MPC Time Stretch VS Warping Audio Which one is better for sampling?
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In this video, we go over some sampling techniques on the mpc live 2 and mpc one or mpc x as I work with sampling these are some tools i use to match the sample chops to the session bpm. I use a combination of Warp audio and timestretch on the mpc to control the pitch and timing of my samples, i like to warp my audio as i am working on my sampled bassed beat then when i am ready to comit to the tempo i will go ahead and time stretch my audio in the sample editor on the mpc.
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Time Stamps:
0:00 - Intro
2:45 - Warping Audio on MPC
6:18 - my workflow
7:00 - Timestretch in MPC
MPC Time Stretch VS Warping Audio Which one is better for sampling?
MPC Time Stretch VS Warping Audio Which one is better for sampling?
MPC Time Stretch VS Warping Audio Which one is better for sampling?
MPC Time Stretch VS Warping Audio Which one is better for sampling?
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You literally just solved the problem I’ve been dealing with for weeks in 5 minutes. Thank you
I've been making music for 30 years. I'm new to the MPC One though (old 2000 user). You're the best MPC tuber by far.
Once you time stretch, you can warp again to fine tune a bit without the degradation. Great tip.
That’s awesome brother, I didn’t think about doing that as an extension. Thank you for sharing his input
Really how so?
cool idea, i never thought of that
@ timestrectch it then put warp on the timestretched sample
Interesting. If after time stretching both sample and project are running at the same rate what extra sauce will warping do?
Hey @Malo I have a tip to solve the problem of your audio having Artifacts when you warp it and change the tempo: after you find the tempo of your sample, turn off the "BPM SYNC" button on the far right side. When you do this you only have to adjust the "Stretch" value up or down depending on how fast or slow you want to speed up the tempo. No more artifacts and it allows you to have more flexibility with the tempo. HOPE THIS HELPS EVERYONE!!
Oh!!!!!! Man, I need to try this. THABK YOU so much for taking the time and sharing this with us. 🫡
@@malobeats Absolutely! It's not fool proof and there are times where with certain audio there's some artifacting but I've had some success with it after a friend showed me! Hopefully you find some use for it!
Just tried this now. Goated!!!
Yes, Not fool proof
Hey just want to say thank you for making these videos... your videos are very informative and helpful... easy to follow and well put together... keep up the good work my man
Keep pushing, always an inspiration
The information here is what I've been searching for. Just starting in the MPC workflow and I was struggling getting drum breaks in time with the rest of my session. Your explanation of TS v Warp and showing how they were used answered my questions on my own sessions, thank you!
Man, thank you so much for taking the time and giving me this feedback. It really means a lot and it also helps out. Nothing but love and blessings to you.
Man big fan of the channel love the information you continuously share
Top notch video Malo. The sound is undeniably different, thanks for sharing.
I enjoy watching your videos. Great content!
Warp or time stretch drum breaks ? Patch phrase them ! Patch phrase can sound even better because it plays each drum hit at the original speed, just spacing each hit (=each chop) to match the tempo. No audio stretching means no degradation or artifact even with drastic bpm change. Note : works on most drum breaks, but not all. If you have a long tail (noise, reverb) between the hits, it will sound choppy. Patch phrase is an often forgotten feature, absent on the 2000 XL I think, but present on the 1000 and later.
Can that be done on the one?
@@SMEL Sure. After chopping your sample on the transients (manually or by using “threshold”), press shift and “convert”. Then, instead of “new drum program”, select “patch phrase”. This will create a new sample with the letters “pp” appended to its name, which will play based on the tempo of your sequence.
@@kernelpaniiic i used to patch phrase alot more on the 5000 and 2500.
For transient rich loops slicing is still the best “time stretch” algorithm. Patch phrase is slicing so yes fully agree. Time stretch is more for pads, Drones ie long samples without transients. Also a great secret, slice your favourite crate digging drumloops and replace the sounds with your own selection er voila, timing and feel of the original but no copyright because you changed the samples. I love slicing lol.
Yup. I use patched phrases a lot coming from a 1k/25k
This helps a lot! Thanks!
Saving this one!!!!
