The Mysterious Disappearance Of A Scotish Medieval City | Time Team
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- Five-hundred years ago, a major city occupied what is now a large and empty field in the Scottish Borders. Founded by a king as a hub for international trade, Roxburgh was, along with Edinburgh, Stirling and Berwick, one of the four great centres of medieval Scotland. While the other three became thriving cities, Roxburgh simply vanished. Tony and the team have a unique chance to uncover whatever remains under the pasture.
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This show has made some really great contributions to archaeology. If for no other reason than landowners finally letting archaeologists dig up their land if it means they get to be on TV.
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I have learned more watching Timeline more than I had in college.
Scotland is a country full of wonders
@Pistol Pete Yeah- Look at me❗ look at me❗ I'm a Disney character😖
You guys always are so respectful to the sites you excavate. Its nice to see people who really love history doing their work.
I will never ever grow tired of Time Team!
I used to live in this region. My friends and I would often hike from town to peak to town, staying in B&Bs or campgrounds. Lots of options in this area, definitely worth a visit.
I love it when he says join us after the break and 2 seconds later the show is back on!
And no bumpers! Mark of an amazing show
A quick wee
One of the things that strikes me is how unusual it is that what was once a major center of commerce was entirely abandoned. Trade towns, and towns in general, are built where they are for a good reason and those tend to continue to be good reasons for towns to be there, so they tend to be there for a long time and get rebuilt if some disaster destroys them. Had this area stayed Scottish for a couple more centuries, which wouldn't have been difficult, it would have continued on as a major trade center until the Act of Union made it no longer really an issue which side of the border it was on.
To me, its like the Ghost Towns in the western United States. Huge towns (for their time) sprung up for the gold rush but when the gold ran out, the towns died. They're scattered all over the west, but in some places, they're basically gone. It only took a little over 100 years for the ground to reclaim them. It doesn't surprise me that this is what would be left after what, 800-900 years?
It did stay Scottish, or am I mistaken ?
@@armstronggermany2995 It changed hands several time during the various wars between the Scots and the English. The town and castle were destroyed in a battle in 1460 when James II of Scotland tried to take it back from the English (the last English-held castle in Scotland) while the English were busy having the civil war known as The Wars of the Roses. This demonstrates just how bad early artillery could be in terms of area damage: Everything the battle was about trying to get control of, and the King of Scotland as well, wound up in small bits.
The oil field still does this in certain towns across North America. They find big pockets of gas/oil which brings an influx of people and business to these small towns. Then after 5 years the drilling is done and they move on.
As a landowner, I'd be tempted to allow further exploration, provided that the parts that didn't yield good results were fully restored over the following year. With such a wealth of history, even given that short amount of time and meters to excavate, the site was revealing some fascinating finds.
The problem isn't just the landowner, but also that as a protected site there can only be a certain amount of work done on it within a time frame. It's very possible that Time Team's excavations here mean that it'll be years before another team can dig
@@Summer_Snows always makes me wonder why, especially with completely buried sites there isn't a larger, careful excavation to properly register all the stuff at the site.
@HappyBeezerStudios There's several reasons why we do our best to no longer excavate the entirety of sites
For one, to bring the level of care that modern archaeology strives for, to dig an ENTIRE site takes an immense amount of time and manpower. Just look at Egypt, arguably the most thoroughly excavated place on Earth, and we're still making new finds. Take that and apply it to places that have had much less time to be dug, and you can see why it's a colossal undertaking
Second, archaeology is a discipline that is constantly evolving, and removing the possibility for future in situ finds does more harm than good. New technology means we can make new discoveries only possible with undisturbed sites, but more importantly, the attitudes archaeologists bring to digs are always changing as well. While we can take thoroughly detailed notes on the dig (and sometimes have to for sites that are in danger), there's no replacing the actual discovery and physical placement of artifacts.
with such an important history behind this area, it truly deserves a more thorough dig.
