pi-th derivative of x^pi
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- Here we will see how to find the pi-th derivative of x^pi. It's part of "fractional calculus". enjoy!
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Bro thats sounds like d^3/dx^3(x^3) with extra steps
did i say it 4 times?
It's the same answer anyway, he didn't need to go the extra step imo.
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That's one of those things that just looks absolutely impossible, but someone's solving it for 9 minutes.
I just found out that
Gamma(pi + 1) = 7.1880827...
Just the video-title on its own managed to make me feel really anxious. I am glad we physicists don't see things like that so often :D
Hillarious FlyingGrandma You see this type of stuff very often in quantum physics. However, in other fields of physics, this would be irrelevant. You are safe as long as you do not study quantum.
But also, it is not as scary as it looks. Once you get used to the definition, these types of derivatives become intuitive
5:18 how can you just write ...3*2*1 at the end there? if the whole point is that 'a' is not necessarily an integer, then (a-n) is not necessarily an integer, so it may never hit 3*2*1.
nathanisbored yes you are right!!!! I should have done it as multiplying the top and bottom by (a-n)! that would have been better.
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Since the Gamma function (or the Pi function for that matter) are arguably 'the best' we have as an extension of the factorial, particularly those essential discontinuities at zero and negative integers makes me wonder if the meaning of the function for z
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This is one thing that is really cool about math;
you can take something that is somewhat intuitive (derivatives are reasonably intuitive, since they are kind of like extreme cases of the point-slop formula), and then expand on that and show that it works for much more general situations.
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How do you even interpret the pi-th derivative geometrically?
Gottfried Leibniz You don't.
Not everything has a geometric interpretation in mathematics.
It can be thought of as an "interpolation" between the integer derivatives (and antiderivatives, if we consider the "-1th" derivative to be the indefinite integral). This is because Γ is a continuous function in most of its domain, so small variations in the order of derivation will result in small variations of the resulting functions. Here's an animation: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fractional_Derivative_of_Basic_Power_Function_(2014).gif
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@@thorbynumbers5368 no it was Newton's
There’s a video on my channel about the geometric intuition behind it, I think it’s the Grunwald-Letnikov formula or something
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What's the motivation behind the expanding of the definition of derivative into the real number order?
Because why not?
Jokes apart,it helps out a lot in analytic number theory and making sense of continuous products. By converting it into an integral for a generalized number, you open up a plethora of possibilities in analytic number theory, calculus, statistics and a lot more
@@arpitdas4263 It also has uses in fluid dynamics.
There is also use in quantum gravity where space time experiences spectral dimensional reduction (has to do with brownian motion). In these cases you can have a 2.5, a pi, or anything else between 1.8 and 4.2 dimensions(depends on which theory you're looking at).
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"at the end we'll get a really nice answer"
later at the end: "~2.188"
I truly was hoping that you'll show an exact answer like e^(pi/4) or something
José Ignacio Cuevas Barrientos He did give an exact answer. It is π!
7.188*
1.488*
@@alexanderskladovski no
e^(pi/4) = ~2,193. lol intuitively?
According to the fundamental theorem of engineering, I got 6.
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The gamma function is used probably because of a notational mistake but more usefully, because the gamma function appears as the output of transforms that use the Haar measure (which is very nice)
Most notably the Mellin transform on the exponential decay function (e^-x)
No notational mistake!
What about the i-th derivative of a function? (Yes, i^2=-1)
Does it make any sense at all?
This is a nice heuristic argument, but would be better by introducing the fractional operator as an integral transform and going from there to get Gamma(pi + 1).
I am a high school student taking Accel. Algebra 2 (That is covering half of geometry and all of Algebra 2) in my 10th grade year. Even know I BARELY know anything about differential calculus/calculus at all, I oddly enough understand what is going on in the video.
And this is why I love stuff like this; stuff like gamma functions, pi functions and everything in between. I love to work out math equations on my spare time; finding factors of really big numbers like 99,999,999 (hint, there are three prime numbers that multiply to make a palindrome), gaps between primes, and so on.
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Dr πm now you might calculate πm th derivative of x^πm
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oh, that's a familoar form! Before shifting to the gamma function, that's just P(a,n) * x^(a-n). Neat!
