Riyaz Ahmad, well said. When your facts speak so well, then one need not yell to be heard. Am always amazed to see the shouting in some tv channels instead of debate
Like radical Islamist don't understand that you can't take someone's property without paying consession, that's violation of human rights by UNHRC. But, mullas will call that Maal e ganimat, so that's correct for them 😂. Not any more mother fucker.
Mr. Raghavan needs to be interviewed by all major newspapers and news channels for his factual insights on this issue! but, i know Godi media wont take notice.. I hope this video goes viral. Lets try to make this video go viral guys!!
Very stupid Anti India Analysis. India did not sign for slavery but British ruled India for 200 years. A few things are done for your country not for rules.
Very stupid Anti India Analysis. India did not sign for slavery but British ruled India for 200 years. A few things are done for your country not for rules stupid.
Please make this video in very simple hindi, so that even the most uneducated can understand it, otherwise your information will not reach even to 0.00001% of the masses.
Everyone is ignorant to some extent. No one knows anything 100%. The importance of Kashmir for India's existence is very important both strategically and politically.
What is your point ? Let me tell you something being an indian you should infact vouch for kashmir to integrate into india looking at a strategic point of view for the army. Anyway let’s keep that aside, let me clear a difference for you with regards to kashmir and Junagadh. See Junagadh was ruled by a muslim ruler and the population was hindu, even if the population was muslim it still should be with india. Reason being that historically speaking and culturally speaking it was not an islamic land or area. So to show respect and be liberal in a true sense it would only be logical to let the muslim population of course stay with dignity but also not let the hindu land go to an islamic state which doesn’t not treat other minorities has how india has so far. Now with kashmir, to understand the kashmir issue i cannot start with UN resolutions and petty politics behind it. The raja was hindu and praja majority was muslim but if you look at the history of Kashmir and how it became majority muslim and what it went through and how a hindu raja took over it you wouldn’t be questioning if kashmir should be part of india or pakistan or even independent. There is a 31%. percent population of non muslims in the state of Jammu and kashmir so you will also have to think about them and not only the muslims. So it’s up to you to decide and ask yourself a question, would the muslims of kashmir be at risk with india yes or no And if kashmir decides to be independent or go to pakistan will the other minorities be safe and free to practice their religion.
He has courage to speak the truth. I am amazed that such historian are in the country. The media must learn from him. Salute to his intellectual honesty. May Almighty bless him!
What should media learn from him. How to speak against interest of your own country. India did not sign for slavery but British ruled India for 200 years. A few things are done for your country not for rules.
@@raviatri5603 bro, it's the BJP which keeps harping about constitution and one country and one law....this guy is just showing BJP it's true face. Interests of India come way below for BJP who can make 1000 cr party headquarters but it's government doesn't have money to pay for oxygen cylinders or meals at school. PM can break protocols and meet Pakistan PM for his daughter marriage. Can invite ISI to Pathankot.
@@raviatri5603 He's helping india man! He's showing you where you went wrong... He's telling you watch out you are heading towards a cliff. Stop or you will fall off.. Its not too late. And instead you are: 'what should the media learn?... How to speak against.. your own country'.... Man.. Think!!
@@voiceforjusticeandproporti5543 He is simply saying art 370 should not have been abrogated. Which is wrong. Kashmir is part of India, and it's govt has all the Rights to decide what is good for it. All such people are anti modi people who in search of opposing modi have become anti India also. Shame on such people.
@@raviatri5603 Man. I don't care one way or the other. The point is that if he speaks out against media lies that encourage a hyper nationalistic perspective, it doesn't mean he's anti india or acting against indian interests. Honestly, this hyper nationalism is really toxic because it tramples on the actual deep nuance of historical realities. Its led to nothing but hate and polarization. Which is good for no nation.
@@ghufranahmad5516 dont strt again. I have rebute of his every arguement but u act as sarcatic ass onething when he says about accession instrument is same not clauses mention in that instrument after accession nehru in trying prove his loyality towards seikh abudulla inserted 370 35a ask ur so called expert if their no clauses in accession raja agreed to it but in jammu all people r happy aborgation nd ladakh mp shows his gratitude only kashmiri muslim has problem with it not whole kashmiri is upset only
Very stupid Anti India Analysis. India did not sign for slavery but British ruled India for 200 years. A few things are done for your country not for rules.
There are two types of people right now in our country.... One who read books and interpreted the situations and then those who experienced the situation being in Kashmir....
@@abhineeshkumar he wouldnt have experienced what kashmiri pandits faced.........but the facts at the political level remain the same...........everyone should read books..govt should try to correct the wrong done no doubt.........but misleading people with false facts, creating enemity between communities and just playing with emotions to reap political benefits is despicable.......u need not be a kashmiri hindu to understand that...........................another thing i will give u an advice..u might have faced some injustice....surely i support u to be granted justice...but dont let politicians fill ur minds with venom for fellow human beings..............................rest I leave it u...whatever u wish
Modi and Shah and his Andhbhakts to fool and to lie On 370 Article Spread hatred On Nehru . One can not fool People for ever .Truth will Some how come up whether One like it or not. Modi and Shah BJP these all are LUNATICS Ahankary to accept that what Nehru did for INDIA.So brainless and Stupid When these uncultured point Finger on Nehru and his family. No parts in India's Freedom Struggle BJP RSS. They were busy licking Angrez's buttocks .Now All of a sudden these power For Greedy Deshdrohi become Deshbhakts !
I always heard the term librandu but never knew what this term is all about,but today I see this gentlemen and first word that comes to my mind is he is a severe form of librandu.
@songs plzz hahahaaaa I knew it was comming,but you cannot deny fact.These serpents can only give lectures and seminars now,370 has been abolished in national interest and I will back government for this.
@songs plzz did I say he is liying,there are facts in it but with a twist.The decision which was taken during the time of independence and was collective decision keeping in mind the scenarios of that particular time and situation.Nobody knew that the islamic terrorism will engulf the state from late half of 80's.And we all know it is been perperated and carried out by Pakistan and few radicalised locals.And now abolishing 370 will make the government fight this terrorism better and also will lead to development of the state. Atleast kashmiris are still there in our side,just have a look in POK these kashmiris are facing the wrath of Pak army and there has been a paternised cleansing of kashmiris over there.Kashmiris have become minority there wherein their land has been occupied by army and other pak civilians. If your garden is encroached by tresspassers will you not do fencing and keep somebody to have a check on your property.No i think being from that librandu you will give this to them and flee the place.
