He Crashed At The F@*king Major
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Imagine being eliminated from the Major because your PC crashed in the middle of a series-defining retake.
Well, Virtus.pro doesn’t have to. That happened to them. And it could happen again.
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I'm sorry but equipment failure provided by the tournament should be an automatic rematch.
Well it's not the hardware's fault it's the software... The billion dollar company making fat stacks from weapons with pixels on them just hasn't fixed their competitive shooter game after 6 months...
then players could fake equipment issues, the rules are the rules for a reason
@@RisT30that’s why there are admins to make that call with all of the context of the issue being able to be taken in. At least in every other FPS competitive game it’s like that.
it was actually due to a nvidia driver crash, not the game itself.@@LieutnantQ
Shouldn't be a rematch, but you could definitively replay the round.
Jame has an iron mental. My monitor would be in pieces on the floor.
My monitor, my mouse, my keyboard, the tournament organizers everything would be in pieces if that happened to me in a win deciding match
He's just and adult and you're a kid
@@abhrajitpaul2744 and you would be banned from the major's for life.
@@MrFriendlyCsgoContent But he'd be an eternal meme
@@cheesium238 crashing during a critical round is cs2 meme material enough
It’s just so unfortunate since this was quite literally an external factor, the game should not be in such a state where it’s crashing in rounds like this with so much at stake. Imagine if the players all agreed to replay though, that would’ve been such a show of sportsmanship.
Players don’t have a choice they can make to replay a round. PGL rules state that if damage is taken the round won’t be replayed. Doubt they would’ve agreed to replay it anyway tho.
@@luigichi4851 its Valve rule im pretty sure that PGL follow, i might be wrong
It's weird because most other esports you would see a replay and sometimes a full game replay for something like this but CS wouldn't even replay a single round. Pretty dumb
Wasn't to do with the game, they've said it was an nvidia driver issue so basically nothing anyone could do to stop it.
It was an nvidia driver crash
Without this crash, VP would most likely be at the Playoffs.
Gaben hates my pickems.
This shouldn't have happen.
I wouldn’t even say “most likely” they would definitely be in playoffs if this crash didn’t happen.
seen alot of comments saying vp wouldnt have won because they had low health completely ignoring jame had the fucking blaster cannon one of the most awp friendly sites in the game
@@m0rshu933G2 had zero utility to flush him out too.
There's quite a difference in prize pool. From 20K now to anywhere between 45K and 500K for winning. I would not be able to be so calm as an org about this...
And sticker money from playoff capsules. Very unlucky
You're right but I am quite sure that no player is thinking like that.
What makes it even crazier is if he didn't miss the shot in ruins, g2 would already run to save without a second thought
I think that’s good. Now please someone spin bot in major final. That would be the perfect cs2 experience.
That would be the closest to MM these tournaments ever get 😂😂
someone brought in the cheater glasses and activate spin bot inorder to send valve a message
Historically the rule has always been that the round will finish if any damage had been done. This is too fight forcing fake tech pauses to stop momentum etc.
"This is too fight forcing"
What?....
@@mad_max21 Preventing teams abusing tech pauses
@@mad_max21 "This is to prevent teams calling fake tech pauses to stop the enemy teams momentum."
@@mad_max21brother that made perfect sense you just need to include the rest of the sentence.
@@MrSnrSquishy he's confused because it should be "This is to fight forcing" and not "too"
In G2’s recently uploaded video, their comms mentioned “if we don’t get a pick, we save”. So yea. They definitely would conceded the round if Jame stayed alive
There's really no excuse for this. G2's placing in this tournament will always have a stain on it. The fact that the pros aren't absolutely raging is mind blowing.
multiple pro's spoke about it, but they're also all aware that there's nothing to do about it, it's part of the game, always has been, gotta hope the bug's are fixed in the uture and that's it
As if this exact situation hasn't happened a thousand times in CS:GO too. There is a reason why there is and has been a rule in place for a long long time stating if there are any technical problems and any player has taken damage, the round will be played out. It's really just a part of the game.
