Andrew Bacevich on China's Rise as Global Superpower & Decline of U.S. Empire After Iraq Invasion
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- Опубліковано 21 бер 2023
- Andrew Bacevich is a historian, co-founder of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft and a retired Army colonel. He joins us for a wide-ranging conversation about China's 12-point peace plan for Ukraine, how Beijing is taking on a more assertive role in world affairs, and the 20th anniversary of the U.S. invasion of Iraq. There is "no question" that the 2003 invasion was a war crime, says Bacevich, and he condemns its supporters' "unwillingness to grapple" with their culpability.
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800 foreign military bases is not a sign of a peacekeeping country. Surrounding China and Russia with military bases and nuclear weapons doesn't help. Wow, what hypocrisy! The New Silk Road is the future of economic prosperity for Ukraine and Afghanistan.
That literally is peacekeeping. So that WWIII doesn't happen
Beyond the military bases all over the planet. It's easy to see that the vast majority of US weapons systems. Have two main functions. Power extension and attack...
Are not defensive systems! It's that simple.
Example: US 20 Aircraft and heli carriers. Function projection of power... Not defense. So much so, that they're not even on US borders. They're on someone else's borders! Oops!
The Silk Road poses a real threat to the US economy and the collective West, hence the reasons the West continually attempts to block China's expansion in the Pacific.
Well said.
how about providing depleted uranium and building dozens and pumping the world with more nuclear submarines
Remember when they said Iraq would be an economically thriving democracy in no time? Good times.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
@@littlerayofsunshine69 That be the same kind of white men's burden shit that landed us where we are.
@@littlerayofsunshine69 then why forced democracy on the people using military?
Iraq went perfectly..oil stolen every day
The blood 🩸 suckers have trying to destroy the world with war’s virus 🦠 fake vaccine 💉 God will never allow the 🧛♀️👁👿🦟👹devils. To win .
But a declining empire is very dangerous due to its desperation. 🥵
Sounds like Rome. USA will eventually split up into multiple states.
China is declining empire and its very very dangerous. USA is also dangerous and declining empire. But what can you do thats path we picked. Nothing you say or do can change that future because empires fall by their nature.
Yes, USA has already weaponized the global reserve currency and the SWIFT transaction system! This is an injustice because it affects more innocent people!
China is challenging America hegemony, but the Chinese are too poor and far behind in everything's so don't worry.
@@rishabdhar6900 It’s already multiple states 😂
Andrew Bacevich is absolutely saying the fact and it is the reality.
I disagree with giving Bush the pass. Everyone knowingly involved in the crime should be investigated and charged. Justice needs to be blind of person, their background or position.
Are we talking about Bush Senior or Junior? For Bush Sr., I believed that he is duly responsible for the Gulf War. But I have to agree on Bush Jr.; he looked like a bit clueless, not the smartest of the pack.
@@onisuryaman408 we aren’t talking about the Gulf War we talking about the 03 invasion of Iraq
being clueless has nothing to do with all the innocent people he has killed
Bush and Putin can share a jail cell.
@@timeenoughforart Putin isn't a war criminal. Just be mad that he saved Russia from US hegemony.
Congratulations to Mr.Bacevich for daring to speak the truth. A true patriot.
Qqqqqaqa
He is a treacherous simpleton who has backed a country that cant innovate its way out of a paper bag. Let alone the diplomatic nonsense.
Chinas 12 part plan for peace started with the non proliferation of nukes. Russia the next few days states its moving tactical nukes to Belarus a clear violation of the NPT.
Wake up.
What truth? All he is is a russian apologist
the guy is full of shit, just a tankie. Completely biased agaisnt america and ukraine.
Zelinsky has consistently been saying that they'd keep fighting until they kicked the russians out, but now this dude is saying that america is the only one who wants to fight, bullshit.
We are having a war even worse than what america did in iraq, but these clowns are so inconsistent with their principles that they manage focus more on "america bad" nitpick bullshit criticism than on criticizing the brutal dictator that actually started the war.
When america was doing all the coups in it's "sphere of influence" (south america) y'all rightfully called it imperialism, now russia does the same, even worse tbh, and you are all calling america the imperialist for defending the victim at the victim's request. embarrising.
@@datrevmeister More like all you can do is to parrot aphorisms. Zero intellectual capacity.
20 years ago i participated in a march against the War in the middle east, downtown Toronto,...
i still feel the same way about it twenty years later.
I actually have more questions about it and how 3 buildings fell out of 2 airplanes.
I really appreciate hearing this man’s views. He seems untainted by politics. He seems to be a man of peace.
So USA should tell who is neutral here...i think the biggest question is whether USA is willing to end the conflict or not????
Uncle Sam is riding on the tiger's back. there is risk getting off, and he can't stay on the back forever.