A few other points worth noting are, the Indian Govt had sent troops to Junagadh and Hyderabad to force them to accede to the Indian Union, seeing this Pakistan too reacted in a similar manner by sending its troops to Kashmir. Raja Hari Singh acceded to the Indian Union with the condition that anything that had to be done in Kashmir could only be done with the consent of the people of Kashmir, i.e only afte holding of a plediscite
Ruler of Hyderabad amd junhagar are not treat well to Hindus they only make higher status to Muslim so that our Army send. How those two enclave city become sperate nation? Ita just like one USA city in between russia or one Russia city in between USA. Is it possible? NO soon or later it will part of INDIA.
Ya, we tend to overlook the muscle-flexing that the Indian govt did while treating with some princely states. It was politically expedient, true. But nonetheless it wasnt democratically ideal. I guess that is why we try to overlook or whitewash it
What a nice lectures in its own realities which have nothing in its any mixing purely on historical basis of facts, really God Almighty keeps the truth to behold by His graceful creatures in human being in whatever may be the circumstances, God bless you with highest dignities and well prosperities
Very stupid Anti India Analysis. India did not sign for slavery but British ruled India for 200 years. A few things are done for your country not for rules.
Thanks wire. in for giving us a really knowledge on Kashmir issue. I will be sharing it to other people in order to make them knowledgable about Kashmir issue. Really appreciate your efforts on Kashmir issue
Sardar Patel was from Congress, not BJP. It is true Patel, had agreed to hold the peblicite, however Pakistan shot itself in its foot by invading Kashmir.
Same lacture to be loaded in Hindi language along with all regional language so all Indian can understand reality of article 370 . And lai spread by Modi and his government with RSS .
Great video where you've only taken out the parts from the speech which supports your narrative. For a media house which believes in fact based journalism it is atleast imperative to upload the link to the full speech.
Thankyou sir historian Shri Raghavan for your excellent lecture on 370 and Kashmir.I wish those who are misinforming the public , those in power and vested interests and lobbies are devoting from facts and setting their own history and getting everything wrong . The citizens of Kashmir are being held ransom for the vested interests.Sir intellects like you must help everybody see the right way to settle this burning problem.
Thanks a lot Wire for this. Pls keep up your work and keep your fight for truth and knowledge. India will remember your contribution in the dark age of Media.
Simple to point out. The people of Kashmir didn't wanted to join India. India dealt with it undemocraticly. Ignoring the will of the people. That clearly states altogether, Kashmir hasn't been solved yet. It needs to be resolved by the will of the people. Till then it's in the UN zone both IOK & POK. Until justice is done with the people of Kashmir democratically , sad to say a lot of resources will go in war. And we are a nation of overwhelming poverty, overwhelmingly lacking education population wise & overwhelmingly corrupt. Now what's best for our generation but this stupid war we're holding on to against the will of the people of a state. Congratulations! The Greed, the Selfishness & the unfairness of our Governments on to these people will unfortunately bring nothing else to India but population wise missery of poverty & a burden of on & off wars. Patchy Progress over all 🙄
@@raviatri5603 (Thairee hakomath nai thairee population pai zeeyyatee kee ?) Did the Central Government commit brutality on your State's population ? (Thairee Maa , baihin aur glee glee kai parros mai larkeeyyo kai saath koch ghalat howa ?) Were your mothers , sisters & rest of neighbourhoods daughters in your State been victimised with physical wrong doings ? (Thairee glee glee kai bachai roz aghwa howai ? ) Were your neighbourhood subject to daily news of children abductions ? (Thairai haa mass graves millai ?) Did you find Mass Graves of your own people ? (Thairee 50 % auwrathai widow howee ?) Are your women in your State 50% widows ? ( Thairai haa aadhai bachai orphans howai ? ) Do you find more than half number of children in your State as orphans ? (Jab Kashmir jaisai history aur zayyaathee ka tajrobaah hee nahee howa , tho thomhara State keeyyaa sammaj rakai .) When like Kashmir , you haven't had the same history & haven't had the slightest experience of brutality , then what State has the audacity to ask & understand their pain . (Jab thairai State mai yai sab zayyathee hoowai , tho thairai State kee janthaa bhee Azadi maangai .) When your State will go through the same trauma repeatedly as the people of Kashmir have , then your State's people will also begin to shout , scream & protest the demand for right of independence. 👇 ua-cam.com/video/b-S8xyn1cgY/v-deo.html
@@3rah356 ALL THAT you are talking about is BIG LIE. From the very beginning they have their own MLAs, MPs, and other local leaders and they have state govt of the locals. Central govt only plays role of help when in need. Indian Army is not only in Kashmir, it's all over India. If it does not to atrocity in other parts of India, why would it do it in Kashmir. Problem lies in Islamic extremism, which is not able to function the way it want like in other places where Muslims are in majority. Like in Pakistan...
@@raviatri5603 (yaar thom left to right aur right to left bohaat chaalo ho.) You are going from left to right & right to left dodging the main point. 370 was a treaty agreement between the Raja of Kashmir & the Central Government. After his death , 370 multiple times was dissected , double crossing , betraying , deceiving, manipulatively against the will of the Kashmiri people, all went on in Central Government on 370. (Wah daath dainee chaheeyai, Central Government kee 🤨) How tricky the Central Government have been for their cunning deceitful scheming up against the will of those people. 🤨 (Central Government hee Army ko aijazath daithee rahee hai Kashmiri pai zulam karnai kee.) It's been under the nose of our Central Government that Army have been given much allowance in the treatment with the Kashmiris. 👇 ua-cam.com/video/ae5ri_xvm0E/v-deo.html ( Aur BJP nai tho haadh kardee.) And BJP has now worsen the case further 👇 ua-cam.com/video/tCP9tX0-ezI/v-deo.html
Even if Indian historians and professors talk sense on this particular subject, they very conveniently forget to tell why the "tribal invaders" 'invaded' J&K.
@A.H.just before a few days of the tribal invasion of Jammu and Kashmir, Jammu genocide of Muslims happened where according to London times 2 lakh Muslims were completely exterminated,half a million disintegrated this was done by dogra forces backed by RSS in Muslim majority Jammu.it is a few days after wards tribal invasion takes place.There may have been the influence of the pak administrative support too which i don't know.so in a way the attack was a kind of retaliative reaction by the then illetrate tribal masses.
