I would like a ATX board with every PCIe lane assigned to PCIe slots so I can choose what I want to do with it, no M.2 etc. The state of affairs is lame. You can get used 100Gb nics for under $150 off ebay and used Cisco 100Gb switches for under $400 but want a PCIe board with a bunch of lanes.. nope. I miss the days of the X58, X99 and X299. EDIT: The Threadripper boards are too much $$ and beyond what I consider high end consumer.
@@Erikaat_ I looked at that stuff on ebay about a year ago and recall the pricing being pretty good. But if i filter for USA only the deals seem to be gone unless I just cannot find decent 2U chassis servers. Gen 3 PCIe is fine but with modern AM5 ect one must use Gen 4 with fewer lanes with Gen 4 HBA and NIC adapters.
I picked up a new TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI board on Amazon for $129 during Black Friday. Four NVMe slots (1 Gen5, 2 Gen4 and 1 Gen3, all x4.). You can run the Gen3 slot at x2 and still use all 4 SATA ports. It also supports x4/x4/x4/x4 bifrucation on the main PCIe Gen5 slot, plus 2 Gen4 x4 slots. Absolute beast.
Thanks for putting this video together. I’m a newbie to NAS and have been doing research for hours upon hours. All I want is a compact 8-bay NAS that would be used for video storage and very little 4K video playback (Jellyfin) and I think the IMB-X1314 would be great for my situation. Now to find a good case!
I would suggest, if you're looking at used, take a look at some of the Supermicro server boards. You can go older E-xxxx Xeon support, or for not even a lot more money you can find Xeon Scalable Gen 1 (SkyLake) or Gen 2 support. These boards rock a ton of PCIe, and often have up to 4 10GbE ports and almost all of them (except the workstation boards for some models) have ipmi dedicated 1GbE ports for remote management. And you can get a complete box, with 12 SAS3 hot-swappable bays, Redundant PSU's and even the CPU and memory (often 128GB ECC) for around $1500. Hard to beat, and the noise isn't terrible, just not deskside quiet. With 12 drives (four u.2 NVMe) these pull about 100W at idle.
That MSI B550 motherboard is $99 on sale on amazon. Seriously debating if I should get it now. It would be a great upgrade for me, even for normal PC, not just NAS.
@@IndustrialGabber it’s an awesome board, got mine to replace a MS-01. I’m running a 14700 with 192GB RAM on this board. Got a m.2 to 6 SATA adapter, based on ASM1166 which seems very well buit and now my system has 14 SATA ports and PCIe 3.0 slots free for some Optane drives.
Great video. good info. I wanted ri add that most non apu AM4 cpu's support ecc memory, not all motherboards do. And even in motherboards say they support it, it does not mean it will post actual errors to the OS. I tested 4 motherboard of 3 different brands and only an Asus motherboad really posted errors. When using ecc with AM4 be sure to test your ecc memory to see of you really see t he actual errors with memtest. If not, you have no idea if it works, eventhough it is enabled. Am4 and ecc is a hell.
I am trying to part out an AM5 / ECC NAS. I really like the SilverStone CS382, but it's mATX only, and looking for mATX boards sucks. The perfect board would be an AM5 board with true ECC support (e.g., it actually reports errors like it's supposed to; some motherboards claim ECC support but this doesn't happen on them), three PCIe slots (one for an Intel Arc A310 for QuickSync, one for a LSI SAS HBA, and one for a high speed NIC) but ideally also with a couple M.2 slots for the OS. Finding a motherboard that fits all this is hard. In a perfect world it'd have IPMI too, but even server boards don't seem to tick all the boxes I want.
@@akirafan28 Yup. That was the server board I was thinking of. I could maybe get by with it , but it's a pricey board to be making compromises with. I think it would fit my needs if i went with the 2 M.2 version and used a 10 GB SFP+ NIC (I'd rather have SFP+ for 10 Gbps, l10 Gbps copper gets hot), but I can't help but feel like I'd be giving up SOMETHING, I just can't put my finger on what.
@praetorxyn Which PCIe slot does the LSI sas hba require? I tried to find a 10Gb sfp+ nic for 1x PCIe slot but could only find one for copper wire (with some additional use of a dremel).
@@akirafan28 I think I heard Wendell explain that the LSI SAS cards are x8, but that they would work at a reduced bandwidth in a x4 slot, and even a 25 Gbps NIC would not be bottlenecked by a x4 slot.
Comparing the spec sheet I see in my browser to the one you scroll through in the video, it seems you see a different version of the webpage. Maybe that’s due to time of recording, or maybe different regions get different specs.