Is there more to it? Vladimir Putin has called the breakup of the Soviet Union "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th Century." Ukraine was a part of the Soviet Union. Putin took Crimea in 2014. Does he stop before he gets it all back? Can we believe anything he says about future intentions? How do we stop this in the long run? Advise democracy loving Ukrainians to capitulate and leave their country? Is it really a good idea to show the Russian regime that their every advance will succeed if they just persist?
I am advised by my Ukrainian friends that they like boxing. Their view seems to be that the Russians had it too easy before this war and that they need to learn to respect Ukraine as an independent, sovereign nation. Putin gathered a lot of his world view in the context of martial arts. A hard fight can bring about an enduring respect.
US is NOT willing to end the war.
@@peanut0brain war burns a lot of money. US cannot print endless money at the moment with banking crisis and high inflation. japan is footing the bill for ukraine. how long can it go on?
Clearly not! Keep sending weapons and money over. Same thing happens to Taiwan. Americans politicians are gone crazy. Common sense has no place in America.😂
This man Andrew Bacevich has expressed the best combination of objectivity, INTEGRITY, and genuine concern of any guest I have listened to on this channel concerning this issue so far. Kudos.
Facts!
Facts 💯
One should dance around and tip toe around brutal dictators who's power isn't checked nor balanced.
Sayin China is trying a diplomatic solution proved he is possibly the stupidest person that ever lived. That China is neutral proved he is in fact the stupidest. They did not even condemn Russia for invading a country, trying to erase it from the face of the earth. A country that held no hostility to Russia and would never pose a threat to it, and he knows it, makes them neutral?
Then he also said so many things that are detached from reality , I already posted a very long reply to one, not a second. Actually I will copy and paste. Read it, don't get reactionary ( we all do it) and ask yourself, point by point, if what I am saying is true. It is easy to fall for people like this, I have done it, we all have . Actually think if I m right, or he is.
Reality is an inflexible thing. I am left of center and opposed the war in Iraq, but this channel is the left equivalent of FOX. Nothing, and I do mean nothing, can happen in the world without Iraq being mentioned. Well let's mention Iraq. The USA did achieve a swift, cheap and very low causality ( on both sides) IN THE WAR., victory. Now in the nation building, that is a different thing. The bottom line is the influential people in Iraq had a chance to build a fair , democratic society with Saddam gone. They chose instead a civil war to fight over the same things they fought over since the 12th century. The USA did not choose that. And the war was the wrong move in my opinion, it was not illegal as many love saying. It was authorized by the UN, and Iraq broke all 4 possible ways a nation can abandon it's sovereignty.
This guy says it's a proxy war between the USA and China. What a clown. So somehow the USA convinced China to convince Russia to invade Ukraine so they could indirectly fight a war with China that China is not sticking their nose in out of fear of being sanctioned out of existence. He did not explain how the USA got all this to happen. Putin did not invade Ukraine!!! Says the dummies. IRAQ IRAQ IRAQ!!!. Did the USA take part of Iraq? Did they try and erase their identity? Comparing the two is absurd. And even if they were equal, not that they are, how does that make Putin right?
He also says neither Ukraine nor Russia will win. Ukraine has already lost almost 250K people and a trillion of property and infrastructure because Russia invaded and tried to annex it. Getting Russia off every square inch in not a victory, it is a return to the status quo prior to Putin's invasion. He acts like Ukraine did something to start this war. Like Russia and Ukraine are equally to blame. And anyone who actually thinks it is due to NATO expansion is a COMPLETE fool. In this day and age having Moldova as a buffer will not stop an invading army from NATO. The idea of it is beyond stupid. And NATO expands why? Because Russia is it's number 1 recruitment tool. Finland and Sweden wanted to remain neutral for 70 years and this convinced them that Russia is once again, for the the umpteenth time in it's history, going on an expansion. And countries joined so they would not be imprisoned by Russia, AGAIN!
And no a million people did not die in the Iraq war. Barely Saddam's toll in a month of rule were killed in the war. The rest died in the civil war that their religious leaders CHOSE to fight with the help of Iran.
As for China rising as a power. They are declining already. They have been cut off from high tech chips. The power of China can disappear overnight through revolution, the USA's power can't. The only reason they have any power is the west hoped engagement would end in democracy. That policy is now been abandoned. Now they will slowly be cut off the money train. That is what Xi is worried about. This ass wipe compares China, a country that seeks to steal parts of almost a dozen countries, is a totalitarian dictatorship, with concentration camps, to the USA? I am all for looking inward and criticism, but it is offensive to compare the 2.
And how a few dozen terrorists deciding to fly planes into buildings proved the USA had no power left is beyond me. Notice he did not explain it? No power can stop a small group from doing something like that.
Andrew Bacevich is a treasure. America's War for the Greater Middle East should be required reading.
It's not too often that one comes across an objective, impartial American/Western commentator/analyst who is so well versed with international issues
Andrew Bacevich said the most true thing you can hear out of a political historians mouth. "You can't take anything either American political party says at face value."