He will watch and say all of this is antinational propaganda. This is the age of post-truth. Truth and facts arw discarded as irrelevent. Only blind frenzy prevails
Very stupid Anti India Analysis. India did not sign for slavery but British ruled India for 200 years. A few things are done for your country not for rules.
@@bhavvibhor Wikipedia is written by people like you and me.. anyone can scribble what they want to.. if you want to give a reference give a proper article or research paper.
This guy clearly mentioned that instrument of accession was only for foreign affairs , defense and communication. This is factually incorrect, let him deny this. Instrument of accession was for total accession and not give any special powers to the rulers of erstwhile states.
It’s a Different point raised by Indians , it’s first time , I m hearing from an Indian , I heard from Pakistan all the time .. Hyderabad, JunaGarh, And Kashmir were taken through force by India
Nope voting done at that time he hiding one side of story in kashmir. Nehru commited referndum but pakistan wage war against india and also kashimri pandit thrown away from state that why no referendum conducted
@@praveenshukla472 Where did Nehru committed referendum? @Peter, as far as Hyderabad is concerned read about Operation Polo. India did use force to annex Hyderabad.
@@Shakeelsway i said about junagrah now come hydrabad sane situation people wanted to join india but nawab wanted to join pakistan but sardar patel denied because it is difficult to manage a alien country state in between country so nawab send his men britain to buy weaphon which foil and rage war against india he deafeated in that war by humilation nawab nd family flee to pakistan
@@Shakeelsway nd by ur logic pakistan sindh baluchostan pashtun never wanted join pakistan they annexed by force in kashmir they send kablai fighter nd sindh is hindu majority so they needed to get free tooo
Don't know where from you got this information. All the above mentioned states unanimously opted to join Pakistan. Though Hindu- Muslim exchange between the two countries happened but no Pakistani state was annexed. Additionally, whatever the reason, India did use force and military to annex Hyderabad. In this operation hundreds were killed. Even Wikipedia mentions it was annexed not acceded.
Thanks for the informative lecture, One query what about Kashmiri pandit genocide? 6 lakh people exodus who did this, who is responsible,who are stone peltors, who makes Kashmir Islamic state even after being a part of secular India? Please enlighten me with your great knowledge.🙏
The Pandits were killed by terrorists trained and armed by Pakistan. At that time the local population did not support terrorists in large numbers as today. Over years due to the widespread spread of Internet and Social Mediia the support to the terrorists organization has increased. Actually the terrorism had decreased considerably and tourists were once again swarming Kashmir IN Late 1990s and early 2000. This all came to a stop when Burhan wahini became more popular due to shrewd use of social media. The population who were receptive to extreme Islamic ideology became even more receptive to extremist ideology when Burhan Wahini was killed.
Instrument of Accession was the same draft for all 580 princely State. Anyone can get it in National Archives in New Delhi even in Google. Signed by Maharaza Hari Sing and Lord Mountbatten In Instrument Of Accession there was no special provision for any princely state even for Jammu and Kashmir. 370 has the another history it had been included without any debate in perlament as a temporary and transitional as a gift for Sheikh Abdullah from Neheru. Please Mr Historian you need to be mre educated on this issue until don't deliver it in wrongly.
Sathish Kumar Do I really need to tell you why? Are you ignorant to the fact that Muslims feel they are being prosecuted and this government is against them ? Did I say I hate Muslims and they are bad ? I have more Muslim friends then Muslims you know so shut up! You need to open your brains and understand that be it a Muslim or a Hindu the countries interest comes first. Now just because you don’t like this bjp party your ability to judge has become low.
What a wonderful description of article 370. Most rarely such opinions come up and historians like him are much needed at the present time. I have heard many conflicting opinions before even by some good scholars but he has presented it clear and to the point. As a Kashmiri I salute him.
He is partially right. It is true that Patel was ready to exchange Hyderabad for Kashmir, though Kashmir was mostly handled by Nehru. Hyderabad first appealed to UN. As a result package deal, plebiscite in Hyderabad, Junagadh and Kashmir, was proposed by India to UN. Mount Batten proposed this to Jinnah with out consulting Patel and Nehru, and stated so to Jinnah. Jinnah didn't want that because he knew Pakistan will loose all three. India proposed it to UN anyway. Nehru's mistake was not to hold plebiscite immediately after the cease fire; Jammu Kashmir would have opted for India in 1951 if choice was between India and Pakistan.
A much needed Topic to be discussed. Thank you to The WIRE for your amazing work in these Dark times. 🙏🏼 🇮🇳 🌹 #getwellsoonmodia Please keep trending this in twitter youtube and Facebook to show our solidarity and unity aganist GODI MEDIA and ANDH BHAKTS.
I am Modi Bhakt and i appreciate this guy for the facts. Does it change anything, NO. Article 370 was a shell anyways ( started with Congress , Indira ghandi as he mentioned ) , better to remove it for industrial and economical development . India will also get an upper hand against Porkistan.
Hisab toh sood ke saat mil raha hai wadi ki logon ko.*It's the curse of widows, family members of original Kashmiri Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs* in 1947 who were looted, raped and killed by Pak regulars in the guise of kabalis, then the *genocide of lakhs of innocent Pandiths* in 1990 and also the curse of thousands of *Jammu, Kashmir and Ladakh police, Indian army and air Force personnel's windows and children.*
God has been very kind to Kashmiri Pandits. This self appointed historian did not blame dilution of article 370 for ethnic cleansing of Hindus from Kashmir.
