IND Hillside Ave Extension | Lines That Never Were
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- In this video, we will talk about the IND Hillside Ave extension, including its history, remnants, and whether the IND Hillside Ave extension is needed today.
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This is a good idea. I live in Nassau County. I use to live in Briarwood. The E and F trains was my regular trains for a few years. I hope the MTA do this in the future.
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We definitely need one, given how congested Hillside Avenue is.
I prefer phase 2A of the F train extension better than the previous plans because people who live in the Northeast area of Queens, NY like Douglaston, Little Neck, Bellerose, and Queens Village need more subway stations in their community.
The F train proposal doesn’t come close to Little Neck and Douglaston, but rather serves Floral Park and Bellerose near the Nassau border, but otherwise, I am in agreement with you.
Don’t worry about Fredrick Wells. His arguments aren’t valid and proposes really dumb ideas that no one likes, all while opposing common sense ideas proposed by myself, other rail enthusiasts, and even MTA themselves. Makes me think that he really isn’t a New Yorker and doesn’t ride mass transit a lot.
Yassss another vid from one of my fav channels, as you should 👍🏾
I wish they released videos more often! Their ideas are much needed!
Fun fact: Using the map, I made the F line go through Hillside as well and into Springfield blvd along with the M, but made it go further into Jericho turnpike…
Honestly it would be nice to see the F train extended along Hillside Avenue to Springfield Blvd and eventually Little Neck Pkwy. Not only would it provide better coverage in Southeast Queens but it could also, in tandem with a 7 train extension along Northern Blvd to Bell Blvd, create a bus network grid with crosstown bus routes that could go to places other than Jamaica and Flushing. With an extension to Little Neck Pkwy, there could also be some new bus routes on Winchester Blvd and Douglaston Pkwy to better link the F train and the LIRR.
@NYC_Pokemon_Fan As much as I would love to do that, I feel that regional rail on PW is a complement rather than a replacement for the 7 subway along Northern Blvd, especially since the 7 along Northern would provide better transit connectivity to buses in NE Queens and coverage to other areas, especially LIC. Over the past few days I’ve also been privy to this idea of having the extension continue past Bell Blvd along Northern Blvd into Nassau County to the Great Neck LIRR station, and from there having it take over the LIRR Port Washington Branch to Port Washington (the entire branch in west of Great Neck would be abandoned). This could provide increased capacity, faster and more frequent service and enhanced connectivity in ways the PW Branch cannot and could potentially free up LIRR resources for other lines. Now the caveat to that is that additional infrastructure on both existing lines are required for this to work, and I’m talking about an double tracking the PW Line, quad tracking the Flushing Line east of Queensboro Plaza (which right now is an impossibility) for bi-direction express service, etc. Don’t even get me started with the bureaucracy. However it is something that should be looked into if we can all get our shit together and work together like grown adults.
Speaking of the elevated structure at QBP, can we like clear up that elevated structure that’s full of old trackways or whatnot? It would be nice to condense that structure a bit and make it a tad bit nicer. Just saying.
@NYC_Pokemon_Fan That’s a long term plan, and Regional Rail is no substitute for a subway expansion in many cases, including Northern. I would save Whitestone for another route sometime soon.
@NYC_Pokemon_Fan True though extending the 7 does seem to have more benefits, like more frequent service, better accessibility, etc. Regional Rail on the PW Line would mostly be limited to every 10 minutes considering the need to share the tunnel with Amtrak and NJ Transit. The subway also has better connectivity with much of the rest of the city since the 7 makes a few more stops and connects with other lines (whereas a Regional Rail would only serve Penn Station or Grand Central).
In fact both Regional Rail and a 7 subway extension on Northern Blvd would work in tandem together rather than one replacing the other, with the former speeding trips to Manhattan and the latter providing better intraborough connectivity. No reason for the two to not coexist with one another. In the end though, any Regional Rail system will still mostly be for suburban commuters.
@@TheRailLeaguerRegional rail along the Port Washington Branch can run every 5 minutes, actually, in combination with through-running at Penn Station, with 6 TPH worth of space left for Amtrak intercity service. With European EMUs, it would act more like rapid-transit, but on a mainline railroad, with a subway-commuter hybrid seating layout. This would be sufficient for Northeast Queens, aside from a 7 Extension to Whitestone via College Point, and a Northern Blvd Subway connecting with regional rail at Auburndale. Converting outer-PW to subway operations isn’t smart, as the line east of Great Neck can be left alone as single-track (with trains running every 10 minutes). It is also much more cost effective, as the PW Branch would already be running similarly to a subway line (12 TPH vs. 15-18 TPH with your proposed 7 Extension). It also allows more capacity towards Whitestone and College Point, rather than being stuck on a branch line, meaning the neighborhoods can be built up to high density.