Thanks for this one. I have been messing with time stretching a bit but you explained few bits I didn't know about. 👍
I’m glad it was helpful, Timestretch has been awesome whenever we need to manipulate the timing.
Thank you for the info.💪🏾
Very interesting! Thanks Malo!
Thank you bro very helpful
Great explainer, as ever. Thanks.
Awesome lesson as always, Malo!
Hey thank you so much. This really means a lot. I appreciate you taking the time to share this with me.
Thank you for these videos,it help a lot to mpc beginers
you’re very knowledgeable, this was a solid tutorial
Thank you for this tutorial Malo! I now see the difference between TS and Warp. It brings me back to something a friend of mine said: Commit to your ideas, and you'll be able to flesh them out better.
TS requires you to commit to it, and in return, it gives you a more useable version of what you just warped.
Great video homie! Very informative 🙏🏾👊🏾🙏🏾👊🏾
Hey Elbow, I appreciate you taking the time and dropping by, this means a lot coming from you. Much love to you brotha 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 blessings
I like it king this is gonna help me big time 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾💥💥
Great video, Malo. I enjoyed how you A/B compared the two results, it allows the audience to hear the difference between techniques clearly. I think once a person grasps which approach works best in what scenarios, they're then able to better discern how to move forward in the process. This is another shining example of how unique the tools at our disposal truly are. Much love to you and the fam.
Absolutely, thank you brother I appreciate you taking the time to watch the video. I didn’t really notice much of a difference till I started exploring both of them together and then I heard how big of a difference it was which was very helpful and my workflow.
@@malobeats The exploration element definitely aids us in shedding light on the many features available for use. The video you did on vintage modes shed similar light on different approaches to achieve a specific outcome. I think what I enjoy most about things like this is, it allows for individuals to really dive into crafting their own unique sound.
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Thanks a lot !!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Very helpful. Thanks!!
Officially a subscriber…you maybe the only producer that makes it easy seem less but you are getting right to the point. Do you offer live classes? Let me know
Thx now it’s super clear to me … finally !
Thank you soooo much
New MPC One user here and your videos have been a godsend, bro! Constantly learning from you and having a blast the whole time.
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Your videos are fantastic
Dope video bro. Cool tips
Gratitude 🤝🏾... nice work around!!!
Hey brother thank you so much for dropping by, I’m glad it was helpful
Yoooooooo!!!!!!! I didn’t know that you could do this with time stretch!!!!!!! Thanks for doing this video. Learned something new!!!! Thanks again!!!!
Hey brother, I’m glad you’re able to check out the video and pick up something from it. I appreciate you dropping by sharing your feedback
thanks for this, i couldn't figure out why the bpm was off in the samples, this helped with the 1 bar.
Damn I’m still new to my MPC Live 2 and MPC in general so I only knew about warping. Thanks for sharing this!!!!!
I’m glad you were able to watch this video since there is quite a difference between warp and Timestretch.
Thx 👍
thx bro
It wasn’t confusing at all.😁
I appreciate the demo! 💯🔥
Thank you so much for the feedback it really means a lot, and also thank you for taking the time and watching the video. Blessings to you brother
That's that Old school workflow right there
Boom great topic. I try my hardest to not use either but when I have to, I'm with you. keep it up bro.
Hey Elliot, same here if I could prevent using it even better but when I have to time stretch is a way to go.
@@malobeats agreed
Thank you! The sound of the warp was bugging me, especially with the way I get carried away with twisting up my samples 🙄 thanks for explaining this!!!
Good video I might just time stretch then warp for now on I just got me a mpc one like a week ago.
I’m relatively new to the MPC and your videos are a HUGE help! My question is if you have a melodic sample and you want to tune it let’s say down 2 semitones. Do I then time stretch after I tune it down? Because that changes the BPM of the original sample if I’m not mistaken so I would want to then timestretch the “tuned” sample if that makes any sense at all haha. Thanks again for all your videos and keep up the great work! Inspiring!
Awesome video thanks. Definitely very useful. How do you make the sample loop inside the sample editor?
