I'm doing an EJ20 swap and also using the same starter. I filed the holes and installed last night and had same issue you first had. I was stumped. Stumbled across this today and it made so much sense! Filed a little more, installed noticeably better and it works now! Thank you for posting this!
Thanks for the support! I’m glad I could help. Keep a heads up, another video should be coming out in the next few weeks for battery relocate and finishing the frunk. Good luck with your project!
Like you, I've read about this mod but I've never actually seen it done. Thanks for posting this and showing how easy it is. I'll add it to my to do list!
@@RatchetMotors Swap done, and I can't say thanks enough for this one! The difference is night and day, I can only imagine your higher compression being even more so. Once the rim boss of the starter fit into the transaxle, I bolted it up without issue. First press of the start button absolutely floored me, perfect engagement to the flywheel and off she went! I'm also running a Microsquirt ECU, but being N/A there's not much I can beg from you on maps. ;)
Got my used bosch starter. Its definitely the automatic transmission starter. And the bosch number other motor is 0 001 121. The 121 is the critical number. 0 001 is bosch's designation for starter motors. 121 is the series. I ebayed a used one. I did notice you showed the holes being enlarged towards the center , but mine needed to move towards the center and to the side. I also had to grind some of the ear of the starter off on the top hole to clear a top ridge of the transmission.
That’s great that you got it to work! Sorry if the video didn’t show everything exactly, there was a lot of grind and check so I may have not captured it all. Either way, congratulations!
@@matejz8866 the starter has a planetary gear reduction, so it doesn't crank super fast... but it has a ton of torque. The stock starter would bog down if I pumped a bunch of gas into it from the carbs. This one cranks about the same speed, but there is not stopping or slowing it.
I believe it comes down to using the Type 1 transaxle and Type 1 flywheel tooth pattern. If you're using those, it SHOULD work. I'm really curious so let me know what you end up doing! Best of luck!
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So I've been wanting to do this project and I finally am ready. Looking at the starter you used, it is for a automatic VW 1.9. I have read that the preferred 1.9 starter is for a manual application. Did you look into this before you did our project? if so what was your conclusion. Thanks again for posting this.
Thanks for the support! As wrong as it sounds, you want the automatic starter. I did a lot of research on all the forums and I think you need the automatic because it has the right tooth count AND the right throw (how much the gear travels in and out). It is the Bosch SR0407X (9 teeth). Good luck!
@@RatchetMotors I cant thank you enough for documenting this. It had to be nearly impossible for you to do the first time. I respect your courage. I'm gonna get my starter ordered and maybe Ill do a video too. I'm going to be installing on a 1600 air-cooled, so it will be a little different video. Thanks again
I’m just glad you found it useful! I did not enjoy buying a new starter just to modify it but luckily everything worked out as planned and I’m hyped with the results. Good luck my friend! Also you can consider the Duralast unit as a cheap alternate to the Bosch, both part numbers are linked in the description. You can also check Rockauto.com for other alternate manufacturers and part numbers.
I did a swap today on my 1973 VW Super Beetle with the 17305 starter and it doesn't spin the motor as fast as yours is spinning. Battery is good. Even tried it with a charger on a good battery and a jumper cable from the battery negative post to the starter body as I have read that sometimes the ground is bad. But it still doesn't spin my motor as fast. How did you get your motor to spin that fast?
There's a few things I can think of that may or may not be affecting. 1) my starter is run off a relay which helps with power management/draw. Any unnecessary power is turned off during cranking 2) compression ratio also plays a huge factor. my hybrid motor falls somewhere in the 8.5 - 9 compression ratio so cranking may be easier than if yours has a higher CR 3) my motor is worn out lol, which goes back to #2 (less compression, easier cranking)
I mainly did it for reliability and availability. I’ve heard a lot of mixed reviews on the hi TQ options and I wanted the added assurance of an off-the-shelf item at most auto parts stores.
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I'm doing an EJ20 swap and also using the same starter. I filed the holes and installed last night and had same issue you first had. I was stumped. Stumbled across this today and it made so much sense! Filed a little more, installed noticeably better and it works now! Thank you for posting this!
Thanks for the support! I’m glad I could help. Keep a heads up, another video should be coming out in the next few weeks for battery relocate and finishing the frunk. Good luck with your project!
Like you, I've read about this mod but I've never actually seen it done. Thanks for posting this and showing how easy it is. I'll add it to my to do list!
Thanks for the support and good luck!
About to do this exact mod on my EJ22/Chenowth rail. Thanks for putting this up!
Thanks for the support and good luck!