@@TMC_BC Well that doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be used in place of the 7 train extension to Bayside. Both are pretty useful (though I do have some intentions for it to take over Port Washington into Nassau County, ONLY if additional capacity and infrastructure improvements can be made).
There’s also another issue for connectivity as the 7 train can reach areas that Regional Rail can’t, like additional locations within LIC, like Court Square.
I favor your option 2. It can also provide better access to Nassau County buses.
That’s what LIRR is for
After watching this video, I definitely support this idea and there is some flavor that can be added to this idea. I was in Floral Park on Friday, just yesterday, and I realized for the F line, keep the both spur extensions,( One to 268th St/Langsdale St) to Bellerose, and (two to the LIRR Floral Park Station) to Floral Park via Tulip Ave, Jericho Turnpike/ Jamaica Ave and Braddock Ave. Now the flavor of this idea. Also since the Elmont UBS Arena is in existence, extend the J train from Jamaica Center to Floral Park via Archer Ave,93rd Ave, Jamaica Ave and via parallel to the LIRR where the J train can have a stop for the UBS Arena and it can connect to the F train and the LIRR at Floral Park as well. The J train will have 8 stops. After Jamaica Center, these stops are 168th At, 177th St, 184th St, 190th St(where connections can be made also to the LIRR), Francis Lewis Blvd, Hempstead Ave, Springfield Blvd(where connections can be made also to the LIRR), Elmont UBS Arena, Commonwealth Blvd and Floral Park Station, where Transfers can be made to the F train and the LIRR. This also when events are held at the UBS Arena, can reduce overcrowding on the LIRR, considering with parking being difficult at the UBS Arena, having a Subway line serving the UBS Arena will be a huge benefit for residents of the NYC 5 boroughs and as well as the residents of long Island as well. Something to share with Tech Transit Association
If this does ever happen, It would be a good idea to have express service for the extension. Since the is only really express on Culver with the G, it would be a nice idea for it to also be on the Jamaica extension where the local F is, since there will be a lot of stops to be added if the extension does happen.
Given the frequency of the express service east of Union Turnpike, there’s no need for an express service on the extension. However what can be done is extending local service from Forest Hills to Jamaica-179th Street and having the F run express through this section, essentially remaining on the express tracks all the way. Since there are two local services, service frequencies at the local stops between those two points are increased.
Essentially you’re trading four (75th Av, Briarwood, Sutphin Blvd, and 169th Street) stops for five (188th Street, 197th Street, Francis Lewis Blvd, 214th Street, Springfield Blvd).
@@TheRailLeaguersounds about right
The 1939 plan would have been great. Hopefully, it is revisited since many Eastern Queens neighborhoods are transit deserts.
Not only that, the Q46 would be less packed if the F was extended past 179th Street. That bus is a nightmare, especially during rush hour.
The ideas from this video are genius.
I agree 👍 that the line should be extended towards the Nassau County Line.
We should definitely build an extension along Hillside Avenue, towards Glen Oaks. The extension should continue using 4 tracks up until Cross Island Parkway, after which it’ll be 2 tracks running along Union Turnpike, towards Glen Oaks-260th Street. The R will stop at 75th Avenue, Briarwood, Sutphin Boulevard, and 169th Street while the F skips those stations entirely.
Stations I propose:
Hollis-188th Street (R)
196th-197th Streets (R)
Francis Lewis Boulevard (R)
Hollis Court Boulevard-212th Street (F)(R)
Springfield Boulevard-Braddock Avenue (R)
Winchester Boulevard (R)
Cross Island Parkway-Commonwealth Boulevard (F) (R TERMINAL)
Little Neck Parkway (F)
Glen Oaks-260th Street (F TERMINAL)
The original plans for Queens Blvd called for no express zones between 179th and Springfield Blvd. In fact, the IND had local trains go to 179th Street with the express trains making all stops to there, and then make all stops to Springfield Blvd, so it would be better for the extension to be constructed as a two-track extension with no provisions for extra tracks.
