I run my Unraid server with a B450 motherboard and a 5600G. In hindsight I should have done with Intel for the quicksync support but it's done well to host my Jellyfin server and do transcoding.
Great info in this vid again. I have been going over a lot of your videos because I'm looking into making a server/nas with 12x 12tb drives and 4 x pci 3 m.2 2tb, My use cases: long term storage, backup family of 6 data from phones and tablets, few vm's, plex, steam cache, downloads and more. I do have a x570 mobo with a 5900x in a box but it doesn't have ecc and uses a lot of power prob. Just finding a board that can handle all that is a little tricky for a decent price with 10gb. Keep up the great work looking forward to all the future videos.
Great video! After the £1300+ NAS it is nice to see some cheaper options. I liked the look of some of the cheap Aliexpress cases until I saw the shipping cost.😢
I would be really interested in a comparison of Intel vs AMD comparison for video transcoding. i know quicksync is king... but what performances can you expect from an AMD CPU? not everyone needs multiple 4k videos being transcoded at all times, so if the AMD CPUs would handle 1 or 2 videos transcoding, then that would open up the choises of CPU for a lot of people...
I wonder too, especially since when there is a need to transcode the video, the audio is often modified as well. So without quick synch but with a much more efficient graphics part, is the transcoding more or less efficient at AMD?
Wow, great timing! I bought a Ugreen dxp4800 plus and have been running with hot temps (don't seem uncommon). I recently got a 15U server rack and might be interested in building a rack mounted server and selling the Ugreen so I'm excited for the video you're planning on doing with the rack server build!!
Chinese trade tariffs for US consumers could be great for us on the other side of the pond. Faced with higher US tariffs and likely lower US demand the Chinese will choose to sell more in Europe, pushing prices down for Europeans / Brits. Thank Trumpy 🎉 !
The Qotom board with Atom C3000 cpu has build in SFF8087 connector that you probably missed so it gives you 4 + 2 on board sata. STH did nice review of it under the name of a Everything Fanless router
STH brought the unit in a case however the CPU motherboard has one major issue. Look at the images and the CPU is on the other side to the ram and SATA, good luck finding a case which allows the fan to be on the underside. The motherboard shown in the video needs the same case as the STH. It's a great motherboard but won't work in any cases I have seen due to the CPU being on the underside.
Do you have any non-Chinese recommendations? I'm worried about having to waste time trying to deal with returns, documentation, and debugging. Willing to pay a couple hundred extra as a premium.
Are any of these capable of gaming like what was shown by Asustor with the Flashstor gen 2 using iscsi at Computex? Would I be able to build an nvme nas capable of gaming for a price competitive with the Flashstor gen2?
If you are getting the N17 please be the canary and put some udimm ecc in and let us know if it works. N17 looks great but if going to drop £300 (2x32gb) on ram want to know its going to work. Thanks for reviews awesome work 😁
What I've learnt from the years of building NAS and homelab, you don't need to go for ITX unless your space is really limited, going MATX or even ATX really remove lots of your problems, like limited SATA, PCIE slot or IO, and remember in a NAS system, most of power consumption are from your HDD, it matters very little your CPU TDP is 15W or 45W. If you worry about the case, most of 8 bay or even some 6 bay NAS cases can support MATX now, and you can just use a mid tower PC case if you don't care about the look.
I totally see your point and agree with pretty much all of it. But this video is for those with less experience who are looking at Mobo/SoC processors for low power use, pre configured for ease and for compact builds. I can definitely agree that if users are ok to venture into MATX and get your hands a little dirty, there are some great choices out there!
@@nascompares As a new NAS builder with less experience, I definitely appreciate how @nascompares tries to simplify the options for new builders. The simplest option seems to be a motherboard + CPU combo in an iTX form factor. Sure you can go separate and bigger, but for most new builders, the combined option in a small form factor will do everything they want to do.
@@nascompares I understand, new users are more comfortable with a SOC ITX mobo, maybe later they can upgrade to something bigger, just remind them MATX or ATX is also a good or even better choice for them later
I have a basic NAS for home use and I am wanting to experiment with Freenas, Proxnox etc, I just bought a Chinese motherboard (C612) with a 14-core (xeon 2680V3) 32Gb of ram and 5 ports the 2.5Gb. I want to learn how to install and configure virtual servers with it
For me it's CW-NAS-ADLN-K N100 purple mobo. I bought it for 148 USD (without VAT) including JONSBO CPU cooller. It has 2xI226-V, 2xminiPCIe 3.0 x1, 1xPCIe 3.0 x4 (yes, real x4), 6xSATA (ASM1160). Suggestion is to add 0.5 mm thermal pad between CPU die and heat spreader. The only question is what PSU to use with this low powered mobo for six 3.5" HDD. I'm thinking about Chinese pico PSU, but they have bad amperage on 5V rail. Six 3.5" HDD can require up to 8A on 5V rail during spin-up.