May be u r saying right or not...i dont care.ok?..but as a indian i will tell that kashmir should part of india like other states without extra privilege..i dont care about their opinions ...being indian ,i see indian perspective
As a Pakistani I admire this man's knowledge on history.Alot of Indians are taught history on Kashmir in a very biased way similarly pakistanis are also taught Kashmir history in a largely biased way.Turns out the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Excellent contemporary talk. This gentleman gave us the historical facts Now let the our prime minister hear and understand the this gentleman. But the BJP and hindutatva followers cannot digest this historical facts. Therefore they are spreading falsehoods and created unnecessary confusion among masses But my opinion is that to abrgation of 370 article should have been done in proper manner with cosent Kashmiri people. Then scene wpuld have been different . Now only hope that Phir Subha Hogi. Abdul Mateen
@@NishchayBhuta-en8rl keyboard warriors like you don't give a shit about this nation and are busy with BJP propoganda you all are in every chat that deals with the truth...beware that riots are caused by the politicians within the people, normal people loose lives. You might think you are safe but when it starts I doubt your WhatsApp University will save you
Insightful but It's funny that he mentions the reservation for sc and st and then quickly changes the topic because then he would had to explain why a SC from Kashmir could be a PHD but couldn't get a govt job above a sweeper grade . No mention why the Hindus and Sikhs (more than half a million now) that moved from POK to Jammu and parts of Kashmir were labelled as Displaced person and refugees in their own country denying them the rights vested by the state (Using the same autonomy granted under article 370). Would love to hear his thoughts on these as well .
I am certain all Desh Bakhts will agree to the bulk of Mr. Raghavan's conclusions. However, most Modi Bakhts will not agree to it as it does not suit their false narrative.
Srinivas Varanasi Your assumption of people gaining knowledge from whatsapp it’s really stupid makes you look like and idiot. Anyway why don’t we have a discussion of what he is saying. A healthy discussion. What say?
hahahahha stupid people like you are complaining about whatsapp ,you are yourself is similar youtube university. His entire story was kind of methalogic story with missing facts and refrences. The so called what app people have valid points with written proofs and audio recordings of past.
For the first time, I am looking at a sane Indian comments section on Article 370
A funny fact, when someone is actually saying something worth he seldom shouts.
Like Allah hu Akbar, every time you pray or burst .
Oh salty, salty. Someone didn't like the facts it seems.
Riyaz Ahmad, well said. When your facts speak so well, then one need not yell to be heard. Am always amazed to see the shouting in some tv channels instead of debate
@@r.balasubramaniam682 #_______Goswami not naming names
tum log muslim kabhi v nahi sudhroge...
so evryone hate u
Sir - it is actual fact, but no bhakt will believe it.
If you came out with this conclusion after watching this video I guess you do not understand English at all
@@himanshujns yes only bhakts understand English, other only understand only Urdu.
Like radical Islamist don't understand that you can't take someone's property without paying consession, that's violation of human rights by UNHRC. But, mullas will call that Maal e ganimat, so that's correct for them 😂. Not any more mother fucker.
@@mollamorshad4371 yes, he is right for you. 😆
@@insearchof9090 he is right for all educateded and liberal thinkers, but wrong for all blind bhakts.
He proved Congress and BJP were same bunch of people...
Mr. Raghavan needs to be interviewed by all major newspapers and news channels for his factual insights on this issue!
but, i know Godi media wont take notice..
I hope this video goes viral. Lets try to make this video go viral guys!!
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Sharing it with as many people as possible
Very stupid Anti India Analysis. India did not sign for slavery but British ruled India for 200 years. A few things are done for your country not for rules.
Very stupid Anti India Analysis. India did not sign for slavery but British ruled India for 200 years. A few things are done for your country not for rules stupid.
It's in all the history ...major books Nehru was the one who took the matter at the UN...he did not hold cabinet meeting for this.
Please make this video in very simple hindi, so that even the most uneducated can understand it, otherwise your information will not reach even to 0.00001% of the masses.
Ignorant people donot want to listen to truth and logic or simply reject it, to satisfy their already prevailing and baised misconceptions.
Aditya Chaudhary bloody fools like u believe who ever speaks good english
@@RaviKumar-uy4uy where is your counter point
Everyone is ignorant to some extent. No one knows anything 100%. The importance of Kashmir for India's existence is very important both strategically and politically.
@@shouvikroy3178 yes point made correctly. I am just against the propoganda and ignorance.
What is your point ?
Let me tell you something being an indian you should infact vouch for kashmir to integrate into india looking at a strategic point of view for the army.
Anyway let’s keep that aside, let me clear a difference for you with regards to kashmir and Junagadh. See Junagadh was ruled by a muslim ruler and the population was hindu, even if the population was muslim it still should be with india. Reason being that historically speaking and culturally speaking it was not an islamic land or area. So to show respect and be liberal in a true sense it would only be logical
to let the muslim population of course stay with dignity but also not let the hindu land go to an islamic state which doesn’t not treat other minorities has how india has so far.
Now with kashmir, to understand the kashmir issue i cannot start with UN resolutions and petty politics behind it. The raja was hindu and praja majority was muslim but if you look at the history of Kashmir and how it became majority muslim and what it went through and how a hindu raja took over it you wouldn’t be questioning if kashmir should be part of india or pakistan or even independent.
There is a 31%. percent population of non muslims in the state of Jammu and kashmir so you will also have to think about them and not only the muslims.
So it’s up to you to decide and ask yourself a question, would the muslims of kashmir be at risk with india yes or no
And if kashmir decides to be independent or go to pakistan will the other minorities be safe and free to practice their religion.
We may have different opinion but we need through discussion on every sensetive issue.
You are right. However Mr Raghavan is right
He has courage to speak the truth. I am amazed that such historian are in the country. The media must learn from him. Salute to his intellectual honesty. May Almighty bless him!
What should media learn from him. How to speak against interest of your own country.
India did not sign for slavery but British ruled India for 200 years. A few things are done for your country not for rules.
@@raviatri5603 bro, it's the BJP which keeps harping about constitution and one country and one law....this guy is just showing BJP it's true face. Interests of India come way below for BJP who can make 1000 cr party headquarters but it's government doesn't have money to pay for oxygen cylinders or meals at school. PM can break protocols and meet Pakistan PM for his daughter marriage. Can invite ISI to Pathankot.
@@raviatri5603 He's helping india man! He's showing you where you went wrong... He's telling you watch out you are heading towards a cliff. Stop or you will fall off.. Its not too late. And instead you are: 'what should the media learn?... How to speak against.. your own country'.... Man.. Think!!
@@voiceforjusticeandproporti5543 He is simply saying art 370 should not have been abrogated. Which is wrong. Kashmir is part of India, and it's govt has all the Rights to decide what is good for it.
All such people are anti modi people who in search of opposing modi have become anti India also. Shame on such people.
@@raviatri5603 Man. I don't care one way or the other. The point is that if he speaks out against media lies that encourage a hyper nationalistic perspective, it doesn't mean he's anti india or acting against indian interests. Honestly, this hyper nationalism is really toxic because it tramples on the actual deep nuance of historical realities. Its led to nothing but hate and polarization. Which is good for no nation.