If you want to know what Chinese propagandists in America look like. Look to Andrew Bacevich. He’s only given an opinion without any support in this interview. Typical talking head…
The actual quote is that you can't take either party--China, Russia or the us--at face value
I suppose the CCP says everything it means and means everything it says.
Wow finally someone who is honest and and objective. I am shocked and just happy to listen to someone who’s reasonable. Thank you Andrew
if only the evil US/NATO
Would only listen, if they truly cared about Ukraine they would have been calling for cease-fire a year ago!!
If China is ' too close' to Russia what is the US to Ukraine?
Much much closer.
China and Russia are two autonomous super powers. While Ukraine is totally dependent on the US for its survival and it will take any money to do anything. It has become a puppet country. With two consecutive puppet presidents.
but thats "different" ... just like the u.s. invasions of afghanistan and iraq and bombings of libya and somalia and syria are somehow "different" from russia's invasion of ukraine
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it always baffles me that all western conversations start with the assumption that U$ is the good guy and others will have to prove their innocence.
It really is quite bizarre.
Thank you Ms. Goodman and Democracy Now for your work this interview with Mr. Bacevich and your commentary.
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Congratulations on your unbiased reporting of the truth that is affecting so many but dictated and carried out by so few in power.
Those who don’t learn from history will bound to repeat it.
Well Said again and again for sure
The problem is the collective west has committed so many atrocities that they have to distort history to cover up their past.
The regime that neglected people’s rights for prosperity and peace, will fall, history showed! People put them guys in Washington and they dared to put people in harm’s way? This is democracy? The people are not stupid at all as they think we are!
Americans love to repeat history. It's all the fault of the Chinese. China does indeed have WMD, like Iraq, which is your reason for war with China. Get your children ready for war with China. An all-out war with China would solve all of America’s problems, what the Opium Wars did for the British. Rich American kids stay home, and young working-class Americans are ready, excited, and happy to fight the genocidal Chinese.
George Bush says the will of the people says they want all out war with Mexico
The world in needs peacemakers not warmongers. China is a catalyst for global economic development cooperation friendship. Well done China 👍❤️🇨🇳
I love you Amy thank you for your honest dedication, you bring hope.
Wow! Brilliantly put. There are many intelligent, insightful and concerned thinkers in the US. The world needs people like this in The White House.
The UK mainstream media is slowly talking about cessation is even starting to criticize US policy.
AB needs to be on every news channel and every talk show for the sake of world peace. ☮️
Brilliant analysis of Andrew Bacevich. A man of integrity. The real perpetrators are indeed Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz...etc. Well, imagine Cheney, Wolfowitz sitting in a prison room with Bush and Blair, reminiscing the Irak war. It is about justice !!!
Oh!! Ye!! Just those!! What about the other US wars; both declared & undeclared in the past & happening right now??!!
What about the native Americans??!! Was it Dick Cheney, Bush...etc.??!!
Let's not give Barack Obama a pass. He is a true "War Pig."
@@rka-truthalwayswins5127 There’ll Never Be Justice. It’s sad but true..
@@CMoore8539 They won't do it on their own but evil Karma has seeds of it's own destruction! Time keeps the balance sheet & strikes back at the right time ;)) !!
@@rka-truthalwayswins5127 For what Valuable Reason, Madeline Albright of Poland and Bush Secretary of US State to Attack and Destroy the Whole Federation of Yugoslavia
John Kirby: "I don't see how China can be impartial; they haven't condemned either side."
I hate being on the side of liars.
Remember how impartial America dealt with Israel - Palestinian PEACE DEAL ?
Kirby: "China can't be impartial; they haven't sanctioned Russia." In other words, they haven't taken our side. This guy is so deep in his own ideology, he can't see the irony and contradiction of his words.
Even on the historic diplomatic restoration between Saudi and Iran, Kirby sounded more sour than my spoilt vinegar. Biden Admin is just stubborn and incompetent
Haha! His words prove China is indeed impartial.
Mediator must not take side 😂 dah 🎉 Americans politicians lost touch and their common sense
There is no question that:
"The Iraq war initiated by the United States, a war of choice, was a crime"
- well said Professor @ 16:25 mins
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Thank you for the podcast there is no other answer to this conflict than having intelligent men and woman coming to a peaceful fair agreement
Fair agreement with nazi ?
Who is nazi there are 2 countries involved Russia and Ukraine no other countries should have a say in there negotiations thank you there has to be a fair agreement between those 2 countries
@@nancyfarrell2947 OK, as to me, the fair agreement is denazi and demilitarisation of Ukraine.
Ukraine to be neutral.
And this will be fair
First time to know Andrew Bacevicy! Truly respect his intelligence and honesty opinion through the facts!
And I am definitely going to read his book
Don’t waste your time with his book, better learn Mandarin
Thank thank you Democracy now for bringing someone up here who is not afraid to speak the truth.
