goal. it’s the whole policy vs. individual action thing that destiny has covered multiple times. The reason hasan could be condemned is because he’s in a unique position to push POLICY change because of the power he has and the influence he wields, yet he does nothing but talk on twitch all day, and gets paid very very well for doing it.
There's a quote that comes almost immediately to mind, I wish I could remember where I got it from: "Argue for your limitations and sure enough they're yours"
@kyosanAU care to clarify the UA-cam vs twitch revenue comparison? From what I've seen most content creators make way more from successful UA-cam content than comparatively equivalent levels of success in livestreaming on twitch.
Your video editor needs a raise, the intros and video production are dope.
Lol what?
August is fucking amazing and he gets a shitload of money for it (rightfully so). Destiny has talked about this a lot.
Wait, so this sounds like the UK's IR35 loophole (recently closed) which contractors used to avoid tax.
Australia has formalised a tax avoidance system that this Australian guy euphemistically calls "shifting the burden of tax" and he's wondering if avoiding his taxes is hypocritical?
Yes guy. Yes it is.
Especially considering we have socialised healthcare here.
But yeah, the whole concept is just legalised corruption. Australia has a whole heap of that sort of thing right now, its gotten to be a real issue.
@@itlivesin The situation you describe is the same as that for any good you buy on credit - sofas, TVs, cars, houses. In the UK I can buy a car and pay in installments, and end up paying a large amount more than the car is worth.
What I can't do here is have that car payment pre-deducted from my gross pay to reduce the taxable amount of my wage.
I agree such deals are bad for the consumer but they are a fact of life because people want things they cannot afford to outright buy. But, crap as these sometimes deals are, you are better off taking them in Australia than here, because in affect that payment becomes part of your tax allowance.
You seem to assert that the individual is the worse off for salary sacrifice, not the company and not the government. I cannot see how this can be true and yet the option still gets exercised by people.
My guy you are not ‘shifting the tax burden’ you are simply avoiding paying tax on your earnings. The company you give the money to only pays tax on the $20 you pay for their service and no one pays tax on the $600 you give them to pay your expenses.
Source?
No one should pay tax on their earnings.
@@DanNorton1 I hate poor people too.
@@pepcozz8519 Lame.
@@pepcozz8519 is that supposed to be a burn or ironic
Wealth disparity on its current level in society is largely a result of fractional reserve banking, exacerbated by the use of fiat, in a systematic transfer of wealth to the political and business "elite" through debt & inflation (boom and bust cycles). This doesn't mean you can't exert a level of control over your own personal finances however. Most of us just have bad spending habits.
The talking point that the bottom half of people don't pay income tax is a misleading right wing talking point. When you account for other taxes like sales and payroll tax, depending on the methodology, tax to income is fairly flat. Thanks to capital gains tax, tax havens, and other loopholes and writeoffs, the top .1% pays a much lower rate than what they should on paper. I feel like Destiny should know this.
August is a God tier editor
That is why various experts in their field are consulted in relation to major public health concerns (ie: outbreaks) so that "sensible decisions" can be made to minimize risk to the citizens. Yes, caution around giving "health advice" if one isn't a health professional is common sense, however encouragement to seek treatment is fine.
Right in my feeeeeeeeeed
Feeeed
This meme is so reliability in every destiny video comment section
My moral code is Ben Spider-Man.
An effecatious amounts of aesthetically pleasing in the into I see. Supraphisiological levels of 🔥🔥🔥
Southern Hasan. Kulinski Rich.
Never been a fan of the intros, but the visualizations lately are awesome!
Ok, people keep talking about the intro, but am I the only one who miss the outro? Like for real, where is the Serenade of the Infestor?
This dude didn’t do a good job of explaining salary sacrificing. Mostly it is for government and charity workers. It gives the employee the chance to reduce their tax obligation by paying for things prior to being tax assessed. Expenses like rent or mortgage payments.
Does it lower the overall money going to the government? Or does it only shift who pays?