thing is you can put a shovel in the ground almost anywhere in the british isles and hit arcology and since no one can sell what they find we are only seeing a sliver of what is available since this is one of the best programs. each show probably cost maybe 50K plus dollars for 3 days work. the government museum arcology money is put towards areas being rebuilt that has important finds that will be destroyed
@@bluelight9669 Tony Robinson and Tim Taylor have said it was about 400k Sterling per episode, which is still fairly inexpensive as TV goes, but in an absolute sense not cheap. And then Channel 4 screwed around with them to the point where the ratings fell and canceled it. The production team is reviving it on Patreon under the name “Time Team Digital”, and they are planning to make more episodes without the interference of Channel 4. “It’s worth backing,” says the guy typing this while wearing Time Team fleece jacket.
Personally, the presenter of Time Line seems an empty-headed TV presenter. It just shows one reason why Time Team was so good.Tony Robinson ws so good - he is somehow matey, and also humourous, and also seems genuine, while the Time Line guy is almost laughably inauthentic but conventionally handsome. No one would cll the Time Team men conventionally handsome!
Tony Robinson was sooooo annoying and obnoxious... new absolutely zero about what he was doing or talking about and was/is a lifelong paid actor... he also has the most amazing level of disrespect and irreverence for burials/graves I have ever seen in my life and always wants to just “yank” stuff out of the ground... on top of all of that he is always talking about and worried about and focused on “firsts” and “making history” and “never before found”... they could have easily found an actual archeologist or historian to be the narrator for the show instead of some paid actor who knows absolutely nothing
Poor Richard Grace. He'll go to his grave wondering why Sir Tony is so popular with the audience. Chin up, Richard! You needn't watch if Tony makes you unhappy. .
Two three years of watching Time Team and I cannot look at dirt the same way ever again. That being said I can't tell the damn difference between one kind of dirt and another, but I look at it differently. And I keep scratching my head.
Colour and texture are the first two things to look for.
It is really a shame these sites cannot be further investigated with a week or more of exploration.
There isnt the funding. Wo. time Team, there wouldnt be these preliminary investigations which can be followed up by longer-term project. BEcause T.T are professionals, they follow professional procedures and keep careful records that can be used by later, costly projects.
@@granthurlburt4062 they don't follow professional human grooming etiquette though 40:24
This should have been named ‘3 nights at the roxburgh’
I am an American with the last name of Kerr. According to my clan history the Roxburgh area was my clan's stomping area. Very intersting.
Same here
The Duke of Roxburghe, whose castle is shown from a distance and who owns the land which the time team are digging on here, he is a Kerr.
how an entire CITY can just disappear even knowing why is chilling.
Probably flooding
I second flooding. There's still habitation in the area as we can see. It's just further from the river in most places.
The burghe was destroyed by Mary of Guelders in 1460
Speaking as an American who's had just the one visit to the UK, I think those not native to the UK have no grasp what the importance of nettles might be.
Visiting a small stone circle at a roadside, I innocently encountered nettles brushing gently against my bare legs.
Within a half-hour, it was burning & painful, and discomfort continued for days.
Standing nettles are a big deal. People should appreciate what is being asked of those who have to survey, fieldwalk, or dig in proximity to them.
It stinging happens right away for me. However, if you rub dock leaf on the area, it eases it and for me, is fine pretty fast. Just a bit uncomfortable. Nothing big tho. And I'm basically allergic to everything, so am super sensitive. My skin sucks.
If you ever go back, remember the dock leaves lol. They're always near nettles. ;)
We have nettles in Pennsylvania.
We have nettles in Alaska. They’re delicious.
🤣city slickers... buwhahaha
and California... you quickly learn which fields not to play in as a child
This is the original reality show. “Will we answer all the questions in 3 days?” “Is geophysics new gear better than digging?”
I sure hope you realize that this history hit TV / timeline group has absolutely no relationship to the Time Team group who created these videos. They have simply commandeered this content to make money off the advertising.