Absolutely brilliant sir. Respect from my end.
Wow, what a great Clip. Wire should shed more light on some of topics as gentlemen stated.
Listen to him on the podcast Seen and the Unseen, ep-34. It's about article 370
Wow... what an intellectual person and the way he put it forth ... great.
He is probably speaking the truth since no case of sedition or incitement to offence is filed against him🙄🙄🙄
A country without intellectuals means a bleak future 😊
Let's debate with sushil pandit.
Wonder why there's leftist historians spend so much time and energy fighting WhatsApp forwards. Is it because they cannot counter real historians ?
@@lancekilkenney because whatsapp forwards cause the most damage and is considered true by most people. Think a little deeply lol
Maybe because they find it difficult to refute truth that they make a big effort of fighting lies. ;)
@@lancekilkenney nope fighting lies is fighting for the truth.
Fighting lies with more lies or half truths. Same shit different smell. 😉😜
Till now 27 bhakts who can't digest the truth.
Only dumbhead believe he knowingly hide fact only supporting agrument taken from history not whole because then he has to contradict his statement
@@praveenshukla472 yes u r rite. He misses out the Whatsaap University facts.
@@ghufranahmad5516 dont strt again. I have rebute of his every arguement but u act as sarcatic ass onething when he says about accession instrument is same not clauses mention in that instrument after accession nehru in trying prove his loyality towards seikh abudulla inserted 370 35a ask ur so called expert if their no clauses in accession raja agreed to it but in jammu all people r happy aborgation nd ladakh mp shows his gratitude only kashmiri muslim has problem with it not whole kashmiri is upset only
Try to spread this insight to everyone you know. Lets not make India a country of oppressor.
agree
Very stupid Anti India Analysis. India did not sign for slavery but British ruled India for 200 years. A few things are done for your country not for rules.
@@raviatri5603 did u understood the context at all???
@@khmaskarulanam6169 no he Didn't
@@khmaskarulanam6169 i did. Im sure u did not. Cos that's why u asked this.
Amazing & informative talk by Mr Srinath. God bless him
bhakt meharban toh modi pahalwaan ... lol
@Test86 One4 Shame Shame IT cell.. are you afraid that you would lose your only job if BJP ceases to be in power.
toh sale kasmir ko pakistan ko de de , ye jihadi toh bolenge hi inki dukan jo band ho gayi.
u r congress chamcha...hahaha
chamchagiri
congress chamschagiri
@@meernawabahmed8068 you should speak about Vatican Bajwa and Imran Pakistan and not about Modiji because you are suckling creatures
There are two types of people right now in our country.... One who read books and interpreted the situations and then those who experienced the situation being in Kashmir....
So true
you should know he served in army in j&k too.. Experienced as well as read
Thank you ! A Kashmiri Hindu thanks you
@@ashrafahmed541 then there is contradiction... As I have lived there... Thoroughly analysed the situation and interacted with some local too
@@abhineeshkumar he wouldnt have experienced what kashmiri pandits faced.........but the facts at the political level remain the same...........everyone should read books..govt should try to correct the wrong done no doubt.........but misleading people with false facts, creating enemity between communities and just playing with emotions to reap political benefits is despicable.......u need not be a kashmiri hindu to understand that...........................another thing i will give u an advice..u might have faced some injustice....surely i support u to be granted justice...but dont let politicians fill ur minds with venom for fellow human beings..............................rest I leave it u...whatever u wish
The Wire, you really nailed it at the exact center.... Go for the truth... ✌️
Modi and Shah and his Andhbhakts to fool and to lie
On 370 Article Spread hatred
On Nehru . One can not fool
People for ever .Truth will
Some how come up whether
One like it or not. Modi and Shah BJP these all are LUNATICS Ahankary to accept
that what Nehru did for INDIA.So brainless and Stupid
When these uncultured point
Finger on Nehru and his family. No parts in India's
Freedom Struggle BJP RSS.
They were busy licking Angrez's buttocks .Now
All of a sudden these power
For Greedy Deshdrohi become Deshbhakts !
Salute Mr Raghavan.... Superbly explained the truth of Kashmir
I always heard the term librandu but never knew what this term is all about,but today I see this gentlemen and first word that comes to my mind is he is a severe form of librandu.
@songs plzz hahahaaaa I knew it was comming,but you cannot deny fact.These serpents can only give lectures and seminars now,370 has been abolished in national interest and I will back government for this.
@songs plzz did I say he is liying,there are facts in it but with a twist.The decision which was taken during the time of independence and was collective decision keeping in mind the scenarios of that particular time and situation.Nobody knew that the islamic terrorism will engulf the state from late half of 80's.And we all know it is been perperated and carried out by Pakistan and few radicalised locals.And now abolishing 370 will make the government fight this terrorism better and also will lead to development of the state.
Atleast kashmiris are still there in our side,just have a look in POK these kashmiris are facing the wrath of Pak army and there has been a paternised cleansing of kashmiris over there.Kashmiris have become minority there wherein their land has been occupied by army and other pak civilians.
If your garden is encroached by tresspassers will you not do fencing and keep somebody to have a check on your property.No i think being from that librandu you will give this to them and flee the place.
A few other points worth noting are, the Indian Govt had sent troops to Junagadh and Hyderabad to force them to accede to the Indian Union, seeing this Pakistan too reacted in a similar manner by sending its troops to Kashmir.
Raja Hari Singh acceded to the Indian Union with the condition that anything that had to be done in Kashmir could only be done with the consent of the people of Kashmir, i.e only afte holding of a plediscite
Ruler of Hyderabad amd junhagar are not treat well to Hindus they only make higher status to Muslim so that our Army send. How those two enclave city become sperate nation? Ita just like one USA city in between russia or one Russia city in between USA. Is it possible? NO soon or later it will part of INDIA.
Ya, we tend to overlook the muscle-flexing that the Indian govt did while treating with some princely states. It was politically expedient, true. But nonetheless it wasnt democratically ideal. I guess that is why we try to overlook or whitewash it
This makes sense sir
Haha. And what WhatsApp university says !! 😅
What a nice lectures in its own realities which have nothing in its any mixing purely on historical basis of facts, really God Almighty keeps the truth to behold by His graceful creatures in human being in whatever may be the circumstances, God bless you with highest dignities and well prosperities
Very stupid Anti India Analysis. India did not sign for slavery but British ruled India for 200 years. A few things are done for your country not for rules.