I appreciate the honesty in your analysis Professor
I remember February 15th '03. I was in Hyde Park, London protesting the war. THAT was a crazy scene.
American diplomacy comes at the end of a warhead.
Chinese diplomacy comes at the end of building infrastructure,not bombing. Remember, china only threatens to use force against taiwan because it has always claimed taiwan is a part of china and if taiwan is a part of china, then use of force would be justified if taiwan declares independence,attempts to develop nuclear weapons or allows US to build military bases on taiwan
Damm Right 👉
sad but true
Russia are the ones actually using warheads.
You do know that Russia has more nuclear warheads than the USA, right? And you do know that Putin has actually threatened to use tactical nukes in the Ukraine, right? Facts matter.
"China is not impartial because they haven't condemned Russia" is a pretty funny joke from the National Security Spokesperson.
I don't see that China is trying to present itself as impartial, so yes, impartiality is irrelevant and that's worth a chuckle. China has clearly presented itself as the partner of Russia and as ready to do business with any nation interested. And why verbally condemn another nation when you can buy discounted oil and gas from them? China is building up a military they intend to use for leverage most of the time, and for a fight when they choose. Yeah, the "impartial" angle isn't coming from China.
Russia launched a very brutal invasion against Ukraine. Where's the joke in that?
Why should China join those corrupt vassal states of the US to condemn Russia.
While stock prices can be an indicator, it is hardly the best way to measure economic health. Lifting 800 million people out of poverty and unleashing the potential of these 800 million people is what really made China strong today.
So many things to consider in Bacevich's assessment.
A. Bacevich's books are truly engaging and NOT what one hears from the "media".
no its certainly out there.
Don't underestimate the knowledge and wisdom of statecraft gained from a five thousand year old crucible. There is reason to respect your elders.
Sometimes the elder is a bad parent who abuses their kids. China has concentration camps running around the clock. They don't even care about their own citizens and they constantly lie to the world and the public.
Those people who does not look on the history of war impacts way of life .Andrew Bacevich he is incredible intelligent about war.
In ancient Chinese military strategy book Si Ma Fa (《司馬法》The Marshal's Art of War, Chapter: Reng Ben 《仁本》 ), it was written,“A country that loves to go to war will eventually perish, but even though the world is in peace, a country that forgets how to go to war will be endangered"
US is a warlike nation with constant wars with one after another, so it final destiny is pretty neat in the future. It will soon go broke and collapse like former Soviet Union.
In Chinese, I believe it is 好战必亡，忘战必危.
And very important is also the other side. Because the Qing dynasty forgot how to go to war in the early 19th century, it was endangered.
This is very important to remember. You must never forget history.
Mr. Bacevicy 's answers were always short and precise, the US's foreign policy by those executive officials of the last two decade is without creativity and rely on military might only resulted in a futile and coming humiliation unquoted.
They are reductionist and annoying.
It's NOT just the last two decades!! It's the foundation of the US/Canada & the invasions, genocides & loot of native Americans that is problematic!!
China, Iran, Saudi Arabia,and Russia all authoritarian country's..... China mediating is nothing special considering who they are. China won't even talk to Ukraine.... therefore AB is an Idiot
They were short and dead wrong. Reality is an inflexible thing. I am left of center and opposed the war in Iraq, but this channel is the left equivalent of FOX. Nothing, and I do mean nothing, can happen in the world without Iraq being mentioned. Well let's mention Iraq. The USA did achieve a swift, cheap and very low causality ( on both sides) IN THE WAR., victory Now in the nation building, that is a different thing. The bottom line is the influential people in Iraq had a chance to build a fair , democratic society with Saddam gone. They chose instead a civil war to fight over the same things they fought over since the 12th century. The USA did not choose that. And the war was the wrong move in my opinion, it was not illegal as many love saying. It was authorized by the UN, and Iraq broke all 4 possible ways a nation can abandon it's sovereignty.
This guy says it's a proxy war between the USA and China. What a clown. So somehow the USA convinced China to convince Russia to invade Ukraine so they could indirectly fight a war with China that China is not sticking their nose in out of fear of being sanctioned out of existence. He did not explain how the USA got all this to happen. Putin did not invade Ukraine!!! Says the dummies. IRAQ IRAQ IRAQ!!!. Did the USA take part of Iraq? Did they try and erase their identity? Comparing the two is absurd. And even if they were equal, not that they are, how does that make Putin right?
He also says neither Ukraine nor Russia will win. Ukraine has already lost almost 250K people and a trillion of property and infrastructure because Russia invaded and tried to annex it. Getting Russia off every square inch in not a victory, it is a return to the status quo prior to Putin's invasion. He acts like Ukraine did something to start this war. Like Russia and Ukraine are equally to blame. And anyone who actually thinks it is due to NATO expansion is a COMPLETE fool. In this day and age having Moldova as a buffer will not stop an invading army from NATO. The idea of it is beyond stupid. And NATO expands why? Because Russia is it's number 1 recruitment tool. Finland and Sweden wanted to remain neutral for 70 years and this convinced them that Russia is once again, for the the umpteenth time in it's history, going on an expansion. And countries joined so they would not be imprisoned by Russia, AGAIN!