@@wendywhite2642 Your response confused me. I've only seen about 3 of these.
Thats so funny you say that cuz i just saw an episode called "keeping up with the gregorians" lmao
No, but it is quicker.
Absolutely fantastic to follow your search 🦋🦄
Thank you for inviting us along and good luck 👍🍀
I hope they continue with the archeology to find out more about the history of the town.
Solved. I found Roxburgh , it got up and moved to central Otago, New Zealand. lol
I lived in Stirling, about an hour toward the coast.
Nah, he's an actor in Australia, was a henchman in Mission Impossible 2.
Yes, I briefly lived there circa 1950.
I am descended from my great-grandmother Janet Thain who was born in Rathven, Banffshire Scotland, and great-great-grandfather James and great-great-grandmother Mary Sim of Perthshire. I do not yet know the city. I very much enjoy hearing anything about my ancestral home!
This is so fun. Lovely video. I havent even watched the full thing yet but its great so far
Fascinating, especially the carved arch keystone. I wonder where all the soil covering the site came from. Is it just progressive accumulation of organics and wind-blown dirt ?
Probably. Throw in a little flooding, multiply by a few hundred years ...
I feel sorry for John sometimes. Geophysing in nettles has really gotta suck!!
Prickly predicament, indeed.
but I love it; Tony illuminates conflict for viewers engagement while John & Stuart argue their expert opinions & yet it's nettles that challenge the most. I love em...Eat Them, make tea with them Best wild veggie
@@ledacedar6253 ”Urtica” Letting them infuse for several days provides for a smashing fertilizing liquid too!
What puzzles me is why that big church would have been built OUTSIDE the protection of the town walls. Churches were usually fairly central.
I lived in Roxburgh and related Roxburgh-Hydro, as a child. Not the Scottish original, but the townships in Otago, South Island, New Zealand. That was the early 1950s. We celebrated the Queen's Coronation at The Hydro, 1953.
Lol yes had the sweetest apricots there. Hi 👋 kiwi.
how is the duke? Is he as snobby as what the time team said? What is wrong with him not allowing people to dig...lol
Phil has tge most beautiful smile
Great again as usual !
You can tell how buff Phil is in this particular episode lol
I'm an American that really enjoys your channel, mate.
Greeting from Sarawak..💚
Scotland is where my family originated from very interesting
I love how John sounds like Ringo.
And Paul like George.
I friggin love Timeline and TimeTeam!
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Thanks!
Such a good show!
Thank you.
I do get a bit frustrated with Scheduled ancient monument restrictions.....I can understand in many cases but often having watched Time team some of the sites hardly anything is known and often seems they jump to schedule sites without knowing that much about them
So cool
Love this 🤙🍻🇳🇿👊
great britain is definitely an awesome place to be an archaeologist (and or student)
Map at 6:00 puts Edinburgh somewhere in South Perthshire ...
I was just going to write the very same thing !!
wow they found the church! amazing
The guys boots look cool. The magnetic apparatus the two girls are carrying. 👍🏻And the one guy's dragonball shirt
From what I can see on a map the community of Kelso, Scotland is only about 2 miles, 3.2 km away. What is the correlation between Kelso, neighboring communities and that archaeological site. There must be something in the historical documents of that area. Perhaps as the local communities evolved the lesser of and least productive was slowly abandoned.
We have many small little populated areas and Villages that were thriving + - 100 years ago in United States that are nothing but points on a map nowadays. Many of these started out as homesteads and nearby villages but as properties were sold and land Holdings became larger the current population dispersed for whatever reason. One of the ways that you can determine the locations of old homestead sites is ivy growing on an old tree and other anomalies that would not occur naturally in nature. There are many one-room schools scattered across America still today that supported thriving small communities that don't seem to exist today.
WHAT IS THAT HAUNTING MUSIC? The theme music?? Please tell. It is perfect for this series...
So what happens after 3 days? Do they just record their findings, and then bury everything back up?