His laugh sounds like someone pressing their car horn repeatedly. :D
Blubstiny when eating fish flakes: right into my feeeeed
Soothes my soul to hear a fellow Australian since the Lauren Southern thing point out how nonsense what she was saying was.
Is the geolocator thing not true? Do the police not guard quarantined hotels? Have protests not been banned? Didnt you just open ur borders 2 weeks ago? Wasnt the govts explicit goal eradication....which is absurd and impossible. Are we seeing fake videos? Are snap lockdowns the last couple months not a thing?....All of this with extremely low Covid numbers..(ur a giant island with like 5 cities all spread very far apart with Outback inbetween.)
Australia has become a joke to the western world...being next to China has made you submissive bootlicking bitches. Stop it. Grow ur individualism balls back please.
@@dukedematteo1995 Those aren’t the claims she was making. Also what you’re saying isn’t even right. I don’t know what videos you’ve been seeing, but it sounds like they must not be right if you’re saying inaccurate stuff?
23:50 Ben Spider-Man?? lmao you mean Uncle Ben?
Same shit
Absolute banger of a convo. Bravo!
@Destiny the question wasn't about raising or lowering taxes. It was about legal tax avoidence. By using loopholes that weren't foreseen when taxes were implemented you are participating in the underfunding of the programs you want funded. It's that simple.
Oh and the explanation was hilarious. If you want that block moved why aren't you over here trying to move it yourself?
If you want socialism why aren't you over here not buying a 3 mil house?
Literally the 'socialism is when no house meme.' It amazes me that people believe you aren't just as subject to bias as everyone else.
@@asdrt6405 To continue on his analogy, it would be like if you all got together and agreed to move the boulder. Then while everyone is lifting the boulder, you just walk away leaving them to shoulder the burden and hope it doesn't crush them.
@@Ryuujinv01 Its more like adding more rocks ontop of the boulder if you are flat avoiding tax
@Destiny
„You can not fix a Issue until you know what the Problem is.“
Exactly - can you (as a small side issue) research dopamine/drive and why some people choose to be fat instead of sixpack, poor instead of rich, lazy/sad instead of motivated, [healthy/happy&hotgirlfriend/mate] instead of [unhealthy/feeling low/incel] eventho everyone knows since 100 years exactly what to do. (training/study/work/longterm over instant gratification/planing/efficiency/educated/dont smoke/be social etc.) I had experiences on adhd meds that in a super short time everyone likes me my voice changes, my motivation changes, my diszipline changes but only in very spesific dosage (Experience as a child ~11 years old, so i was not relly different because of the behaviour i choose but pretty raw. Think abou the problems in the world and how they cant be simply explained by free choise but a complex biological mechanism. I think of humans as very complex machine lerning algorythms that had simple start in ebiogenesis as self replicating molecules. That can explain everything even selfless behaviour. You controll parts of your body but other parts your locked out, as a example: you can controll ur breathing but you can’t control ur heartbeat or if you laught at a bad joke or if bad food tastes amazing or if amazing food tastes bad. How much pain u feel, how much motivation, what you like and dislike (of course some humans have more of an ability to steer emotions (PFC executive function), but that seems dependent on spesific levels of dopamine and noradrenaline.
Free will vs determinism. The richest and most motivated people decide right now and why would they say what they did is something other than there greatness rather than a complex interplay including protentially unequal genetic lottery. (I dont know where exactly the lines are) But this issue i believe lyes at the bottom of 90% of the problems of the 21 century right now its a shadow issue and its not popular so dont talk about it too much but keep it in the back of your mind and investigate maybe a bit or see how it may evolve some solutions for some philosophical and political challenges! 😇👍🏼
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nice meme
Answering: „Nice meme“
@Destiny
Here you can see a example of a individual representative of the generalized majority. Notice how it thinks this is a super funny meme, of course without any argument. I deduce that his brain shut down and his emotional impulsive intuition is: „crazy - seems extremely counter intuitive.“
(probably had the exact same impulsive opinion with things like gaymarriage until the majority changed and he followed - like always... )
Its a bit like when you would try to explain weather, physics, biology, or any other modern mainstream concept to a Person 500-1000 years ago or a cavemen. I imagine there is so much missing context (mainly in neuroscience, experiments, knowledge about people who feel very little pain or more pain, rat experiments where all the dopamine receptors are blocked, even human data of a failed diet drug that blocked dopamine receptors… etc. anyway why not start discussing some of those fundamental data in ur stream maybe as a „react to youtube video of person who feels no pain or has a pain illness and is hypersensitive to pain, person who takes dopamine blocker usw usw). Stuff like that 👍🏼
(@@sirjelly72 Whats a meme about it?