Tbh, it might be because I searched model IDs/part numbers and might be a spec revision that wasn't updated. If it isn't an ECC Mobo, apologies! Investigating
-compared to the antiquated 8 slot ds1821+ Q2 2021 cpu ,its well over twice as fast at single threading but you can under clock it if you really want to compare- AMD Ryzen 3 3200G £49, MSI PRO B550M-VC WiFi ProSeries Micro-Atx Motherboard with x8 sata ports, x4 pciE slots £107, PCIe 3.0 x1 to 5GbE adapter (WP-NA5000) Realtek RTL8126 $29.99, WisdPi USB 3.2 to 5GbE Adapter (WP-UT5) Realtek RTL8157 £45, Fractal Design Node 804 £99, a cheap pi Zero2W Pi Kvm brand new & available now & better priced than all your low to high end NAS builds
@akirafan28 I heard regular am5 ryzen ecc are not fully supported / depends on how board manufacturer implement it And ryzen didn't have 4 cores offer except hugely cut off 8300G , and eypc have 4124p for basic function server rig . With the long living am5 socket , ecc support , pcie bifurcation and drop in upgrade it looks a decent mini server 🤔
I've been a subscriber for long time and thinking of upgrading my NAS? I've got an old skool HP ProLiant N40L, is there any worth in upgrading the components? Can they even be upgraded? Seems a perfectly good 4-bay NAS to get rid of?
Have a look at hardware haven m.ua-cam.com/video/RY5VR8T0vuU/v-deo.html&pp=ygUOaGFyZHdhcmUgaGF2ZW4%3D but it's a fair bit of work to implement. I feel much the same about my own N40L as it's been part of the family for well over a decade, but realistically it's starting to show its age and it's time to go with one of the options from the flurry of excellent nascompares videos released this week, given that so much of the hp is non standard.
Why don't Chinese manufacturers do a flat pack version of nas case to help lower the cost of shipping it think you would sell more because people are put of by the high cost of shipping.
I’m a simple man. I see a new Nas Compares video, I neglect my responsibilities
mah man🤣
I would like a ATX board with every PCIe lane assigned to PCIe slots so I can choose what I want to do with it, no M.2 etc. The state of affairs is lame. You can get used 100Gb nics for under $150 off ebay and used Cisco 100Gb switches for under $400 but want a PCIe board with a bunch of lanes.. nope. I miss the days of the X58, X99 and X299. EDIT: The Threadripper boards are too much $$ and beyond what I consider high end consumer.
Time for Threadripper build 👍
Enterprise SP3 socket hardware is fairly inexpensive for what it is and even the 8-core CPUs have 128 PCIe lanes
Mood Fred mood
@@Erikaat_ I looked at that stuff on ebay about a year ago and recall the pricing being pretty good. But if i filter for USA only the deals seem to be gone unless I just cannot find decent 2U chassis servers. Gen 3 PCIe is fine but with modern AM5 ect one must use Gen 4 with fewer lanes with Gen 4 HBA and NIC adapters.
@@frankwong9486 Thread-ripper price is insane these days. I'd probably get a used Lenovo P620 off ebay if I went that route.
I picked up a new TUF GAMING X670E-PLUS WIFI board on Amazon for $129 during Black Friday. Four NVMe slots (1 Gen5, 2 Gen4 and 1 Gen3, all x4.). You can run the Gen3 slot at x2 and still use all 4 SATA ports. It also supports x4/x4/x4/x4 bifrucation on the main PCIe Gen5 slot, plus 2 Gen4 x4 slots. Absolute beast.
Thanks for putting this video together. I’m a newbie to NAS and have been doing research for hours upon hours. All I want is a compact 8-bay NAS that would be used for video storage and very little 4K video playback (Jellyfin) and I think the IMB-X1314 would be great for my situation. Now to find a good case!
I don't know if you have alresdy considered it, but first case that came to mind is the Fractal Design Nod 804.
@ I haven’t considered it, I really want to find something that’s tower looking, but also gives me access to the drives
@@Scorps151 Another commenter mentioned the Silverstone CS382, which is an 8 bay m-ATX tower case.
I would suggest, if you're looking at used, take a look at some of the Supermicro server boards. You can go older E-xxxx Xeon support, or for not even a lot more money you can find Xeon Scalable Gen 1 (SkyLake) or Gen 2 support. These boards rock a ton of PCIe, and often have up to 4 10GbE ports and almost all of them (except the workstation boards for some models) have ipmi dedicated 1GbE ports for remote management. And you can get a complete box, with 12 SAS3 hot-swappable bays, Redundant PSU's and even the CPU and memory (often 128GB ECC) for around $1500. Hard to beat, and the noise isn't terrible, just not deskside quiet. With 12 drives (four u.2 NVMe) these pull about 100W at idle.
That MSI B550 motherboard is $99 on sale on amazon. Seriously debating if I should get it now. It would be a great upgrade for me, even for normal PC, not just NAS.
ASUS Pro WS W680 ACE
Intel LGA1700 (Core 12, 13 and 14th gen)
DDR5 ECC Support
2 PCIe 5.0 x16 (x16/x0 or x8/x8)
2 PCIe 3.0 x16 (x4 signal)
1 PCIe 3.0 x1
3 M.2 4.0 x4
8 SATA (4 SATA Ports + SlimSAS)
2 Intel 2.5Gb Ethernet
This one is on my shopping list. Especially because of the 2x thunderbolt card option. I need it to finalize my proxmox cluster with 2x MS-01😊
@@IndustrialGabber it’s an awesome board, got mine to replace a MS-01.