@@raviatri5603 man sakha craps are propaganda items. Don't confuse it with history.
@@softgrowl what history do you know of India?
Thanks wire. in for giving us a really knowledge on Kashmir issue. I will be sharing it to other people in order to make them knowledgable about Kashmir issue. Really appreciate your efforts on Kashmir issue
Sardar Patel was from Congress, not BJP.
It is true Patel, had agreed to hold the peblicite, however Pakistan shot itself in its foot by invading Kashmir.
It is wire that catches fire..,😆😆😆😆
Their data is right but their subjects are selective
Nice rhyming 😊
@@priyamalhotra3794 Thanks, 😊
Same lacture to be loaded in Hindi language along with all regional language so all Indian can understand reality of article 370 .
And lai spread by Modi and his government with RSS .
hindi IS also a regional language.
Same advice which you give others.......learn ENGLISH
Thank u Mr. Raghavan for showing us truth regarding such sensitive issue
Now I know what is love .. It's something that I have for work of such people. (historian in this video)
One word "enlightened"
very informative lecture
Truth always bitter.
If India and Pakistan grow above religion they can be good friends.
5:46 is a total bs truth is completely different my friend
Kashmir will belong to India
Will always belong to India
Very informative lecture on article 370.
I am Kashmiri and I don't support abrogation of article 370. It will make Kashmir more alienated from India.
The Wire, please post the full lecture, or at least share the link to it in the description. I don’t want a heavily edited video.
Just look it up yo
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Sardar patel is quite over rated to be fair.
Anair trueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
A very well explained speech.The people who are so hyper about the 370 should watch this.
Great stuff Mr. Raghavan!
I'm very happy to see you here!
Great video where you've only taken out the parts from the speech which supports your narrative. For a media house which believes in fact based journalism it is atleast imperative to upload the link to the full speech.
Best demonstration and proper execution of articles 370
It’s an eye opener speech for common people, andh bakt and godi media..
Great info and efforts by Mr. Srinath Raghavan.
Thankyou sir historian Shri Raghavan for your excellent lecture on 370 and Kashmir.I wish those who are misinforming the public , those in power and vested interests and lobbies are devoting from facts and setting their own history and getting everything wrong . The citizens of Kashmir are being held ransom for the vested interests.Sir intellects like you must help everybody see the right way to settle this burning problem.
अब भक्त भोकेंगे और बोलेंगे की राघवन अँटी इंडियन है..! 🤣🤣
hum leftist ki baat nahi sunate.
@@harshpandey3431 suna isliye to reply kiya😂😂
@@machinery_expert sunate hai lekin maje lene ke liye , lekin mante nahi..
@@harshpandey3431 maje lo kitna lena hai, magar itihas ko koi bhi mita nhi sakta... 🚫🚫🚫
Lo proof bhi mil gaya 😂😂 ab koi Pakistani bhi kahega inhe
Sir please provide this in Hindi and other regional languages, let people know the truth
hindi IS a regional language in case you forgot.
@@newdlo8297 please read my words clearly
Thanks a lot Wire for this. Pls keep up your work and keep your fight for truth and knowledge. India will remember your contribution in the dark age of Media.
Whatsapp University: where facts are not fact
Simple to point out. The people of Kashmir didn't wanted to join India.
India dealt with it undemocraticly. Ignoring the will of the people.
That clearly states altogether, Kashmir hasn't been solved yet. It needs to be resolved by the will of the people. Till then it's in the UN zone both IOK & POK.
Until justice is done with the people of Kashmir democratically , sad to say a lot of resources will go in war. And we are a nation of overwhelming poverty, overwhelmingly lacking education population wise & overwhelmingly corrupt.
Now what's best for our generation but this stupid war we're holding on to against the will of the people of a state.
Congratulations! The Greed, the Selfishness & the unfairness of our Governments on to these people will unfortunately bring nothing else to India but population wise missery of poverty & a burden of on & off wars.
Patchy Progress over all 🙄
Tomorrow if people of my Colony do not want to be with India and want Independence, what should our govt do.
@@raviatri5603
(Thairee hakomath nai thairee population pai zeeyyatee kee ?)
Did the Central Government
commit brutality on your State's population ?
(Thairee Maa , baihin aur glee glee kai parros mai larkeeyyo kai saath koch ghalat howa ?)
Were your mothers , sisters & rest of neighbourhoods daughters in your State been victimised with physical wrong doings ?
(Thairee glee glee kai bachai roz aghwa howai ? )
Were your neighbourhood subject to daily news of children abductions ?
(Thairai haa mass graves millai ?)
Did you find Mass Graves of your own people ?
(Thairee 50 % auwrathai widow howee ?)
Are your women in your State 50% widows ?
( Thairai haa aadhai bachai orphans howai ? )
Do you find more than half number of children in your State as orphans ?
(Jab Kashmir jaisai history aur zayyaathee ka tajrobaah hee nahee howa , tho thomhara State keeyyaa sammaj rakai .)
When like Kashmir , you haven't had the same history & haven't had the slightest experience of brutality , then what State has the audacity to ask & understand their pain .
(Jab thairai State mai yai sab zayyathee hoowai , tho thairai State kee janthaa bhee Azadi maangai .)
When your State will go through the same trauma repeatedly as the people of Kashmir have , then your State's people will also begin to shout , scream & protest the demand for right of independence.
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@@3rah356 ALL THAT you are talking about is BIG LIE. From the very beginning they have their own MLAs, MPs, and other local leaders and they have state govt of the locals.
Central govt only plays role of help when in need.
Indian Army is not only in Kashmir, it's all over India. If it does not to atrocity in other parts of India, why would it do it in Kashmir.
Problem lies in Islamic extremism, which is not able to function the way it want like in other places where Muslims are in majority. Like in Pakistan...
@@raviatri5603
(yaar thom left to right aur right to left bohaat chaalo ho.)
You are going from left to right & right to left dodging the main point.
370 was a treaty agreement between the Raja of Kashmir & the Central Government. After his death , 370 multiple times was dissected , double crossing , betraying , deceiving, manipulatively against the will of the Kashmiri people, all went on in Central Government on 370.