Tell me the easy objection that makes it so ridiculous please big brain. Thank you. )
Words words words words
@@hanskraut2018 The fact that you ramble too much and have no clear structure in your text. This isn't meant as hostile but as critique.
First: structure your thought process and text. Add paragraphs and order the sentences in subject groups.
Second stick to one topic. Switching around topics like a frogger game confuses people and makes it very hard to follow your thought process, nothing to do with the complexity of a subject.
Third of all: try keeping it simple. I know it's easy to go on kind addendums about how you reached a certain conclusion but you should let this process develop naturally. Meaning let people engage your points then elaborate otherwise you're only throwing information without context in their face.
Hoped that helped.
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The part around 52:00 when destiny talks about both advocating systemic change while simultaneously advocating individual change sounds a lot like veritasiums episode on luck vs hard work. In a macro sense yeah people get lucky and have no power over a lot of the big things in your life like where you were born, your environment, etc but you also have to kinda simultaneously maximize the opportunities you do happen to have
Why do you have less than 1k comments! But over 100k views. Are you deleting comments???
Would destiny’s “not taxes , but social programs “ argument considered steelManning the hasan issue?
Not really, he is tap dancing around the point a fair bit.
Judging by the mass protests, yeah I would say this guy's view doesn't represent all of the Australians, Now i'm not in Melbourne, but don't just take his opinion as fact.
I hope this doesn't make Aussies look too bad...
Too late
Destinys editor is based
Who is Vaush Hasan? It was the only name in the thumbnail I didnt recognize. Do they have anything to do with popular youtube personalities Vaushvidya or Hasanabi?
Apparently a lot of people don’t understand the stone analogy which totally fits please use this reply section before commenting a “critique” followed by “bad-take destiny”
Lauren Vaush Kyle Tax The
Southern Hasan Kulinski Rich
It’s a bit rich hearing a Queenslander say that NSW ‘shit the bed’ but Victoria just ‘stuffed it up.’ Queensland hasn’t avoided covid because of great leadership, they just had good weather and good luck. It also never spread in Byron (i.e. the anti-vax capital of Australia), that tells you all you need to know as far as I’m concerned
It's half fair in that NSW didn't really jump on the initial outbreak in the way they should have, VIC actually did squash an outbreak from NSW but then couldn't keep others out but yeah.. QLD has mostly been supremely lucky. Kinda crazy that dude was running around SEQLD for a week or whatever without seeding it.
Disagree with this take. Firstly, we have THE most experienced chief health officer Dr Young who has advised four premiers through six different pandemics. Her expertise has helped immensely and Premier Palaszczuk has been wise to listen to her every step of the way. We were very quick to respond as well, locking down our borders and isolating ourselves from pandemic hotspots south of the border (plus enforcing mandatory mask wearing). It is precisely because of great leadership that we have managed to completely avoid dealing with surging cases, deaths, etc.
@@faitht347 I don’t buy that all. There have been so many cases that have be found in Queensland and all of them have come to nothing (I don’t know the exact number because it’s happened so many times now, but I would guess more than 10). Northern NSW (not just Byron but surrounding areas like Lismore) has had a few cases pop up as well but just like in Queensland nothing has come from it. Both areas have similar climates, and because of their climates the building generally have better ventilation and people generally spend more time outside. Both of those help reduce the spread of covid and both would have been the case regardless of the CHO. Contrast that with the ACT, Victoria and NZ, which have colder climates, which all locked down immediately but covid still got out of control. I’m sure Queensland’s public health response has been fine, but they’re or exceptional, they’re just geographically well situated.