And no a million people did not die in the Iraq war. Barely Saddam's toll in a month of rule were killed in the war. The rest died in the civil war that their religious leaders CHOSE to fight with the help of Iran.
As for China rising as a power. They are declining already. They have been cut off from high tech chips. The power of China can disappear overnight through revolution, the USA's power can't. The only reason they have any power is the west hoped engagement would end in democracy. That policy is now been abandoned. Now they will slowly be cut off the money train. That is what Xi is worried about. This ass wipe compares China, a country that seeks to steal parts of almost a dozen countries, is a totalitarian dictatorship, with concentration camps, to the USA? I am all for looking inward and criticism, but it is offensive to compare the 2.
And how a few dozen terrorists deciding to fly planes into buildings proved the USA had no power left is beyond me. Notice he did not explain it? No power can stop a small group from doing something like that.
@@jacquelineleitch7050
This place is a joke, and the guy is a fool.
Those are evil people they don't like peace there's something that they are benefiting out of this war!... A person who have humanity at heart will never refuse peace talk seeing how people are dying!... How on earth can someone reject peace without first listening to the terms and conditions!..
If you invade Britain🇬🇧 I have nowhere to retreat. How's a peace plan gonna work
@Chris Viking is placing missiles at the door step of Russia worth dying for, for Ukrainian? Cause their home is the current battle field and we are just the cheerleaders and equipment providers!
They are all demonic souls for sure and they don't care about nothing but to cause chaos and death ☠
@@mickkelly6389 the Americans are coming George W Bush
@@mickkelly6389 do you know what happened in 2014? That is America's war through Ukraine/zelensky have no say, this enomic and global domination war. US get their super by a barrel of gun, China through infrastructure and trade. US will never become super power through business only through war. That's why they are wagging war everywhere in the world!
Just imagine what the status of the US would be if it would have fostered friendship, (free) education for foreigners, trade relations and a general mood of trust and friendship. It took the opposite path and is now earning what it has planted over the last 50 years.
Unfortunately they haven't had an ounce of the good qualities it takes to lead a nation like that since their inception. Look at their relationship with the Native Americans.
I am concerned that the US is handing over the baton of leadership of the world to China so easily. Global neutral spectators can easily see that the US is concerned more with geopolitical gains than the relief of Ukraine.
Thank you for raising the narrative of peace...we need more!
Thank you Amy and guest Andrew. I agree with him 100%. We live in a scary world now, ruled by nut jobs. Change has to come or ... we are all doomed.
psychotic usa needs a final nail in its coffin
We have to work with one another at the local level to compensate for the imbeciles in leadership.
Are you joking.
China has neither spoken to ukraines president nor condemned the invasion whilst it takes Russian oil.
In its 12 part plan its 1st point was the non proliferation of nukes...
Which putin has already demeaned by stating his moving tactical nukes to Belarus.
China couldnt innovate itself or diplomatically negotiate itself out of a paper bag, let alone be key on the world stage.
This guy is a nobody. That clearly has an eye on impressing what he thinks will be a big player.
Chinas going to fall in the next 10 years like a star collapsing in on itself.
Judith Campbell, but who is going to deliver that change? The nutjobs are in charge, but your right, we are doomed because the politicians are the nutjobs!
It has literally never been different.
This guest is one grand American. All respect.
Most Empire fell from being overly stretched and extended. History should be learned.
“Ceasefire…unacceptable.” - John Kirby, White House National Security Spokesperson
can you image this madness when there is a (proxy) war at another country where people are suffering so who cares what we think is acceptable. OMG can you image if someone said to us!! are we insane......yes an insane empire on the decline thanks to the politicians and war mongering generals with weapons manufacturers
Damm
This 99.9% support the fact that this is a proxy war supported by US
Kirby takes his orders from our shadow government.
Yes, these very words are of an unprecedented cynicism and of notorious infamy. What a disgrace, what a disgrace...!!!!
Occupying other countries not as easy as many have thought.
Mexico will be easy to invade :
@@chaliwen7217 Easy to invade and conquered, but not occupied. That would be difficult. To govern effectively? Nearly impossible.
@Cosmic Dancer Exactly. These simple minds think that it's just bombing someone into submission. And what happens after? You have a slave community like Israel has in Palestine. Integration only happens under fairness and when people feel they belong. Imposing your culture is a sure fire way to have a long protracted war that will take millions of lives. So Russia is showing that it's purpose is not shock and awe but it wants to occupy those lands and integrate them into their nation. The US doesn't understand that because Anglos don't integrate, they impose. They erase and replace. They can't comprehend Integration.