(Wah daath dainee chaheeyai, Central Government kee 🤨)
How tricky the Central Government have been for their cunning deceitful scheming up against the will of those people. 🤨
(Central Government hee Army ko aijazath daithee rahee hai Kashmiri pai zulam karnai kee.)
It's been under the nose of our Central Government that Army have been given much allowance in the treatment with the Kashmiris.
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( Aur BJP nai tho haadh kardee.)
And BJP has now worsen the case further
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@@3rah356 I have just seen these videos. I also saw some other videos related to Kashmiri children . Very horrible and sad situation in Kashmir.
One of the main reason to revoke 370 was to set ladakh free from Kashmir.
Even if Indian historians and professors talk sense on this particular subject, they very conveniently forget to tell why the "tribal invaders" 'invaded' J&K.
@A.H.just before a few days of the tribal invasion of Jammu and Kashmir, Jammu genocide of Muslims happened where according to London times 2 lakh Muslims were completely exterminated,half a million disintegrated this was done by dogra forces backed by RSS in Muslim majority Jammu.it is a few days after wards tribal invasion takes place.There may have been the influence of the pak administrative support too which i don't know.so in a way the attack was a kind of retaliative reaction by the then illetrate tribal masses.
@@amirmalik2917 full marks to you, sir, for knowing your history.
Modi should watch this...I strongly recommend !!
He will watch and say all of this is antinational propaganda. This is the age of post-truth. Truth and facts arw discarded as irrelevent. Only blind frenzy prevails
@Satanic Verses If they try to do so... 1971 will be repeated again to Pakistan !!
He narrating the factb of history. Which support his argument smartly hiding other side
Very stupid Anti India Analysis. India did not sign for slavery but British ruled India for 200 years. A few things are done for your country not for rules.
@@praveenshukla472 History mein PhD karne waale bhayya.. other side aap dikhaadho
Sadar tricked the kings of princely states every Gentleman from Princely state knows well.
Plebiscite will happen only when pakistan will comply to UN resolution.
Kashmir is like adopted kid with legal terms and conditions.
@msc14111990 kisi ko ngi milega bas Balochi ko milega aur pakhtun ko. The end
Well they are true.. if patel was handling it.. kasmir nhi hota hmara😂
Kashmir hogya but Kashmiris nai
This guy is wrong, check the instrument of accession
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_of_Accession
@@bhavvibhor Wikipedia is written by people like you and me.. anyone can scribble what they want to.. if you want to give a reference give a proper article or research paper.
This guy clearly mentioned that instrument of accession was only for foreign affairs , defense and communication. This is factually incorrect, let him deny this. Instrument of accession was for total accession and not give any special powers to the rulers of erstwhile states.
It’s a Different point raised by Indians , it’s first time , I m hearing from an Indian , I heard from Pakistan all the time .. Hyderabad, JunaGarh, And Kashmir were taken through force by India
So it means india forcebly grabed junagad hyderabad along with kashmir
Nope voting done at that time he hiding one side of story in kashmir. Nehru commited referndum but pakistan wage war against india and also kashimri pandit thrown away from state that why no referendum conducted
@@praveenshukla472 Where did Nehru committed referendum?
@Peter, as far as Hyderabad is concerned read about Operation Polo. India did use force to annex Hyderabad.
@@Shakeelsway i said about junagrah now come hydrabad sane situation people wanted to join india but nawab wanted to join pakistan but sardar patel denied because it is difficult to manage a alien country state in between country so nawab send his men britain to buy weaphon which foil and rage war against india he deafeated in that war by humilation nawab nd family flee to pakistan
@@Shakeelsway nd by ur logic pakistan sindh baluchostan pashtun never wanted join pakistan they annexed by force in kashmir they send kablai fighter nd sindh is hindu majority so they needed to get free tooo
Don't know where from you got this information. All the above mentioned states unanimously opted to join Pakistan. Though Hindu- Muslim exchange between the two countries happened but no Pakistani state was annexed.
Additionally, whatever the reason, India did use force and military to annex Hyderabad. In this operation hundreds were killed. Even Wikipedia mentions it was annexed not acceded.
#BHAKTS are #ANPAD so please translate the same in hindi or if possible translate it in every language that BHAKTS understand ...... 👌
Thanks for the informative lecture,
One query what about Kashmiri pandit genocide?
6 lakh people exodus who did this, who is responsible,who are stone peltors, who makes Kashmir Islamic state even after being a part of secular India?
Please enlighten me with your great knowledge.🙏
The Pandits were killed by terrorists trained and armed by Pakistan. At that time the local population did not support terrorists in large numbers as today.
Over years due to the widespread spread of Internet and Social
Mediia the support to the terrorists organization has increased. Actually the terrorism had decreased considerably and tourists were once again swarming Kashmir IN Late 1990s and early 2000.
This all came to a stop when Burhan wahini became more popular due to shrewd use of social media. The population who were receptive to extreme Islamic ideology became even more receptive to extremist ideology when Burhan Wahini was killed.
6 Lakh? are you fucking kidding me.
Instrument of Accession was the same draft for all 580 princely State. Anyone can get it in National Archives in New Delhi even in Google. Signed by Maharaza Hari Sing and Lord Mountbatten In Instrument Of Accession there was no special provision for any princely state even for Jammu and Kashmir. 370 has the another history it had been included without any debate in perlament as a temporary and transitional as a gift for Sheikh Abdullah from Neheru. Please Mr Historian you need to be mre educated on this issue until don't deliver it in wrongly.
😂😂 get well soon man
Kudos to Mr. Raghavan for unveiling the truth about Article 370.
Thanks for clarifying
He makes sense.
Taha Sheikh Of course to a muslim he would why not. To me he hasn’t painted the right picture. He just mentions the aftermath things.
@@viralbarot3203 why to a Muslim it should be ok. And to you it is not ok. Get well soon and invest in your mental faculties, for your own good.
Sathish Kumar Do I really need to tell you why? Are you ignorant to the fact that Muslims feel they are being prosecuted and this government is against them ? Did I say I hate Muslims and they are bad ? I have more Muslim friends then Muslims you know so shut up! You need to open your brains and understand that be it a Muslim or a Hindu the countries interest comes first. Now just because you don’t like this bjp party your ability to judge has become low.
Dare you to say something about the exodus and genocide of 3 lakh kashmiri pandits from Kashmir in 1990
NO he wont.
