S Club 7’s Paul Opens Up About His Past | First Dates Hotel

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  • @edenmorales1820
    @edenmorales1820 Рік тому +101

    He seemed like a genuinely nice man. So gutted we lost him. Gentle souls like him is what the world needs.

    • @ayoolukoga9829
      @ayoolukoga9829 Рік тому

      And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads. Genesis 2:10

    • @barbarabrown4755
      @barbarabrown4755 Рік тому +1

      Bless him a totally sweet gentle man

    • @antonytjp
      @antonytjp Рік тому +1

      @@ayoolukoga9829 these books are written by men not gods….

  • @jacobs3031
    @jacobs3031 Рік тому +172

    I was growing up when this band was at its peak. Rest In Peace Paul you were too nice for this world.

    • @tuifilipo9958
      @tuifilipo9958 Рік тому +3

      same here, love their songs.. RIP Paul.

  • @CaveWomen88
    @CaveWomen88 Рік тому +60

    Paul seemed like a sweet guy. I loved S Club as a kid and thought he was the cutest member. RIP.🖤

  • @kiliancronin
    @kiliancronin Рік тому +20

    I feel for Paul. He was always my favourite in the band. Such a lost to this world. Rest In Peace Paul 😢❤

  • @snowdust3657
    @snowdust3657 Рік тому +35

    I would have LOVED to have gone on a date with him (and maybe more than one!) What a sweet guy. I remember watching this video when it first came out and thinking how lovely he is. Rest peacefully, Paul.

  • @priv6276
    @priv6276 Рік тому +57

    RIP Paul! Hope you’ve found peace wherever you are! 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

  • @TitianTopsyTurvy
    @TitianTopsyTurvy Рік тому +61

    It's so sad. It seems he didn't find that special someone and now he's gone. RIP Paul

    • @scottandrewhorne4655
      @scottandrewhorne4655 Рік тому +7

      Paul Found That Special Some One Back Home In Heaven Amen xxxxxxx

    • @rahuldahoob
      @rahuldahoob Рік тому

      Reminds me of elvis

    • @Cassxowary
      @Cassxowary Рік тому

      @@scottandrewhorne4655 maybe maybe not, either way I’m sure he’s fine now

    • @scottandrewhorne4655
      @scottandrewhorne4655 Рік тому

      @@Cassxowary well he did find that special some one Back Home In Heaven Amen xxxxxxx His Soul Mate. So why say maybe maybe not. We Good who are Returned Back Home To Heaven Amen xxxxxxx we all have a Soul Mate Awaiting Our Return Back Home To Heaven Amen xxxxxxx that is our REWARDS for getting Home To Heaven Amen xxxxxxx amongst many other rewards that AWAIT us who are Good Souls x

  • @Deano_Longley
    @Deano_Longley Рік тому +45

    You can see in my opinion what the fame machine did to him,but what a thoroughly decent human being he was,RIP PAUL CATTERMOLE

    • @jeremysmith54565
      @jeremysmith54565 Рік тому

      When I think back to S Club's tour diary kind of series they did for think was a Saturday morning tv show (though don't quote me on exactly what it was shown on), for their 2nd tour as a group they all did a like behind the scenes of what happened before and after each show. They had Pauls one and for part of it he was talking about Hannah (who he of course is referring to in this if not stated directly) and he said 'she saved him' (not exactly word for word) and that was because he didn't find it very easy at all.
      If I could find his episode (as I think the whole series is on UA-cam) I could show that exact bit where he states that, to be honest knowing now how hard they were pushed I can completely understand, can't have done him any good bless him.

  • @hellovanite
    @hellovanite 5 років тому +156

    Seems like a genuinely nice fella

  • @Alrightvibe
    @Alrightvibe 4 роки тому +122

    Paul is a treasure, his personality definitely made a piece of what S Club 7 was. The movie was great but it wasn't the same without Paul. I wish him and them the best. Love them all.

  • @e.b.4379
    @e.b.4379 Рік тому +7

    He was so lovely and sensitive. He deserved a better life... RIP.

  • @fantomette55555
    @fantomette55555 Рік тому +23

    We love you Paul! We always will. Such an amazing soul and individual. You are trully missed. A big part of my childhood is going with you...I was an absolute fan, you were my childhood crush. I remember watching your show in my teenager room. I was living in France. I never imagined that my love for your music led me to learn English. You did well Paul. You did really well even if it wasn't so obvious for everyone. We love you. Rest in peace. May God bless your soul.