@@cosmicdancer
Smart n well said
@Cha li Wen. It is actually hard to invade Mexico due to it central mountainous terrain and a lack of roads.
After twenty years I hear a Western channel speaking the TRUTH. This is true dialogue. Was fed up with CNN and BBC and realised RT and CGTN and WION were more educative. Amanpour must feel like
@2:36 US logic -- because you have not condemned one side -- taken sides in the war -- you can't be impartial
Regardless of whether or not China is impartial Kirby is saying you can't be impartial *because* you have been impartial
Being a mediator, must not take side 😂 dah. Man American politicians are stupid.
They have a different definition of impartial.
welcome to amarikan psychosis, you really can't make this up, clowns are literally running the show in U$.
Also USA: "France is impartial in the Ukraine War" even though France is one of the largest military donators to the war in Ukraine
the west considers continuing business as usual, not condemning it in the UN, and increasing financial support, as tacit support for russia. which it is.
World Peace should always be a priority for every nation. With that being said; war has always been for for two reasons: obtainment of natural resources and inhumanity to it's citizens.
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no it's natural resources and military industrial complex rackeet to sell arms, people are treated inhuman everywhere
And even though we already know what we need to do but then billionaires wouldn’t be a thing 😢🎉😂
....or simply a demostration of "muscle"!
While the goal of world peace is certainly a noble one, the statement that war is only ever driven by the obtainment of natural resources or inhumanity towards citizens is a dangerous oversimplification of the complex realities of international relations.
From a materialist perspective, it is true that access to resources such as oil, minerals, and land has historically been a driving force behind many conflicts. However, it is important to recognize that geopolitical power struggles, ideological differences, and the pursuit of strategic interests also play significant roles in shaping international conflicts.
For example, the Cold War between the United States and the Soviet Union was driven primarily by ideological differences and a desire to exert global influence, rather than by resource acquisition or inhumanity to citizens. Similarly, the ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestine is driven by complex religious, historical, and political factors that go far beyond the simple desire for access to resources.
Moreover, the statement that war is solely motivated by the obtainment of natural resources or inhumanity towards citizens ignores the fact that many conflicts are driven by a combination of factors. For example, the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 was driven by a desire to secure access to oil resources, but also by a misguided belief that Saddam Hussein's regime posed a threat to global security and that American exceptionalism was a civilizing savior.
In summary, while the goal of world peace is certainly a worthy one, it is important to recognize that the causes of war are often complex and multifaceted, and cannot be reduced to a simple binary of resource acquisition and inhumanity towards citizens. Viewing international relations through such a narrow lens is not only inaccurate but also potentially dangerous, as it risks oversimplifying complex issues and overlooking the many factors that contribute to conflict.
It is so strange for the US administration to assert on the 20th anniversary of the Iraq war that Iraq and Afghanistan and their peoples have benefited and prospered greatly from the US occupation of those countries!
they never much cover this in main stream media as always this is an important piece of news
God bless this lady, she’s doing great job
Reactive, unimaginative, and ineffective, says Andrew Bacevich of USA International Diplomacy in 2023..
Mr. Bacevich is a great guest
Thank you Dr. Bacevich for your impassioned appeal to reason and common sense. However, I don't think Democracy Now really gets it, though they might pretend otherwise. It's sad to see them fall and decay.
I am impressed by his speech!
I always enjoy Andrew Bacevich objective analysis. 👍🙏🏿❤️
"We lied, we cheated, we stole."
Movement of it
Respectfully, and as a US citizen, CHARGE the war criminals.
How could the US survive if there is no wars in the world - who will they sell weapons to? 😁
Great question.
Remember that the Ukraine War was started by Putin. Xi has already stated that Taiwan 'belongs' to China and will take it by force if necessary! Autocrats like Putin and Xi are a threat to world Peace (not the US). Your question is absurd on its face!
The Chinese have been selling Arms ,since 1945 .🤷🏾♂️
Common sense people are to know by now that this is the best answer
civil war. Let's get a taste of our own medicine.
Choplogic by Kirby.
If China had condemned Russia, how could China be impartial? Only a powerful third party that has not condemned Russia can be the mediator. This should be an elementary concept.
Neither has China condemned Ukraine for allowing itself to be used to constrict Russia.
Remember when they said Afghanistan would be an economically thriving democracy in no time? Good times.
Excellent presentation. Thank you
Finally someone asking real questions! Really love when I run into real news channels!
Yield to the world dictations, is this really what you suggest? Glad we humans are not wired this way. Otherwise, we would be still living in caves banning fire after a neighbour roasted half of a tribe by accident.
