More like 20 years ahead of her time. The Geinger into Pak salto combination is something that's rare even for today, and we still haven't seen a Gaylord II variant done at an FIG event yet. With some minor changes (take out extra giant swing + add a new transition skill from low bar to high bar) she could perform this routine under the 2017-2021 CoP and it would still challenge for a gold medal.
She was at the 1997 Worlds, made FX finals and won a silver on VT. She's also quite good on BB, and her UB prowess is obvious. It's too bad she didn't get to compete in the AA, I thought she was better than Liu Xuan or Kui Yuanyuan in the AA.
Not until they change the code. The 2017-2021 CoP does not reward the Mo Salto, as it typically results in a built-in deduction (dead-hang). Although we do see that it seems possible to connect the Mo salto to another skill and avoid the dead hang (as Zhou does in this video with the Gaylord II), however that's a huge ask. The release is hard enough on it's own, let alone connecting it to another skill. What they need to do is change the CoP to allow for a dead hang after a release IF it is followed immediately by a transition skill (similar to the way Mo Huilan and Bi Wenjing did it). That rule would also apply to the Counter-Kim release move and make it viable again.
Plus the did the Geinger into an immediate Pak Salto too, Such i an nnovative, daring routine would be given the credit it deserves with the new code of points. Thats one thing I do like about this new COP it rewards risk and daring. Problem was in these days, the highest a routine could start from was a 10; this routine should have been marked from a 20 on difficulty alone! Also, isnt the Gaylord 2 a Kovac witha full twist in it???
Not really. It's more like a Geinger over the bar. It's normally done in the piked position. The variation seen here doesn't really have a name in either men's or women's gymnastics.
Look up Mostepanovafan's Uneven Bar Release Guide. Only Mo Huilan's Gaylord is ranked in the new COP. Zhou Duan is the only person to have competed this skill in WAG and she never competed it in Worlds or Olympics so it is not named for her and it is not in the code of points. In Men's it is called the Gaylord II. If another gymnast performs this skill at worlds or olympics it will be named after her and added to the CoP
This routine is about 20 years ahead of its time. Zhou Duan was borne in the wrong era. If the new CoP was in place then, she would have been the queen of UB. It is simply unconscionable for her to get such a low score. Should have made those judges do a gaylord 2.
@KarpfenKarpfen It will be rated at least as difficult as the Gaylord, or Mo Salto which Mo Huilan did. Other things there is a base line... like on Balance Beam any salto done with a 2 foot take off is a D rating... so you know you have at least that. I'm sure they have an accurate way to calculate it.
@GnomaticReverie You're probably right, but today's judges are more obsessed with hitting the handstand than ever before. That seems to be her weakness. But a Gaylord 2/Deltchev? Respect!
Can anybody educate me why she only got a 9.50? This is GAYLORD II + hip circle 1/2 + Gienger !!!! Totally insane. And she stuck the landing. There are a few form breaks, but a 9.50? wtf.
@MaebySurelyBarely Sorry im only just replying!Yes thanks for your explanation: I understand it better now. Its hard to see these releases properly sometimes, they happen so fast, its often difficult to work out when the twists happen and how many, thanks again:)
sorry? I dont understand your response xD I only asked how difficult this skill is ranked in the new CoP or do you mean its not ranked because she didnt do it at worlds or olympics? Sounds a bit illogical^^
oh, i see, I'm sorry.But i still have a question: If another gymnasts has to perform it first at Worlds or Olympics so the skill will get a rating, how can a gymnast include a skill without knowing how difficult it is? How can you tell the gymnast's d-score without that information?
I believe the gaylord I is the Mo Salto for women.....the gaylord II...is from back giants. Unless I have it backwards....either way the Mo Salto(whether that is the gaylord i or gaylord ii) is the one that comes from inverts or front giants.
Wait did her Gaylord never make its way into the women's code at all because of the dumb old rules? Does it still technically not exist or have a rating? (Though presumably it would be a G like the Mo Salto, which I can see *is* in the current CoP).
This skill was never performed at an FIG event (World Championships, World Cup, or Olympic Games) and consequently has no name in the CoP. It should be called the Zhou Salto (as she is clearly the first person to ever do this), but it wasn't done at a big enough competition unfortunately. I agree that it most likely would have the same value "G" as a Mo Salto, as this is essentially a variation of the Gaylord II.
What. A. Routine! That is a fabulous variation of the Gaylord II, and she worked out of it so beautifully. Fantastic move.
That was amazing! One of the most exciting bar routines I've ever seen.
What a shame she didn’t have the chance to do this internationally so she could be given the skill.
WOW!!! Why was she never at worlds or Olympics! That was AMAZING!
boytoyville she was at 1997 Worlds and picked up two medals!
Man, and this was 1997? This woman was ten or more years ahead of her time!!
More like 20 years ahead of her time. The Geinger into Pak salto combination is something that's rare even for today, and we still haven't seen a Gaylord II variant done at an FIG event yet. With some minor changes (take out extra giant swing + add a new transition skill from low bar to high bar) she could perform this routine under the 2017-2021 CoP and it would still challenge for a gold medal.
Bi Wenjing is Duan's best friend. Just see their pictures on Bi's blog
She was at the 1997 Worlds, made FX finals and won a silver on VT. She's also quite good on BB, and her UB prowess is obvious. It's too bad she didn't get to compete in the AA, I thought she was better than Liu Xuan or Kui Yuanyuan in the AA.