I have these stations for the [F] route from 71st Avenue to New Hyde Park-Lakeville Road:
Ⓜ New Hyde Park-Lakeville Road
Ⓜ 267th Street
Ⓜ 259th Street
Ⓜ 249th Street
Ⓜ 240th Street
Ⓜ 229th Street
Ⓜ 218th Street
Ⓜ 212th Street-Hollis Court Boulevard
Ⓜ 205th Street
Ⓜ 196th Street
Ⓜ 188th Street
Ⓜ 179th Street (F)
Ⓜ 169th Street (F)
Ⓜ Parsons Boulevard (F)
Ⓜ Sutphin Boulevard (F)
Ⓜ Briarwood (F)
Ⓜ Union Turnpike (F)
Ⓜ 75th Avenue (F)
Ⓜ 71st Avenue (F)
@@TheRailLeaguerknow, but I do think it would be nice to have it be 4 tracks. In fact, it would be pretty cool to have part of the line built with the Manhattan-bound tracks on the lower level and the Cross Island Parkway-bound tracks on the upper, kinda like what you’d see on CPW or on the Eastern Parkway line between Franklin Avenue and Crown Heights.
I believe that 196th-197th Streets, Francis Lewis Boulevard, Hollis Court Boulevard-212th Street, and Springfield Boulevard should be built with this layout.
@@VinceHere98 Yeah but it’s not really necessary with the capacity and service this extension will get.
It definitely is needed Nassau is a sister County to Queens NY 🏝️
Politic in Nassau and Westchester Counties would never allow a NYC Subway line to go there. Thats why the 2/5 ends at Wakefield 241 Street, and the A ends at Far Rockaway which are very short distances from these counties.
Not sure what to say of the extension ideas. I am a daily rider of the (F) Train and I would really appreciate a 188 St Station for a faster and more efficient ride into Manhattan.
In my opinion, that extension probably should not go past Braddock Av due to the extremely-low amount of things you can work with in ridership, like commercial. I would extend the F up to Oakland Gardens just because that area is a somewhat dense housing project, and is good for an extension.
Any other problem father than that can be fixed by either improving NICE service or LIRR frequencies. Queens Village i’d ok with LIRR
I don't like the F train extending up to serve Oakland Gardens. That would make a more circuitous route than needed. Instead, a 7 train branch via the LIE would work better, as LIE is more dense, and more people in Bayside/Oakland Gardens are heading to Flushing and Manhattan, and the 7 serves both those areas.
But, I agree that LIRR frequencies should be boosted and the City Ticket should be reduced to $2.75 (or $3 tops). People can already cover long distances on the subway for $2.75, so why can't they do it on the LIRR?
@@jointransitassociationthe LIE is near that area. Two, you implemented the northern Blvd subway to the LIE with one of the sixth avenue service in the transit military budget video
These should be the [F] route stations on the IND Hillside Avenue Line extension:
Ⓜ New Hyde Park-Lakeville Road
Ⓜ 267th Street
Ⓜ 259th Street
Ⓜ 249th Street
Ⓜ 240th Street
Ⓜ 229th Street
Ⓜ 218th Street
Ⓜ 212th Street-Hollis Court Boulevard
Ⓜ 205th Street
Ⓜ 196th Street
Ⓜ 188th Street
Never.
As a F train rider from Jamaica hills since when I was 2 years old, this train has benefitted me so much. Having it extend to little neck parkway near Northwell hospitals and suburban areas proves useful. The buses on hillside Ave cause more traffic and congestion to an already congested street in rush hours. The hillside extension to bellerose would solve so much congestion, would be affordable and would be speedy. Let’s use less buses.
I feel like you should have mentioned that the Q43 and Q36 see so much ridership that both of them have LTD routes too. This is still an excellent video though
Yet their Ltd service is nowhere to be found outside rush hour till the redesign begins
I lived in Queens Village between Francis Lewis and Springfield Boulevards, and I can assure you the Q43 (either local or Limited) wasn't enough. A subway to Springfield would have been a Godsend.
They should still build it (including a 212th St stop), and it should continue along Hillside to Little Neck Pkwy, demarcation lines be damned. Then make a right off Hillside to end/begin at the Floral Park LIRR station. Suburban Queens will only get denser, so the MTA would do well to plan for the future accordingly.
For Phase 2, instead of extending in Nassau County to the Floral Park LIRR station, swing the line SSW off Braddock along the Cross Island Parkway right of way and end the line at Superior Road at the Elmont UBS LIRR station. It avoids the following:
1) Going into Nassau County except for part of the walkway from the last stop to the LIRR station and connection to the arena and Belmont Park.