  • @saintblades
    @saintblades Рік тому +11

    He grew old before his time! 😢 I never noticed as a kid, he was the best looking guy in the group - so sad to see him go just before they went on tour and he would have some good work again to steady his life out. Rest in peace Paul!

  • @bgradeactor90
    @bgradeactor90 Рік тому +15

    RIP Paul. You were such a great and charismatic guy.

  • @michaelkenny4124
    @michaelkenny4124 4 роки тому +90

    Paul seems to have always been a very likeable, genuine guy. I always found him wonderfully entertaining in sclub when I was kid. Very sad and unfair how hard he's had things.

  • @cl4za
    @cl4za Рік тому +8

    His smile is GORGEOUS. 😍

  • @chrislayton3702
    @chrislayton3702 Рік тому +8

    Still cannot believe that Paul Cattermole is no longer with us Rest In Peace Paul you were amazing in S Club 7 you were also my favourite male member of the band

  • @patevans6154
    @patevans6154 Рік тому +52

    So sad to watch this and really listen to him talk about his days in the group. He's been struggling financially for years too

  • @jeniestra.
    @jeniestra. 3 роки тому +62

    I had a major crush on Paul when S Club 7 were at the peak of their success. I can totally relate to the bad luck in love situation, it has made me think that some people simply are meant to be alone. I hope that's not his case and he finds someone who appeciates him.

    • @Cassxowary
      @Cassxowary Рік тому +2

      You’re making it sound like it means lifelong misery and loneliness. I’m happier single than I’ve ever been when in a relationship!

    • @jeniestra.
      @jeniestra. Рік тому +1

      @@Cassxowary good for you. My comment is totally irrelevant now that Paul is gone.

  • @stipV
    @stipV 5 років тому +127

    Isn't it sad how these kids get taken advantage of and left with next to no money? So dodgy.

    • @lunalove9395
      @lunalove9395 5 років тому +21

      yeah they didn't make much. simon fuller really screwed them over i think - probably because the spice girls sacked him and he was trying to make up for the income he lost there. so gross and unfair though.

    • @Marc-zi5cq
      @Marc-zi5cq 4 роки тому +10

      Each of the 7 got 600.000 Pounds though. You'd think they made more but to be early-mid 20s and get earn 600.000 back then for 4 years wasn't too shabby. It certainly was a great start, just not enough to retire.

    • @stipV
      @stipV 4 роки тому

      @Nenethegreat W Hmmm can you spill what band? ;)

    • @resnonverba137
      @resnonverba137 3 роки тому +5

      Oh please! They earn large amounts at a young age. If they're irresponsible and don't take advice, it's their fault and no-one else's.

  • @ojar91
    @ojar91 5 років тому +104

    I feel so sorry for him, I hope good fortune will find him some day.

    • @resnonverba137
      @resnonverba137 3 роки тому +5

      It did and he blew it.

    • @SimplySammyK
      @SimplySammyK 2 роки тому +10

      @@resnonverba137 actually he didn't blow it, it was too much so he stepped down.. crazy respect for him putting his own mental health first in a time when it was a taboo subject.. after sclub he did stage performances until he had an injury during a show which put him out of the game, since then he's been successful in his own right. I can guarantee he is in a better place then you are.

    • @resnonverba137
      @resnonverba137 2 роки тому +6

      @@SimplySammyK 'Putting one's mental health first', is modern jargon for running away when things become a little difficult. It's just as well we weren't all in the position to earn your 'crazy respect' in 1939, don't you think? As you know nothing whatsoever about me, I am curious as to what you think your guarantees are really worth.