@@andrewbazar3302 I agree that in hindsight, NSW should have acted quicker, but I’m not convinced that it wouldn’t have gotten out of control anyway just because of how infectious delta is. I don’t think there were two different outbreaks in Victoria, I think they just thought they’d crushed the initial one but it hadn’t actually gone away (they only had one day of zero cases, and I don’t know about back then but Victoria has consistently had lower testing numbers until very recently). I know of the removalists and the family that left their home when they shouldn’t have, but I don’t know if other confirmed incursions (although I’m sure that more happened later on when it was already too late for them to make a difference anyway); either way, the fact that Victoria’s immediate lockdown didn’t crush it makes me think that NSW locking down immediately would have just delayed cases rather than preventing them.
@@the33rdwalrus you don’t buy that but you think it’s the fucking weather? difference between Brisbane and Sydney isn’t even that extreme
Man I'm Australian and this shit has been oppressive af.
Great conversation, great call in. I really like the way you describe the UNIQUE capabilities of a streamer like Hasan. It made me think of what would happen if MLK decided to just donate charity instead of using his unique talent as a speech giver and linguist that are still amazing to experience today. Hasan could singlehandedly win any local election if he used his influence
Sure but in the convo for Destiny to just say Hasan has done nothing to create the ideology he wants to see outside of streaming was just a lie. In the dem primaries he was canvassing, donating and travelling the country to campaign for Sanders. I mean sure you can campaign locally but that doesnt change the national picture one bit.
@@shoomus3504 I think it's pretty bold for you to say that the way you change the political environment in America is top down instead of starting at the local level, but putting that aside and staying on topic to this specific situation Hasan does not call for his fans to mobilize. It's easy to preach off the back of the presidential election when EVERYONE is paying attention to that. That's also something Destiny was saying that Hasan gained SO much influence during the last presidential election because of how galvanized people were to politics. He benefited himself from the presidential election coverage as much as he engaged with it
@@armandoocana409 Really don't get why so many people think twitch streamers have anywhere near the amount of influence that say Tiktok and Instagram influencers have, comparably its tiny and even if he did get much more politically active in California and in other states if anything thats likely to hurt the candidate he's endorsing due to his controversies. I don't know what you really mean by "call for his fans to mobilize" but he advocates on his streams all the time for people in his stream community to join unions, protest and tells his fans to support socialist candidates in their areas. He benefited from the presidential election because people decided to support his stream idk why you're trying to put that into some sort of dark light.
@@shoomus3504 I'm not going to address the "he hurts the candidate" thing because they talked about that already in the video. As for me "putting it in a bad light" they ALSO talked about in video. It's not BAD he gained more followers, it just seems like Hasan only engages in sofar as he has mutual benefit from whatever he's engaging with. Lastly, ANYONE can make the blanket statement "go join a union, vote for socialists in your area, ect..." What my initial comment was about was the idea of comparing Hasan's influence to that of MLK. MLK did not make blanket commands to his followers about general actions. He strategically targeted specific places that helped him achieve his goal. He mobilized in Birmingham and DC and other places for specific reasons. Hasan can't just say "vote for the leftist near you" because the working class inherently does not have enough time to even find out who the leftist is near them or how their limited time is best used to actually make headway in the "socialist revolution". All anyone like Destiny or me is saying is that Hasan has power that he is wasting. No one is saying Hasan is bad
No he couldn't
I don’t know man, there were massive ausie riots going on over the shit Lauren was talking about.
They were riots from the ultimate fringe anti-vaxxers and agitators. Hardly a mainstream rebuke to the lockdowns/vax mandates.
@@BDKoala Suuuuurrrreeeeee… “ultimate fringe” aka “Née-ATZI’s” aka “ Everyone right of Marxism” . From how I understand it, brain dead commie rhetoric in Australia isn’t much different than here in America. Moral of the story, you can’t say 100% we’re all “ extreme right” etc.
@@trentthehehim3936 You alright cuz? lol
There have been marches in every country around the world. Those marches are full of dipshits who think Covid isnt real, so yeah: fringe idiots.