I just grabbed the other day the n17 with 7840s...building my first Nas for plex in a Jonsbo N2 case...my only worry is that the ram is limited to 4800mhz. If someone would want to use transcoding in plex/jellyfish as AMD is not always supported/for working for now. intel a310 eco from sparkle is a great piece as its low profile and single slot
I have 2 CWWK board reviews in the pipeline (Q679 new version and the i5-12 featured in this vid). Will see if I can stretch the budget to it, but I think we also have the MW-N300-NAS ordered too - so we are in the hole a little (relatively small YT channel), but will definitely look into it bud. Cheers for watching
Tbh, it's mainly because the newer Q670 is still on its way to be shipped to me and I want to see how it fairs. All the ones in this video I have played with already in one shape or form (either just the processor, or the whole kit)
Don't know about rest but 7940hs should, although if it's for jellyfin worth reading the jellyfin hardware recommendations as AMD transcodes seems patchy. Not sure if docs take into account the later APU capabilities, but you may be safer putting in an ARC dGPU
So many strange limitations. Why? B450+APU If you dont want nvme Nas, or Ryzen 3100 or higher with B550 board can deliver you +4 m.2 through bifurcation card - you can use it for nvme Nas or to connect +4 strange adapters for m.2 that you like, 10gbe lan etc. To low power consumption you can play with cpu tdp in BIOS and use picoPSU or HDPLEX. And if you make a little research, you can even use ECC memory
I run my Unraid server with a B450 motherboard and a 5600G. In hindsight I should have done with Intel for the quicksync support but it's done well to host my Jellyfin server and do transcoding.
Great info in this vid again. I have been going over a lot of your videos because I'm looking into making a server/nas with 12x 12tb drives and 4 x pci 3 m.2 2tb, My use cases: long term storage, backup family of 6 data from phones and tablets, few vm's, plex, steam cache, downloads and more. I do have a x570 mobo with a 5900x in a box but it doesn't have ecc and uses a lot of power prob. Just finding a board that can handle all that is a little tricky for a decent price with 10gb. Keep up the great work looking forward to all the future videos.
Great video! After the £1300+ NAS it is nice to see some cheaper options. I liked the look of some of the cheap Aliexpress cases until I saw the shipping cost.😢
I would be really interested in a comparison of Intel vs AMD comparison for video transcoding. i know quicksync is king... but what performances can you expect from an AMD CPU? not everyone needs multiple 4k videos being transcoded at all times, so if the AMD CPUs would handle 1 or 2 videos transcoding, then that would open up the choises of CPU for a lot of people...
I wonder too, especially since when there is a need to transcode the video, the audio is often modified as well. So without quick synch but with a much more efficient graphics part, is the transcoding more or less efficient at AMD?
Wow, great timing! I bought a Ugreen dxp4800 plus and have been running with hot temps (don't seem uncommon). I recently got a 15U server rack and might be interested in building a rack mounted server and selling the Ugreen so I'm excited for the video you're planning on doing with the rack server build!!
Chinese trade tariffs for US consumers could be great for us on the other side of the pond. Faced with higher US tariffs and likely lower US demand the Chinese will choose to sell more in Europe, pushing prices down for Europeans / Brits. Thank Trumpy 🎉 !
Another theory I read: manufacturers could raise the price globally to avoid a huge price increase in the US. Let's hope they go with yours....
@@Lambalex Thats how i think it will go sadly.
@@Lambalex How will that work? The increased prices are paid on import by the importer, not by the manufacturer.
@@Lambalex I think you mean LOWER their prices? 🤔
The Qotom board with Atom C3000 cpu has build in SFF8087 connector that you probably missed so it gives you 4 + 2 on board sata. STH did nice review of it under the name of a Everything Fanless router
STH brought the unit in a case however the CPU motherboard has one major issue. Look at the images and the CPU is on the other side to the ram and SATA, good luck finding a case which allows the fan to be on the underside. The motherboard shown in the video needs the same case as the STH. It's a great motherboard but won't work in any cases I have seen due to the CPU being on the underside.
@johnscabintech it's also in 1U case which has a fan. But sure it requires some tinkering.
Do you have any non-Chinese recommendations? I'm worried about having to waste time trying to deal with returns, documentation, and debugging. Willing to pay a couple hundred extra as a premium.
Question, how do i know what mobos, cpus and hba cards support c states?
Are any of these capable of gaming like what was shown by Asustor with the Flashstor gen 2 using iscsi at Computex?
Would I be able to build an nvme nas capable of gaming for a price competitive with the Flashstor gen2?