Dope video bro, are you using Rode Videomic Go 2by any chance? What mic
thx
Time Streatching is just more musical. Great video.
This is crazy I've NEVER time stretched a thing in my MPC... I though that WARP was the time stretching, VERY helpful
I thought the same thing! Thought that was just AKAI’s terminology for it… recently coming from a 100% Elektron background I’m still getting used to the differences.
@@ryanhursh6322 wow, I recently my attention have gone to Elektron for the Digitone & Analog Heat any experience in those?
@@DaBlackMicTV For sure do. I have owned every machine Elektron has released aside from the Sid Station and the Analog Heat. Currently using Octatrack, Digitakt and Analog Four from their offerings. I traded my Digitone for a Mopho 4X a couple weeks ago.
Digitone was the foundation of all the music I have made since it’s release, but I recently just became really annoyed by its sound. Elektron has me hooked on workflow but never are they my favorite sounding machines. Recently I’ve just got to a point where I just could not stand the Digitone’s sharp nature. Sometimes there is so much required to tame the harshness that you completely lose the sound you needed/wanted in the moment. I felt like it was often leaving ringing in my ears after long sessions with headphones… somehow there was always a frequency in there I couldn’t tame. It is A GREAT BOX… very capable and Elektron’s workflow is top notch in my opinion, but sound is very personal and I had to let it go.
What I would say to anyone new to Elektron is… the machines are often deep and always capable, but not complex. They get a bad wrap for being menu diving machines and that’s just not true… the various screens are far more akin to tabs in a browser window. You want LFOs, press the LFO button… it’s all uniformly laid out and quickly accessible.
Certain parameters require a shift command or can be in a funny place, but generally not the case. Octatrack more so since it’s an old machine with a completely different structure. The truth is, the Analog Four is the most complicated. Still nicely laid out and accessible, but the amount of parameters is often overwhelming.
Anyway, Digitone is a great place to start with Elektron (though Digitakt is even easier). Don’t worry, have fun and there are LOADS of excellent tutorials to get you going. I learned everything from UA-cam and I’d consider myself pretty close to a power user… though there are def many who REALLY REALLY know the machines.
Have fun!
They are basically the same thing except warping is supposed to be a live performance feature, just like the difference between a looper and a sequencer
Awesome
Ay Malo my man love your content, thank you for all the work u put into these videos brotha. Question for ya, when I extract the sample to back it up before time stretch, all the slice info is lost! It's just one big sample without any chops. Any way to fix this ? Thanks again !
Really enjoying your video!! Thank you for sharing. So when using a sample, lets say you want to use a vocal sample with multiple slices, would you time stretch the entire sample and then make your slices and assign them to pads? Also, on another note, I'm trying to figure out how to sample chromatically without time speeding up the higher you go on the chromatic scale, any idea? Do you already have a video on this?
Because of u I now time stretch.
Dope vid, where can we get those drum breaks from?
I actually use match bpm after you find the bpm of the sample, i was curious to see why you didn't try that way, love your videos btw
Great video! Which one or what would you recommend me using to change the bpm up or down on songs that were made with samples of my own instruments into the MPC? Because even after having the Live and since it first came out to now using the Live 2, the terminology and functins still confuse me a bit (version 2.10.1). And thanks for any help in advance! Subscribed!
Thanks for the tip. Do you do the TS before or after you chop?
Great Video as always. I have a audio track that's a lead vocal that I need to slow down to match my beat,and I can't get the warp or time stretch to enable when I go to push on the screen for it,can you only warp and time stretch samples and not an audio track? Thanks man killer channel!
I use time stretching because I'm always sampling and discovered in the first month that warpping sounds funny, I only discovered time stretching when sampling and realized that the BPM and pitch can be changed without degrading the audio and then after the 2.10 update where it detects the key and tempo together it really became a must use
This is such a great observation, I just did a video comparing war body over time stretch and I definitely agree, or body is very funky and the grades the sound quality by a lot. Timestretch sounds so much better.