For Γ(-1):
Using (integral = ζ)
Γ(t) = ζ[0,infinity] [ (e^-t)/t ] dt
=> Γ(-1) = -ζ -(e^-t/t)dt
=> Γ(-1) = -E1(t) |(0,infinity)
=> Γ(-1) = -E1(infinity) +E1(0)
=> Γ(-1) = -0+ infinity
Taking limit from x=1_ becomes + Infinity
Taking limit from x=1+ becomes - infinity
.•. Γ(-1) is divergent, there’s asymptotes for each negative integer.
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In 1981 I asked my college algebra teacher if there was a 3/4 or 1/2 derivative, similar to x^3/4 or x^1/2 and he said: No! It doesn't make any sense.
When was this concept originated?
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Can we inverse a lot of functions in one function ?
I discovered that use of derivatives that gives you pattern of factorial almost 2 years ago and never got to post it anywhere in the internet.
The (d^n/dx)(x^n) is simply n factorial. So the (pi)th derivative of x^pi is pi factorial right? And pi factorial is 7.188 (searched it on google)
The answer is 7.18808272898...right?
2! is 2*1, 1! is 1, we divided by 2. thats why 0! is 1, we divide by1, which means (-1)! is 1/0 since we divide by 0.
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For any integer - d^n/dx^n [ f(x) = x^n ] = n(n-1)(n-2)... n times = n! = gamma(n+1) to allow non-integers. So, the answer is gamma(π+1) = *7.188082728976031*
So in order to differentiate we just need to calculate some integrals? That sounds really useful xD
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The Gamma function is more popular because mathematicians have the extremely bad habit of what seems to be intentionally defining non-normalized shifted versions of the actual function we would realistically work with. For example, it happens with the definition of sinc(z), so much that non-mathematicians just use a different definition altogether. The same goes with the Fresnel integrals. It goes for a ton of different functions.
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I like all the derivatives of pi - raspberry, chocolate, beef, chicken... the list goes on.
If a and n are both integer and a < n the answer should be 0 right?
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OK, for general case, you have this d^n/dx^n (x^a), this makes sense.
But - suppose that a is an positive integer, and n is a non-integer greater than a+1. Meaning that using standard derivations, you will eventually reach zero, leaving only a fractional derivative of zero, which is also zero.
However, when looking at the factorial representations, you run into something a bit more interesting. a! is a finite positive number, (a-n)! is also a finite number, as it's a non-integer negative factorial, and a-n is a finite negative number. Let's call a!/(a-n)! k for the time being, and (a-n) can be b. kx^b is a standard function, and due to b being negative, kx^b can never be zero!
Since these two interpretations directly contradict, one of them must be false. Or possibly both. Which, if any, is considered the correct way to resolve this bit of calculus?
How do you know that a fractional derivative of zero is always zero?
Interestingly, when working with integer derivatives, you don't run into this issue, because that would give a!/(a-n)!, where a-n is a negative integer. This is, using the Gamma function, infinity. Dividing by infinity is zero, so there's your zero. But with this interpretation, I am lead to believe that a fractional derivative of zero doesn't necessarily have to be zero. This makes me think of the +c of negative derivatives (integrals), however in case of f(x)=0, c is always 0. Huh.
EDIT: now that I think of it, when n is negative (resulting in an integral), there should be some c's in there. Or maybe this only gives the principal antiderivative? But that then assumes c=0, so that's another problem in the reasoning above.
@@fghsgh This is only on the assumption of successive derivations being equivalent to taking the fractional derivative as a whole, which may be wrong.
But when we're getting to the point where we've done a derivatives, this is, with respect to x, a!*x^0. The next derivative on the stack, then, multiplies in the zero, rendering the whole equation to zero.
Further normal derivatives can't get rid of the zero, of course.
But since the fractional derivative is also giving finite numbers, that also can't get rid of zero.
Though if you throw in a negative integer into the pi function, you get the necessary infinity, but once you hit the point of f(x)=0 that could be any arbitrary power. Singularities are silly like that.
so the answer is just Π(π), incredible!
My friend challenged me to find the πth derivative of x^π, at first I argued that it doesn't exist then I worked a little and found π!, but I thought that I was of course wrong but seeing this video makes me confident.
Ha! I got it right! I treated it like a Taylor Polynomial. I remembered k(k-1)(k-2)... from Binomial series can be represented as k!/(k-n)! and thus represented the nth derivative of f(x)=x^pi as the following: [pi!/(x-pi)!]*x^(pi-n), then just inserted pi for n to get the pi-th derivative
i haven't fully grasped the idea of fractional/irrational derivatives ... so if (n-a) is a positive integer, would the answer just be 0? since at some point we will keep differentiating 0 over & over again?