To be professional at something, you have to learn how to handle your emotions. This is probably one of the many factors keeping you from being one of the greatest in cs.
@@arog7493literally just replay the round I’m sorry that’s not competitive integrity at all. No pros won’t start just randomly faking crashes, it’s not that common in other games that have similar systems.
@@xongliq6441 val literally replays entire halfs because of bugs and a crash that is caused by the games unpolished nature and nvida, is the games fault meaning replay.
Jame has insane composure. If it were me I'd be injured from smashing my head into the monitor lol. Great quality for an igl.
Despite the huge heartbreak. James won everyone heart with his professionalism and handling the situation well.
Soul crushing but really hope shit gets fixed so we don’t experience something this important again.
there were so many game losing crashes in this lan event. this was the only one that was made famous since it was the final slot for playoffs
Wait seriously?
I've watched alot of CS majors and other pro matches since 2014 and can't recall a single time someone crashed at LAN
@@Skeleton43 i said "in this lan event" if youre really watching the whole tournament of this pgl youd know that there were several crashes from legacy vs furia game.
@@Skeleton43 thats 10 years ago LMAO
Another one adding to this occured on this Major too. On the Furia Vs KOI series, on Vertigo Furia's c4 just bugged and dropped out of the map. If I´m not mistaken it occured on round 5. Valve quickly fixed but imagine what could have this meant if it was on an important round of the series.
This was why I felt like G2 didnt deserve getting so far in the Major. External factors always helped then in crucial rounds in matches
Two years ago I think, during Champions KJ turret bugged during a crucial round and Riot replayed the round (the game went on to OT). Knowing the current state of CS2 I think Valve should do something to let the tournament organiser handle this kind of situations, because with that amount of money and the players careers on the line they can't continue using the "It is what it is" approach
You mean the state of nvidia drivers
@@PeakKissShot even is it was a driver failure they could have atleast replayed the roind again like how riot did. This just cost VP playoffs
@@zecomrade82 that then makes it unfair for g2
@@zecomrade82people have already explained it. It's to stop teams forcing faking technical pauses to try to slow down the momentum of the other teams and has always been like this when it has occurred at other tournaments. It's shit but unfortunately all the teams knew that when they participated in these events. And to be fair even G2 had their problems with Nexa as well mid game on one of their matchups but they still won it.
The turret wasnt bugged it is an interaction that was in the game that was fixed by the nerf it would shoot then snap back to its original facing position
The way Jame handled the situation is just the best thing about this tournament.
Happens to me too, my game starts randomly showing red boxes on the opponent's model and sometimes they died by random cause. This game is too buggy fr
Clara messing with ur game bro 😭 😭 😭
I'm an absolute diehard VP fan for the last 8 years and this broke my soul.
I love how this channel is not censored. You guys are awesome 🤘🤘
We need more people like him across the entire community
You don't, you need less of them. You need people that call this bs what it is.
Super class act, for sure
So glad i dont have to deal with this anymore... Selling all my skins and uninstalling CS was the best thing i could have ever done in regards to my support for the game.
I thought about doing that many times during CS2's release, and part of me wishes I could be with you in saying the same thing.
I can’t even begin to imagine the rage I’d feel
This is like having a heart attack mid basketball match
At least g2 now feel their “close to match end curse” is over
Not only any rounds, it's a game winning round!
Least chaotic CS2 tournament
About 4:46 when the Bot cuts out right when the stutter starts. It's not PGL's Bot, it's how the automatic caster works in the game. It works based on movement and if a player is close to an enemy. If a player starts stuttering, or his game crashes, there isn't any movement (there aren't constant frames), so the Bot is not switching to that player's POV because it doesn't detect any "action".
You say we shouldn't blame, but isn't this all the result of no one complaining? I can remember 3 crashes in the RMR
A LOT of people would not have been that calm. I have mellowed out from my raging violently at videogames days, but if that happened to me at a tournament, that monitor and chair would have to come out of my paycheck
Imagine playing this crp game lol.