Thanks for confirming what i suspected. Warp is whack in comparison to time stretch
As a Maschine user also I’m going to use my Maschine + for time stretching into my Live II when it’s feasible. That and note repeat for trap hi hats are what’s keeping me holding on to my+ as I’m getting better in my MPC
I´m user of maschine and mpc live, from my point of view both are beastly machines but each one has slight differences and that may make you like one or the other more, mpc is my fetish but due to differences in the workflow I prefer maschine, learn to use both and you will never get bored by having to use only one machine and if you connect maschine to a mac/pc the fun multiplies.
That's me a little confused but have to keep watching this tutorial to understand it i guess thanks for the content appreciated you for taking time to do it ⚜👍🏼🙏
Hey brother, I really appreciate you taking the time and sharing this feedback. Please feel free to reach out if you’re still a bit confused with this since it could be a bit confusing. Much love and blessings
Thanks bro sure will
Dope as always 💯👌
Quick question, can you drag and drop samples (drums) directly into pads or do you have to create a program everytime. New to MPC world 100% bc of pads however the workflow seems to be cumbersome.
Maybe I should start with MPC studio.
Yeah.. you can drag and drop to pads. If you put 16 sounds In a folder in your desktop, drag and drop it to the first pad on the Mpc and it will fill all sixteen pads. They will line up in the same order you put them in inside the folder. That’s how I make all my drum kits and keep them organized.
I used Warp today on a Horn sample. I need to make a joint where I use Timestretch. It looks like fun
Also you can change the formant to help with the degradation
I use warp if I’m controller mode and connected to the computer, I just make sure that Audio warp setting is on Elastique Pro. If I’m in standalone mode time stretch for the win.
Patched phrases are another option often overlooked.
Thank you! This is one of the first things that I was curious about, as the Fantom still does not have time-stretching.
Fantom was a Dud.
@@user-tl6en9vq5x While I don't necessarily agree that it was a dud, I completely understand the statement. Roland definitely screwed the pooch in a lot of areas. It really casts a shadow over what they actually got right.
The real problem with the Fantom is that it is no longer worth the price, with everything else out there, and what it could do. Audio production equipment is at a peak, so the Fantom no longer stands out as the powerhouse it once was... especially when it still lacks some of the basics. It is getting better, but they also failed on the pads, which are old SP404 pads. The pads also function independently of the keyboard, so you can't use them in a project, unless you are recording live on another device. The workaround is programming samples to the keys, but then there is no time stretching, so you have to figure it out and hope that it fits. Shameful.
@@VIRALBEATS360 well Akai about to drop their Akai Standalone Keyboard. It will be everything the Fantom should’ve been and more. The Fantom X6 still the best in my opinion.
@@user-tl6en9vq5x The biggest insult was taking away what used to exist in the X6. Absolutely no videos saying it wasn't possible until just last month. That is because in 3 years and 3 major updates (including to the sampler), still no time stretching.
@@VIRALBEATS360 this may sound crazy but I get more satisfaction in using the Roland Verselab.
Hi, great tutorial, thanks a lot for it. I'm new to MPC and can't figure out one thing that should be easy. I would like the loop playback speed to be in sync with the BPM of the project, as you show in the video. But I don't want the sample to warp, I just want it to speed up or slow down the old-school way - i.e. the pitch changes with the speed, like when you speed up a tape. How to do that? Can you give me some advice please?
Time stretch is the best imo cuz it doesn’t fuck up the sample!!!
Yo malo ... Dude can you do a video on recording externally to a track? Like adding scratches or vocals or piano . And how i would use that with song mode. Tried adding vocals the other day and got stuck
song mode is a joke. don't use it
You do know that time stretching, put stress on your CPU? Great video.
i’m a DAW person, but i’ve really wanted the hardware and workflow of the MPC to switch things up when i want to… the issue i have with MPC is that i don’t find the time-stretching on MPC beats (no pun intended) what i have with serato sample-and i time-stretch often. been watching all ur vids to help me decide tho, appreciate the insight
Serato's algorithm is brilliant, especially with pitch n' time in DJ pro
Honestly nothing beats the Ableton Push 3 when it comes to warping and time stretching
What headphones do you use ?
hi, is it possible when you download a loop in the MPC to have as in Maschine MK3 the possibility of having the options "loop" (to play the entire loop) and "Gate" (which for example in a loop of Drum for example allows me to select and keep only the kick while silencing the other sounds of the loop)?