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Another interesting thing that I'm not sure has been explored might be non integer operations? Or maybe that's just too much abstract bullshit at that point lol
A function equal to a number ? You might want to put (1) after each derivative to apply the function and get !n (Because the function x->d/dx^n(x^n) applied on 1 is n!)
I saw the thumbnail and I went and tried it on my own. I got the answer but I used the laplace transform!
Could be a fun a follow up video.
But whats the geometric interpretation of this derivative? First derivative is the slope of the curve, 2nd the slope of the slope. But whats a fractional or irrational derivative?
since the n-th derivative of (x^n) is = n!, without even watching the video the identity states the answer is pi! (or Gamma(pi-1) )
Hi, Can you give a concise proof of higher order derivative test for Max/min
Great work, now what about a πth order differential equation?
Hi! At 5:52 how do you make sure a
An intro like this should be included in calc 1 getting students to know derivatives is not just integer but it can take fractional derivative and can be think of as a function operated on an equation
Always cool and great extension of my HS maths.
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Sir you relate your videos pretty well!
gamma(pi+1)
Is the way you extend the n-th derivative of x^m from natural to real numbers unique? One could think even of analytically continuation to complex numbers by considering this as a function of n and m. But therefore you need either, that n and m are accumulation points in some area of the complex plane (thats not the case for natural numbers), or that every derivative matches in one point. Is the latter true for this situation?
what is the actual physical relevance of something like pi factorial ?
what is sum of 1/r! upto infinity
8:39 love it!
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I didn't get that last integral at the end, t^pi*e^-t dt which you set to approx 7.188. Evidently I missed some past video (can't find it). In this one, I couldn't make out what you said during the fast-motion sequence for this integration. How was it done?
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Wouldn’t this definition of the nth derivative for the power rule have issues for n
The Master Not if you define it via falling factorials. The falling factorial with negative exponent is well-defined, and is equal to a rising factorial.
Fascinating!
I was hoping for you to explore derivatives of fractional order, don't know why. Maybe some other time, keep up the quality vids please, take care.
I've just started the video at 3:14 AM, I mean... What a coincidence
Can we use.... x^π = e^(π. ln x)... Relation?
5:27 what if n is greater than a
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Derivative function derived from integration.
Amazing pi th derivative of x^π
I think the gamma function is more popular and stuff because of the gamma distribution in statistics. Having the gamma function inside the gamma distribution's probability density function's definition makes it nice and cute, but having pi inside gamma sounds weird :P
Thanks!
Nice, but you totally blew the opportunity to say that the π'th derivative of x^π = Π(π)
Facotorial is defined for rational only.
So what is mean by π!
You can actually arrive to the same conclusion using the spectral derivative, using the Laplace transform.
Put n=-1 and you get the integral :)
Edit: that's why the integral is the inverse operation of the derivative
...for polynomials (he hasn't done anything with other functions)
@@fghsgh yes I was talking about the pattern for polynomials because for other functions is not so obvious the pattern for pluging n=-1
What is geometrical interpretation of radical order derivatives
Me: its imposible, he: solving it for 9 minutes
Shouldnt it be a-n+1 in 4:25 ?
If d^n/dx^n means d/dx(d/dx(d/dx...))
d^e/dx^e(x^e)
Edit: comment posted 0 second ago, interesting
how do you intepret fractional derivatives and do they have any applications?
Ben Evans Fractional derivatives are much like fractional powers. For instance, D^(1/2)·D^(1/2)[f(x)] = f'(x). In words, the half derivative of the half derivative is the first derivative. It also allows you to talk about definite integrals as derivatives to a negative power.
The applications I am familiar with come from quantum physics. It can be particularly useful in solving differential equations.
When you add a-n to the denominator, doesn't that mean you have to add a rule a=/=n, to avoid div.by.0?
you simply wont add that then. Because if a-n =0,
a-(n-1) = 1.
You've already got a! (constant)
if you derivative it one more time, itll become 0.
which is why a*(a-1)*(a-2)..(a-n) is the n+1th derivative of x^n = 0
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I don't usually argue in this channel however i think this concept of relating the gamma function to derivation is wrong because the gamma function doesn't define the factorial,, however vice-versa is true the factorial can define the gamma function for descret values ONLY. I think this does not make any sense
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Can you also get the pi'th antiderivative?