@@tcritt i think most people in the protest think it's overblown. Im quite sure there are people who think it fake. I however think the governments reaction was and still is too strong. I cant speak for everyone though.
Is the video quality bad for anyone else? I got the vid at 1080p but it looks like 480p
I think the webcam was small in the corner and then August blew it up to full screen
Did August fuck up here? 🤔 It says 1080p but the video looks like 720p at the most
put some respect on my girl Palaszczuk's name
what I learnt from this video is that August is based
Taxation is theft, there are better ways to help people that need help. Funneling money into corrupted bureaucracies is maybe the worst way to do it.
The Australian arc
Praise to August.
Having to typ e with sp aces so the algo rithum doesnt flag you r comment and delete i t is annoyin g
this is a bit random but the chat is very blurry on the left, just letting you know
Stream chats are typically sensored to ensure a video is not demonetized for various things said in chat.
I’m more concerned with how the hell this upper middle class guy is having a six hundred dollar rent.
600 a week or 600 a month?
That was per week, friend
@@verdant23 i must’ve misheard thanks
@@verdant23 damn, he must be on a 6 figure salary!
It's Australian dollars, and median rent in major cities in Australia seems to be about $500 a week, so he's certainly doing above average, but it's not necessarily huge in relation to where he is
There's no reason to assume that the shop will be better run under someone else. And no reason to assume that Hasan's editor might not attract more viewers.
If Cenk at TYT had thought the audience just wanted to see him, he would never have given Hasan, Jimmy Dore and Dave Rubin a chance.
And I don't think we can really compare which one is more difficult.
Am I the only person amazed there are companies that exist in Australia entirety for offsetting your tax burden? Doesn't that seem really fucking weird?
Everyone benefits who cars
Kyosan is Vaush’s AU doppelgänger. It’s uncanny.
Oh yeah you are right
1:08:13 Of all the examples he picked the worst one. This will surprise you but Barbers must carry a certain level of medical knowledge. They need to be able to identify certain skin conditions and how to properly disinfect tools to prevent disease. If he meant specifically cutting hair, different hair types can't be cut the same. For example when shaving Black Clients they are higher risk for razor bumps and ingrown hairs and different tools and techniques need to be used.
Tax the rich is an imprecise slogan.
Tax and eliminate economic rents, the unearned incomes.
Land value tax, severance taxes. Reform to IP. Those measures would effectively 'tax the rich' but without any risk of hitting productivity due to capital flight.
I agree with this, but also it seems like compression of income broadly has socially beneficial effects. I'd be convinced otherwise if it could somehow be shown to drastically decrease productivity
Damn. Defund the police. Systemic racism. Tax the rich. 2021 seems to be the year of leftists saying "our slogan means something different than what we're saying." It's horrible optics and leads to people not believing their intent with what they say.
Isn't rental income already taxed? And what's the use of eliminating rents? I dont see the appeal of eliminating all rent?
@@aronchai Most of the ultra rich don't really get rich from income/wages but from capital gains and most of that is from land or related debt instruments, dig beneath the surface much of the stock markets 'value' is actually land (REITS, banks and mortgage derivates, corporate land holdings etc).
I'm fine with an progressive income tax on the highest earners (though scrap it and payroll taxes for most), it wouldn't in my view be likely cause much dead weight loss (ie loss of productivity) but it's efficacy would be very limited. ie Jeff Bezos wage is/was apparently $80K for example (and note he's now one of the US's largest landowners, just like Bill Gates).
That said it could also be reformed to fall more on rental incomes so be more akin to the effect of a land value tax, historically that was the case, but LVT is more direct and potentially effective.
@@chocolatMouse Rental income is taxed at various rates, LVT is superior as it also taxes imputed rents, ie if a landlord leaves his property vacant waiting for capital gains they have no rental income to tax, it is not fair to tax a landlord who is actually using the land at a higher rate.
The goal of LVT is to tax the externalities, to eliminate the economic rent not the nominal rent itself and encourage best use, rather than land speculation and hoarding.