It happend to calyx from Eternal Fire on Vertigo aswell, sadly no one mentions this.
Jame crashed on, if not the most important round. Calyx crashed at 11-12 when it was a 1v5, so he would have lost either way
@@rapidmark2700 I mean, we can't say that as a certainty but him losing is the higher probability option there.
There's no reason to trying to tier who's shitty situation is shittier.
Why would anyone mention that? It was a 1v5. It was practically over already. 11-11 4v4 where its make or break for both teams is not the same as a washed 1v5.
@@FlamuskiBecause it's double standards and hypocritical to say that this should have happened or that should have happened if every other team is experiencing those problems regardless of whether they seem likely to lose. The problem is that everyone has a bias to their team and when something happens that they see unfairly they go into a hissy fit over it rather than seeing the bigger picture it has happened to other teams as well that "rolled with the punches"
@@duc1755 What the fuck are you on about? One was a crucial round, the other wasn't. Everyone's talking about crashes now because if such technical issues are causing pivotal moments to be affected in a Major, it's a massive problem.
Also, let's be real. No one REALLY likes VP, even then people are talking about it.
Whatever this should be a round replay especially thats all players were still alive
G2 were asked if the would agree to replay the round. They refused stating there is no rule saying they have to replay it
Why would they want too?
@@bubbles13244 for the sake of sportsmanship and fairness.
@@hoangnguyen8698VP wouldn't do the same either if I'm gonna be honested this is just double standards teams have always rolled with the punches when shit like this has happened in the past this isn't new
@@hoangnguyen8698 G2 also had to experience it the game before and no one is talking about it or caring. It happened to them, they still won. It happened to vp, they didn't win. Idk where you even got this info because once damage is done you can't replay it. That's the rules, and always has been for decades
@bubbles13244 so just because it happpened to nexa, then that means g2 deserve to have their next opponents pc crash? I guess thats fair
"That's the trouble with you Americans. You expect nothing bad to ever happen, while the rest of the world expects only bad to happen. And they're not disappointed." Svetlana, The Sopranos.
I mean if my game crashes last round like that am done for the day ngl, can’t imagine they were playing properly after that
I'll quit cs this year, too much cancer for my eyes and mental health. They didnt even restarted the round, in what world this is fair but yea..fix your dogshit valve
i bet valve is shaking in their boots rn bud
I am in the same boat. I was enjoying cs2 when they had the tick rate fixes however the game had too many issues with buggyness, hacks, and shit community. Back on Valorant. Vct was a major succees compared to this.
@@spladoinkk i bet whenever the other half of the playerbase that still thinks 2 is better than go notice how actually down bad the game they are glazing is valve will start to think about doing something about it
It was an nvidia driver crash and the rules are if this happens and damage has been done they dont redo the round
this isn't going to affect you out of hundreds of games though?
5:03 they still found a way to talk about the Olaf boost
As Gaules pointed out in Brazil, yes it is a shitty situation and sure they shouldn't re-do the whole round or anything, however the organizers are indeed to blame since they could've at the very least made a pause, switched PCs and do some stalling just to let VP to cool out, having to play another round right after such BS is beyond tilting even more so with so much in the line. It is not about being actually technically helpful, just simply being empathic towards the competitors and supportive to at least give them some breathing room. Also PGL has being shitty in many regards so I honestly wasn't expecting you guys to try covering it up for them. This haven't been the first or last issue in this championship and for an organization that literally never does shit for the community outside of the majors this is honestly just fuel to the fire.
props to jame
Jame is always Ice Cold, it's all those years of Jame Time he's been preparing for this.
I’m sure when the sticker check clears, they’ll forget about it
Holy Iron mental here
Respect to him for keeping it classy & positive but I'm with Dimitri on his reaction. Also when did Sjokz start covering cs?
She always did. she's a free agent, 😂
@@ae_aspects8296 I went and found my answer after asking, 2019 apparently
@@ae_aspects8296 I went and found my answer after asking, 2019 apparently lol
It's been a while now
This is what happens when you release an unfinished game
Why didn't they just replay that particular round? Wtf is this reasoning "once damage has been dealt we can't restart the round", wat.