2) It avoids tunneling under a large stretch of suburban homes until reaching Massachusetts Blvd. or a sharp curve from Jericho Tpk. onto Massachusetts Blvd.
On the positive side:
1) It brings you to a newer station on the LIRR with a larger commuter parking lot than at Bellerose.
2) It brings you to a location (Belmont Park and UBS Arena) where more people from the rest of NY City would want to go.
3) It brings you to a commuter lot with direct egress to both the northbound and southbound Cross Island Parkway, which means it would serve SE and NE Queens as well as Nassau County.
4) A better location for the terminal station means more ridership, which in turn makes it more economically feasible.
Literally any extension for eastern queens should be considered at this point.
F to Little Neck Pkwy or Floral Park
E to Cambria Heights or Rosedale
7 to Whitestone and Marathon Pkwy (aka your 7 train project lol)
J extension?
The & (E) should instead be extended to Brooklyn & Staten Island via the Verrazzano Narrows Bridge.
@@bennythepenny5831 the honor of going to Staten Island by the Verrazano bridge goes to the R and
@@transitimprover I don't see the going via the bridge, but want the to go over the Verrazano Narrows Bridge. Screw Robert Moses!
The should run to New Hyde Park-Lakeville Road, while the (F) should terminate at Jamaica-179th Street.
The should run to South Hempstead-Southern State Parkway via Merrick local & Peninsula Boulevard.
The {} should run to Cambria Heights-229th Street, while the {(ACE)} should terminate at 76th Street.
The should run to Cross Island Parkway-Alley Pond Park, while the (7) should terminate at Flushing-Main Street.
The should run to West Hempstead-Sycamore Street via the rebuilt & extended BMT Jamaica Elevated Line above Jamaica Avenue & Hempstead Turnpike. The (J) should terminate at 168th Street.
@@bennythepenny5831 why do you like making every service have an express variant? By running trains together on the 4 track segments, we don’t need to do a split
If this extension gets built, the local and express tracks east of Forest Hills may be used consistently, that being local trains staying on the local tracks and express trains staying on the express tracks. Currently, local trains short-turn at Forest Hills via the yard tracks and express trains switch to the local tracks. This is due to low ridership further down the line. It would be oddly satisfying to see the tracks used as they’re supposed to.
I completely agree. It is imperative that the F be extended to either Springfield or Little Neck Parkway. Yes, with all the new middle class housing development being constructed there, there will be more demand for a subway line expansion.
I also think that a Union Turnpike line should be considered, but only until about Francis Lewis Blvd because beyond that is nothing but suburban development and park space. I just read an article that mentioned people complaining about long waits for the q46. From the Kew Gardens station until Francis Lewis blvd, there are lots of businesses on that corridor that could benefit from more reliable transportation other than the one bus.
I will actually be trying to see this for myself on Sunday.
It’s just crazy how this great plan had to be halted due to about 3 reasons. 1, World War II, 2. The 1975 fiscal crisis year, and 3. Robert Moses, the man known for hating subways. I also say that the 2nd Avenue line pretty much took away from all other proposed projects that would’ve better served other low, working/middle class communities.
If you’re going to Francis Lewis, then you’re better off extending this Union Turnpike line to Springfield Blvd. It could provide event more service over there.
@@TheRailLeaguer That was my first thought; extending it to Springfield or beyond, but after looking at the map and riding the q46 on Sunday, it’s nothing but park space and suburban development. You’re risking possible push back from the suburban residents who might prefer cars, or very low ridership
@@calvinkendrick851 possibly though Springfield Blvd also has a frequent bus line there that connects to Queensborugh CC, so having the line end there would be a boon for them too.
@@TheRailLeaguer right, now if the train continues to run underground then there maybe a fighting chance for the line to continue there on the turnpike. If not, the best thing may be to turn the line north onto Francis Lewis, turn right onto Horace Harding, maybe stop at Bell Blvd, and end at Springfield Blvd. Only because there’s a gap between Francis Lewis and Springfield in terms of commercial area. If elevated, The residents of Hollis Hills probably won’t take a positive approach to a subway. They would say 1) it’s an eye sore, 2) it makes noise and ruins the quietness of the community.
The same man you THINK hated subways wanted the Rockaway Beach Branch to be converted into one.