Imagine going from a Mo Salto into a Hindorff as a combination. That would be so incredible. Someone needs to bring this skill back.
G skill+ E skill. What CV would that be worth?
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Not until they change the code. The 2017-2021 CoP does not reward the Mo Salto, as it typically results in a built-in deduction (dead-hang). Although we do see that it seems possible to connect the Mo salto to another skill and avoid the dead hang (as Zhou does in this video with the Gaylord II), however that's a huge ask. The release is hard enough on it's own, let alone connecting it to another skill. What they need to do is change the CoP to allow for a dead hang after a release IF it is followed immediately by a transition skill (similar to the way Mo Huilan and Bi Wenjing did it). That rule would also apply to the Counter-Kim release move and make it viable again.
@@captainbryce1the code has had those few releases exempt from that deduction since at least 2013
idk why this popped into my feed but WOW - this could still worth a lot in the current COP? 3 release moves in the 90s unheard of.
Plus the did the Geinger into an immediate Pak Salto too, Such i an nnovative, daring routine would be given the credit it deserves with the new code of points. Thats one thing I do like about this new COP it rewards risk and daring. Problem was in these days, the highest a routine could start from was a 10; this routine should have been marked from a 20 on difficulty alone! Also, isnt the Gaylord 2 a Kovac witha full twist in it???
Like a covacs with a half twist
Not really. It's more like a Geinger over the bar. It's normally done in the piked position. The variation seen here doesn't really have a name in either men's or women's gymnastics.
Mostepanova fan includes this in her guide as a 'skill we might see again' but the rating is a dash meaning it does not have one in the CoP
Look up Mostepanovafan's Uneven Bar Release Guide. Only Mo Huilan's Gaylord is ranked in the new COP. Zhou Duan is the only person to have competed this skill in WAG and she never competed it in Worlds or Olympics so it is not named for her and it is not in the code of points. In Men's it is called the Gaylord II. If another gymnast performs this skill at worlds or olympics it will be named after her and added to the CoP
wow!! love it.. that first release was siiick
Awesome routine, and I love the 007 on her back.
0:20 amazing.
This routine is about 20 years ahead of its time. Zhou Duan was borne in the wrong era. If the new CoP was in place then, she would have been the queen of UB.
It is simply unconscionable for her to get such a low score. Should have made those judges do a gaylord 2.
@KarpfenKarpfen It will be rated at least as difficult as the Gaylord, or Mo Salto which Mo Huilan did. Other things there is a base line... like on Balance Beam any salto done with a 2 foot take off is a D rating... so you know you have at least that. I'm sure they have an accurate way to calculate it.
@GnomaticReverie You're probably right, but today's judges are more obsessed with hitting the handstand than ever before. That seems to be her weakness. But a Gaylord 2/Deltchev? Respect!
5.4 in the new code!
thanks for explaining^^
Can anybody educate me why she only got a 9.50? This is GAYLORD II + hip circle 1/2 + Gienger !!!! Totally insane. And she stuck the landing. There are a few form breaks, but a 9.50? wtf.
Just Super!
@MaebySurelyBarely Sorry im only just replying!Yes thanks for your explanation: I understand it better now. Its hard to see these releases properly sometimes, they happen so fast, its often difficult to work out when the twists happen and how many, thanks again:)
sorry? I dont understand your response xD
I only asked how difficult this skill is ranked in the new CoP
or do you mean its not ranked because she didnt do it at worlds or olympics?
Sounds a bit illogical^^
this was .... amaaaazing!!!! what happened to her afterward?
How difficult is her amazing first release ranked in the new CoPß
Also the Gaylord 2 is like a Kovacs with a full twist in it too.
oh, i see, I'm sorry.But i still have a question: If another gymnasts has to perform it first at Worlds or Olympics so the skill will get a rating, how can a gymnast include a skill without knowing how difficult it is?
How can you tell the gymnast's d-score without that information?
@KarpfenKarpfen its not... only the Mo Salto is.. she never did this at worlds or Olympics
Swinging wise, she is as good as he kexin. perfect giant technique before her release! swings like the men!
JESUS.
well, i believe the gaylord one is done in an inverted giant to a front flip over the bars. the gaylord it is a geiger flip over the bars
or World Cup Final
Stupid question but what grip does she catch the Gaylord II in? Regular or backwards grip?
there are empty swings in this routine? do you mean just plain giants with no pirouetting?
I believe the gaylord I is the Mo Salto for women.....the gaylord II...is from back giants. Unless I have it backwards....either way the Mo Salto(whether that is the gaylord i or gaylord ii) is the one that comes from inverts or front giants.
Only a 9.5??? WTF!
yes, the Gaylord I is the Mo Salto.
Wait did her Gaylord never make its way into the women's code at all because of the dumb old rules? Does it still technically not exist or have a rating? (Though presumably it would be a G like the Mo Salto, which I can see *is* in the current CoP).
This skill was never performed at an FIG event (World Championships, World Cup, or Olympic Games) and consequently has no name in the CoP. It should be called the Zhou Salto (as she is clearly the first person to ever do this), but it wasn't done at a big enough competition unfortunately. I agree that it most likely would have the same value "G" as a Mo Salto, as this is essentially a variation of the Gaylord II.
Unfortunately not. I guess a skill can only be named in Olympics or worlds.