The real questions were being asked before the invasion didn't make any change in agenda
I think the idea that you can invalidate a nation as an intermediary because they aren't impartial is self-defeating and ridiculous. What would an "impartial" nation in matters of geopolitics, warfare, and economics look like? The very existence of a state implies an agenda worth coordinating over, worth defending militarily, and so on. As if the US were somehow unbiased in this matter; they hand-selected key members of the Ukrainian government.
Well said.
Self defeating and ridiculous, are an accurate choice of words.
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I honor the sacrifice made by 1st Lt. Andrew Bacevich (CGS’01, COM’03). His father deserves profound respect for his loss. His words must be considered with full attention and due diligence.
Yes, I always pick war heroes opinions because they are American neoliberals who are willing to sell their souls for absolutely idiocy. Bother to look at democracy and this guy isn’t in it. He’s an entitled army brat.
Georgia ain't Eldest White... Russia & Ukraine are same, were the same idea, looking diverse for a story, not Periodic Table
Andrew Bacevich was a full bird colonel. He was one of the monsters of of the Vietnam war. He's no saint. And anyone who runs an organization whose funding comes from combined contributions by George Soros and the Koch brothers has lots of explaining to do. Two of the Quincy Institute's top members resigned over the Ukraine invasion and Bacevich's position. Something here doesn't align with reason. Russia is an invading army. That is an inescapable fact. Defending that position, or defending China who believes Russia has the right to dispossess the Ukrainian people of land occupied by the Russians is at best questionable.
Bacevich might have my support if he weren't clearly on the side of two imperialistic nations, Russia and China. Look the USA isn't much better, but as people of the world we can't be okay with stronger nations invading weaker ones. Simple truth and reason must prevail.
I honor his service and that of his son, but that doesn't mean he is right in this case.
@@kbuckendorf4287 After the Allies defeated the Axis Alliance, their commitment to ensure Peace Through Strength has been misunderstood. Nevertheless, America assumed preeminence over this obligation. She does not require consent to meet the demand of this noble and virtuous gesture. These forlorn moues from Bacevich derive from bitter loss.
More power to a Multi Polar World
Yea, Multi Polar in international means international democracy.
Completely agree with guest.
Grate smart Guest👏👌👍
Thank Amy, Thank you Andrew. ✨🙏✨
Great interview and commentary. 100% agree with his facts and opinions.
He is a liat
So, we are still pretending to believe that Zelensky is in charge, got it.
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True!! America should've been trying to negotiate for peace all along---nope. Got weapons to sell. Corpo Demons
So true until it left me speechless 😂
China builts roads, airports, and ports to connect countries and improving people live. On the other hand, the US builts militaries bases to divide countries and continue they hegemony.
I am now a fan of Mr. Bacevich.
Compromise would basically mean Russia won this war and Ukraine would have to live with a smaller territory, the higher risk and humiliation of having Russia occupying its land and the lack of punishment for the atrocities Russians did. If a neighbor had invaded your property and killed your family members, would you listen to anyone who proposed you should compromise and let them keep what they took and ignore the family members killed? Who would do that?
Well, the native American did, and the mexican lost california, Texas, the native Hawaiian did.
Russia was asking for negotiation for the last 8 years.
What did the Ukrainian government do?
It was begging for arms and money from NATO warmongers, bombing Donbass( which was actually Ukrainian territory with Mostly ethnic Russians) .
So Ukraine wasted 8 years to negotiate.
Now no stopping Russia.
That just sounded parallel to what the Canadian gov.did to its own citizens during the illegal mandates & kov.Idd shots disregarding body autonomy.
the lands Russians are "occupying" are a) inhabited by people opposed to Kiev govt, and that same govt is very opposed to them (as in prefers to see them dead), b) historic, collective name for those regions is Novorossiya c) atrocities Russians did like systematic killing of POWs done by Ukrainians (they are very proud of that), or death squads (you people call that "filtration units" d) as for family analogy, if a neighbor annexes my cousins house and inhabitants (by an approval of his cousin), kills one of cousin's kids and beats up another shouldn't I help my cousin and not his abuser? e) you attacked Serbia and created "independent" Kosovo because Serbs were abusive to Albanians (abusive meaning not giving them part of country)
Russia is not compromising the invader called US. Russia is fighting for its people living in the region.
It is obvious that even if Ukraine wants to accept the peace plan , both the US and NATO hold the power of veto to deny Ukraine any chance of a free choice regarding its desire to achieve a peaceful future! In every way Ukraine is being held captive to the US and NATO ' s interests!
We can't wait to see a Ukraine that is more peaceful with its neighbors and its territorial integrity restored.Peace to Ukraine and Russia.
Thanks for speaking for Iraqi people!
Ahlan Wa Sahlan my friend
Amy Goodman, what’s wrong with wanting to stop the war through negotiations?
very good work
Constitutional republic NOW!
Emmie thank you so much for the truth.
With big love and respect from Russia.
If Putin winds up in a cell in Brussels, shouldn't Blair and Bush occupy the cells on either side of his?