Also, no subway line in NYC was demolished because of him.
Thats also why Little Neck Parkway, Springfield Blvd, were made very wide in anticipation for the extension of the (F) line to operate there with the N line extended there as part of their plan during the 1950's thru the 1970's. However these Democrooks would never keep their dirty hands out of the COOKIE JAR, thus these extensions were NEVER BUILT.The MTA's 1968 Program for action and for expansion was NEVER carried due to these actions done by same in the 1970's. Stops were also planned for 189 Street, Francis Lewis Blvd, Hollis Court Blvd/Clearview Expwy, Springfield Blvd, Commonweatlh Blvd and finally Little Neck Parkway, and would remove the many bus lines from the Jamaica area as well.
Although I'm not from NYC, it sounds like a good idea! My thoughts? Wherever it's extended it should be built as a 4 track tunnel until a point where only 2 tracks are needed, where it can come up and continue as a skytrain much like Miami's Metrorail. Ideally, the endstation would be at an existing LIRR commuter rail station where people can transfer between the two lines.
There is no need for four tracks past 179th Street. The extension of the Queens Blvd Line can do with just two tracks. No more, no less
Whare are you from?
Ideally, all Queens lines that go to eastern Queens should be extended to the Queens-Nassau border. My idea:
1) Split the E into two branches. One continues past Jamaica Center down Merrick Blvd and ends at Laurelton-Springfield Blvd. Stations: Liberty Av, 108-109 Sts, Linden Blvd, Baisley Blvd, Farmers Blvd.
The second branch runs express to 179 St, then continues solo to Floral Park-268 St.
Stations: 188 St, Francis Lewis Blvd, Queens Village-Springfield Blvd, Bellrose Manor, Little Neck Pkwy.
2) Extend the J/Z past Jamaica Center down Jamaica Av to Braddock Av.
Stations: 168 St-Merrick Blvd, 179 Pl, Hollis-188 St, Francis Lewis Blvd, Springfield Blvd
3) Extend the 7 past Main St down Northern Blvd to Little Neck Pkwy.
Local stations: Crocheron Av, Utopia Pkwy, Francis Lewis Blvd
Express stations: Bayside-Bell Blvd
After that, one stop at Douglaston before ending at Little Neck Pkwy.
Sounds very interesting
Can you do a video and your thoughts about the New Lots Ave extension to Spring Creek ( Gateway Mall)
I instead want the [3] to be extended to Rosedale-Francis Lewis Boulevard via Fountain Avenue, Flatlands Avenue, 156th Avenue, 155th Avenue, Nassau Expressway, & 147th Avenue. The should run to Rosedale-Francis Lewis Boulevard, while the (3) should terminate at New Lots Avenue.
@@bennythepenny5831 the honor of going to Rosedale should be done by the (E) the 3 should go to Manhattan Beach via the Nostrand Avenue line and the (4) should go to Gateway Center in Spring Creek
@@bennythepenny5831 personally I think the 2/3 should go to Brooklyn college and the 4/5 go to New Lots and with the 5 Extended to Kings Plaza Mall (Utica Ave extension) this de interlining would fix the rogers junction issue. The 4 can get the extension to Spring Creek or Howard Beach
@@transitimprover I prefer the to run to South Hempstead-Southern State Parkway via Merrick local & Peninsula Boulevard. The should instead be the one to terminate at Manhattan Beach-MacKenzie Street. The Nostrand Avenue Line should only run to Sheepshead Bay-Emmons Avenue. There should also be an IRT 12th street line merging with the IRT Nostrand Avenue Line just before Church Avenue as a lower-level express service. The lower level should serve the & . There should be two lines that merge with the IRT Nostrand Avenue Line. The IRT 12th Street Line & IRT Flatlands Avenue Elevated Line should merge with the IRT Nostrand Avenue Line, while the first two to split away should be the IRT Gerritsen Beach Elevated Line just after the Quentin Road Station & IRT Gravesend Neck Elevated Line. There should also be a line separating from the IRT Gerritsen Beach Elevated Line & IRT Gravesend Neck Elevated Line just after the Avenue T Station & the IRT Seagate Elevated Line just after the Brigham Street station & IRT Cropsey Avenue Elevated Line just after the Haraway Avenue Station. The should run the entire IRT Nostrand Avenue Line to Sheepshead Bay-Emmons Avenue. The should run the entire Gerritsen Beach Elevated Line from the Rogers Avenue Junction to Gerritsen Beach. The should run from the IRT 12th Street Line onto the IRT Cropsey Avenue Elevated Line to Coney Island-Neptune Avenue. The should run on the IRT 12th Street Line to the IRT Seagate Elevated Line to Seagate-Surf Avenue. The [15] & [16] should run on the IRT Flatlands Avenue Elevated to Staten Island via the IRT Gravesend Neck Elevated Line & IRT Kings-Richmond Tunnel. The Rogers Avenue Junction should have an underpass for the [2] & .