    • @hannahdean1672
      @hannahdean1672 Рік тому +10

      He’s passed away 😢

    • @ajgYT09
      @ajgYT09 Рік тому +10

      This comment hasn't aged well. He's dead apparantly. :(

  • @mebeme007
    @mebeme007 Рік тому +21

    It's a shame that she knocked him back in the end.
    I found Paul to be so sweet and kind.
    Sure, he may not have been the most confident guy in the world. But I'd rather a guy who is a bit more demure and approachable, than a guy who thinks he's too good for most females on the planet (if you know what I mean) or he is so confident that he is unable to show any empathy for shy people and such.
    And then to hear the news about his sudden passing, it made me very sad. My heart went out to him and his loved ones.
    I hope he did manage to find someone who made him happy in the last 3 years.
    I also wonder though, if there was some kind of fear, aprehension, perhaps some depression lurking there.
    And I wonder if that may have been behind what may have happened to him.
    Despite the upcoming reunion tour, and Paul claiming to be so excited for it. I do wonder, though, if there was some kind of reservations also. Especially after watching this clip.
    But thank you for the music, Paul.
    Thank you for sharing some of your life with the world, and making many people happy.

    • @scottandrewhorne4655
      @scottandrewhorne4655 Рік тому

      God Bless You Amen xxxxxxx And God Bless Your Earthly Life Time And Earthly Family Amen xxxxxxx

    • @ahmedbassiouny8456
      @ahmedbassiouny8456 Рік тому +1

      We need more good women like you

  • @ahmedbassiouny8456
    @ahmedbassiouny8456 2 роки тому +25

    My favorite S club member, and after watching this I even have more respect for him

  • @lr3521
    @lr3521 Рік тому +22

    Poor guy, it’s tragic. It almost as if he was too nice for this world

  • @TheOriginalFoxtrotCharlie
    @TheOriginalFoxtrotCharlie 4 роки тому +39

    I would have known him instantly .. but I would have totally liked him even if he hadn't been in SClub .. he seems very sweet and interesting ❤ aw

  • @bettyboop5177
    @bettyboop5177 Рік тому +8

    His eyes are filled with so many secrets and pain. I hope your free now Paul, Fly High baby 💖💞🙏🏻

    • @janeslater8004
      @janeslater8004 Рік тому

      What secrets. His death seems quite mysterious. Brian harvey was saying there was something not right about it

  • @Amberryxplayzxroblox
    @Amberryxplayzxroblox Рік тому +15

    Hope he's at peace now what a sweetheart ❤

  • @angeljoyart
    @angeljoyart Рік тому +20

    Rest in Peace and reach for the stars, Paul 💙 Gone too Soon

  • @allanmhanson
    @allanmhanson 4 роки тому +26

    I think Paul should’ve take the acting side of the group as one of the main things. When you are performing on stage as a performed is just that, you are playing a role, and S Club 7 taking the acting part as one of the main numbers he maybe could have take everything as an acting role.
    But being in his shoes should’ve been chaotic I believe.
    They did have great music after all, it changed style in every album but they alway kept the Motown songs as a stable. I actually love their songs and their harmonies. Paul’s song Love Train is Motown heaven. You did great man!!!!! You made our early years special, you did magic!!! Stay proud of you past, embrace your present ♥️

  • @whysoserious9746
    @whysoserious9746 2 роки тому +10

    Didn't even recognise it was Paul at first glance, nice to see he hasn't lost his charm 💯

  • @freddiemeyer4563
    @freddiemeyer4563 Рік тому +9

    its very sad that he died, 46 thats so young to pass away , rest in peace paul

  • @icereed7
    @icereed7 Рік тому +11

    Who here after hearing the sad news? r.i.p.

  • @lcclark8370
    @lcclark8370 Рік тому +9

    wowI did not realise what a down to earth, sweet gentleman he was ....🥲🥲🥲im 5 years younger than Paul and I loved s club 7 in my teens, rest well sweet Paul. thank you for your service xxx

  • @crazy4beatles
    @crazy4beatles 2 роки тому +18

    I would have made the same face of shock. I had a massive crush on him and loved their music. And I grew up in Mexico. They were very famous there at the time.

  • @katjaxxx7353
    @katjaxxx7353 Рік тому +3

    Paul you have been always a great singer & dancer. R.I.P. you will never be forgotten 🖤🖤💔💔

  • @unknownwords3121
    @unknownwords3121 2 роки тому +7

    I loved S club 7 when I was in middle school. I used to watch the show religiously! I was so excited to buy the CDs every time they came out! I loved Paul! He was so handsome and still is. I wish him well in love and his life!! I hope he finds someone!!❤️

  • @R.W.S.
    @R.W.S. Рік тому +12

    I can tell Paul is a right genuine, down to earth bloke. Not just because that's how he comes across anyway, but he actually had the balls to walk away from the industry as soon as he felt like too many liberties were being taken. Not many artists that do, most of them just bite their lip and take the money.