If you improve your property and can get a higher rent, that would not be taxed under LVT, but if the area around you improves and rents/land prices increase due to others labour, that implicit subsidy should is recouped.
Where is destiny getting his definition of "means of producing" and "capital"? I thought that "means of production" referred specifically to non financial resources.
August is gonna get the channel to 500k
This video should be called: Aussie gets first corporate position and brags about benefits all USA corporations offer as baseline benefits.
I like this Aussie, he's good faith and not a socialist or conservative.
"Kyosan" means "communism" in Japanese, i.e. he's biting his tongue on most issues. Plus, he described himself as a socialist twice under his breath.
He's not completely hiding it, but he's downplaying it to not lose opportunities to gain clout
@@mypartyisprivate8693 My feeling is that if you're a worker and a unionist you're more in contact with grass than the vast majority of online socialists and I'm willing to give you more of a benefit of the doubt, but time will tell
The one thing that hurts my head is that Destiny seriously thinks 5 bucks on a doordash for someone of his wealth is substantial. Bro...I tip 5 bucks. And I'm a middle class fuckboy.
I'm a Swede and the thing he mentioned happened in Malmö was incomplete .. And i don't rememeber it .. So what happened in Malmö 2016?
Paul Joseph Watson, Lauren Southern, Katie Hopkins and others kept going to Malmo and pretending it was one of the most dangerous cities in the world
Lol, why are vaush's and hasan's name written like that in the thumbnail along with others'. Looks like vaush's last name is hasan.
My disagreement on the values thing comes down to this: You misundersand what a socialist is valuing when they say "we should restructure society to work a certain way." Giving money to someone who needs it or paying a worker a certain salary or structuring a business a certain way as an individual is completely different than changing the way society is structured.
As someone who thinks people are going to act on what they believe is their best financial interest, I would say I do not expect someone to act in a way that is clearly not in their best interest. It's about changing what is in someone's best interest, not about not acting in your own best interest.
Basically, I don't see it as some moral failing if someone doesn't pay someone a fair wage, I see it as a societal failing that they can get away with it because of fucking course they would if they could.
Queensland premier isn't competent, neither is Victoria and neither is NSW all of them are hopeless.
QUEENSLANDAAAA!!!
What's your beef with Kulinski
I am having a migrane this man says 'like' 5 times a sentence HOLY SHIIIIIT
I just woke up. August we love you
The problem is the selective distribution of the issuance of money. The solution is equal distribution of the issuance of money.
But it’s impossible to get to that equal issuance without unequal taxation away from the biggest stockpiles of said money.
I mostly agree with Destiny, but taxing rich people even more is the only rational way to re-balance, then we can move forward from there.
Anyone know if he's from the Blindside that did a split ep with No Zodiac?
You don't have to know the exact details of a problem to fix it. If your graphics card dies, you don't have to know what exactly on the graphics card failed. You just replace it. Likewise, you can fix being out of tune with regular maintenance of your instrument, part of which is tuning. People accidently fix problems they don't know about all the time. Steven's argument is nonsense.
Economy is very complicated machine. Unlike computer which is modular and literally created for ease of repair . When you look at very complicated systems with a lot of codependent variables changing one thing can have a cascade effect on the whole system.
Yeah but you know the graphics card dies. So you do know what the problem is.
How would you know that your graphic card dies if you don't have the necessary knowledge to open your pc and check. Less technological literate people would go to a store to get it fixed and the workers tell them what's the problem. How would you replace a graphics card if you don't know where it is, what it is and how to fix it without the details. How would you maintain your instrument without knowing where to tune? You need the exact knowledge. People do accidently fix problems but that's the very few minority, stop discrediting Steven's argument with outliers.
@@chrectorB you can know the card is the issue based on a general understanding of what kind of things signal your card might be going bad. You don’t have to fully understand the problem, just the abstract.
Science does this all the time with Newtonian laws, that don’t fully describe the universe, but do so well enough.