The stations on the IRT Nostrand Avenue Line should be:
Ⓜ President Street (2)
Ⓜ Sterling Street (2)
Ⓜ Winthrop Street (2)
Ⓜ Church Avenue (2)
Ⓜ Beverly Road (2)
Ⓜ Newkirk Avenue-Little Haiti (2)
Ⓜ Flatbush Avenue (2)
Ⓜ Avenue J
Ⓜ Avenue L
Ⓜ Kings Highway (15) (16)
Ⓜ Quentin Road (15) (16)
Ⓜ Avenue T (15) (16)
Ⓜ Avenue W
Ⓜ Avenue Z
Ⓜ Sheepshead Bay-Emmons Avenue
The stations on the IRT Gerritsen Beach Elevated Line should be:
Ⓜ Ford Street
Ⓜ Brigham Street
Ⓜ Allen Avenue
Ⓜ Everett Avenue
Ⓜ Cyrus Avenue
Ⓜ Gerritsen Beach
The stations on the IRT Gravesend Neck Elevated Line should be:
Ⓜ Bedford Avenue (15) (16)
Ⓜ East 16th Street (15) (16)
Ⓜ Ocean Parkway (15) (16)
Ⓜ McDonald Avenue (15) (16)
Ⓜ West 9th Street (15) (16)
Ⓜ Benson Avenue (15) (16)
Ⓜ Haraway Avenue (15) (16)
The IRT Seagate Elevated Line should have these stations:
Ⓜ Plumb Beach Channel
Ⓜ Voohries Avenue
Ⓜ MacKenzie Street
Ⓜ Ocean Avenue
Ⓜ Corbin Place
Ⓜ Brighton 4th Street
Ⓜ Shell Road
Ⓜ Stillwell Avenue
Ⓜ Cropsey Avenue
Ⓜ Bayview Avenue
Ⓜ Seagate-Surf Avenue
The stations on the IRT Cropsey Avenue Elevated Line should be:
Ⓜ Bay 46th Street
Ⓜ Belt Parkway
Ⓜ Coney Island-Neptune Avenue
My thoughts on the IND Hillside Avenue extension on the (F) Train is extended to Floral Park Atlantic Avenue/Caroline Place Station and be an Island platform with the end yellow rails, to connect the Long Island Rail Road. Also have the (G)/(R) Train's extend to Bellerose 251st Street/Little Neck Parkway Station to an 2 Island platforms, so that the (F) Train could continue to run express in Hillside Avenue except late nights. (G)/(R) Train's shouldn't be running in Queens Boulevard and Hillside Avenue Lines on late nights. The (E) Train should also be extend to Floral Park Atlantic Avenue/Caroline Place Station with the (F) Train during AM/PM Rush Hours and run Express in Hillside Avenue with the (F). (E)/(F) Train's can run Local in Queens Boulevard on late night service with the 6th Avenue (M) Train to The Rockaway's with the (A) Trian at all times, for Queens Link on The Rockaway Beach Branch. The (F) can run Local in Hillside Avenue on the late night service by itself. The (G)/(R) run Local in Hillside Avenue/Queens Boulevard except late night. The (F) run Express in Hillside Avenue expect late night.
Yea F extended to Springfield blvd- Braddock av and the E to Frances Lewis blvd via merrick blvd . Eastern and south eastern queens will get better and quicker access to Manhattan
Guys I’m sorry about Fredrick Wells. This nimrod is proposing nonsensical ideas and loves defending them nonstop despite hearing every argument against it.
I don't want to gossip but I'm similarly frustrated. I'm in Facebook groups for the Queens and Brooklyn Bus Network Redesigns and have stopped responding to ideas that are 100% impractical. I just do an angry react instead and continue scrolling.
(He makes good suggestions every once in a while though. My favorite is extending today's Q39, which MTA wants to replace with a faster Q67 with fewer stops, to Broadway Junction, an idea that I tried to make feasible by suggesting a busway on Halsey Street so that this extension takes 15 minutes to drive instead of 30, like on today's winding B20.)