    • @o-o-o-ozempic
      @o-o-o-ozempic Рік тому

      I love that you think he had a choice in the matter.

    • @R.W.S.
      @R.W.S. Рік тому +3

      @@o-o-o-ozempic They always have a choice. Either stay silent and take the money or don't.

    • @o-o-o-ozempic
      @o-o-o-ozempic Рік тому +1

      @@R.W.S. You've misunderstood the intention behind what I've said. He had no choice in the matter because that band would have been over anyways. The public moved on from him, it wasn't the other way around.
      You're acting as if the band would still be some huge success today. They wouldn't. They'd be exactly what they are now...a washed up group that is only looked at fondly because the people looking back were 13 at the time they loved the group.

    • @R.W.S.
      @R.W.S. Рік тому +2

      @@o-o-o-ozempic Yeah but he left when they were on cloud nine, and he couldn't of known for sure what would become of them, he just wanted out because he didn't like what the industry was doing to him, so he walked instead of sticking around for potential pay cheques - that's my point.

    • @o-o-o-ozempic
      @o-o-o-ozempic Рік тому +1

      @@R.W.S. ...except he's desperate to get back into that industry which is arguably more predatory than it was back then instead of getting a regular job because he wants what? That's right, the potential paychecks.
      He's doing exactly what you're patting him on the back for not doing, so...

  • @juniourst3ven596
    @juniourst3ven596 Рік тому +7

    That look on Paul's date's face at 2:10 is PRICELESS!!

  • @neonnknightt7246
    @neonnknightt7246 Рік тому +11

    That’s so neat to hear after all these years why he actually left!

  • @CraigWoodBN1
    @CraigWoodBN1 Рік тому +8

    Rest in Peace, Paul. U were a sweet guy.

  • @Awakened_Angel
    @Awakened_Angel Рік тому +6

    Fly high Paul 🌹
    😔
    You’re in the arms of the angels now. I pray you find some comfort there.
    🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻

  • @Steevenlight75
    @Steevenlight75 3 роки тому +20

    You know, let me tell you something, Paul is obviously a nice person. Paul if you ever see this I hope you will find love. You were one of my three fav in the band. Bradley, Paul and Tina).

  • @sweetanila26
    @sweetanila26 4 роки тому +16

    Omg he looks so different now. I didn’t recognize him. I was a big S club 7 fan back in the day

  • @emg79
    @emg79 Рік тому +5

    He was just adorable and so well spoken and polite what a shame xxxx

  • @MasterControl-MCP
    @MasterControl-MCP Рік тому +8

    Just heard this poor Guy has passed, terribly sad, I hope he’s at peace now 🙏

  • @jakebanevicius
    @jakebanevicius Рік тому +11

    Rest easy, Paul.

  • @HelenDiazOfficial
    @HelenDiazOfficial 3 роки тому +23

    He seems like such a lovely man with regrets and pain from the past (haven't we all) I wish you every happiness Paul x

  • @ASHSID
    @ASHSID 4 роки тому +13

    He is so nice and wise

  • @timsteer3904
    @timsteer3904 Рік тому +5

    RIP. Such a nice guy and many great S club memories

  • @solent7430
    @solent7430 Рік тому +7

    If only Paul had been better supported by the music industry. Many people made money off SClub7, except the actual band. RIP to a lovely guy

  • @stepheniestacey4380
    @stepheniestacey4380 Рік тому +6

    What a lovely endearing personality paul has maybe he was too much of a nice person in this dog eat dog world xxxx

  • @adamrj7286
    @adamrj7286 Рік тому +12

    so sad watching this now, knowing he's no longer with us.. RIP Paul...

  • @5516724
    @5516724 4 роки тому +35

    He's actually really nice , I'd date him 😊

  • @lizprice2742
    @lizprice2742 Рік тому +7

    Rest in peace. Clearly he was a very nice guy x

  • @FrankieJayUK
    @FrankieJayUK 4 роки тому +18

    I would happily date Paul! He was my favourite

  • @patrickstocks3576
    @patrickstocks3576 Рік тому +6

    RIP Paul Cattermole 👼🏽✝️🙏🥲🕊😇

  • @madlittleminx92
    @madlittleminx92 5 років тому +14

    I was OBSESSED with Sclub7 :D nice to see paul getting back on track!