As a G2 Fan i saw their Comms video and in that round They said they were going to save But because Jame's Pc crashed they Knew it was a Secured round
also i dont feel like My fav team Playing in the Playoffs I think they dont deserve it
id be losing my shit, how is it allowed for a PC to crash and the round to still be valid?
rounds are not to be replayed after the first hit of damage is taken, this prevents players from abusing tech issues to replay rounds they would likewise lose.
@@RisT30 they have broken that rule before for luminosity back in 2016 when they went back 2 back majors, this is NOT a players fault they can see the crash, bad admins
So you don't cheat lol
The fact this ain’t common sense blows me
@@illusive7883 hope you're not saying I lack common sense lol. Common sense would be nulled round. Dude had no control over what happened.
"Do not blame organizer" dude PGL track record speaks for it self
He crashed due to an NVIDIA driver error, what the fuck do you want PGL to do? Make their own GPU drivers or something?
@@yasmir465 since players PCs have limited access to the internet, maybe just maybe organaizer can keep GPU drivers up to date? Can't remember that kind of shitshow during Blast or ESL hosted events. It still baffles me that post covid we had 5 majors and 3 of them are hosted by PGL all of the had serious issues with sound/players pc/huge time delays.
assuming that everything was at least all updated a week before (so pretty much 99% new and up to date) how fast do you realistically expect expect Nvidia techs, or hell even Valve to take care of a problem that pops up like that?
@@colzimo “PGL has been bad with crashes so this one surely has to be their fault by default” what a naive take dude. Drivers can crash on any version, new or old. Surely I don’t have to remind you about people with AMD drivers getting banned because their most RECENT DRIVER UPDATE caused them to get VAC-banned? Who’s to blame for that one then? Driver conflicts happen, and it sure ain’t PGL’s fault. Naive.
Exactly
@yasmir465
Pgl cannot make CS2 more optimized.
As a League fan, I guess we're spoiled with chronobreaks. There's no system for that in CS? WTF
the way an FPS is programmed, there isn't really a way to implement chronobreaks
@@vinogr00nko93nah Valorant replays rounds at times too
Get that chronobreak stuff outta here. Mobas need it, FPS doesn't because of it's round-by-round nature.
@@mihirx27 so this is a satisfying outcome? Chronobreak would fix it...
@@TheJerbol To reset after damage is inherently unfair, because unlike MOBAs, there are a LOT of inherent tells for a specific team within the small moments of a round that will get paused at a chronobreak. It'll give time for the team to cook up potential counters in their head. The round will be WILDLY different compared to the expected outcomes (for both teams), making it inherently unfair compared to a MOBA.
ah yes. this game is just so ready for a Major. still waiting for the full release of CS2.
Caster/someone at the other end should have the means to immediately freeze the match when it becomes apparent it's equipment failure. Even if they "figured it out", the player in question should have the opportunity to defend until they die.
Dimitri my boi!
They should have the tech to rewind like in league
First game of CS I’d watched in years and that happens. Absolute joke tbh
ECC memory could minimize game crash. Should it be implemented in tournament pc?
Does anyone know what the specs of the PC's being used are for these matches? Are they running windows, or linux?
Windows, 4080, 5800x3d. Problem was an nvidia driver crash
Wasn't there a moment in esports history where the dude literally threw the pc off the stage?