Seems the key difference is that Time stretch does the resampling, which allows it to use a more cpu-intensive algorithm which would otherwise struggle in real time. As someone more accustomed to DAW workflow, I'd say both approaches have one flaw, as they don't allow you to to drill down into a sample and stretch different slices at different ratios. Is there a way to do something like that on an MPC, to basically use slice markers as anchor points and keep everything locked to a grid?
I'm wondering the exact same thing
Chop to transients and create a program with the midi events
Hey man do you still warp the sample before you time stretch. Also when applying it to samples do you timestretch before you chop the samples ? Or chop the samples then time stretch ?
Hey brother, it took me a few times to understand your question and I had to reread it since there’s some key points that you’ve mentioned here. There really is no rule to this method but I usually would say Timestretch then warp but I think you have something going on with this question and I really want to explore those different options you mentioned because they might have an advantage doing it the way you were saying. Overall, I would Timestretch then I would go for some chopping
@malobeats is there a way you could show me how to do this if I have MPC mpk mini2? Cause I’m the MOC beats DAW it’s hard to find the functions, could. You help ?
🤔🤔🤔 good info! i warp a lot, the proTen warp option helps a lot, but if it slows down too much, eventually it degrades it. i wonder how slow can i timestretch before it starts to mess up. interesting!
The reason it degrades is because. There isn’t enough digital information to fill those spaces… you can get a little more out if you play with pitch OR add some tail to certain things
Which one is better for chops?
What do u do if you chop a melody sample and make beat but want to change tempo of the song? Do u have to time stretch each chop?
Warping only gets messy when you go crazy with the numbers.
Big bro u can time stretch and if u don’t like it undo it and wala!!! No need to duplicate
Can I use time stretch if I slice my samples? Because when I do slice my sample I can't find the time stretch option after I hit the process button..
I actually slow down or speed up my samples in traktor then load them into mpc
Great video. question i have tried to use the time stretch option on my mpc one but its greyed out and dosent let me use it. Do you why this might be happening?
Hey brother, I’m glad you brought this up since I’ve been getting the same question multiple times. By any chance do you have Instagram or an email I’d be more than happy to do my best to help out by sending you a video from my end. If so shoot me a DM and I would love to see if I can help out in anyway
Lets say you sampled a 5 bar and two beat sample. Is there an automated way to get that down to, say, 4 bars? Does the Time Stretch feature work this way? Would I have to math it out?
When I use time stretch it makes my sample faster even though I’ve set the tempo lower. Any idea why?
Whats up, where are you getting those dope samples
Hey brother, I highly appreciate you. I have a playlist on my UA-cam where I have a few of my sample collections I’ll go ahead and share it with you right now.
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MALO I meant your expansion packs I'm new to the mpc I was a FL studio guy
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I’ve been waiting for this video to find me for too long. Now that, thats out of the way I was hoping that you’ve been asked by your followers about TS’ing one shots on key groups? When I extract samples and lay them in a key group the notes never match up when it comes to the bpm on each note. Why is this?
Question: Why warp at all? Why not simply time stretch?
Are you on 2.10.1? I'm not aware of a higher version but I don't awe time stretch when I hit process in the sample editor
Hey Alexander, that’s interesting because Timestretch has always been there and it should be there. When you get a chance send me a DM on Instagram maybe I can help if possible
@@malobeats Now I've got it! was actually a weird bug. After a restart it two time stretch is now showing up.
@@malobeats I’m havin the same issue, my time stretch is grayed out
i cant really tell by ear, but did timestretch affect the pitch of the drum loop?
Great question Tyler, and no it does not affect the pitch it does it’s best to stretch the audio as natural as possible
I rewatched and now I’m confused on the second process sound after you copied you said it’s 92 but it’s showing 182? And you kept flowing 😢
On my ipad pro speakers i cant hear a difference. 😂
But thank you for showing the two ways .
Not rockin the One anymore?
is it true that using warp in controller mode is better than standalone?
Yea