  • @melissawright1979
    @melissawright1979 Рік тому +10

    Here after hearing the horrible news that he passed away. I'm shocked! 😢

  • @harryl9yearsago788
    @harryl9yearsago788 Рік тому +9

    RIP Paul reach for the stars fella 🌟

  • @simongreen3646
    @simongreen3646 Рік тому +5

    Rest in Peace Paul. My sister adored you all. So long ago. And now I hear today you are gone forever. Very sad, just as Sclub7 was planning to return for a tour.

  • @Zlervo
    @Zlervo Рік тому +4

    RIP Paul. You were such a genuine guy.

  • @olliviermae
    @olliviermae 5 років тому +19

    PAAAAUUUUULLLLLLLL
    You're an absolute doll.

  • @lionlegal2018
    @lionlegal2018 Рік тому +5

    Such a sad story. This dude must have been depressed when his career ended.

  • @superapple6186
    @superapple6186 Рік тому +5

    Dammit. RIP Paul. I thought of him on First Dates the minute I heard the news today.

  • @oranjelibertine
    @oranjelibertine Рік тому +9

    Sigh RIP just heard the news. Poor guy I thought things might have been getting better for him

  • @subzfit
    @subzfit 5 років тому +122

    S Club 7?? They were fire in the late 90s to early 2000s. Damn Paul aged. Glad he's getting his life back on track. I heard he had financial woes
    Edit: RIP Paul Cattermole. I hope he’s at peace now

    • @NibberKSmooth
      @NibberKSmooth 5 років тому +7

      Yeah, he looked at his first wage slip and went whoa!!!!

    • @danielmurphy422
      @danielmurphy422 3 роки тому

      :/ check his channel

    • @ponyboycurtis9345
      @ponyboycurtis9345 Рік тому

      @@danielmurphy422 check the news

    • @RataStuey
      @RataStuey Рік тому +2

      Have you aged?

    • @YOUTUBE_IS_WOKE
      @YOUTUBE_IS_WOKE Рік тому

      If you're not aging, you're an alien, or something made by the devil...

  • @MrSlingshotdubai
    @MrSlingshotdubai Рік тому +3

    RIP Paul.... An Honourable Man...

  • @justmadeit2
    @justmadeit2 Рік тому +4

    Nice guy and I agree, finding true love is worth more than fame, a job or anything else, it’s difficult to find and worth more than diamonds.

  • @victornorthhead9976
    @victornorthhead9976 Рік тому +6

    RIP Paul 😢. You will be missed

  • @LeonardSkinnard
    @LeonardSkinnard 4 роки тому +7

    S Club 7? Never thought I'd hear that phrase again. I definitely remember their songs from the early 2000s

  • @TomJeffries1
    @TomJeffries1 4 роки тому +32

    He had to tell the Bartender and his date that he was in S Club 7. They probably cut out the part where he said “No that was Jon. I was the other one.... Not that one!!”

    • @aussieapril
      @aussieapril Рік тому +2

      That's only because unfortunately he hasn't aged very well. In their heyday Paul was more popular than Jon!

    • @alisonscott3035
      @alisonscott3035 Рік тому +2

      still attractive, just a weight thing

  • @allinaprice1619
    @allinaprice1619 Рік тому +6

    Watching this today, rest in peace Paul 🙏

  • @RuPaulCharley
    @RuPaulCharley Рік тому +5

    Crazy just 3 years after filming this he would be gone. Life is so insane. May he rest is peace.

  • @alinocencio1798
    @alinocencio1798 3 роки тому +6

    For me Paul was the most handsome guy in s club 7.. im sure many would agree too.. i hope life will treat him well and may he go back in the gym and start rebuilding his self

  • @lance11zenithoftheparamoun78
    @lance11zenithoftheparamoun78 5 років тому +10

    Hi Paul.
    Great job with the S Club 7 and You still to this day are absolutely brilliant.
    Take care.
    From, Lance 11.