@@aleczitzelberger8123 yes but you need to knowledge on what is wrong with your pc before you can fix it. Take an average of pc users and tell them if they know how to fix their graphics card and replace them. Using the abstract knowledge of a graphics card doesn't help when the person doesn't know the technicality. You need to know the compatibility with PSU, Motherboard and CPU, RAM, the right socket, etc. It's not the matter of general understanding compared to the knowledge of our solar system. While we learn moon phases at a young age, we don't learn how to fix a graphics card or even what it is.
The point about how we don't need to understand the Newtonian law is wrong. While the law doesn't tell us anything about why it happens. Theories on the other hand does. That's the difference of theories and laws. One example of this is gravity, there is Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation( how strong the gravitational pull) and Einstein's Theory of General Relativity(explains why things fall). That's why laws rarely change, theories change a lot as new evidence is found.
Understanding precedes control
August appreciation post.
I have a question, why is every streamer using the same lights that slowly change color in their setting? Is it preference or something meaningful?
It's just a basic way to have a "good" background for cheap. RGB is meta.
Trans rights and bisexual awareness usually UwU
Wait, which one is an accurate statement? 🤨
@@the-renegade the first one, it’s just an easy way to make your background look nice :)
Some can make it work but honestly I find RGB extremely annoying to have on. No lights or a room light is way better imo
Good Kyle Kulinski is a good man
does this editor work for hasan
@48:05 perfectly identified the problem Pc bros - rhetorically helping without actually doing anything then wondering why nothing changed
Payroll taxes are income taxes, they go into the same general fund, and everybody pays them.
Taxes are unjust.
Why does Destiny hate Kulinski? What did he do?
Kulinski says a lot of really dumb sh"t. His foreign policy takes are often terrible. His stance on free speech and opposing appealing through intersectional analysis, etc is horrendeous. Kyle's instigatory political prescriptions (force the vote, progressives need to block dem policies, etc) are sabotage to the progressive movement. And Kyle's story about his father & M4A is *extremely* dumb in Destiny's opinion (more specifically that his father was refusing to seek treatment in general and according to Kyle would have opposed socialied healthcare as well.)
My biggest qualm with Kulinski is how he doesn't like Bill Maher, except in a few cases. Kulinski was right when he said that Bill Maher disregarded Muslim issues (this sentiment was even more evident by Maher's support for Israel). In this example, Kulinski's criticism is justified. But he doesn't do Maher any justice when ignoring everything else that Maher talks about. Maher talked a lot about how Republicans want a civil war, and how Trump galvanizes them to think this way. Maher illuminates a lot of important issues for liberals and normies, and I think Kulinski obfuscates that by only focusing on the bad stuff. I would trust Destiny to give Maher a fairer shake.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Sure. He says some dumb stuff. His foreign policy position is overall correct IMO (that America should get involved in less wars). I think he gets there in a really dumb way, but he’s better than a neocon or a neoliberals Warhawk. He’s a supporter of free speech. So am I tbh. His ideas on how to bring about progressive change are horribly ineffective. I agree there. But there seems to be some personal animus with Kyle and from what I saw, he was always very friendly with Destiny. That’s why I’m wondering.
@@MusaMansu He is middle ground Jimmy dore do if you like dore you will like him.
@@MusaMansu Well the reasons I listed are the reasons I have heard Destiny give. Any time Kyle Kulinski gets brought up in relation to foreign politics, healthcare, or political obstructionism Destiny almost has an aneurysm.
And Kyle's position on free speech are dumb AF. Following his philosophy there can be no such thing as hate speech or censoring of materials. Germany outlawed a sh"t ton of Nazi imagery and positive representation of said nazi's and what-do-ya-know, they have less issues with nazism than america does with Confederacy loyalists. We should have f"cking banned Confederate flags & imagery and made it illegal to glorify the dipsh"ts fighting to own people as slaves. But in Kyle's view that is an absolute non-starter because the concept of free speech is more important to him than the outcomes of it.
Unless people are in academic settings there are things that just lead people to really sh"tty places and thought processes.
Using the stone aegument. The question what is the benefit of lifting the stone.
In term of funding programs, what is the benefit of paying for it for those you expect to fund.
True this yt editor is great