@@samuelitooooo I agree, especially when he is against common sense Subway expansion proposals that can benefit everyone and the system as a whole.
You are no better
@@samuelitooooowhy not link to the L at ridge wood? Never mind the L at Hasley is enough
@@qjtvaddict For sure a transfer to the L at Halsey is a priority. But it would also connect with the M and all the buses that already go to Myrtle-Wyckoff - except the B52 and B54.
I guess the question is whether people who take this route want either the B52 and B54, or the B60 and all the transit connections (and development coming soon) at Broadway Junction. But also I think small extensions to the B52 and B54 would be good, to further help with Brooklyn-Queens connectivity. One can run to where the Q39 terminates today and relieve the Q55, and the other can go to Metro Mall for even more bus connections.
Well hope it will become a reality in 50 years
As a child looking at this 3:02 😳 An over built IND, next to a very under built BMT. You knew it wasn't about people, it was revenge. And they used the public's money to build this outlandish project.
But at least they should've provided a connection to this line initially. Queens Blvd does cross into Jamaica Avenue as it decinds to nothingness. Not the major thoroughfare that people are use to seeing.
Utilize express tracks from Continental Avenue to 179st & Hillside like you did years ago 1950s 1960s
I'm not going to lie here, but I think maybe the E or the F should be extended to Belmont Park-UBS Arena
Have the (E) go via Jamaica Ave and the (F) via Hillside (east of 179th Street) then to make a sharp right onto Springfield then it's final turn onto Hempstead Ave.
Will you support congestion pricing? The MTA will add more money to extension train lines, including hillside ave extension.
Turning the Port Washington branch into a regional rail but isn't it already a regional rail since the whole LIRR is a regional rail but for LI instead? So if they turn it into a regional rail wouldn't it still be called the Port Washington branch and serve the same purpose?
It would still serve the same purpose, but trains would come more often, fares would be lowered to $2.90, and free transfers will exist to the subway and to the local bus network.
So would that mean the Port Washington branch would take metrocard or omny since it would be like a subway line or would it take a different kind of fare payment?
It makes me salivate, but we know that the de-interlining has to come first on existing lines.
Aarre Peltomaa of Mississauga, Ontario
That’s true though some modest extensions can be built without deinterlining to provide some breathing room for terminal operations, like extending the E train via the LIRR Atlantic Branch to Rosedale.
New Yorkers need to support congestion pricing so that MTA can build more extension lines, including the hillside ave line. Otherwise, you'll had to ride one of these slow buses.
I would like to see a #7 extension than an "F" extensions. Because how much more difficult it would be on train crews.
This is where a super express should come in as it would be both beneficial to train crews and passengers. No work crew should be on a train for 2 plus hours without time for bathroom breaks. It is just really, really unfair to them!
Currently the line between Coney Island and 179 St is an hour and 40 minutes, according to publicly available schedules. I think Phase 1 would add no more than 10 minutes to the runtime. Phase 2B, on the other hand, makes me worry a bit. Maybe running the F express in Brooklyn full-time (and aggressively increasing frequencies on the G, which would be fully deinterlined by this point) would help keep it under 2 hours, assuming no further delays - which… ehh 😅 we have to talk about Coney Island now.
Expand the E and the F train
We agree!
What I always wondered about these extensions like for the F is wait time, the longer the line the more longer you'd have to wait for a train cause it's so spread out, I'm all for transit access don't get me wrong but I'm honestly unsure how we can decrease dwell times while also increasing the amount of trains on that line
You would have to add more trains to the system, which has been done ever since a massive transit scheme has been laid. The IND came with Arnines, the 1951 Bond Measure that would have funded the Second Ave Subway came with R11s, and the Program for Action came with the R44s.
You add more train cars to the system. The 7 subway extension added about 66 train cars to the Flushing Line fleet when that line was extended.
Go all the way to the Nassau border
You know we could potentially replace the LIE with a new subway running along a restored Hoarce Harding Blvd up to Springfield Blvd and eventually to Little Neck.