With the right software with LUN support, absolutely
If you are getting the N17 please be the canary and put some udimm ecc in and let us know if it works. N17 looks great but if going to drop £300 (2x32gb) on ram want to know its going to work. Thanks for reviews awesome work 😁
What I've learnt from the years of building NAS and homelab, you don't need to go for ITX unless your space is really limited, going MATX or even ATX really remove lots of your problems, like limited SATA, PCIE slot or IO, and remember in a NAS system, most of power consumption are from your HDD, it matters very little your CPU TDP is 15W or 45W.
If you worry about the case, most of 8 bay or even some 6 bay NAS cases can support MATX now, and you can just use a mid tower PC case if you don't care about the look.
I totally see your point and agree with pretty much all of it. But this video is for those with less experience who are looking at Mobo/SoC processors for low power use, pre configured for ease and for compact builds. I can definitely agree that if users are ok to venture into MATX and get your hands a little dirty, there are some great choices out there!
@@nascompares As a new NAS builder with less experience, I definitely appreciate how @nascompares tries to simplify the options for new builders. The simplest option seems to be a motherboard + CPU combo in an iTX form factor. Sure you can go separate and bigger, but for most new builders, the combined option in a small form factor will do everything they want to do.
@@nascompares I understand, new users are more comfortable with a SOC ITX mobo, maybe later they can upgrade to something bigger, just remind them MATX or ATX is also a good or even better choice for them later
I have a basic NAS for home use and I am wanting to experiment with Freenas, Proxnox etc, I just bought a Chinese motherboard (C612) with a 14-core (xeon 2680V3) 32Gb of ram and 5 ports the 2.5Gb.
I want to learn how to install and configure virtual servers with it
For me it's CW-NAS-ADLN-K N100 purple mobo. I bought it for 148 USD (without VAT) including JONSBO CPU cooller. It has 2xI226-V, 2xminiPCIe 3.0 x1, 1xPCIe 3.0 x4 (yes, real x4), 6xSATA (ASM1160). Suggestion is to add 0.5 mm thermal pad between CPU die and heat spreader. The only question is what PSU to use with this low powered mobo for six 3.5" HDD. I'm thinking about Chinese pico PSU, but they have bad amperage on 5V rail. Six 3.5" HDD can require up to 8A on 5V rail during spin-up.
I just grabbed the other day the n17 with 7840s...building my first Nas for plex in a Jonsbo N2 case...my only worry is that the ram is limited to 4800mhz. If someone would want to use transcoding in plex/jellyfish as AMD is not always supported/for working for now. intel a310 eco from sparkle is a great piece as its low profile and single slot
Jellyfin GPU transcoding work really fine with 9 5900hx and 64Go DDR4 3200mhz, with embeded amd gpu
As an idea for a future video, look into RockStor OS and compare it against OMV, specifically focussing on the use of encrypted BTRFS partitions.
Great video! Can you review the CWWK N100 purple board? I'm curious because it uses ASM1166 controller instead of the more common JMB585 controller.
I have 2 CWWK board reviews in the pipeline (Q679 new version and the i5-12 featured in this vid). Will see if I can stretch the budget to it, but I think we also have the MW-N300-NAS ordered too - so we are in the hole a little (relatively small YT channel), but will definitely look into it bud. Cheers for watching
I ordered it and hope it’s great.
Why not the q670 white? Just came out and looks very promising. Also, would love if aspm c-states was discussed more here.
Tbh, it's mainly because the newer Q670 is still on its way to be shipped to me and I want to see how it fairs. All the ones in this video I have played with already in one shape or form (either just the processor, or the whole kit)
N305 version is nowhere to be found now. Its not available or its at least double the price of N100
Honestly I think you've beat the low DIY end to death,. What are the high end DIY options?
How high ?
Completely agree, some mATX or higher end options would be nice at double the price range
Any of them have AV1 encoding?
Don't know about rest but 7940hs should, although if it's for jellyfin worth reading the jellyfin hardware recommendations as AMD transcodes seems patchy. Not sure if docs take into account the later APU capabilities, but you may be safer putting in an ARC dGPU
Crazy town, banana pants is my new go to saying for anything awesome from now on! Let's get that to go covid viral everyone!
I don't think you look ill, but I also don't think Bananaman has aged well. Does the mask still fit?
Been suuuuper sick of late. Cold etc. better now... ish
Is this just an coincidence that he got the same background as Alex on Autos? 😂
Be interested to see what you can when buying from UK retailers.
So many strange limitations. Why? B450+APU If you dont want nvme Nas, or Ryzen 3100 or higher with B550 board can deliver you +4 m.2 through bifurcation card - you can use it for nvme Nas or to connect +4 strange adapters for m.2 that you like, 10gbe lan etc. To low power consumption you can play with cpu tdp in BIOS and use picoPSU or HDPLEX. And if you make a little research, you can even use ECC memory
overpriced, underpowered, too lacking in resources
Ouch!
So, give us cheap, powerful and full of resources variant you know about.