"G2 were class acts about it" 😂😂😂
they literally were, they acknowledged the unfortunate circumstances but were also allowed to celebrate the win, at the end of the day they did convert the round, the next round, and dominated on the final map, nothing bad with celebrating making playoffs lol
@@vinogr00nko93Lol M0nesy kept talking about how G2 “Broke” VP Mentally and stuffs like that which obviously wasn’t the case, they got lucky and definitely aren’t humble about it
@@vinogr00nko93I absolutely love this new YT feature that allows people to see a person's recent comments on the channel. Because before that I could only suspect that you are G2 fanboy trying to whitewash their actions, but after watching your comments I can say it without a single doubt. Keep defending them, but don't cry then this evening they'll be absolutely spanked by Mouz. None of these guys except Monesy had a right to be in playoffs
@@Edamame600 the "new" youtube feature you're talking about is literally years old, so old that I was completely aware of it and even wandered if any loser would use it to make weird assumptions and now here we are
I wouldnt call myself a fanboy, definitely not of of all the players but I was going through the comments because the whole situation did summon a lot of stupid people who's saltiness about all of this caused them to spew a lot of bullshit
I don't care about g2 players not named m0nesy sucking for the past few months, but the only thing that matters in terms of "desering to be in playoffs" is the swiss score, and guess what, they're 3-2 so your crying about it won't change that even if they do lose to Mouz
the circumstances suck for everyone, I doubt the g2 players are the happiest with the way it went down, but at the end of the day they did destroy the supposedly "more deserving" vp on the decider and literally Jame admitted it so the fanboys crying is the most pointless thing ever
bugs happen, now probably more than ever, but the rules are set, sucks it happened in such a crucial moment but if it happened in any other round it would suck just as hard, at the of the day it's one round out of 13, when the person most wronged in the whole situation says that there's nothing to do but move on, maybe the losers at home should fucking listen and learn
@@thesilentassassin1167 if it "wasn't" the case than it's even worse for the so called "more deserving to be in play-offs" vp if they weren't broken mentally and still got clapped on Anubis
5:13 THE REALITY !
makes the microphone peak in decibel, careful with that 😆
The thing is if he crashed but stayed behind new box like when he first stopped they probably win the round cause G2 still save, but cause he got dragged out by I assume the game repeating the last input it got he walked into the open and G2 kill him for free and go for the retake
The rule that a round cannot be replayed if damage is dealt has always been bullshit. That rule has been in CS major for a long time, and it just goes to show how less they care about the game to update the rules. I have seen Riot change initial ruling for their esports many times, but won't happen in cs even when justified.
Also for this, i think monesy said they were going to Save unless they got a kill, and that crash gave them the kill to retake.
With this crash every G2 fan roared in victory... NiKo got robbed by rng once, this was pittance. Its tragic for jame and vp but it happens.
If you watch all the match from the start of the major, this issue actually happened A LOT. Not as bad as Jame case but 1 or 2 seconds freeze is bad when you're in a risky position
Imagine if it turned out that this was some sort of unknown exploit
How is this not a rematch??
i saw it happen live, very unfortunate
What to me feels crazy about this story is that there is no CS equivalent to Riot's Chronobreak as seen in LoL. Does a catastrophic software/hardware issue happen? Revert a couple seconds from the failure point. For competitive games, and especially with Valve being so big on the software game, having a feature like this incorporated into their engine feels like it should be an absolute top priority.
The stutter is Realshit, ping stays at 20 but I practically teleport a few feet left or right atleast a few times a game
Jame time got a whole new meaning...
With the new engine we should probably have some sort of round rewind if something like this happens mid match in big competitive events like this.
I mean League has it in a way and that thing is running on spaghetti so why not CS2?
Where is the pinned comment to clarify that PGL has fixed their upload?
the game is badly optimized, the nVidia engineer in Gamersnexus interviewed about nVidia Reflex, funny enough they took cs2 as an example, and the engineer said that they did not implement nVidia reflex as it could be. Props to Jame for his good calm composure, and also a very good explanation from his side, I agree with Machine on the part that he is a very interesting character.
Given how pretty the game looks and still gives better performance than it's peer, the game is pretty optimised
Everybody Gangsta till' it happens in the Grand Final of the Major on 12-11 scoreline.
SHARPEN YOUR FORKS
PTSD
niko must of played the unlucky reverse uno card. nuke deag miss
"Its part of the game" no my G it is not T_T...
Meanwhile at R6: "First time?"
Yeah, this video made me remember the Hibana pellet glitch which had ESL restart basically every second round.