It differs. Some finds are sent to various museums, others are put back in place so that future archaeologists with (hopefully) better background info and technology can re-evaluate them.
A number of TT sites have been further dug and worked.
Their Facebook page has a number of links to explore.
A few of the expanded digs have yielded very nice finds.
I've been watching episode after episode, had two surgeries in two months, so I have had plenty of time, I've learned alot, and I think I'm in love with Tony, really what's not to love, LOL.
I wish I had know about it before now, But I'm in the States, so there you have it.. Keep it up guys....XOX to Tony...
Beautiful but Poor Mary! I hope the system is not heavy for her shoulders.
I truly do not understand why they don’t have geophysics go a day or two before the rest do you have the whole site for most of it done on day one instead of afternoon day three when they don’t even have time to check any of it
I remember them doing that in some of the later episodes.
dang? archaeologists are AMAZING
I live in Kelso, Washington founded by Peter Crawford of Kelso, Scotland.
Could someone over in Britain petition the government to ban further use of Dan Snow's History Hit advertisements that precedes so many of these Timeline videos? Thanks, you're a peach!
Having a deadline of 3 days hardly seems like you can even set your site up let alone make sense of what you find.
That's the challenge and why this makes a good TV program. Most of the time on a dig, you don't have all the experts and specialists on site at once to discover and interpret things in real time. The fact they're all there arguing together probably yields better results.
@@Libbathegreatit's definitely not 3 days, that's the "gimmick" production comes with to create a sense of urgency. Sometimes the ditches go ballistic in a few hours, which wouldn't be possible with careful digging
@@rafael_lana it *is* possible when you're taking off maybe a meter or more of topsoil with a mechanical digger in the first couple of hours. Most digs I've been on they don't do that so it took 3 days just to get through the topsoil, which in an agricultural area is kind of a waste really. I do know that on TT, sometimes they'd have some geophysics already done and they've pretty well decided on a plan before they get there, but the plan usually got thrown out halfway through day one 😄
@@Libbathegreat also sometimes they have 3D models of what they found like hours after it, back in the day that took much more time. Judging by the computers I would say late 90s, early 2000s.
@@rafael_lana Yeah show ran from 2003-2013 roughly. They had a whole graphics department working flat out though during the dig. You normally only see one but there were usually at least 4 or 5 (during the live digs probably more). And of course a lot of reconstructions (like the pots) are rendered in post.
A remarkable amount of us YANK’s genealogy is traced right back to Scotland.
Philomath Oregon says HELLO , we love T.T.
What about the bits in the tree roots?
It would be a great deed to allow further site exploration in the name of history.
What season of time team was this?
Season 11, Episode 12. Ummm... you can simply look this up on Google you know. ;-)
24:18 guys please what's that music? I love it
Oh yes, it's a lovely theme. I can't find it at any online tune finder so I suppose it was originally written for Time Team which should mean it's by Steve Day. I'm not sure if that helps but let us know if you find out more!
It’s one of the Time Team themes. They use them more extensively in the early episodes.
My 3rd g. Grandfather was from Roxburghshire, would this be the same city?
It is amazing that a place like this could be abandoned just 500 years ago, and there is no historical documentation of the reason. I am not sure that the hypothesis put forward that it was related to loss of access to the port would be the full story, does not quite add up. I have a family link to Roxburghshire. I am wondering if it could have been destroyed at some stage being caught up in border clashes? Still, it is astonishing that there is no further historical record.
According to one source, after being fought over many times, it was taken over by the English for about 100 years, and recaptured in 1460, by which time the town and church were just a pile of rubble.
I would propose another theory in addition to my previous comments, that the English reduced this town to rubble to "send a message" to the rest of Scotland. It's location & importance would make it the first strategic target, it's destruction could be seen as psychological warfare.
@@tonylittle3508 I agree
Tony Little -
Sounds likely.
Would love for you guys to be able to spend at least a few months to a year to study the area better.