Truth has to surface and reach the people in short.
All distortions should be rectified.
All misconceptions should be cleared.
What a wonderful description of article 370. Most rarely such opinions come up and historians like him are much needed at the present time. I have heard many conflicting opinions before even by some good scholars but he has presented it clear and to the point. As a Kashmiri I salute him.
He is partially right. It is true that Patel was ready to exchange Hyderabad for Kashmir, though Kashmir was mostly handled by Nehru. Hyderabad first appealed to UN. As a result package deal, plebiscite in Hyderabad, Junagadh and Kashmir, was proposed by India to UN. Mount Batten proposed this to Jinnah with out consulting Patel and Nehru, and stated so to Jinnah. Jinnah didn't want that because he knew Pakistan will loose all three. India proposed it to UN anyway. Nehru's mistake was not to hold plebiscite immediately after the cease fire; Jammu Kashmir would have opted for India in 1951 if choice was between India and Pakistan.
What is the source....of his info...except the recorded statement of shyma Prasad Mukherjee.
This is not some magic box, go and email him.
Article 370 was the umblical cord between India and Kashmir. The future is uncertain.
Those how are against the intrest of this country should be thrown out
Can you let which documents or book has this information
A much needed Topic to be discussed.
Thank you to The WIRE for your amazing work in these Dark times.
🙏🏼 🇮🇳 🌹
#getwellsoonmodia
Please keep trending this in twitter youtube and Facebook to show our solidarity and unity aganist GODI MEDIA and ANDH BHAKTS.
Crystal clarity....because he's telling FACTS..
How many bhakts can understand English to feel the other side of the version.
Very enlightening.
woooo grt man good knowledge hats off for u
I am Modi Bhakt and i appreciate this guy for the facts.
Does it change anything, NO.
Article 370 was a shell anyways ( started with Congress , Indira ghandi as he mentioned ) , better to remove it for industrial and economical development .
India will also get an upper hand against Porkistan.
Kashmir pe zulam ka hisab to Dena hoga.
Pakistan too. Pakistan has to give hisab to the 3 million bengali muslims in 1971 and right now thousands of ahmedis shias and baloch
Hisab toh sood ke saat mil raha hai wadi ki logon ko.*It's the curse of widows, family members of original Kashmiri Muslims, Hindus and Sikhs* in 1947 who were looted, raped and killed by Pak regulars in the guise of kabalis, then the *genocide of lakhs of innocent Pandiths* in 1990 and also the curse of thousands of *Jammu, Kashmir and Ladakh police, Indian army and air Force personnel's windows and children.*
@Section B Shuffled 2K-15 liar* 😒
hisab k chakkar mein kahin aur na gand fat jaye 😂 dekhna
Very Informatic
God has been very kind to Kashmiri Pandits. This self appointed historian did not blame dilution of article 370 for ethnic cleansing of Hindus from Kashmir.
We will debate on this though, this is debatable but the fact of the matter is Mr. Modi demolished it. ✊✊
In-depth education always sounds well....Thanku sir.
Thank you Raghvan eloborating the real facts about Sardar Patel. Patel was not interested in Kashmir he was insisting for Hyderabad.
Yes and he also need to be interviewed by Pakistani news channel......
Yeah and high time they stop playing their bullshit victim card.
India news is Pakistan news anyways 🤣
May be u r saying right or not...i dont care.ok?..but as a indian i will tell that kashmir should part of india like other states without extra privilege..i dont care about their opinions ...being indian ,i see indian perspective
As a Pakistani I admire this man's knowledge on history.Alot of Indians are taught history on Kashmir in a very biased way similarly pakistanis are also taught Kashmir history in a largely biased way.Turns out the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Why The wire trimmed the video to suit their narrative....Why cant any channel provide the speech as is
You do a search in you tube and you will find the entire video.
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They are now part of Independent india and enjoys all the fundamanetal rights and duties
Thanks
Excellent contemporary talk. This gentleman gave us the historical facts
Now let the our prime minister hear and understand the this gentleman. But the BJP and hindutatva followers cannot digest this historical facts. Therefore they are spreading falsehoods and created unnecessary confusion among masses
But my opinion is that to abrgation of 370 article should have been done in proper manner with cosent Kashmiri people. Then scene wpuld have been different . Now only hope that Phir Subha Hogi. Abdul Mateen
Nobody trusts muslims, specially when they are in majority. Truth is bitter.
@@NishchayBhuta-en8rl keyboard warriors like you don't give a shit about this nation and are busy with BJP propoganda you all are in every chat that deals with the truth...beware that riots are caused by the politicians within the people, normal people loose lives. You might think you are safe but when it starts I doubt your WhatsApp University will save you
Can the full lecture be shared?
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@@DenisenJoshua4391 thank you!
Slap on BJP !!
Chai wala is your all Prime Minister and dont forgot
Thank your for your your info 🇮🇳❤️
Insightful but It's funny that he mentions the reservation for sc and st and then quickly changes the topic because then he would had to explain why a SC from Kashmir could be a PHD but couldn't get a govt job above a sweeper grade . No mention why the Hindus and Sikhs (more than half a million now) that moved from POK to Jammu and parts of Kashmir were labelled as Displaced person and refugees in their own country denying them the rights vested by the state (Using the same autonomy granted under article 370). Would love to hear his thoughts on these as well .
I am certain all Desh Bakhts will agree to the bulk of Mr. Raghavan's conclusions. However, most Modi Bakhts will not agree to it as it does not suit their false narrative.
ANIL And who the hell are you to make a statement of what is true and what is false ?
@@viralbarot3203 Please don't disturb when adults are talking. Go play with your Modi toys. Go...
ANIL What an immature thing to say. Not sure who needs to play with toys. Oh and yeah you can also go play with your Owaisi and Rahul toys.
@@viralbarot3203 Shhh...
Kashmiris are today in better hands
I wish that people could read such counterpoints than what is available at whatsapp university
Srinivas Varanasi Your assumption of people gaining knowledge from whatsapp it’s really stupid makes you look like and idiot. Anyway why don’t we have a discussion of what he is saying. A healthy discussion. What say?
hahahahha stupid people like you are complaining about whatsapp ,you are yourself is similar youtube university.
His entire story was kind of methalogic story with missing facts and refrences.
The so called what app people have valid points with written proofs and audio recordings of past.