Valve lost their touch and it's plain to see. They should have put out a statement as soon as that happened since a lot of people have their doubts about CS2. I like the shift to blame the Nvidia Drivers though, something that handles graphics would surely just quit the application to desktop without an exception error and not take the whole desktop session with it... 🙄 guess we'll just have to wait for the logs, oh wait.
The game has a history of gpu driver crashes. From the days it was in closed beta to as early as today, literally. Reddit is packed full of threads from people who experience the game crashing not only itself but also said GPU driver. Ironically the most threads are not about Nvidia, I'll let you guess which red cousin takes the crown here.
Also, this isn't a simple crash either. It had a hard crash because that's how badly the game screwed up. Maybe the huge backlog of issues would hint at.. you know, the game not being the best coded game on the market?
What? No, quite the opposite. If the game crashes then it would exit to the desktop, but if it's the GPU's drivers that fail, then EVERYTHING related to graphics crashes, and that includes the desktop. Do you even understand how a PC works? It's not shifting blame, it's simply not Valve's fault.
Also why can't they just instantly pause if a player disconnects?
g2 went to church daily for a month before that game
What if this is the sign that niko is about to win a major? 🤣🤣
CS needs something like league of legends chronobreak (which I know is far from perfect) but would still be good to have
hooxi shouting after that inferno win is ridiculous
Took him 3-4 seconds to kill jame (crashed player)
what is your expected reaction after winning the map?
How about wondering why a pro player was just standing there, with his knife out, looking at you and you still managed to miss him several times in a crucial round. @@hulekm
I understand what you mean, but it has nothing to do with my question.@@Gamersfirst100
@@Gamersfirst100No that would actually be perfectly okay. Someone who's put in thousands of hours at the pro level would find that behaviour so odd that it would cause visible dissonance.
Heartbreaking.
unfortunately it was not jame time.
u guys must do a video abt ef they are the first turkish team that will play on a quarter finals at a major and maj3er is such a wholsome guy and has such an inspiring story. they are very hyped rn
I've seen admins restarting the round while keeping the scoreboard the same. They should've done that or just allow 1 instance of the possibilty of the crashes appearing, for both teams. IF the game crashes a second time like that then it should be no go for the team.... It's dissapointing to see how it went for the team and Jamie.
For me i would just throw the monitor at g2 table so that the g2 side would have to stop as well 😅😅😅
Hooxi's spray was even so bad that he killed him mid magazine. Jame had the best spot to hold with the AWP and G2 had no more utility. Round should've been reset.
no round rematch is the craziest part. and G2 celebrating the win like they earned it and screaming was just kinda sad.
Should've postponed the 3 map for a time and "Investigated" the issue as they said, because anyone would need time to calm themselves after that bullsh*t.
Why cant Valve just create a chronobreak system like the one League has? Then allow organizers to use such software. They could just rewind a few seconds, not necessarily the whole round itself
yo dimitri, lowkey you got drip bro tf💀 0:26
If I'm Jame there I'm 100% summiting the monitor after the game
It was an unfortunate accident, and this thing also happened a lot in the past, player played with no audio, a broken hit reg, bomb missing, monitor off etc. Like any other sports, that is a variable that we can't control, perhaps it's just an accident, or you may unlucky. But i hope you guys dont spread hate and just deliver your point respectfully.
Sometimes your opponent just have a good day.
-CS:GO
it took hooxie 10 bullets to kill a crashed jame
imagine telling someone "oh im a world champ, i was about to lose but the other guy crashed" nobody would think ur actually a world champ
Jame is a class act, always has been. We should not feel sorry for him because in his own words, he knows they didn't play well on Anubis so they will get another shot next major. The only person I feel sorry for in all this is monesy, he's also a class act guy that was bought by an org that has no future, G2 might be good, but only when Niko is playing monesy level. Monesy is probably stuck in that contract for a while before he can go and join a better roster that can truly make him shine. Meanwhile a new player like donk has 100% more chances to win a big event before monesy. And given all this he's still happy to just be playing at all and giving his best always, props to Ilya.