  • @brendandax
    @brendandax Рік тому +6

    Today's news makes me sad. He seemed like a gentle soul. RIP

  • @Mo-gg8ts
    @Mo-gg8ts 5 років тому +26

    Hold on to what you’re tryna be
    Your individuality

  • @lahtal1
    @lahtal1 Рік тому +2

    Remember watching this he came across as such a nice guy. RIP ❤💓

  • @n3po514
    @n3po514 Рік тому +5

    R.I.P Paul! Seemed like a stand up guy! You will be missed by many! 😢

  • @albafaria8177
    @albafaria8177 4 роки тому +13

    I was madly in love with him when i was 10, i´m 29 now and i ´still love him

    • @abc0530
      @abc0530 4 роки тому +3

      He is bankrupt. So I guess you wouldn't date him.

    • @albafaria8177
      @albafaria8177 4 роки тому +1

      @@abc0530 Hahahaha you have a good point.

    • @abc0530
      @abc0530 4 роки тому +6

      @@albafaria8177 you are not wifey material.

    • @albafaria8177
      @albafaria8177 4 роки тому +2

      @@abc0530 Hahahahaha

    • @abc0530
      @abc0530 4 роки тому +4

      @@albafaria8177 what's so funny?

  • @stepheniestacey4380
    @stepheniestacey4380 Рік тому +4

    I meant to say I would have gone on a date with Paul he was lovely the man of my dreamsxxxx❤❤❤❤

  • @WendyPhillips-sd3gl
    @WendyPhillips-sd3gl Рік тому +4

    Rest in Paradise Paul. God bless you 😥

  • @NibberKSmooth
    @NibberKSmooth 5 років тому +11

    Seems like a nice guy, good for you mate.

  • @mohammadal-drees3106
    @mohammadal-drees3106 4 роки тому +10

    I used to dance to their songs in the clubs back in the day! 😅

  • @Mazgoyoutube
    @Mazgoyoutube 3 роки тому +4

    S Club 7 was my entire childhood. My childhood ended when they did.

  • @iwaqas5438
    @iwaqas5438 Рік тому +6

    R.I.P Paul 😢

  • @handroalee
    @handroalee Рік тому +3

    My forever crush. May he rest in peace 💔😥

  • @neilorr9685
    @neilorr9685 Рік тому +5

    R I P Paul 🙏🌹My thoughts go out to his family Friends and Former band mates for there sad loss

  • @arturocas90
    @arturocas90 Рік тому +3

    Oh Paul 😥 I’m still in disbelief of his passing. He was too young 🥺

  • @lauraintheskywithdiamonds9185
    @lauraintheskywithdiamonds9185 3 роки тому +8

    Bless him he seems like he has a fantastic personality

  • @Sandrap1
    @Sandrap1 Рік тому +3

    RIP Paul ❤such a handsome man

  • @whitecross_fc
    @whitecross_fc Рік тому +3

    All he wanted was true love and life took him away before he had a chance to properly find that :(

  • @nightsky3981
    @nightsky3981 5 років тому +6

    I think he is very sweet and handsome.

  • @sirjaya2534
    @sirjaya2534 4 роки тому +5

    You were a babe magnet because you were in shape back then!

  • @TheCory42
    @TheCory42 Рік тому +5

    RIP beautiful soul

  • @lorrainegilbert7886
    @lorrainegilbert7886 Рік тому +3

    R.i.p.paul u will be missed 😢

  • @Dejnyt
    @Dejnyt 4 роки тому +14

    Paul is still a babe ❤

  • @adrienne5080
    @adrienne5080 Рік тому +5

    What a lovely guy!!!❤ RIP

  • @thelammacus
    @thelammacus Рік тому +5

    Rest in peace dude!

  • @ron_gaming_adventure
    @ron_gaming_adventure 3 роки тому +14

    I cannot wait for the S-Club reunion and hopefully they make more music again.

    • @absolutnadia
      @absolutnadia Рік тому +1

      Sadly that’s not gonna happen without him 😢 rip paul

    • @YOUTUBE_IS_WOKE
      @YOUTUBE_IS_WOKE Рік тому +2

      @@absolutnadia It's gonna happen, a tribute reunion...

    • @absolutnadia
      @absolutnadia Рік тому

      @@UA-cam_IS_WOKE it wasn’t a tribute before his death , I meant him performing with hem