I’m running a 14700 with 192GB RAM on this board. Got a m.2 to 6 SATA adapter, based on ASM1166 which seems very well buit and now my system has 14 SATA ports and PCIe 3.0 slots free for some Optane drives.
Great video. good info.
I wanted ri add that most non apu AM4 cpu's support ecc memory, not all motherboards do. And even in motherboards say they support it, it does not mean it will post actual errors to the OS.
I tested 4 motherboard of 3 different brands and only an Asus motherboad really posted errors.
When using ecc with AM4 be sure to test your ecc memory to see of you really see t he actual errors with memtest. If not, you have no idea if it works, eventhough it is enabled.
Am4 and ecc is a hell.
Been pretty happy with my Q670 for my first build!
I am trying to part out an AM5 / ECC NAS. I really like the SilverStone CS382, but it's mATX only, and looking for mATX boards sucks. The perfect board would be an AM5 board with true ECC support (e.g., it actually reports errors like it's supposed to; some motherboards claim ECC support but this doesn't happen on them), three PCIe slots (one for an Intel Arc A310 for QuickSync, one for a LSI SAS HBA, and one for a high speed NIC) but ideally also with a couple M.2 slots for the OS. Finding a motherboard that fits all this is hard. In a perfect world it'd have IPMI too, but even server boards don't seem to tick all the boxes I want.
Have you looked at the Asrock rack B650D4U/B650D4U3 boards? Unfortunately they either miss a second m.2 slot or 10Gb port.
@@akirafan28 Yup. That was the server board I was thinking of.
I could maybe get by with it , but it's a pricey board to be making compromises with.
I think it would fit my needs if i went with the 2 M.2 version and used a 10 GB SFP+ NIC (I'd rather have SFP+ for 10 Gbps, l10 Gbps copper gets hot), but I can't help but feel like I'd be giving up SOMETHING, I just can't put my finger on what.
@praetorxyn Which PCIe slot does the LSI sas hba require? I tried to find a 10Gb sfp+ nic for 1x PCIe slot but could only find one for copper wire (with some additional use of a dremel).
@@akirafan28 I think I heard Wendell explain that the LSI SAS cards are x8, but that they would work at a reduced bandwidth in a x4 slot, and even a 25 Gbps NIC would not be bottlenecked by a x4 slot.
The Z980 Nova WiFi spec page specifically states it supports non-ECC memory, and ends there.
Comparing the spec sheet I see in my browser to the one you scroll through in the video, it seems you see a different version of the webpage. Maybe that’s due to time of recording, or maybe different regions get different specs.
Tbh, it might be because I searched model IDs/part numbers and might be a spec revision that wasn't updated. If it isn't an ECC Mobo, apologies! Investigating
Thats my size! Thank you!
1:20 mini und micro verwechselt?
Gigabyte MC12-LE0 or the MC13 version? At least it is more server grade than rhe gaming boards...
-compared to the antiquated 8 slot ds1821+ Q2 2021 cpu ,its well over twice as fast at single threading but you can under clock it if you really want to compare- AMD Ryzen 3 3200G £49, MSI PRO B550M-VC WiFi ProSeries Micro-Atx Motherboard with x8 sata ports, x4 pciE slots £107, PCIe 3.0 x1 to 5GbE adapter (WP-NA5000) Realtek RTL8126 $29.99, WisdPi USB 3.2 to 5GbE Adapter (WP-UT5) Realtek RTL8157 £45, Fractal Design Node 804 £99, a cheap pi Zero2W Pi Kvm
brand new & available now & better priced than all your low to high end NAS builds
How about am5 epyc processor which also have ecc support ?
Don't they all do that?
@akirafan28 I heard regular am5 ryzen ecc are not fully supported / depends on how board manufacturer implement it
And ryzen didn't have 4 cores offer except hugely cut off 8300G , and eypc have 4124p for basic function server rig . With the long living am5 socket , ecc support , pcie bifurcation and drop in upgrade it looks a decent mini server 🤔
This video should have come out before Black Friday 😅
Sorry bud! I'm swamped.
wery good start ,
I've been a subscriber for long time and thinking of upgrading my NAS? I've got an old skool HP ProLiant N40L, is there any worth in upgrading the components? Can they even be upgraded? Seems a perfectly good 4-bay NAS to get rid of?
Have a look at hardware haven m.ua-cam.com/video/RY5VR8T0vuU/v-deo.html&pp=ygUOaGFyZHdhcmUgaGF2ZW4%3D but it's a fair bit of work to implement. I feel much the same about my own N40L as it's been part of the family for well over a decade, but realistically it's starting to show its age and it's time to go with one of the options from the flurry of excellent nascompares videos released this week, given that so much of the hp is non standard.
No asrock taichi lite?
your mic is broken ?
Why don't Chinese manufacturers do a flat pack version of nas case to help lower the cost of shipping it think you would sell more because people are put of by the high cost of shipping.
Bonkers
Is this guy allergic to mainstream Ryzen.
I think he gravitates to Intel because that’s what all the cheap Chinese miniITX boards are.
just tell me, why do you neewd 2 eth port. I watn a mobo weith one etzhernet port. i dont care