Though I have a twist in this one. The new line will be four tracks. Two tracks, will be a branch of the Queens Blvd Line. However, it would be the other set of tracks, a branch of the Crosstown Line), that would begin service first. Starting at Bedford-Nostrand Avenue, this line would head east under Lafayette Avenue with a stop at Throop Avenue. From there, it would turn northeastward along DeKalb Avenue with stops at Broadway, Myrtle-Wilson Avenues, Wyckoff Avenues, and Seneca Avenues. After that, it would swing over to Flushing Avenue and make stops at Metropolitan Avenue and then Fresh Pond Road before it shifts briefly along Borden to 69th. After a brief stint along Caldwell Avenue, it would then stop at 80th Street before heading up via Eliot Avenue and Woodhaven Blvd to Queens Blvd.
At Queens Blvd, it would then meet up with the two tracks from the Queens Blvd Line to form a four track line along the LIE/Hoarce Harding corridor with stations at strategic connection points with the bus network. Along this corridor, there would be an express station at Junction Blvd followed by local stations at 99th Street, 108th Street, (potentially) College Point Blvd, and then Main Street, followed by an express station at Kissena Blvd, serving Queens College. From there there would be local stations at 164th Street, Fresh Meadows Lane, and an express station at 188th Street. Following there are local stations at Francis Lewis Blvd, Oceania Street, and an express station at Springfield Blvd, near Queensborough Community College. This is where local service ends. Express service then continues East along the corridor, with a stop at Hampton Blvd, and from there the line rises on a two track concrete elevated structure a la Airtrain for the next stops at Douglaston Pkwy, Marathon Pkwy, and eventually the terminal at Little Neck Pkwy.
The two branching tracks from the Queens Blvd Line would actually be dependent on the conversion of the Woodhaven Blvd station into an express station, something that is really, really needed (why this station wasn't built as an express station from the getgo is beyond me). Reportedly, this would involve rerouting the local tracks outward with the side platforms becoming the island platforms. This essentially should create some space for two tracks to diverge from both the local and express tracks to ramp downwards to a lower level and curve to the LIE Line.
Ultimately, the LIE Line should be looked as a third priority corridor for Eastern Queens, though that Crosstown branch on Lafayette and DeKalb could start construction first to fill in a gap in the subway network since the Myrtle Avenue Elevated was torn down. As for eastern Queens, the first two extensions that should be done is the extension of the Flushing Line eastward along Northern Blvd to Bell Blvd and the Queens Blvd Line extension to Springfield Blvd as well as the (E) train extension along the LIRR Atlantic Branch to Francis Lewis Blvd in Rosedale (rather than Springfield Blvd in Laurelton in the original plans). These three extensions would help simplify service on the (7) route, increase capacity on the (E) route, and provide better coverage in Eastern Queens. With these three extensions, many bus routes would be realigned to no longer serve Flushing and Jamaica, but rather better connect Northeast and Southeast Queens.
As for the other corridors like Union Turnpike, Hollis Avenue and Linden Blvd those corridors would be a later priority since they are a part of larger plans to replace elevated structures in Brooklyn and Queens.
it should be built to turn south under 222nd street after the Winchester boulevard staion . with stops under and connected to the queens village bus depot at Jamaica boulevard and terminate between and connected to both Bbelmot park race track and the new new york islander areana. b with a large rather cheap to build because it would be a ex parking lot land long island bus terminal.
2 tracks just doesn't feel ideal as they can still use the 4 tracks there's nothing wrong with using preexisting tracks as lets be for real it makes no sense to make 2 tracks and just have the F alone so why not let G go further I don't care if others don't like as just feels filler.
The local tracks at 179 become relay tracks, leaving only express service that can continue to Springfield Blvd. With this configuration, having four tracks east of 179 would result in stations seeing less than ideal service frequencies. Besides, for the Queens Blvd subway extension, F service at 15 trains per hour is enough.
Queens don’t have train for me take a look to Brooklyn train everywhere you go see
They need to let the F train run express again from 179st. Jamaica to 21st Queensbridge
Yes
The reason the F doesn't run exp. On the 179th Branch is, one..Low Ridership. Two, nobody wants to take a local like the M or R coming that far out in Queens.
So the mta just runs F' local inorder to give those riders a direct express connection.
@robotx9285 the E runs Express from 179 st in the morning and afternoon and it be alot of people on it
@cutefeet63 Ya, tho those E are mainly there because the Jamacia center Branch doesn't have enough capacity to terminate them, so they get rerouted to 179th Street.
I'm guessing they're really packed because everyone absolutely hates the F, and the E isn't on the level of bad as the R.
@robotx9285 the send the G train to 179st like the used to do back in the late nights that way the F can go express again