Why only 2 of them
WHAT A GREAT MAN👍
I am awakening and i am looking for the facts that build the truth .thank you for the objectivity to shine a light among all the dark lies propaganda and false flags .!!
What do you mean by false flags????
Finally a clear explanation of the real reasons for the Iraq war. No more the childish discussion about WMD, which was clear to me already at the original time to be just a nice rhetorical propaganda of moral facade for the public to swallow. I believe all politicians knew it at the time. But now somehow the rhetorics lives on as if it was real politics.
Speculatively, if the USA would have gone out of Iraq after achieving its declared initial goal, not staying in Iraq, declaring that now it is for the Iraqi people to do their own nation rebuilding, then the USA real intended power message would have been achieved, and at very low life and monetary cost to the USA.
PROF. ANDREW IS ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS 😿💔
CHINA WILL LAND UP BEING A SUPERPOWER 🙀
🙏🏽 PRAYING FOR THE U. S. N OUR GOVERNMENT 🍃💗
Bacevich stands with integrity and clear understanding whilst the interviewer betrays throughout, in her sous-text, her ideological allegiances.
Glad to see democracy now pivot . They were so anti Russia .
Question: Is any country trust USA ？ 😂
No country trust USA. Most countries just obedient because dollar is the world currency. very few countries can stand up to U.S.
No
what countries actually trust china and russia? silly question.
@@orangemoonglows2692 More and more countries trust China, because China has a great record of building mutually beneficial relationships, in order to promote common development.
@@orangemoonglows2692 The number is increasing as we speak.
The world still remembers how sad and cruel the iraq war was ,since the invasion the world started to looking for the alternative alliance.
One of these days I will sit down and count all U.S. bases. I don't think the U.S has anywhere near 700 bases let alone 100 bases. I will sit back and count them all soon.
THank you for putting this out there!!!
Thank you for the update information
I love this channel. Amy does such a good job with her coverage.
The powerbrokers in the US and those with massive egos in the Anglosphere have one card to play and one only - complete domination of a situation, including theft, breaking the law, demanding changes to a will, whatever, so long as they dominate 100% all is well and good and if they don't, they simply play that one card each time. This one strategy, if you can call it that, led to the British Empire, and shortly thereafter, American Independence followed by American power dominating the globe. The only problem is, that last era is over, and unlikely to return any time soon. The annual economic growth rate of the US is low compared to a few key power centers outside it, and that is unlikely to be reversed. So the one-card play, so successful in a unipolar or bipolar world (US-Britain or France, US-Russia), is now looking out-of-date, an anachronism, and a thing of the past unlikely to yield the greatest benefits in the future.
Something that is very strong evidence for this is the state of global alliances. The US has no real Allies, that is, no countries comparable to them in power or wealth whom it treats as equals, and smaller countries which reluctantly hang off their coattails (Britain, Australia) due to literally having no-one else of any power who would ever want to buddy up with them, even if they were a mere kid brother. And the bit players of those alliances live in constant fear and trepidation at the US abandoning them or key aspects of them unilaterally, because they can do so without losing anything substantial.
On the other hand you have a successful European Union of almost that entire Continent, a Russia-China Axis (with a possible third leg in Iran and a sympathetic India and South Africa), several South Pacific countries in close co-operation (Australia, New Zealand, PNG, several Polynesian island nations), and a high degree of unity and cohesion within all of South America and most of Africa (even with over 50 countries).
Globally, a country that has no allies on an equal footing (other than powerless sycophantic idolators), is a rare specimen indeed - in fact there's just one. But as Henry Kissinger eloquently explained - "To be an enemy of America can be dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal".
But I hear you say that the US is the largest economy in the world, so why would it need allies? Factually that's wrong. The EU has a 10% larger economy, and China alone is 20% larger.
Nothing says "yielding the greatest benefits [of] the future" like putting your whole stock in neo-fascist police-states like China, Russia, Iran... Enjoy the nuclear winter.
I think the Korean War showed the limits of American power, and the Vietnam War confirmed it. Those wars had their proxy aspects, demonstrating the world was already multi-polar. America can overwhelm small adversaries like Grenada, Panama, and barely Iraq. America could not prevail in a remolding of Afghanistan because too many in Pakistan and the Islamic world in general would not accept that. So I don't get the exaggeration of American power. There's too much history that shows its limits.
It is not the Anglosphere. It's the Talmudsphere.
An honest American. Wish more Yanks were more level headed.
"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.” - Winston Churchill.
Winston Churchill was right. The war in Iraq was a very costly mistake. Saudi extremist blew up the the twin towers & managed to target the Pentagon. Do not forget the warnings of Alber Einstein. Proxy wars may end in unexpected outcomes.
John Kirby says a cease-fire is BAD. For those whose English language skills are not so good, John Kirby says the United States does NOT want peace between Ukraine and Russia.
I like your reply !! Very true !!!