5 years ago.. when he was alive. 🤪🤪
@@Fush1234 I didn't know he died.. 😥
@@fairwitness7473 - brain hemorrhage. 62 years.
I am curious what happens to everything once you dig it up? Surely you do not just leave it exposed. Is it removed from the bulk of what is remaining or reburied?
I love to hear some names.
Where in the British Isles is Phil Harding native to? His accent is something else.
Wiltshire, but he now resides in Salisbury at the mo he is doing a vid about Salisbury Stonehenge and the surrounding area.
An Iconic British programmemade in the UK for the British viewing public, but not available to watch on UA-cam in the UK (Except I used my vpn to watch it from a USA server. What utter nonsense to forbid people in the UK to watch History of their own country. Damn poor show World History Documentaries- oh and I use an adblocker as well.
I wish I had a whine blocker.
BBC is still pretty attached to their TV licenses. The PBS here in the USA is about the same because their shows are funded by fundraising cycles every 3 months or so. The BBC is funded over half by grants, and if they don't limit access they are concerned they couldn't raise the funds for future programming... Which is a fair worry seeing as so many channels have gone to trash programing, and without these older shows we would not be supporting them at all.
Does anyone know if Bridget is from New Zealand? I noticed her helmet had NZ1 on it plus it looks like she is wearing a Pounamu.
Yes
Yep her and her husband Raysan and kids live in Waihi. Trust a kiwi to wear a kiwi brand🤣🤣🤣
Them bangs are so yesteryear also
Lol considering this episode was made 2003 aired 2004 bangs were still the order of the day.
What's with the square meter limit? Landowner allowing only some legal requirement?
The site is a Scheduled Monument. Excavation is limited in order to preserve it for the future when it can be better understood.
Sorry guys. Absolutely love your videos, and hope you keep high access on youtube, but last thing I need is another subscription especially in such a nich area
Why was such an important church set outside the towns defenses??
When Tony says at about 4:55 "florescence light tubes". I don't know how he didn't see the complete irony in that statement, given the young ladies florescence hair color. A lost opportunity for a joke. I always thought Tony got his start with comedy... Corenza mentions 1313 AD, isn't that the year of the signing of the Magna Carta. College is many years back, so please forgive me for not remembering, and being so lazy I don't even want to "google" it...
His use of the word "florescent" *was* the joke.
You missed it.
No not really, I just like to post comments that ask questions, Now what about the Magna Carta?@@AnnaAnna-uc2ff
ELI5 - Can someone explain to me why they seem to always allow just, what seems to me to be (a minimal), a limited amount of square meters to trench.
To ensure that a highly significant site is mostly preserved for the future when archaeologists will better understand it.
Love these videos. My question is though, why do you only have 3 days?
The 3 day limit is for tension, keeps down personnel and rented equip costs. The Time Team group must move on to next week’s site pretty quick. But university archeology students probably continue the digs on the more promising sites.
All the archeologists on these digs are employed full-time at various universities, some of the experts work for Heritage Trust, Scottish Museum as in this excavation, or are involved in their own longtime digs. TT do the exploratory excavations any other work will be carried on by others if warranted.
I've wondered--why are so many old sited buried? Is dirt falling from space, enlarging the earth and burying ancient sites? It's curious...
Dusty winds + foilage growing and dying for hundreds/thousands of years. And sometimes man moving dirt to cover old stuff for farmland, building new stuff and whatnot. And repeat.
Scotland, home to some of my ancestors.
Where is it? Roxburgh has been relocated to Te Wai Punamu in Aotearoa New Zealand.
The location of Edinburgh on the map about 6 minutes in? Weird.
Does the team ever get an opportunity to
Excavate a large sight an extra 3 days?
why at 48:09 would the church be outside the defense wall?
Religious differences?
What about Selkirk and Peebles?
Well their map showed Edinburgh where stirling roughly is.. and not south of the Forth.
31:18 The location of the church is shown lying OUTSIDE the main defensive wall. Doesn't makes sense to me...