@@RatchetMotors Swap done, and I can't say thanks enough for this one! The difference is night and day, I can only imagine your higher compression being even more so. Once the rim boss of the starter fit into the transaxle, I bolted it up without issue. First press of the start button absolutely floored me, perfect engagement to the flywheel and off she went! I'm also running a Microsquirt ECU, but being N/A there's not much I can beg from you on maps. ;)
Congratulations! That is great news! I’m so happy you found my content helpful. Good luck with the rail!
Good job. In Puerto Rico we call them volky. I had a 73 super beatle. 🇵🇷
Thanks for the support!
Got my used bosch starter. Its definitely the automatic transmission starter. And the bosch number other motor is 0 001 121. The 121 is the critical number. 0 001 is bosch's designation for starter motors. 121 is the series. I ebayed a used one. I did notice you showed the holes being enlarged towards the center , but mine needed to move towards the center and to the side. I also had to grind some of the ear of the starter off on the top hole to clear a top ridge of the transmission.
That’s great that you got it to work! Sorry if the video didn’t show everything exactly, there was a lot of grind and check so I may have not captured it all. Either way, congratulations!
Hi, You used the Bosch SR0407X starter on stock type 1 transmision ? how does it perform?
@@matejz8866 the starter has a planetary gear reduction, so it doesn't crank super fast... but it has a ton of torque. The stock starter would bog down if I pumped a bunch of gas into it from the carbs. This one cranks about the same speed, but there is not stopping or slowing it.
As Josh mentioned, it performs very well. I have not had a single start issue since installing. All hot start problems are gone. Good luck!
Thanks for this video, please keep us up to date on your build. Happy new year and a lot of success! Regards
Thanks for the support! Happy new year and lots of success to you as well!
Pleased thats sorted 1 more job of the list.
I’m glad to hear that! Good luck!
I wonder if this would work on my rotary sand rail with type 1 transaxle
I believe it comes down to using the Type 1 transaxle and Type 1 flywheel tooth pattern. If you're using those, it SHOULD work. I'm really curious so let me know what you end up doing! Best of luck!
Thanks man I did it and it worked perfectly I had been struggling with VW starters. Thanks again
That is awesome to hear! Congrats!
Sweet tape measure
I previously worked for Apex Tool Group (Crescent, Gearwrench) as a product engineer and got the chance to acquire a lot of tools! The tape is a Shockforce Nite Eye, my personal favorite
thanks for this.
Thank you for the support!
So I've been wanting to do this project and I finally am ready. Looking at the starter you used, it is for a automatic VW 1.9. I have read that the preferred 1.9 starter is for a manual application. Did you look into this before you did our project? if so what was your conclusion. Thanks again for posting this.
Thanks for the support! As wrong as it sounds, you want the automatic starter. I did a lot of research on all the forums and I think you need the automatic because it has the right tooth count AND the right throw (how much the gear travels in and out). It is the Bosch SR0407X (9 teeth). Good luck!
@@RatchetMotors I cant thank you enough for documenting this. It had to be nearly impossible for you to do the first time. I respect your courage. I'm gonna get my starter ordered and maybe Ill do a video too. I'm going to be installing on a 1600 air-cooled, so it will be a little different video. Thanks again
I’m just glad you found it useful! I did not enjoy buying a new starter just to modify it but luckily everything worked out as planned and I’m hyped with the results. Good luck my friend! Also you can consider the Duralast unit as a cheap alternate to the Bosch, both part numbers are linked in the description. You can also check Rockauto.com for other alternate manufacturers and part numbers.
I did a swap today on my 1973 VW Super Beetle with the 17305 starter and it doesn't spin the motor as fast as yours is spinning. Battery is good. Even tried it with a charger on a good battery and a jumper cable from the battery negative post to the starter body as I have read that sometimes the ground is bad. But it still doesn't spin my motor as fast. How did you get your motor to spin that fast?
There's a few things I can think of that may or may not be affecting. 1) my starter is run off a relay which helps with power management/draw. Any unnecessary power is turned off during cranking 2) compression ratio also plays a huge factor. my hybrid motor falls somewhere in the 8.5 - 9 compression ratio so cranking may be easier than if yours has a higher CR 3) my motor is worn out lol, which goes back to #2 (less compression, easier cranking)
@@RatchetMotors Thanks, I am sure that is what it is as my motor has been rebuilt.
After drill , do we need an adapter or spacer ? Or it bolt flat in-the type 1 transmission ?
No adapter or spacer needed, just a straight bolt-on once the holes have been opened up. Best of luck!
Very nice
Thank you!
They make a hi TQ starter that’s a bolt in fit. Why did you go this route?
I mainly did it for reliability and availability. I’ve heard a lot of mixed reviews on the hi TQ options and I wanted the added assurance of an off-the-shelf item at most auto parts stores.
Quit playing around and yank that thing out of the box...very annoying.....Looks like you burned your hand on the exhaust?
Lol and probably, I honestly can't remember