Some churches would be built outside the walls, because it was easier to bury bodies and because there were often inns, etc., catering to travelers who didn't make it inside the gates at night, or wanted to stay cheaper.
Also, if a monastery or bishop had lands outside the wall, you'd build a church on the lands you owned.
Quite often, in larger towns, there would be two churches - one for the higher ground within the walls and one basic church just outside. Whether this resulted in a class division for the attendants of the churches - merchants and nobles who would live within the walls going to their local church and tanners and farmers going to the exterior church...I don't know
what are they using to scan the earth? the geo-phys?
6:08 That is not where Edinburgh or Perth are at all. Miles off...
Which episode is this?
Series 11 Episode 12, 21 March 2004.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Time_Team_episodes
Who knew calculating square footage was so difficult.
They don't adequately explain how or when the city was effectively razed and cleared of all its rubble. It stands to reason that an entire town and its buildings don't simply "melt" into the ground.
Everybody in the area started mining it for pre-fab materials.
This is a scheduled area, so they can only dig a certain area, anything outside the scheduled area can be dug. TT does exploratory investigative work, full reports are written up can be viewed for all TT digs go to Wessex Archeology.
I’m not sure why anyone would take on such a historical site with only three days to work with. You don’t even get started and it’s over 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
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As much as I enjoy this series, I'm often frustrated and confused by the time-crunch as a factor. Archeological investigations, if thorough, require time, funding and workers. A three-day process simply isn't realistic if the intended possible discoveries are rushed to incomplete findings.
There isnt the funding for the long-term projects that would be required to investigate every timie site. Wo. time Team, there wouldnt be these preliminary investigations of these numerous and previously unexplored suites. Time Team has enormously increased public appreciation of archaeology which is likely to result in more funding. BEcause T.T are professionals, they follow professional procedures and keep careful records that can be used by later, costly projects.
The Time Team archaeologists are actually working for free (at least Mick Aston was) on weekends. Obviously Tony and the BBC crews were paid. That is another reason they were limited to three days. Exploratory archaeology is very important. some professional archaeologists were quite sniffy about the three-day structure initially, but I imagine they are very happy now to be featured on Alice Robert's shows. If you watch those, notice how weary the archaeologists are. The banter among the T Time methods exists because they're full of excitement at exposing brand new things and speculating.
From what I can tell, most of the people involved were basically doing this as a hobby over three day weekends, and did have actual university jobs.
These exploratory digs are useful. They can help English Heritage and other such agencies decide whether or not it's worth investing their limited funds and personnel into deeper exploration of any given site for more detailed, longer term digs, rather than wasting time and resources on sites that don't turn up much in the long run.
Man id love to work with phil. but im way over here in yankee land
How old is this documentary?
Recorded in 2004, first aired 2005.
The excavation took place in June 2003 and the episode was first broadcast on 21st March 2004.
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How can I get hired to work on these digs for Timeline? I'd work for FREE. Plus, I'm part Scottish. My Scottish DNA Brain could surely help guide them, I'd be an asset to the team.
Timeline doesn't do digs. They don't do videos either actually, they buy them from different production teams just like TV channels do. But if you mean *Time Team*, they're starting up again these days and they've certainly used unpaid volunteers in the past. There's not much chance but there's no harm asking them. Contact info at their website, timeteamdigital.com
Oh, and they're Pateron financed now since Channel 4 is out of the picture so there's always a way for anybody to support them if they want to.
@@tessjuel Yes, I meant Time Team. : ) How do I find them? Do you know?
@@HelenTudor-Douglas they have a website and are on Instagram and Patreon. And the best part? No lie - they're coming back!!!!!
That's Baldrick, isn't it?
Why is there a timeframe of just a few days? I mean; I can understand the m2 part, but usually, these type of areas seem to be unused for large amounts of time per year.
Cost of keeping the team on site, fed, sheltered, equipment maintenance, etc, etc.
Is it the same as bull metal?